Ok
Name some black managers you'd;
1. Like to see in management
2. Think would do well in management
comment by Shaun M - All sick aren't we! (U9955)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ok
Name some black managers you'd;
1. Like to see in management
2. Think would do well in management
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The whole point is there aren't many and you need to ask yourself why that is.
One factor is the preference for European managers, as that's where the best come from. Obviously most Europeans are white, but this hasn't stopped Nuno getting hired by Wolves.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 hours, 42 minutes ago
OP - with respect, you need to stop thinking about this as blatant racism and start thinking about the subtleties of the issue.
I don't think anyone is saying that a club would sack someone just because they're black.
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The issue is whether many clubs would or could actually employ a black manager...let alone sack them
Where are these people...?
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That really isn't the issue.
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yes it is...there aren't any good black managers..unless you can list me five that are currently unemployed & could do a job in the top flight
lets say compare them to the likes of Bruce Pardew Hughes...etc
Not the level of Jose Pep Klopp...as that is a stretch
Winston...your homework is stacking up here son
crack on...
Try reading my posts in this thread and seeing if you can work out why your question entirely misses the point.
Saw a stat saying that black people make up 15% of the countries population, yet 40% of premier league players are black.
I think Man-city should go for a black or Asian manager next time. am sure Raheem will all be for that..
Seriously though, I do agree I think more black players should be given a chance at jobs.
comment by Shaun M - All sick aren't we! (U9955)
posted 6 minutes ago
Saw a stat saying that black people make up 15% of the countries population, yet 40% of premier league players are black.
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Im not sure what your point is but only 30% of Prem footballers are English.
You voted for Brexit Im guessing.
comment by Shaun M - All sick aren't we! (U9955)
posted 14 minutes ago
Saw a stat saying that black people make up 15% of the countries population, yet 40% of premier league players are black.
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That's not correct. It's about 4%, and the asian population is double that.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 minutes ago
Try reading my posts in this thread and seeing if you can work out why your question entirely misses the point.
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Try answering the question two people have asked you based on the OP....instead of sitting behind your own point...the relevance of which we've yet to establish
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 minutes ago
Try reading my posts in this thread and seeing if you can work out why your question entirely misses the point.
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Try answering the question two people have asked you based on the OP....instead of sitting behind your own point...the relevance of which we've yet to establish
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If you can’t understand the point I’ve made, which is absolutely relevant to the OP, then that really is your issue.
I’m not the only one making it and I’m not going to waste time trying to explain something that you clearly have no interest in actually listening to and learning from.
Have a nice evening.
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 9 hours, 20 minutes ago
We should be pushing heavily for gay and Asian coaches as well, we need exact equal numbers comparative to the population
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We need the best people in the best jobs simple as that irrespective
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 minutes ago
Try reading my posts in this thread and seeing if you can work out why your question entirely misses the point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Try answering the question two people have asked you based on the OP....instead of sitting behind your own point...the relevance of which we've yet to establish
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you can’t understand the point I’ve made, which is absolutely relevant to the OP, then that really is your issue.
I’m not the only one making it and I’m not going to waste time trying to explain something that you clearly have no interest in actually listening to and learning from.
Have a nice evening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Winston if you don't know the answer just say
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s depressing some people don’t get that.
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s depressing some people don’t get that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can understand why people think that way.
But there’s a simple journey to realising why it’s flawed.
If you accept that skin colour has no link to potential football management ability, and if you accept that the current ratio of black people in these roles is under represented, then you are left with the question as to why that is.
In some ways the answer is complex and the solutions can of course be debated, but market forces - leaving things to sort themselves out - is clearly not working, so anyone with half a brain, and no genuine prejudice, should stop and consider what solutions may work and what may not.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So...What would you do to let's say ensure a gay person got a fair shot at a prem managers job then...?
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So...What would you do to let's say ensure a gay person got a fair shot at a prem managers job then...?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If indeed you even should
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s depressing some people don’t get that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair it took me years to get it as I had the same opinion for years when this topic came up.
For me the realisation came when I accepted that this can of course mean that sometimes the best person doesnt always get the chance but in the long run and for the greater good, this has the potential to create a much better balance.
