I can understand moving to a three up and down system, however the playoffs generate more money for the league, give it a buzz and help keep the league exciting till the end.
Without the playoffs you have a huge bunch of teams who would hit ‘season over’ way quicker than without them.
Why would a team in 7th give a crap about their last few games if they have no chance of getting into 3rd.
With the play offs you have a bunch of teams who are 7th downward scraping for every point they can in order to scrape into 6th.
Remove the playoffs and you remove that and the league is duller as a result
I think they keep the regular league season way more interesting with teams having something to play for. Also as an event themselves I find them a really good watch.
"it'd stop football from getting into the situation it now finds itself in again!.."
I also don't get the above quote?
Relegation is three down bit promotion is two up and playoffs. Can't believe they didn't think of a relegation play off with all the money it could spin.
Nah it would kill the season without them.
And don’t you worry, there will be rules in place if this happens again
Winning The Play Offs is more exciting and more lucrative than being crowned Champions. It's just utter heartbreak if you blow it! In 3 seasons we went through it all.
The playoffs are designed to give a lot of teams something to play for all season. Villa were 13th in March for example. Id like to see a change in the format that would allow 3rd to go straight into the final. 4th play 7th in a single game, 5th play 6th also. Winners go head to head in a 2 legged tie, winner plays 3rd at Wembley.
3rd get a clear advantage and 7th and 6th have to get through a couple of rounds before having to beat 3rd thus actually deserving promotion if won.
comment by Shaun M - All sick aren't we! (U9955)
posted 5 minutes ago
The playoffs are designed to give a lot of teams something to play for all season. Villa were 13th in March for example. Id like to see a change in the format that would allow 3rd to go straight into the final. 4th play 7th in a single game, 5th play 6th also. Winners go head to head in a 2 legged tie, winner plays 3rd at Wembley.
3rd get a clear advantage and 7th and 6th have to get through a couple of rounds before having to beat 3rd thus actually deserving promotion if won.
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National League do something similar now (bear in mind only 1 team goes up automatically). 4th v 7th and 5th v 6th in the 1/4's. Winners then go though to face 2nd and 3rd in the Semi's.
I prefer the drama of the 2 legged ties though.
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
Relegation is three down bit promotion is two up and playoffs. Can't believe they didn't think of a relegation play off with all the money it could spin.
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There was a relegation/promotion playoff back in the 80s. Team 4th bottom in the first division was part of the second division promotion playoff.
Chelsea were relegated that way.
Would be a gntastic football bonanza. Many European countries still have relegations play offs.
Relegation playoffs wouldn't work here. There's too much disparity between the PL clubs and EFL clubs as it is.
150m spending Villa Vs Preston North End. There's always going to be a huge advantage, and 90% of rounds would be won by PL clubs.
comment by Lubo - Super Cooper! (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
Relegation playoffs wouldn't work here. There's too much disparity between the PL clubs and EFL clubs as it is.
150m spending Villa Vs Preston North End. There's always going to be a huge advantage, and 90% of rounds would be won by PL clubs.
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You're right but just to point out relegation play offs would be between the bottom 6. Bottom two going down straight and next four in playoffs. Wouldn't work in England unless it had always been there.
Would it be better to end the crap play off system and revert back to the straight 3 up 3 down thing?..
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Yes definitely - always hated the playoffs - makes a complete mockery of a 40 odd game season - it’s just another money making, unfair, unethical, corrupt set up
3 up and 3 down, no arguments - totally fair and no room for the unjust situations taking a W that have done in previous seasons
I mean, how can anyone justify a team finishing 6th and 20 odd points behind a team finishing 3rd, and yet beating them in a one off lottery playoff - totally unjustified and wrong 👍🏼
It’s really isn’t.
The rules are set at the beginning of the season. Everyone knows them and they are fair.
Our season would have been over by end of jan, most seasons.
Crowds would drop in every league
How people can not see this, is beyond me
Without play off the value of the tv rights drops massively.
The play off games will bring in the most advertising revenue for the broadcasters. And the play offs also increase the revenue in the second half of the season for regular fixtures by ensuring that they mean something.
