Barnes had 8 losses at Celtic in 29 games. They barely lose 8 games in 290 games normally.
He’s right about the no evidence part
Barnes may have a point re lack of opportunities for black mangers but he was sacked for being useless.
At least he's kept his job on Harry's Hero's!
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barnes had 8 losses at Celtic in 29 games. They barely lose 8 games in 290 games normally.
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Different era.
He also mentioned how black managers are described as "black managers" and not as "managers". Its true.
He was rubbish at Celtic though it was his reign that brought us..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVgjIm4WsAEMnEs?format=jpg&name=small
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
His attitude does nothing for the case of black managers though ,does it ?
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
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Absolutely, I heard, I think it was Sterling that made the point about Lampard and Gerrard getting top jobs right away but Sol Campbell gets scraps and has to prove himself.
Often see people point to the fact there is a large proportion of black players but low management. However that is a more recent event and if you consider the average age of a manager there would be significantly less black players in their playing days. I think it's a matter of time before we see notably more.
A lot of subtle racism in here
I have a feeling that Jennifer Aniston wants me, I have no evidence though.
Just a feeling.
comment by Joe-ny Stokes is my da (U15888)
posted 36 seconds ago
A lot of subtle racism in here
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Where?
comment by Great Teams Put Staff On Furlough (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
I have a feeling that Jennifer Aniston wants me, I have no evidence though.
Just a feeling.
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You're wrong!
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
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Absolutely, I heard, I think it was Sterling that made the point about Lampard and Gerrard getting top jobs right away but Sol Campbell gets scraps and has to prove himself.
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I would sooner give Lampard and Gerrard a job over Campbell too. Not because of his race but because they sound a lot more intelligent than he does.
Dwight Yorke, another less than suitable candidate for personality reasons, is another who has voiced a belief it is his skin colour that is the issue.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
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Absolutely, I heard, I think it was Sterling that made the point about Lampard and Gerrard getting top jobs right away but Sol Campbell gets scraps and has to prove himself.
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I would sooner give Lampard and Gerrard a job over Campbell too. Not because of his race but because they sound a lot more intelligent than he does.
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Same with Scholes, who had to start at Oldham. Some people seem cut out to be managers and some don't. Obviously Lampard and Gerrard still need to prove it.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
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Absolutely, I heard, I think it was Sterling that made the point about Lampard and Gerrard getting top jobs right away but Sol Campbell gets scraps and has to prove himself.
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I would sooner give Lampard and Gerrard a job over Campbell too. Not because of his race but because they sound a lot more intelligent than he does.
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Lampard failed at Derby but got Chelsea job.
Gerrard is getting outdone by Neil Lennon in Scotland but is still regarded quite highly.
Did Lampard fail at Derby?
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 43 seconds ago
Did Lampard fail at Derby?
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Yes had a great squad and some of the best loan players available
I think also that when you are job hunting, Charm and personality play a big part as to whether or not, you might get employment.
Just my experience !
A feeling of entitlement in an interview,generally has an adverse effect ,as opposed to a more humble pleasant manner .
Lampard took Derby to the play-off final in his first season. Hardly failure.
comment by *(K̇ash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 43 seconds ago
Did Lampard fail at Derby?
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Yes had a great squad and some of the best loan players available
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Still made it past Leeds and to the play-off final. Not really a failure.
comment by *(K̇ash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely, I heard, I think it was Sterling that made the point about Lampard and Gerrard getting top jobs right away but Sol Campbell gets scraps and has to prove himself.
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I would sooner give Lampard and Gerrard a job over Campbell too. Not because of his race but because they sound a lot more intelligent than he does.
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Lampard failed at Derby but got Chelsea job.
Gerrard is getting outdone by Neil Lennon in Scotland but is still regarded quite highly.
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Quite a difference in budgets.
He's worked wonders in Europe for us but tbh I didn't expect him to catch Celtic. His head to head record against lennon is good though.
Look at Patrick Vieira. Was highly rated working his way through City but then got shipped to the US and is now back in France. Not had the same opportunities as Gerrard, Lampard or Scholes in this country. Even Arteta gets the big job.
Lampard did a decent job at Derby,don't know anyone who thinks otherwise.
comment by *(K̇ash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times B... (U1108)
posted 0 seconds ago
Look at Patrick Vieira. Was highly rated working his way through City but then got shipped to the US and is now back in France. Not had the same opportunities as Gerrard, Lampard or Scholes in this country. Even Arteta gets the big job.
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Not Scholes sorry
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posted on 13/6/20
Barnes had 8 losses at Celtic in 29 games. They barely lose 8 games in 290 games normally.
posted on 13/6/20
He’s right about the no evidence part
posted on 13/6/20
Barnes may have a point re lack of opportunities for black mangers but he was sacked for being useless.
At least he's kept his job on Harry's Hero's!
posted on 13/6/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barnes had 8 losses at Celtic in 29 games. They barely lose 8 games in 290 games normally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Different era.