The Rooney rule for example only means you have to interview, so the person still has to impress at that stage, meaning the chairman or whoever is hiring, has in fact hired the person they believe best for the job.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s depressing some people don’t get that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can understand why people think that way.
But there’s a simple journey to realising why it’s flawed.
If you accept that skin colour has no link to potential football management ability, and if you accept that the current ratio of black people in these roles is under represented, then you are left with the question as to why that is.
In some ways the answer is complex and the solutions can of course be debated, but market forces - leaving things to sort themselves out - is clearly not working, so anyone with half a brain, and no genuine prejudice, should stop and consider what solutions may work and what may not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So...what's the answer
Respect to you, TOOR, for learning about the subject and changing your mind.
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s depressing some people don’t get that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can understand why people think that way.
But there’s a simple journey to realising why it’s flawed.
If you accept that skin colour has no link to potential football management ability, and if you accept that the current ratio of black people in these roles is under represented, then you are left with the question as to why that is.
In some ways the answer is complex and the solutions can of course be debated, but market forces - leaving things to sort themselves out - is clearly not working, so anyone with half a brain, and no genuine prejudice, should stop and consider what solutions may work and what may not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So...what's the answer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To skew the balance away from the current trajectory, at least initially, therefore forcing a better balance in the hope that in the long run, you don't have to force it but it becomes natural.
I do think we need to acknowledge that there has been progress made on this front. If we don’t, we spitting in the faces of all the people that have fought hard for equality.
Surely there are more black managers now than in the 60s/70s/80s and 90s?
As many have said it’s a long LONG process of change but it comes across sometimes that some people forget that and want instant change when that won’t be possible without putting restrictions and laws into place that end up causing more harm than good.
I think Winstons earlier plans along with Rooney will help continuing the balancing.
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posted on 9/6/20
Ok
Name some black managers you'd;
1. Like to see in management
2. Think would do well in management
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Shaun M - All sick aren't we! (U9955)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ok
Name some black managers you'd;
1. Like to see in management
2. Think would do well in management
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole point is there aren't many and you need to ask yourself why that is.
posted on 9/6/20
One factor is the preference for European managers, as that's where the best come from. Obviously most Europeans are white, but this hasn't stopped Nuno getting hired by Wolves.
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 hours, 42 minutes ago
OP - with respect, you need to stop thinking about this as blatant racism and start thinking about the subtleties of the issue.
I don't think anyone is saying that a club would sack someone just because they're black.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The issue is whether many clubs would or could actually employ a black manager...let alone sack them
Where are these people...?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That really isn't the issue.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yes it is...there aren't any good black managers..unless you can list me five that are currently unemployed & could do a job in the top flight
lets say compare them to the likes of Bruce Pardew Hughes...etc
Not the level of Jose Pep Klopp...as that is a stretch
posted on 9/6/20
Winston...your homework is stacking up here son
crack on...
posted on 9/6/20
Try reading my posts in this thread and seeing if you can work out why your question entirely misses the point.
posted on 9/6/20
Saw a stat saying that black people make up 15% of the countries population, yet 40% of premier league players are black.
posted on 9/6/20
I think Man-city should go for a black or Asian manager next time. am sure Raheem will all be for that..
Seriously though, I do agree I think more black players should be given a chance at jobs.
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Shaun M - All sick aren't we! (U9955)
posted 6 minutes ago
Saw a stat saying that black people make up 15% of the countries population, yet 40% of premier league players are black.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not sure what your point is but only 30% of Prem footballers are English.
You voted for Brexit Im guessing.
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Shaun M - All sick aren't we! (U9955)
posted 14 minutes ago
Saw a stat saying that black people make up 15% of the countries population, yet 40% of premier league players are black.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not correct. It's about 4%, and the asian population is double that.
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 minutes ago
Try reading my posts in this thread and seeing if you can work out why your question entirely misses the point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Try answering the question two people have asked you based on the OP....instead of sitting behind your own point...the relevance of which we've yet to establish
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 minutes ago
Try reading my posts in this thread and seeing if you can work out why your question entirely misses the point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Try answering the question two people have asked you based on the OP....instead of sitting behind your own point...the relevance of which we've yet to establish
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you can’t understand the point I’ve made, which is absolutely relevant to the OP, then that really is your issue.