Like it or not, all clubs in the football league suffer without play offs because without them the product isn’t as valuable.
That’s the point, it’s run and governed by money
Not fairness, or ability over a whole season, but money
It’s corrupt - and there’s no way of justifying its fairness
That fact that everyone knows that at the start of the season doesn’t somehow make it ethically right
A football season should be governed on ability not finances
If the playoffs are so ‘right and necessary’ why not include the top 2 in then playoffs also - could you imagine the outcry if that were to happen and the team in 6th beat the team finishing top
It’s exactly the same scenario, how can a team finishing 4th, 5th or 6th justify going up above a team that finishes fairly above them
It’s just plain wrong
I think you need to look up the definition of corrupt.
Also, do you think that if clubs were given a vote...
Option a) scrap the play offs and all prize money will be reduced by X%
Option b) keep the play offs and keep the prize money.
They will be voting for option a?
Just cos it makes sense from a financial point of view - it died to make it right
Why should a team that isn’t as good and another over the course of a whole season be promoted above a team that they finished well below of? How can that be justifiable?
The only argument anyone can make is purely to do with finances - end of
Finances and entertainment.
But at the end of the day the games sole purpose is entertainment.
I get that you would prefer to see the top 3 go up and your reasons for that.
But that doesn’t make play offs corrupt.
It also doesn’t make it plain wrong.
It’s just another factor of football that has pros and cons. Like just about everything in the real world.
I would keep them but make sure that 3rd place gets some sort of advantage over the others. Maybe let 5th play 6 home and away. Winner plays 4th home and away. Winner of that plays 3rd in the final.
I've always been against play off's and find it unfair to 3rd!..
They are the team that has worked as hard as 1&2 but its like being punishment for doing so!..
As for clubs/teams thinking the play off's are their aim from the start of season, it'd be better when they know only the top 3 gets you promoted therefore letting everybody know there's only 3 places to play for!..
It gives less to play for and more to fight for!..
comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
posted 21 hours, 42 minutes ago
That’s the point, it’s run and governed by money
Not fairness, or ability over a whole season, but money
It’s corrupt - and there’s no way of justifying its fairness
That fact that everyone knows that at the start of the season doesn’t somehow make it ethically right
A football season should be governed on ability not finances
If the playoffs are so ‘right and necessary’ why not include the top 2 in then playoffs also - could you imagine the outcry if that were to happen and the team in 6th beat the team finishing top
It’s exactly the same scenario, how can a team finishing 4th, 5th or 6th justify going up above a team that finishes fairly above them
It’s just plain wrong
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There is nothing unethical about it at all.
What you fail to understand is that the Championship and the championship play offs are separate competitions, in the same way that the Championship and the Premiership are separate each other and how they in turn are separate from the Europa and Champions League.
If you finish in the top two, you win qualification to the Premiership, if you finish between 3rd and 6th you qualify for an entirely separate competition.
The value of winning that separate competition however is of the same value as a top two finish.
According to your logic the Europa League is unethical, as the winner of that is awarded a chance to enter a higher competition... in fact by your logic all competitions you qualify for but then lead to another competition are unethical.
If you work on a ranking system its easy to see.
The Championship has a value of 1
Finishing in the top 4 of the premiership has a value of 1
The Europa League has a value of 2
Finishing 5th or 6th in the Premiership has value of 2
Winning the FA and League Cup also has a value of value of 2
Winning the Europa League has a value of 1 and thus you qualify for the champions League
so,
the Premiership has a value of 1
First and second place in the Championship have a value of 1
The Playoffs have a value of 2
3rd - 6th Place have a value of 2
Winning the playoffs has a value of 1 and thus you qualify for the premiership.
*champions league not championship
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posted on 9/5/20
I can understand moving to a three up and down system, however the playoffs generate more money for the league, give it a buzz and help keep the league exciting till the end.
Without the playoffs you have a huge bunch of teams who would hit ‘season over’ way quicker than without them.
Why would a team in 7th give a crap about their last few games if they have no chance of getting into 3rd.