He also mentioned how black managers are described as "black managers" and not as "managers". Its true.
He was rubbish at Celtic though it was his reign that brought us..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVgjIm4WsAEMnEs?format=jpg&name=small
posted on 13/6/20
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
posted on 13/6/20
His attitude does nothing for the case of black managers though ,does it ?
posted on 13/6/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely, I heard, I think it was Sterling that made the point about Lampard and Gerrard getting top jobs right away but Sol Campbell gets scraps and has to prove himself.
posted on 13/6/20
Often see people point to the fact there is a large proportion of black players but low management. However that is a more recent event and if you consider the average age of a manager there would be significantly less black players in their playing days. I think it's a matter of time before we see notably more.
posted on 13/6/20
A lot of subtle racism in here
posted on 13/6/20
I have a feeling that Jennifer Aniston wants me, I have no evidence though.
Just a feeling.
posted on 13/6/20
comment by Joe-ny Stokes is my da (U15888)
posted 36 seconds ago
A lot of subtle racism in here
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Where?
posted on 13/6/20
comment by Great Teams Put Staff On Furlough (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
I have a feeling that Jennifer Aniston wants me, I have no evidence though.
Just a feeling.
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You're wrong!
posted on 13/6/20
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely, I heard, I think it was Sterling that made the point about Lampard and Gerrard getting top jobs right away but Sol Campbell gets scraps and has to prove himself.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would sooner give Lampard and Gerrard a job over Campbell too. Not because of his race but because they sound a lot more intelligent than he does.
posted on 13/6/20
Dwight Yorke, another less than suitable candidate for personality reasons, is another who has voiced a belief it is his skin colour that is the issue.
posted on 13/6/20
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely, I heard, I think it was Sterling that made the point about Lampard and Gerrard getting top jobs right away but Sol Campbell gets scraps and has to prove himself.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would sooner give Lampard and Gerrard a job over Campbell too. Not because of his race but because they sound a lot more intelligent than he does.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Same with Scholes, who had to start at Oldham. Some people seem cut out to be managers and some don't. Obviously Lampard and Gerrard still need to prove it.
posted on 13/6/20
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely, I heard, I think it was Sterling that made the point about Lampard and Gerrard getting top jobs right away but Sol Campbell gets scraps and has to prove himself.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would sooner give Lampard and Gerrard a job over Campbell too. Not because of his race but because they sound a lot more intelligent than he does.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lampard failed at Derby but got Chelsea job.
Gerrard is getting outdone by Neil Lennon in Scotland but is still regarded quite highly.
posted on 13/6/20
Did Lampard fail at Derby?
posted on 13/6/20
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 43 seconds ago
Did Lampard fail at Derby?
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Yes had a great squad and some of the best loan players available
posted on 13/6/20
I think also that when you are job hunting, Charm and personality play a big part as to whether or not, you might get employment.
Just my experience !
A feeling of entitlement in an interview,generally has an adverse effect ,as opposed to a more humble pleasant manner .
posted on 13/6/20
Lampard took Derby to the play-off final in his first season. Hardly failure.
posted on 13/6/20
comment by *(K̇ash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 43 seconds ago
Did Lampard fail at Derby?
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Yes had a great squad and some of the best loan players available
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Still made it past Leeds and to the play-off final. Not really a failure.
posted on 13/6/20
comment by *(K̇ash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
One problem is the lack of black ex-players moving into management. This is partly due to the feeling they won't get chances. So a bit of a vicious cycle.
There are lots of white managers who do well at lower levels who never get a chance at bigger clubs. It will be the same case for black managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely, I heard, I think it was Sterling that made the point about Lampard and Gerrard getting top jobs right away but Sol Campbell gets scraps and has to prove himself.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would sooner give Lampard and Gerrard a job over Campbell too. Not because of his race but because they sound a lot more intelligent than he does.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lampard failed at Derby but got Chelsea job.
Gerrard is getting outdone by Neil Lennon in Scotland but is still regarded quite highly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Quite a difference in budgets.
He's worked wonders in Europe for us but tbh I didn't expect him to catch Celtic. His head to head record against lennon is good though.
posted on 13/6/20
Look at Patrick Vieira. Was highly rated working his way through City but then got shipped to the US and is now back in France. Not had the same opportunities as Gerrard, Lampard or Scholes in this country. Even Arteta gets the big job.
posted on 13/6/20
Lampard did a decent job at Derby,don't know anyone who thinks otherwise.
posted on 13/6/20
comment by *(K̇ash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times B... (U1108)
posted 0 seconds ago
Look at Patrick Vieira. Was highly rated working his way through City but then got shipped to the US and is now back in France. Not had the same opportunities as Gerrard, Lampard or Scholes in this country. Even Arteta gets the big job.
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Not Scholes sorry
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