I’m not the only one making it and I’m not going to waste time trying to explain something that you clearly have no interest in actually listening to and learning from.
Have a nice evening.
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 9 hours, 20 minutes ago
We should be pushing heavily for gay and Asian coaches as well, we need exact equal numbers comparative to the population
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We need the best people in the best jobs simple as that irrespective
posted on 9/6/20
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 32 minutes ago
Try reading my posts in this thread and seeing if you can work out why your question entirely misses the point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Try answering the question two people have asked you based on the OP....instead of sitting behind your own point...the relevance of which we've yet to establish
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you can’t understand the point I’ve made, which is absolutely relevant to the OP, then that really is your issue.
I’m not the only one making it and I’m not going to waste time trying to explain something that you clearly have no interest in actually listening to and learning from.
Have a nice evening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Winston if you don't know the answer just say
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
posted on 9/6/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s depressing some people don’t get that.
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s depressing some people don’t get that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can understand why people think that way.
But there’s a simple journey to realising why it’s flawed.
If you accept that skin colour has no link to potential football management ability, and if you accept that the current ratio of black people in these roles is under represented, then you are left with the question as to why that is.
In some ways the answer is complex and the solutions can of course be debated, but market forces - leaving things to sort themselves out - is clearly not working, so anyone with half a brain, and no genuine prejudice, should stop and consider what solutions may work and what may not.
posted on 9/6/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So...What would you do to let's say ensure a gay person got a fair shot at a prem managers job then...?
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So...What would you do to let's say ensure a gay person got a fair shot at a prem managers job then...?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If indeed you even should
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s depressing some people don’t get that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair it took me years to get it as I had the same opinion for years when this topic came up.
For me the realisation came when I accepted that this can of course mean that sometimes the best person doesnt always get the chance but in the long run and for the greater good, this has the potential to create a much better balance.
The Rooney rule for example only means you have to interview, so the person still has to impress at that stage, meaning the chairman or whoever is hiring, has in fact hired the person they believe best for the job.
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s depressing some people don’t get that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can understand why people think that way.
But there’s a simple journey to realising why it’s flawed.
If you accept that skin colour has no link to potential football management ability, and if you accept that the current ratio of black people in these roles is under represented, then you are left with the question as to why that is.
In some ways the answer is complex and the solutions can of course be debated, but market forces - leaving things to sort themselves out - is clearly not working, so anyone with half a brain, and no genuine prejudice, should stop and consider what solutions may work and what may not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So...what's the answer
posted on 9/6/20
Respect to you, TOOR, for learning about the subject and changing your mind.
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
Pushing for black gay or Asian coaches or in any Walk of Life isn't the answer - that's box-ticking at best...it's the best people for the best jobs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sticking to this stance means you stick to the current situation where stats show there is a misrepresentation. By looking to do something about it, we may actually find, that in future, there are the 'best people for the best jobs' coming from the underrepresented groups also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s depressing some people don’t get that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can understand why people think that way.
But there’s a simple journey to realising why it’s flawed.
If you accept that skin colour has no link to potential football management ability, and if you accept that the current ratio of black people in these roles is under represented, then you are left with the question as to why that is.
In some ways the answer is complex and the solutions can of course be debated, but market forces - leaving things to sort themselves out - is clearly not working, so anyone with half a brain, and no genuine prejudice, should stop and consider what solutions may work and what may not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So...what's the answer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To skew the balance away from the current trajectory, at least initially, therefore forcing a better balance in the hope that in the long run, you don't have to force it but it becomes natural.
posted on 9/6/20
I do think we need to acknowledge that there has been progress made on this front. If we don’t, we spitting in the faces of all the people that have fought hard for equality.
Surely there are more black managers now than in the 60s/70s/80s and 90s?
As many have said it’s a long LONG process of change but it comes across sometimes that some people forget that and want instant change when that won’t be possible without putting restrictions and laws into place that end up causing more harm than good.
I think Winstons earlier plans along with Rooney will help continuing the balancing.
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