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posted on 27/6/20

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 9 minutes ago
Out of the blue?

Oh come on.
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Well yeah, having to play two games in 24 hours on different continents should never have been a possibility.

posted on 27/6/20

So to pull this argument away, how would Liverpool maintain this form for next season, if there won’t be any changes in the squad in terms of high value additions as has been mooted.

posted on 27/6/20

comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 12 minutes ago
“Also, teams prepare for cups every season. Its part of the season.”

Not really sure what that means to be honest. I don’t think any top club has placed as much value on the domestic cups as we have over recent years - and that’s not a slight on the others, we are in a fortunate position where we are able to compete across the board, for others the games are more often inconvenient
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Do you think that will change for future seasons if the wait for the CL continues?
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Not under Guardiola. I’ve never thought it’s harmed
us in the CL much though, we haven’t gone out of that due to fatigue. There’s been a few pl games where due to either CL or a cup game where I don’t think the intensity has been there as much. Part of that is maintaining it for so long as well though. Don’t think it helped that kompany left either though. Not for on the pitch as such, but the leadership off it.

posted on 27/6/20

Agreed re Kompany huge miss, I think he should be brought back to City in a coaching capacity.

posted on 27/6/20

comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 16 minutes ago
So to pull this argument away, how would Liverpool maintain this form for next season, if there won’t be any changes in the squad in terms of high value additions as has been mooted.
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You don’t need any if you can keep your key players fit. It’s been an advantage for you, a pretty settled team with as few a changes as possible. That and you’ve got retaining it as a motivation and a coach that as long as the squad are still bought in, which they will be, won’t let standards or the aggression drop.

The only thing that may harm you is if any one gets swayed by Barca or Real coming in, which I don’t think they will anyway (perhaps for Mane)

posted on 27/6/20

comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 36 minutes ago
“Also, teams prepare for cups every season. Its part of the season.”

Not really sure what that means to be honest. I don’t think any top club has placed as much value on the domestic cups as we have over recent years - and that’s not a slight on the others, we are in a fortunate position where we are able to compete across the board, for others the games are more often inconvenient
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You've answered your own query. If City had a smaller squad with less quality like everyone else then they'd have behaved like everyone else and prioritised.

All teams would love to go for all the available trophies in a season but alas, it is impossible unless you have a large squad with quality on the bench that would be starting games for nearly all the other teams.

So City are the best placed team in the league to deal with fixture issues which they are aware of from the start of the season. No other team is better equipped in that regard and the results have proved this to be the case.

City have that advantage from the start. Liverpool do not, and then add in the additional headache of the CWC to a team that is already stretched, having a smaller squad with less quality in depth than City whose team value is nearly double that of Liverpool.

posted on 27/6/20

I personally cannot wait for the game v city this season.

City are really going to want to set a marker down for next season and we know it.

it could be an absolute ripper.

posted on 27/6/20

Take us as an example, Cancelo was a mistake. We didn’t need cover at right back, Walker is hardly ever injured anyway, it was a very expensive way of giving him competition that would have been spent better on a centre back.

For you guys, you don’t need competition for those positions either. Maybe a centre half to replace Lovren and maybe another someone to cover Salah/Mane would be good but that’s it.

posted on 27/6/20

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also, teams prepare for cups every season. Its part of the season.

What happened with the CWC was out of the blue, unorthodox and in addition to the usual cup fixture issues all teams have to face every season.
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Although they prepare for them, it doesn’t necessarily mean they really commit to winning them.

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Because most teams have to prioritise whereas City do not as much.

posted on 27/6/20

comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 36 minutes ago
“Also, teams prepare for cups every season. Its part of the season.”

Not really sure what that means to be honest. I don’t think any top club has placed as much value on the domestic cups as we have over recent years - and that’s not a slight on the others, we are in a fortunate position where we are able to compete across the board, for others the games are more often inconvenient
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You've answered your own query. If City had a smaller squad with less quality like everyone else then they'd have behaved like everyone else and prioritised.

All teams would love to go for all the available trophies in a season but alas, it is impossible unless you have a large squad with quality on the bench that would be starting games for nearly all the other teams.

So City are the best placed team in the league to deal with fixture issues which they are aware of from the start of the season. No other team is better equipped in that regard and the results have proved this to be the case.

City have that advantage from the start. Liverpool do not, and then add in the additional headache of the CWC to a team that is already stretched, having a smaller squad with less quality in depth than City whose team value is nearly double that of Liverpool.
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That is a myth to be fair though. We haven’t got depth in plenty of areas, particularly with the injuries we’ve had. We had more depth under Mancini than we do now. It’s why Sterling in particular has been ran into the ground this season.

I think you do have depth in plenty of areas.

posted on 27/6/20

comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also, teams prepare for cups every season. Its part of the season.

What happened with the CWC was out of the blue, unorthodox and in addition to the usual cup fixture issues all teams have to face every season.
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Although they prepare for them, it doesn’t necessarily mean they really commit to winning them.

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Because most teams have to prioritise whereas City do not as much.
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No, we deliberately still play stronger sides most of the time and all of the time in latter stages.

posted on 27/6/20

comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 36 minutes ago
“Also, teams prepare for cups every season. Its part of the season.”

Not really sure what that means to be honest. I don’t think any top club has placed as much value on the domestic cups as we have over recent years - and that’s not a slight on the others, we are in a fortunate position where we are able to compete across the board, for others the games are more often inconvenient
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You've answered your own query. If City had a smaller squad with less quality like everyone else then they'd have behaved like everyone else and prioritised.

All teams would love to go for all the available trophies in a season but alas, it is impossible unless you have a large squad with quality on the bench that would be starting games for nearly all the other teams.