With the play offs you have a bunch of teams who are 7th downward scraping for every point they can in order to scrape into 6th.
Remove the playoffs and you remove that and the league is duller as a result
posted on 9/5/20
I think they keep the regular league season way more interesting with teams having something to play for. Also as an event themselves I find them a really good watch.
"it'd stop football from getting into the situation it now finds itself in again!.."
I also don't get the above quote?
posted on 9/5/20
Relegation is three down bit promotion is two up and playoffs. Can't believe they didn't think of a relegation play off with all the money it could spin.
posted on 9/5/20
Nah it would kill the season without them.
And don’t you worry, there will be rules in place if this happens again
posted on 9/5/20
Winning The Play Offs is more exciting and more lucrative than being crowned Champions. It's just utter heartbreak if you blow it! In 3 seasons we went through it all.
posted on 9/5/20
The playoffs are designed to give a lot of teams something to play for all season. Villa were 13th in March for example. Id like to see a change in the format that would allow 3rd to go straight into the final. 4th play 7th in a single game, 5th play 6th also. Winners go head to head in a 2 legged tie, winner plays 3rd at Wembley.
3rd get a clear advantage and 7th and 6th have to get through a couple of rounds before having to beat 3rd thus actually deserving promotion if won.
posted on 9/5/20
comment by Shaun M - All sick aren't we! (U9955)
posted 5 minutes ago
The playoffs are designed to give a lot of teams something to play for all season. Villa were 13th in March for example. Id like to see a change in the format that would allow 3rd to go straight into the final. 4th play 7th in a single game, 5th play 6th also. Winners go head to head in a 2 legged tie, winner plays 3rd at Wembley.
3rd get a clear advantage and 7th and 6th have to get through a couple of rounds before having to beat 3rd thus actually deserving promotion if won.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
National League do something similar now (bear in mind only 1 team goes up automatically). 4th v 7th and 5th v 6th in the 1/4's. Winners then go though to face 2nd and 3rd in the Semi's.
I prefer the drama of the 2 legged ties though.
posted on 9/5/20
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
Relegation is three down bit promotion is two up and playoffs. Can't believe they didn't think of a relegation play off with all the money it could spin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There was a relegation/promotion playoff back in the 80s. Team 4th bottom in the first division was part of the second division promotion playoff.
Chelsea were relegated that way.
posted on 10/5/20
Would be a gntastic football bonanza. Many European countries still have relegations play offs.
posted on 10/5/20
*fantastic
posted on 10/5/20
Relegation playoffs wouldn't work here. There's too much disparity between the PL clubs and EFL clubs as it is.
150m spending Villa Vs Preston North End. There's always going to be a huge advantage, and 90% of rounds would be won by PL clubs.
posted on 10/5/20
comment by Lubo - Super Cooper! (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
Relegation playoffs wouldn't work here. There's too much disparity between the PL clubs and EFL clubs as it is.
150m spending Villa Vs Preston North End. There's always going to be a huge advantage, and 90% of rounds would be won by PL clubs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're right but just to point out relegation play offs would be between the bottom 6. Bottom two going down straight and next four in playoffs. Wouldn't work in England unless it had always been there.
posted on 10/5/20
Would it be better to end the crap play off system and revert back to the straight 3 up 3 down thing?..
=================
Yes definitely - always hated the playoffs - makes a complete mockery of a 40 odd game season - it’s just another money making, unfair, unethical, corrupt set up
3 up and 3 down, no arguments - totally fair and no room for the unjust situations taking a W that have done in previous seasons
I mean, how can anyone justify a team finishing 6th and 20 odd points behind a team finishing 3rd, and yet beating them in a one off lottery playoff - totally unjustified and wrong 👍🏼
posted on 10/5/20
It’s really isn’t.
The rules are set at the beginning of the season. Everyone knows them and they are fair.
Our season would have been over by end of jan, most seasons.
Crowds would drop in every league
How people can not see this, is beyond me
posted on 10/5/20
Without play off the value of the tv rights drops massively.
