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Yes Joel's death has caused a lot of controversy, and is what people are complaining about.
Literally just finished the game 10 mins ago. That is probably the longest storyline I’ve played in a video game. It gives LOTR films a run for its money.
On to the game, Joel’s death absolutely floored me. I knew it was gonna happen but didn’t expect it to be so early on. It actually pissssed me off so much, the way he was easily killed like a dog. I just don’t understand why he had to die. It was needless.
I mentioned on my thread that I absolutely hated playing Abby, why the fack are we being put inside the mind of Joel’s killer? I could not give two shiiits about her or her life, this woman took the life of the best video game character of all time. It’s a stupid move from Naughty Dog frankly.
I had a big problem defeating that beast in the hospital too, I must have died about 10 times before I managed to take him down. Literally emptied my entire inventory on the priiick. No idea what the point of that was tbh.
The storyline doesn’t match up to the first game at all, there were special moments in that one. The giraffe scene with Joel and Ellie is one that springs to mind. The last 40% of the game was an absolute drag though, the ending was so mundane and the fact Abby was let go in the end just rendered the entire storyline pointless. Wtf was the revenge motive for then?
Also another huge pet hate in this game is the amount of cut scenes there are, they outweigh the gameplay far too much. Sometimes felt like I was literally watching a film, and not playing a video game.
I have actually come to really appreciate this game, Since finishing it I have actually been able to see how other people have reacted to it, and some hate it, Joel was just too much for them, others have absolutely loved it, even though when Joel died they were so angry, They came to realise what the game was trying to portray.
I have changed my mind a little, this is a ten out of ten game, but you have to let go of the first game to see that. It wasn't the story I wanted, but this isn't my story, it is Joel and Ellie's, and life is not tied up in a bow. the cut scenes were needed for the story.
I'm glad I played it, but it has certainly divided gaming, which just goes to show how powerful gaming can be.
Do you think there will be a part 3 Amiga, or is that the end of the TLOU franchise?
Personally I think that is the end. Abbey has not endeared herself to anyone, and there doesn't seem much point on carrying on Ellies journey without Joel, and I can't imagine too many people are craving a third after playing this.
So yeah I think it's the end.
I don't think they would bother with a part 3 because of the backlash, however a prequel to the original might be something they could pursue. Explore Joel and Tommy's history after the outbreak, Tess also.
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Finished it over the weekend. Definitely didn’t feel as if there were as many light moments compared to the first one, and the light moments were mostly in the flashbacks rather than part of the main story.
I think relative to others I thought after TLOU1 that Joel was a feckingarsehole for what he did at the end, so didn’t have the grief others may have had for him.
I also thought the reaction to folk thinking the game was “woke” was utterly bizarre. I guess it had something to do with people’s own insecurities.
Just finished it now. Got to say I liked abbey as a character. Yes she killed Joel but let’s face it, she had good reason too. Kind of wanted her to off Ellie towards the end (Before the Santa Barbara chapter) as she was starting to become a little too bloodthirsty
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It is like I was saying Raptor. If you let go of the first game there is a lot to enjoy.
The polish on this game is top notch, and it is one of the stand out games this gen. Too many people just can't handle losing Joel.
That section of the game in the office block where there are about 8-10 of them, I soon realised after a couple of deaths that you couldn't go in gung-ho as they would surround you. Once you had 3 of em on you it was almost certain death.
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I threw bottles to lure them out one or two at a time as I was too scared to go charging in
I think the manner of which Joel was killed is the part which annoys a lot of people.
Most people accepted Joel would probably pay for what he did in the last game, but the writing which lead to his death didn't match his character at all.
Instantly trusting a bunch of sinister looking strangers, sharing information which identify's him. It took a long time for even Ellie to earn his trust last time round.
Some people cite that the years in Jackson will have eroded his survival instincts somewhat, but they still dealt with infected and bandit raids so that doesn't sit well with me.
Having said that, i'm glad a decent amount of the community have enjoyed the game. Seven years is a long wait.
I think people are reading too much into it all. Joels death was meant to well up strong feelings, and people will try to justify their opinion, with any argument they feel works.
Naughty Dog certainly gambled big. Personally I wish they hadn't. Not because TLOU2 is a bad game, it isn't.
But they took a beautiful story and turned it into ugly. But that was the game, it was trying to show you revenge is not pretty. to me they succeeded.
That does not mean it was the game I wanted, but I can accept it for what it is.
comment by BraveheartTyke (U6173)
posted 2 days, 1 hour ago
I think the manner of which Joel was killed is the part which annoys a lot of people.
Most people accepted Joel would probably pay for what he did in the last game, but the writing which lead to his death didn't match his character at all.
Instantly trusting a bunch of sinister looking strangers, sharing information which identify's him. It took a long time for even Ellie to earn his trust last time round.
Some people cite that the years in Jackson will have eroded his survival instincts somewhat, but they still dealt with infected and bandit raids so that doesn't sit well with me.
Having said that, i'm glad a decent amount of the community have enjoyed the game. Seven years is a long wait.
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Im with you There 100% Tyke it doesnt make sense, it felt like they wanted him out of the game as brutally and as quickly as possible.
I also found the pacing off, not many light or humorous or even real special moments for me and even have to question Abbys decision to tell the voice on the phone exactly where she was? It was a bit of a Joel moment.
I also found the whole forced theme of revenge vs redemption a bit pretentious.
But saying that I did enjoy some moments, I did enjoy the gameplay and some of the battles.
7/10 for me
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posted on 28/6/20
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posted on 28/6/20
Yes Joel's death has caused a lot of controversy, and is what people are complaining about.
posted on 29/6/20
Literally just finished the game 10 mins ago. That is probably the longest storyline I’ve played in a video game. It gives LOTR films a run for its money.