So City are the best placed team in the league to deal with fixture issues which they are aware of from the start of the season. No other team is better equipped in that regard and the results have proved this to be the case.

City have that advantage from the start. Liverpool do not, and then add in the additional headache of the CWC to a team that is already stretched, having a smaller squad with less quality in depth than City whose team value is nearly double that of Liverpool.
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That’s not my query tbh. But don’t want this to go off on a tangent

posted on 27/6/20

comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 2 minutes ago
I personally cannot wait for the game v city this season.

City are really going to want to set a marker down for next season and we know it.

it could be an absolute ripper.
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Yep, while Klopp will be drumming it in that this match is a rite of passage for them. Like you say will be a mesmerising game. Intensity all the way.

posted on 27/6/20

comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 9 minutes ago
I personally cannot wait for the game v city this season.

City are really going to want to set a marker down for next season and we know it.

it could be an absolute ripper.
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I don’t think it will be, I think you’ll win because we won’t match your intensity.

posted on 27/6/20

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 36 minutes ago
“Also, teams prepare for cups every season. Its part of the season.”

Not really sure what that means to be honest. I don’t think any top club has placed as much value on the domestic cups as we have over recent years - and that’s not a slight on the others, we are in a fortunate position where we are able to compete across the board, for others the games are more often inconvenient
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You've answered your own query. If City had a smaller squad with less quality like everyone else then they'd have behaved like everyone else and prioritised.

All teams would love to go for all the available trophies in a season but alas, it is impossible unless you have a large squad with quality on the bench that would be starting games for nearly all the other teams.

So City are the best placed team in the league to deal with fixture issues which they are aware of from the start of the season. No other team is better equipped in that regard and the results have proved this to be the case.

City have that advantage from the start. Liverpool do not, and then add in the additional headache of the CWC to a team that is already stretched, having a smaller squad with less quality in depth than City whose team value is nearly double that of Liverpool.
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That is a myth to be fair though. We haven’t got depth in plenty of areas, particularly with the injuries we’ve had. We had more depth under Mancini than we do now. It’s why Sterling in particular has been ran into the ground this season.

I think you do have depth in plenty of areas.

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Naah. Your squad alone cost about a billion and you can't say that isn't the main factor in City being able to pay more attention to cups and field stronger sides than any other team in the league.

Obviously it's a huge advantage and just shows what amazing work Klopp has done to achieve the same level on a fraction of the cost, squad size and quality in depth that City possess.

posted on 27/6/20

Squad cost is a completely different argument though. You’re going to find no argument that Robertson is better than Mendy for a fraction of the cost. Doesn’t change that we didn’t even have Mendy for the best part of two seasons and he’s not the same player we bought though.

Of course I can say it, just go back and look at some of the lineups. There’s quite clearly areas we don’t have decent cover for, particularly with the injuries we’ve had. We’ve got not enough cover at defensive midfield, not enough cover at centre back, which is why we’ve played Fernandinho there, and not enough cover on the wings, particularly as Bernardo has to move centrally to cover for Silva or De Bruyne, both of whom have been injured a fair bit recently.

We’ve got a great 15 or 16. The problem is when a few of them get injured long term, then we play others into the ground.

We’ve had far better depth in previous squads than we do now.

posted on 27/6/20

That’s the risk in buying expensive players. Injuries in football can be only a short sprint or a change in direction away.

I think LFC do some real in-depth due diligence before buying a player to reduce the injury risk. See Fekir for evidence of that and before that, Loic Remy.

If there’s any risk they will just pull out of the deal.

posted on 27/6/20

We used to when we had Marwood doing it, it’s changed a bit I think under Begiristain.

Some things like Mendys ACL is just bad luck though. Think red already mentioned it, but they never really come back the same player afterwards.

posted on 27/6/20

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 15 seconds ago
We used to when we had Marwood doing it, it’s changed a bit I think under Begiristain.

Some things like Mendys ACL is just bad luck though. Think red already mentioned it, but they never really come back the same player afterwards.
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That’s because red has had two ACL injuries one after another..

posted on 27/6/20

Ah! I dislocated my knee and had to have three ops to sort it out so know how it feels!

posted on 27/6/20

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
Ah! I dislocated my knee and had to have three ops to sort it out so know how it feels!
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Did you dislocate the other one first game back?

posted on 27/6/20

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 14 minutes ago
We used to when we had Marwood doing it, it’s changed a bit I think under Begiristain.

Some things like Mendys ACL is just bad luck though. Think red already mentioned it, but they never really come back the same player afterwards.
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Mendy looked a superb player, marauding left back when he first joined, really bad injury and he is back up to Zinchenko.

There have been a few brilliant players that we have been robbed of seeing due to injuries. That would be an interesting article to put up.

posted on 27/6/20

comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 19 minutes ago
That’s the risk in buying expensive players. Injuries in football can be only a short sprint or a change in direction away.

I think LFC do some real in-depth due diligence before buying a player to reduce the injury risk. See Fekir for evidence of that and before that, Loic Remy.

If there’s any risk they will just pull out of the deal.
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Just can’t seem to get it right at the back at the moment though, Delph was cheap, Zinchenko home grown but neither could sustain it after a year

posted on 27/6/20

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 9 minutes ago
I personally cannot wait for the game v city this season.

City are really going to want to set a marker down for next season and we know it.

it could be an absolute ripper.
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I don’t think it will be, I think you’ll win because we won’t match your intensity.

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I dunno, having watched your games back it'll be very interesting.

posted on 27/6/20

comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
Ah! I dislocated my knee and had to have three ops to sort it out so know how it feels!
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Did you dislocate the other one first game back?
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Funny you should say that, all of my pain since has been in the other knee.

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