comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 6 minutes ago
It’s a bit like those STILL blaming the General Election result on ‘thick northerners’, Brexit and Boris Johnson
No admitting or recognition that Corbyn and his cronies may just have been partly responsible for Labour’s worst result since 1935 😂👍🏼
Brought that up many a time,why are the left blaming the Tories for winning when they should be blaming those who backed Jezza as leader.Those who chose Corbyn to lead the party into an election that many Labour MP's knew was unwinnable with Corbyn still in charge.
Guess what the answer was,we've all heard it trotted out time after time.It was the biased media,they don't even admit they backed a dud when it's obvious for all to see.
It's was like a cult
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Massive cult. It’s amazing how, whenever your criticise Corbyn, his bunch of cultist Kool
Aid quaffers label you a Tory. They are so indoctrinated and brainwashed that they can’t seem to grasp that it’s actual Labour voters who don’t like Corbyn. Tories love him, he was a gift for them.
Coleman, you posted enough stuff over my threads over the past few months to see some of the responses I got over that subject
You were one of a few (that didn’t go unnoticed) for who my respect grew 👍🏼
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
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That is a prooblem...we hearso often govt need to be clear with a covid message, and they do.....so if you are playing in the minefield of race and identity, you need to be very careful what message you deliver.
I am surprised to admit I have not seen one official from BLM.org interviewed.
Instead, BBC or CNN go to a black person on the street or in a studio, which is fine, but we also need to know what the organisation want and are about.
...
comment by __19*__ (U22043)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 6 minutes ago
It’s a bit like those STILL blaming the General Election result on ‘thick northerners’, Brexit and Boris Johnson
No admitting or recognition that Corbyn and his cronies may just have been partly responsible for Labour’s worst result since 1935 😂👍🏼
Brought that up many a time,why are the left blaming the Tories for winning when they should be blaming those who backed Jezza as leader.Those who chose Corbyn to lead the party into an election that many Labour MP's knew was unwinnable with Corbyn still in charge.
Guess what the answer was,we've all heard it trotted out time after time.It was the biased media,they don't even admit they backed a dud when it's obvious for all to see.
It's was like a cult
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Massive cult. It’s amazing how, whenever your criticise Corbyn, his bunch of cultist Kool
Aid quaffers label you a Tory. They are so indoctrinated and brainwashed that they can’t seem to grasp that it’s actual Labour voters who don’t like Corbyn. Tories love him, he was a gift for them.
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I think we are seeing a rival politics thread springing up here.
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
It’s a bit like those STILL blaming the General Election result on ‘thick northerners’, Brexit and Boris Johnson
No admitting or recognition that Corbyn and his cronies may just have been partly responsible for Labour’s worst result since 1935 😂👍🏼
Brought that up many a time,why are the left blaming the Tories for winning when they should be blaming those who backed Jezza as leader.Those who chose Corbyn to lead the party into an election that many Labour MP's knew was unwinnable with Corbyn still in charge.
Guess what the answer was,we've all heard it trotted out time after time.It was the biased media,they don't even admit they backed a dud when it's obvious for all to see.
It's was like a cult
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With angry cultists.
Momentum operated to defend the Corbyn cabal, literally operating as bots on social media.
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posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
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comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
I find myself in a real quandary about this.
My instinctive reaction is: What can I do to help?
The typical response I get: Educate yourself.
So I take a look at the BLM UK website, and it says that capitalism is inherently racist and must be removed, and the police defunded.
I go: I can't back that. I guess that makes me racist. But I'll have to live with that if this is the definitions of a non-racist.
Then last weekend they popped up in favour of Palestine and confirmed who the organisers of the website really are. They're trying to smuggle their ideas in under the guise of a cause that people are far more likely to agree with, much as they did when they took over the Labour party.
And I've seen other accounts saying that this is in no way what BLM is about, including some people being interviewed on the BBC website. But I can't find anything that pins down exactly what it /is/ about, aside from stating that what happened to George Floyd is wrong and indicative of a wider problem in America and American police, which I think everyone kind of knew anyway.
But that then just puts me back to square one: If people are genuinely experiencing racism - and they are because I've listened to accounts and witnessed it - then what can I do to help?
I suspect the answer will come back: Educate yourself.
The problem with it being a disorganised idea is that it's meaning different things to different people. I've tried "educating myself" and it's only made thing more confused.
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Metoo.
Bad PR set up from brand BLM who do not pit forward people to explain what they want...but get 34k UK donors to fork put a million quid.