On to the game, Joel’s death absolutely floored me. I knew it was gonna happen but didn’t expect it to be so early on. It actually pissssed me off so much, the way he was easily killed like a dog. I just don’t understand why he had to die. It was needless.
I mentioned on my thread that I absolutely hated playing Abby, why the fack are we being put inside the mind of Joel’s killer? I could not give two shiiits about her or her life, this woman took the life of the best video game character of all time. It’s a stupid move from Naughty Dog frankly.
I had a big problem defeating that beast in the hospital too, I must have died about 10 times before I managed to take him down. Literally emptied my entire inventory on the priiick. No idea what the point of that was tbh.
The storyline doesn’t match up to the first game at all, there were special moments in that one. The giraffe scene with Joel and Ellie is one that springs to mind. The last 40% of the game was an absolute drag though, the ending was so mundane and the fact Abby was let go in the end just rendered the entire storyline pointless. Wtf was the revenge motive for then?
posted on 29/6/20
Also another huge pet hate in this game is the amount of cut scenes there are, they outweigh the gameplay far too much. Sometimes felt like I was literally watching a film, and not playing a video game.
posted on 29/6/20
I have actually come to really appreciate this game, Since finishing it I have actually been able to see how other people have reacted to it, and some hate it, Joel was just too much for them, others have absolutely loved it, even though when Joel died they were so angry, They came to realise what the game was trying to portray.
I have changed my mind a little, this is a ten out of ten game, but you have to let go of the first game to see that. It wasn't the story I wanted, but this isn't my story, it is Joel and Ellie's, and life is not tied up in a bow. the cut scenes were needed for the story.
I'm glad I played it, but it has certainly divided gaming, which just goes to show how powerful gaming can be.
posted on 29/6/20
Do you think there will be a part 3 Amiga, or is that the end of the TLOU franchise?
posted on 29/6/20
Personally I think that is the end. Abbey has not endeared herself to anyone, and there doesn't seem much point on carrying on Ellies journey without Joel, and I can't imagine too many people are craving a third after playing this.
So yeah I think it's the end.
posted on 29/6/20
I don't think they would bother with a part 3 because of the backlash, however a prequel to the original might be something they could pursue. Explore Joel and Tommy's history after the outbreak, Tess also.
posted on 2/7/20
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posted on 6/7/20
Finished it over the weekend. Definitely didn’t feel as if there were as many light moments compared to the first one, and the light moments were mostly in the flashbacks rather than part of the main story.
I think relative to others I thought after TLOU1 that Joel was a feckingarsehole for what he did at the end, so didn’t have the grief others may have had for him.
I also thought the reaction to folk thinking the game was “woke” was utterly bizarre. I guess it had something to do with people’s own insecurities.
posted on 12/7/20
Just finished it now. Got to say I liked abbey as a character. Yes she killed Joel but let’s face it, she had good reason too. Kind of wanted her to off Ellie towards the end (Before the Santa Barbara chapter) as she was starting to become a little too bloodthirsty
posted on 13/7/20
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posted on 13/7/20
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posted on 13/7/20
It is like I was saying Raptor. If you let go of the first game there is a lot to enjoy.
The polish on this game is top notch, and it is one of the stand out games this gen. Too many people just can't handle losing Joel.
posted on 15/7/20
That section of the game in the office block where there are about 8-10 of them, I soon realised after a couple of deaths that you couldn't go in gung-ho as they would surround you. Once you had 3 of em on you it was almost certain death.
—————
I threw bottles to lure them out one or two at a time as I was too scared to go charging in
posted on 15/7/20
I think the manner of which Joel was killed is the part which annoys a lot of people.
Most people accepted Joel would probably pay for what he did in the last game, but the writing which lead to his death didn't match his character at all.
Instantly trusting a bunch of sinister looking strangers, sharing information which identify's him. It took a long time for even Ellie to earn his trust last time round.
Some people cite that the years in Jackson will have eroded his survival instincts somewhat, but they still dealt with infected and bandit raids so that doesn't sit well with me.
Having said that, i'm glad a decent amount of the community have enjoyed the game. Seven years is a long wait.
posted on 15/7/20
I think people are reading too much into it all. Joels death was meant to well up strong feelings, and people will try to justify their opinion, with any argument they feel works.
Naughty Dog certainly gambled big. Personally I wish they hadn't. Not because TLOU2 is a bad game, it isn't.
But they took a beautiful story and turned it into ugly. But that was the game, it was trying to show you revenge is not pretty. to me they succeeded.
That does not mean it was the game I wanted, but I can accept it for what it is.
posted on 17/7/20
comment by BraveheartTyke (U6173)
posted 2 days, 1 hour ago
I think the manner of which Joel was killed is the part which annoys a lot of people.
Most people accepted Joel would probably pay for what he did in the last game, but the writing which lead to his death didn't match his character at all.
Instantly trusting a bunch of sinister looking strangers, sharing information which identify's him. It took a long time for even Ellie to earn his trust last time round.
Some people cite that the years in Jackson will have eroded his survival instincts somewhat, but they still dealt with infected and bandit raids so that doesn't sit well with me.
Having said that, i'm glad a decent amount of the community have enjoyed the game. Seven years is a long wait.
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Im with you There 100% Tyke it doesnt make sense, it felt like they wanted him out of the game as brutally and as quickly as possible.
I also found the pacing off, not many light or humorous or even real special moments for me and even have to question Abbys decision to tell the voice on the phone exactly where she was? It was a bit of a Joel moment.
I also found the whole forced theme of revenge vs redemption a bit pretentious.
But saying that I did enjoy some moments, I did enjoy the gameplay and some of the battles.
7/10 for me
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