The play off games will bring in the most advertising revenue for the broadcasters. And the play offs also increase the revenue in the second half of the season for regular fixtures by ensuring that they mean something.
Like it or not, all clubs in the football league suffer without play offs because without them the product isn’t as valuable.
posted on 10/5/20
That’s the point, it’s run and governed by money
Not fairness, or ability over a whole season, but money
It’s corrupt - and there’s no way of justifying its fairness
That fact that everyone knows that at the start of the season doesn’t somehow make it ethically right
A football season should be governed on ability not finances
If the playoffs are so ‘right and necessary’ why not include the top 2 in then playoffs also - could you imagine the outcry if that were to happen and the team in 6th beat the team finishing top
It’s exactly the same scenario, how can a team finishing 4th, 5th or 6th justify going up above a team that finishes fairly above them
It’s just plain wrong
posted on 10/5/20
I think you need to look up the definition of corrupt.
Also, do you think that if clubs were given a vote...
Option a) scrap the play offs and all prize money will be reduced by X%
Option b) keep the play offs and keep the prize money.
They will be voting for option a?
posted on 10/5/20
Just cos it makes sense from a financial point of view - it died to make it right
Why should a team that isn’t as good and another over the course of a whole season be promoted above a team that they finished well below of? How can that be justifiable?
The only argument anyone can make is purely to do with finances - end of
posted on 10/5/20
Finances and entertainment.
But at the end of the day the games sole purpose is entertainment.
I get that you would prefer to see the top 3 go up and your reasons for that.
But that doesn’t make play offs corrupt.
It also doesn’t make it plain wrong.
It’s just another factor of football that has pros and cons. Like just about everything in the real world.
posted on 10/5/20
I would keep them but make sure that 3rd place gets some sort of advantage over the others. Maybe let 5th play 6 home and away. Winner plays 4th home and away. Winner of that plays 3rd in the final.
posted on 10/5/20
I've always been against play off's and find it unfair to 3rd!..
They are the team that has worked as hard as 1&2 but its like being punishment for doing so!..
As for clubs/teams thinking the play off's are their aim from the start of season, it'd be better when they know only the top 3 gets you promoted therefore letting everybody know there's only 3 places to play for!..
It gives less to play for and more to fight for!..
posted on 11/5/20
comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
posted 21 hours, 42 minutes ago
That’s the point, it’s run and governed by money
Not fairness, or ability over a whole season, but money
It’s corrupt - and there’s no way of justifying its fairness
That fact that everyone knows that at the start of the season doesn’t somehow make it ethically right
A football season should be governed on ability not finances
If the playoffs are so ‘right and necessary’ why not include the top 2 in then playoffs also - could you imagine the outcry if that were to happen and the team in 6th beat the team finishing top
It’s exactly the same scenario, how can a team finishing 4th, 5th or 6th justify going up above a team that finishes fairly above them
It’s just plain wrong
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is nothing unethical about it at all.
What you fail to understand is that the Championship and the championship play offs are separate competitions, in the same way that the Championship and the Premiership are separate each other and how they in turn are separate from the Europa and Champions League.
If you finish in the top two, you win qualification to the Premiership, if you finish between 3rd and 6th you qualify for an entirely separate competition.
The value of winning that separate competition however is of the same value as a top two finish.
According to your logic the Europa League is unethical, as the winner of that is awarded a chance to enter a higher competition... in fact by your logic all competitions you qualify for but then lead to another competition are unethical.
If you work on a ranking system its easy to see.
The Championship has a value of 1
Finishing in the top 4 of the premiership has a value of 1
The Europa League has a value of 2
Finishing 5th or 6th in the Premiership has value of 2
Winning the FA and League Cup also has a value of value of 2
Winning the Europa League has a value of 1 and thus you qualify for the champions League
so,
the Premiership has a value of 1
First and second place in the Championship have a value of 1
The Playoffs have a value of 2
3rd - 6th Place have a value of 2
Winning the playoffs has a value of 1 and thus you qualify for the premiership.
posted on 11/5/20
*champions league not championship
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