To who and for what?
To end capitalism and cops jobs.
Nutters
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Those who jumped on the bandwagon just because it was hip to do so seem to have gone into hiding.
There are so many people out there from celebrities to the general public to big business all wanting a cause to get behind to make them feel good.That should be make them look good really.
This is what social media and blame culture does,it has to have both causes and those to vilify that don't go along with things.Then when the reality hits the fan they all scurry off until the next cause and group of people to vilify.
Rinse and repeat.
Fooking world has gone mad
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But, we stood against the tide, brother.
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You have been far more vocal than me over this and I admire your tenacity in standing by your views,views which I share.
I just lost the will to argue with those that love to label people,those who start off the personal abuse and those people that never admit to being wrong.
I did an article last week regarding RLB and her sacking because no one had done one and yet it was due to racist comments.
I knew why mine was the first,she is far left in her politics and gave Jezza 10/10 on his leadership.I knew that those most vocal on here,we all know who they are,wouldn't say a peep.
It seems those on the left are the one's who go to abuse people first,to label people and to never sway in their opinions because they believe they are infallible and are always right.
Well they aint in this instance,but they still won't hold their hands up to being wrong
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It’s a bit like those STILL blaming the General Election result on ‘thick northerners’, Brexit and Boris Johnson
No admitting or recognition that Corbyn and his cronies may just have been partly responsible for Labour’s worst result since 1935 😂👍🏼
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Blaming the public for Corbyn, Abbott, Barry Gardiner, Bergon, Butler, McDonnell and Momentum unpopularity........
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 22 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
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The Metoo movement is a disgrace. How you can just publicly accuse someone of wrong doing 20 or 30 years after the fact without any evidence and have it stick as fact is beyond me.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
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That is a prooblem...we hearso often govt need to be clear with a covid message, and they do.....so if you are playing in the minefield of race and identity, you need to be very careful what message you deliver.
I am surprised to admit I have not seen one official from BLM.org interviewed.
Instead, BBC or CNN go to a black person on the street or in a studio, which is fine, but we also need to know what the organisation want and are about.
...
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Yeah the media don't help with these kind of things. They tend to go to whoever makes a good story or backs their view. And it's usually someone like Barnsley man or muslamic ray guns guy.
Do you remember when the LGBT thing kicked off in Birmingham? They kept interviewing that guy who had no kids and that woman who couldn't speak English properly. Which was a shame because had they listened to everyone the end result may have been different imo. Believe it or not many of the parents weren't against the general message but more about the delivery. One incident was a tall by a couple where a bloke was wearing leather underpants, on all fours being lead by another bloke holding his leash. I saw the pics and tbh I thought it was a bit much for little kids to see. Albeit I believe in equality with a passion
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comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 22 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
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The Metoo movement is a disgrace. How you can just publicly accuse someone of wrong doing 20 or 30 years after the fact without any evidence and have it stick as fact is beyond me.
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It's ok to some though.
If it's a republican......not so popular when Biden was accused.
Then again, Hilary backed Bill against women accusing him, so that's modern politics and morality.
That said, powerful men did need to be called out for abusing Tories and women, so u have sympathy with them needing a voice.
Abusing girls and women...not tories
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
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That is a prooblem...we hearso often govt need to be clear with a covid message, and they do.....so if you are playing in the minefield of race and identity, you need to be very careful what message you deliver.
I am surprised to admit I have not seen one official from BLM.org interviewed.
Instead, BBC or CNN go to a black person on the street or in a studio, which is fine, but we also need to know what the organisation want and are about.
...
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Yeah the media don't help with these kind of things. They tend to go to whoever makes a good story or backs their view. And it's usually someone like Barnsley man or muslamic ray guns guy.
Do you remember when the LGBT thing kicked off in Birmingham? They kept interviewing that guy who had no kids and that woman who couldn't speak English properly. Which was a shame because had they listened to everyone the end result may have been different imo. Believe it or not many of the parents weren't against the general message but more about the delivery. One incident was a tall by a couple where a bloke was wearing leather underpants, on all fours being lead by another bloke holding his leash. I saw the pics and tbh I thought it was a bit much for little kids to see. Albeit I believe in equality with a passion
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Fair point and the lgbt lobby need to police their parades etc in public, when it goes into S and M bondage in your high street at noon.
Don't get me started on the trans mafia.....fighting feminists, literally.
The muslim parents in Brum were backed by Catholic groups in Scotland, and here in Ulster the Protestant right oppose some lgbt teaching and practices.
Its a complex one all right, where secular progressive society rubs up against religious rights and parents concerns.
There’s still big BLM messages at the Emirates in the Arsenal-Norwich game now.
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posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
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That is a prooblem...we hearso often govt need to be clear with a covid message, and they do.....so if you are playing in the minefield of race and identity, you need to be very careful what message you deliver.
I am surprised to admit I have not seen one official from BLM.org interviewed.
Instead, BBC or CNN go to a black person on the street or in a studio, which is fine, but we also need to know what the organisation want and are about.
...
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Yeah the media don't help with these kind of things. They tend to go to whoever makes a good story or backs their view. And it's usually someone like Barnsley man or muslamic ray guns guy.
Do you remember when the LGBT thing kicked off in Birmingham? They kept interviewing that guy who had no kids and that woman who couldn't speak English properly. Which was a shame because had they listened to everyone the end result may have been different imo. Believe it or not many of the parents weren't against the general message but more about the delivery. One incident was a tall by a couple where a bloke was wearing leather underpants, on all fours being lead by another bloke holding his leash. I saw the pics and tbh I thought it was a bit much for little kids to see. Albeit I believe in equality with a passion
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Fair point and the lgbt lobby need to police their parades etc in public, when it goes into S and M bondage in your high street at noon.
Don't get me started on the trans mafia.....fighting feminists, literally.
The muslim parents in Brum were backed by Catholic groups in Scotland, and here in Ulster the Protestant right oppose some lgbt teaching and practices.
Its a complex one all right, where secular progressive society rubs up against religious rights and parents concerns.
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Not sure it was all religion with the fella who designed that course. Iirc he had been sacked from a previous school.
Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
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Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
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Not even close. Power and money are the culprits. Always have been always will be
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
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Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
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Not even close. Power and money are the culprits. Always have been always will be
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Aren't they the same thing?
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Yes, but power and money are just 2 of the tools ‘Religion’ uses abuses and craves in order to survive...along with control In order to oversee and dictate to the masses
Religion is the cause, things like power, money, control are just the tools it uses
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
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Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
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Not even close. Power and money are the culprits. Always have been always will be
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Aren't they the same thing?
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Not really no.
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Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
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Not even close. Power and money are the culprits. Always have been always will be
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Aren't they the same thing?
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Yes, but power and money are just 2 of the tools ‘Religion’ uses abuses and craves in order to survive...along with control In order to oversee and dictate to the masses
Religion is the cause, things like power, money, control are just the tools it uses
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It's the other way around. The basic teachings of religions would go against money and power.
Organised religion can be horrid, because humans are often greedy and nasty little things.
However, a belief in God and having faith or a spiritual sure Is quite nice.
Companies ditching them left right and centre, will the prem follow suit?
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
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Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
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Not even close. Power and money are the culprits. Always have been always will be
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Aren't they the same thing?
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Yes, but power and money are just 2 of the tools ‘Religion’ uses abuses and craves in order to survive...along with control In order to oversee and dictate to the masses
Religion is the cause, things like power, money, control are just the tools it uses
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It's the other way around. The basic teachings of religions would go against money and power.
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Are, but teachings have to be backed up by actions 👍🏼
The church....or most Religions teach, love, kindness, generosity, care, compassion, mercy, forgiveness, acceptance on a daily basis
But the reality of the institution (and I’m talking about the Christian Church specifically, but it goes for most of the worlds major religions), is that it’s a ruthless, cold-hearted machine that is absolutely geared towards self survival and keeping the masses under its control - why do you think ‘sin’ is so high on its agenda? It’s to make people feel so guilty about their miserable souls, they come back the following week for the dose of redemption
Trust me, I know first hand, the Church and Religion, when you strip away the veneer, is nothing more that slow working machine, who’s top priority is survival and self indulgence - and that ultimately is expressed through power, money, control and abuse 👍🏼
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Organised religion can be horrid, because humans are often greedy and nasty little things.
However, a belief in God and having faith or a spiritual sure Is quite nice.
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The two are worlds apart my friend 👍🏼😊
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HAS BLM BECOME RACIST...
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posted on 1/7/20
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 6 minutes ago
It’s a bit like those STILL blaming the General Election result on ‘thick northerners’, Brexit and Boris Johnson
No admitting or recognition that Corbyn and his cronies may just have been partly responsible for Labour’s worst result since 1935 😂👍🏼
Brought that up many a time,why are the left blaming the Tories for winning when they should be blaming those who backed Jezza as leader.Those who chose Corbyn to lead the party into an election that many Labour MP's knew was unwinnable with Corbyn still in charge.
Guess what the answer was,we've all heard it trotted out time after time.It was the biased media,they don't even admit they backed a dud when it's obvious for all to see.
It's was like a cult
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Massive cult. It’s amazing how, whenever your criticise Corbyn, his bunch of cultist Kool
Aid quaffers label you a Tory. They are so indoctrinated and brainwashed that they can’t seem to grasp that it’s actual Labour voters who don’t like Corbyn. Tories love him, he was a gift for them.
posted on 1/7/20
Coleman, you posted enough stuff over my threads over the past few months to see some of the responses I got over that subject
You were one of a few (that didn’t go unnoticed) for who my respect grew 👍🏼
posted on 1/7/20
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
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That is a prooblem...we hearso often govt need to be clear with a covid message, and they do.....so if you are playing in the minefield of race and identity, you need to be very careful what message you deliver.
I am surprised to admit I have not seen one official from BLM.org interviewed.
Instead, BBC or CNN go to a black person on the street or in a studio, which is fine, but we also need to know what the organisation want and are about.
...
posted on 1/7/20
comment by __19*__ (U22043)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 6 minutes ago
It’s a bit like those STILL blaming the General Election result on ‘thick northerners’, Brexit and Boris Johnson
No admitting or recognition that Corbyn and his cronies may just have been partly responsible for Labour’s worst result since 1935 😂👍🏼
Brought that up many a time,why are the left blaming the Tories for winning when they should be blaming those who backed Jezza as leader.Those who chose Corbyn to lead the party into an election that many Labour MP's knew was unwinnable with Corbyn still in charge.
Guess what the answer was,we've all heard it trotted out time after time.It was the biased media,they don't even admit they backed a dud when it's obvious for all to see.
It's was like a cult
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Massive cult. It’s amazing how, whenever your criticise Corbyn, his bunch of cultist Kool
Aid quaffers label you a Tory. They are so indoctrinated and brainwashed that they can’t seem to grasp that it’s actual Labour voters who don’t like Corbyn. Tories love him, he was a gift for them.
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I think we are seeing a rival politics thread springing up here.
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
It’s a bit like those STILL blaming the General Election result on ‘thick northerners’, Brexit and Boris Johnson
No admitting or recognition that Corbyn and his cronies may just have been partly responsible for Labour’s worst result since 1935 😂👍🏼
Brought that up many a time,why are the left blaming the Tories for winning when they should be blaming those who backed Jezza as leader.Those who chose Corbyn to lead the party into an election that many Labour MP's knew was unwinnable with Corbyn still in charge.
Guess what the answer was,we've all heard it trotted out time after time.It was the biased media,they don't even admit they backed a dud when it's obvious for all to see.
It's was like a cult
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With angry cultists.
Momentum operated to defend the Corbyn cabal, literally operating as bots on social media.
posted on 1/7/20
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posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
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posted 18 seconds ago
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comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
I find myself in a real quandary about this.
My instinctive reaction is: What can I do to help?
The typical response I get: Educate yourself.
So I take a look at the BLM UK website, and it says that capitalism is inherently racist and must be removed, and the police defunded.
I go: I can't back that. I guess that makes me racist. But I'll have to live with that if this is the definitions of a non-racist.
Then last weekend they popped up in favour of Palestine and confirmed who the organisers of the website really are. They're trying to smuggle their ideas in under the guise of a cause that people are far more likely to agree with, much as they did when they took over the Labour party.
And I've seen other accounts saying that this is in no way what BLM is about, including some people being interviewed on the BBC website. But I can't find anything that pins down exactly what it /is/ about, aside from stating that what happened to George Floyd is wrong and indicative of a wider problem in America and American police, which I think everyone kind of knew anyway.
But that then just puts me back to square one: If people are genuinely experiencing racism - and they are because I've listened to accounts and witnessed it - then what can I do to help?
I suspect the answer will come back: Educate yourself.
The problem with it being a disorganised idea is that it's meaning different things to different people. I've tried "educating myself" and it's only made thing more confused.
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Metoo.
Bad PR set up from brand BLM who do not pit forward people to explain what they want...but get 34k UK donors to fork put a million quid.
To who and for what?
To end capitalism and cops jobs.
Nutters
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Those who jumped on the bandwagon just because it was hip to do so seem to have gone into hiding.
There are so many people out there from celebrities to the general public to big business all wanting a cause to get behind to make them feel good.That should be make them look good really.
This is what social media and blame culture does,it has to have both causes and those to vilify that don't go along with things.Then when the reality hits the fan they all scurry off until the next cause and group of people to vilify.
Rinse and repeat.
Fooking world has gone mad
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But, we stood against the tide, brother.
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You have been far more vocal than me over this and I admire your tenacity in standing by your views,views which I share.
I just lost the will to argue with those that love to label people,those who start off the personal abuse and those people that never admit to being wrong.
I did an article last week regarding RLB and her sacking because no one had done one and yet it was due to racist comments.
I knew why mine was the first,she is far left in her politics and gave Jezza 10/10 on his leadership.I knew that those most vocal on here,we all know who they are,wouldn't say a peep.
It seems those on the left are the one's who go to abuse people first,to label people and to never sway in their opinions because they believe they are infallible and are always right.
Well they aint in this instance,but they still won't hold their hands up to being wrong
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It’s a bit like those STILL blaming the General Election result on ‘thick northerners’, Brexit and Boris Johnson
No admitting or recognition that Corbyn and his cronies may just have been partly responsible for Labour’s worst result since 1935 😂👍🏼
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Blaming the public for Corbyn, Abbott, Barry Gardiner, Bergon, Butler, McDonnell and Momentum unpopularity........
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 22 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
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The Metoo movement is a disgrace. How you can just publicly accuse someone of wrong doing 20 or 30 years after the fact without any evidence and have it stick as fact is beyond me.
posted on 1/7/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
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That is a prooblem...we hearso often govt need to be clear with a covid message, and they do.....so if you are playing in the minefield of race and identity, you need to be very careful what message you deliver.
I am surprised to admit I have not seen one official from BLM.org interviewed.
Instead, BBC or CNN go to a black person on the street or in a studio, which is fine, but we also need to know what the organisation want and are about.
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Yeah the media don't help with these kind of things. They tend to go to whoever makes a good story or backs their view. And it's usually someone like Barnsley man or muslamic ray guns guy.
Do you remember when the LGBT thing kicked off in Birmingham? They kept interviewing that guy who had no kids and that woman who couldn't speak English properly. Which was a shame because had they listened to everyone the end result may have been different imo. Believe it or not many of the parents weren't against the general message but more about the delivery. One incident was a tall by a couple where a bloke was wearing leather underpants, on all fours being lead by another bloke holding his leash. I saw the pics and tbh I thought it was a bit much for little kids to see. Albeit I believe in equality with a passion
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 22 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
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The Metoo movement is a disgrace. How you can just publicly accuse someone of wrong doing 20 or 30 years after the fact without any evidence and have it stick as fact is beyond me.
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It's ok to some though.
If it's a republican......not so popular when Biden was accused.
Then again, Hilary backed Bill against women accusing him, so that's modern politics and morality.
That said, powerful men did need to be called out for abusing Tories and women, so u have sympathy with them needing a voice.
posted on 1/7/20
Abusing girls and women...not tories
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
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That is a prooblem...we hearso often govt need to be clear with a covid message, and they do.....so if you are playing in the minefield of race and identity, you need to be very careful what message you deliver.
I am surprised to admit I have not seen one official from BLM.org interviewed.
Instead, BBC or CNN go to a black person on the street or in a studio, which is fine, but we also need to know what the organisation want and are about.
...
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Yeah the media don't help with these kind of things. They tend to go to whoever makes a good story or backs their view. And it's usually someone like Barnsley man or muslamic ray guns guy.
Do you remember when the LGBT thing kicked off in Birmingham? They kept interviewing that guy who had no kids and that woman who couldn't speak English properly. Which was a shame because had they listened to everyone the end result may have been different imo. Believe it or not many of the parents weren't against the general message but more about the delivery. One incident was a tall by a couple where a bloke was wearing leather underpants, on all fours being lead by another bloke holding his leash. I saw the pics and tbh I thought it was a bit much for little kids to see. Albeit I believe in equality with a passion
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Fair point and the lgbt lobby need to police their parades etc in public, when it goes into S and M bondage in your high street at noon.
Don't get me started on the trans mafia.....fighting feminists, literally.
The muslim parents in Brum were backed by Catholic groups in Scotland, and here in Ulster the Protestant right oppose some lgbt teaching and practices.
Its a complex one all right, where secular progressive society rubs up against religious rights and parents concerns.
posted on 1/7/20
There’s still big BLM messages at the Emirates in the Arsenal-Norwich game now.
posted on 1/7/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is BLM in different from say feminism?
What I mean is that the general message from both is hard to argue but then there are elements that we disagree with and some stuff which is taken too far.
A lot of the problem for me is that these type of organisations don't fit into a neat package. There is no one leader with aims and conditions etc. Depending on who you talk to you can be for or against.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That is a prooblem...we hearso often govt need to be clear with a covid message, and they do.....so if you are playing in the minefield of race and identity, you need to be very careful what message you deliver.
I am surprised to admit I have not seen one official from BLM.org interviewed.
Instead, BBC or CNN go to a black person on the street or in a studio, which is fine, but we also need to know what the organisation want and are about.
...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah the media don't help with these kind of things. They tend to go to whoever makes a good story or backs their view. And it's usually someone like Barnsley man or muslamic ray guns guy.
Do you remember when the LGBT thing kicked off in Birmingham? They kept interviewing that guy who had no kids and that woman who couldn't speak English properly. Which was a shame because had they listened to everyone the end result may have been different imo. Believe it or not many of the parents weren't against the general message but more about the delivery. One incident was a tall by a couple where a bloke was wearing leather underpants, on all fours being lead by another bloke holding his leash. I saw the pics and tbh I thought it was a bit much for little kids to see. Albeit I believe in equality with a passion
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Fair point and the lgbt lobby need to police their parades etc in public, when it goes into S and M bondage in your high street at noon.
Don't get me started on the trans mafia.....fighting feminists, literally.
The muslim parents in Brum were backed by Catholic groups in Scotland, and here in Ulster the Protestant right oppose some lgbt teaching and practices.
Its a complex one all right, where secular progressive society rubs up against religious rights and parents concerns.
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Not sure it was all religion with the fella who designed that course. Iirc he had been sacked from a previous school.
posted on 1/7/20
Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
posted on 1/7/20
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
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Not even close. Power and money are the culprits. Always have been always will be
posted on 1/7/20
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posted on 1/7/20
Religion
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
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Not even close. Power and money are the culprits. Always have been always will be
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Aren't they the same thing?
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Yes, but power and money are just 2 of the tools ‘Religion’ uses abuses and craves in order to survive...along with control In order to oversee and dictate to the masses
Religion is the cause, things like power, money, control are just the tools it uses
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 7 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
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Not even close. Power and money are the culprits. Always have been always will be
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Aren't they the same thing?
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Not really no.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
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Not even close. Power and money are the culprits. Always have been always will be
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Aren't they the same thing?
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Yes, but power and money are just 2 of the tools ‘Religion’ uses abuses and craves in order to survive...along with control In order to oversee and dictate to the masses
Religion is the cause, things like power, money, control are just the tools it uses
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It's the other way around. The basic teachings of religions would go against money and power.
posted on 2/7/20
Organised religion can be horrid, because humans are often greedy and nasty little things.
However, a belief in God and having faith or a spiritual sure Is quite nice.
posted on 2/7/20
Companies ditching them left right and centre, will the prem follow suit?
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
Religion is the worst culprit of all throughout the entirety of human history for division, inequality, murder and ruin
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Not even close. Power and money are the culprits. Always have been always will be
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Aren't they the same thing?
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Yes, but power and money are just 2 of the tools ‘Religion’ uses abuses and craves in order to survive...along with control In order to oversee and dictate to the masses
Religion is the cause, things like power, money, control are just the tools it uses
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It's the other way around. The basic teachings of religions would go against money and power.
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Are, but teachings have to be backed up by actions 👍🏼
The church....or most Religions teach, love, kindness, generosity, care, compassion, mercy, forgiveness, acceptance on a daily basis
But the reality of the institution (and I’m talking about the Christian Church specifically, but it goes for most of the worlds major religions), is that it’s a ruthless, cold-hearted machine that is absolutely geared towards self survival and keeping the masses under its control - why do you think ‘sin’ is so high on its agenda? It’s to make people feel so guilty about their miserable souls, they come back the following week for the dose of redemption
Trust me, I know first hand, the Church and Religion, when you strip away the veneer, is nothing more that slow working machine, who’s top priority is survival and self indulgence - and that ultimately is expressed through power, money, control and abuse 👍🏼
posted on 2/7/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Organised religion can be horrid, because humans are often greedy and nasty little things.
However, a belief in God and having faith or a spiritual sure Is quite nice.
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The two are worlds apart my friend 👍🏼😊
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