Hargreaves also spent much of his limited time on the pitch at RM or even RB on occasion.
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No to mention the fact he unfortunately only played about 30 times in total for the club
Holding midfielder doesn't mean 'getting stuck in, hard tackling midfielder'.
You can be holding midfielder and break up play (Matic, Mascherano etc..) or you can be a holding midfielder and dictate the game (Scholes, Pirlo etc...) or you can do a bit of both (Busquets, Keane latter years)
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
Hargreaves also spent much of his limited time on the pitch at RM or even RB on occasion.
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No to mention the fact he unfortunately only played about 30 times in total for the club
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Hence the word "limited"!
Holding midfielder simply means you hold your position in front of the defence and don't go forward. You can have one holding spraying passes around, Scholes, Pirlo, Gerrard in his latter years or one who is breaking up play and moving it on to a passer when he breaks it up. Liverpool used to play with a three of Mascherano, Alonso and Gerrard, both Mascherano and Alonso were holding midfielders, however they had different roles, Mascherano broke up play and passed it to Alonso, who made the riskier pass.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
Hargreaves also spent much of his limited time on the pitch at RM or even RB on occasion.
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No to mention the fact he unfortunately only played about 30 times in total for the club
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Hence the word "limited"!
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I just wanted to emphasise your point that a guy playing less than 30 times for the club is getting ranked so high by the OP in a category he doesn't belong
I suppose we're straying into that awkward territory of what you can and can't call certain positions. I'm not sure I'd really say Pirlo or later Scholes were "holding midfielders" as I'd probably expect more defensive qualities in a holding midfielder. They were more deep-lying playmakers or "registas" for me.
Labelling football positions reminds me of Stephen Jay Gould, when he argued that there was no such thing as a fish.
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose we're straying into that awkward territory of what you can and can't call certain positions. I'm not sure I'd really say Pirlo or later Scholes were "holding midfielders" as I'd probably expect more defensive qualities in a holding midfielder. They were more deep-lying playmakers or "registas" for me.
Labelling football positions reminds me of Stephen Jay Gould, when he argued that there was no such thing as a fish.
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I think deep laying playmakers are holding midfielders but ones who get on the ball and pass from deep, rather than ones who are specifically there to break up the play. Holding midfield is simply the position they occupy on the pitch, whereas deep laying playmaker is the role they've been asked to do.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose we're straying into that awkward territory of what you can and can't call certain positions. I'm not sure I'd really say Pirlo or later Scholes were "holding midfielders" as I'd probably expect more defensive qualities in a holding midfielder. They were more deep-lying playmakers or "registas" for me.
Labelling football positions reminds me of Stephen Jay Gould, when he argued that there was no such thing as a fish.
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I think deep laying playmakers are holding midfielders but ones who get on the ball and pass from deep, rather than ones who are specifically there to break up the play. Holding midfield is simply the position they occupy on the pitch, whereas deep laying playmaker is the role they've been asked to do.
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Fair... but I'd say Pirlo and later Scholes and players of that ilk actually need a holding midfielder next to them. And I wouldn't then say that the team had "two holding midfielders". Like I say, it's semantics really, but "holding midfielder" to me would mean Makelele, Carrick, Mascherano, Fernandinho etc. Positional discipline, defensive qualities (reading the game etc) and sometimes pretty physical too (not so much Carrick) and not venturing forward all that often. The way I see it, "holding midfielder" is pretty much interchangeable with "defensive midfielder", whereas "deep-lying playmaker" isn't necessarily.
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 15 minutes ago
Labelling football positions reminds me of Stephen Jay Gould, when he argued that there was no such thing as a fish.
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I can safely say that I learned a lot more by googling this, than by reading this article.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
What is this mess?
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RDD
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
What is this mess?
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RDD
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It's not.
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose we're straying into that awkward territory of what you can and can't call certain positions. I'm not sure I'd really say Pirlo or later Scholes were "holding midfielders" as I'd probably expect more defensive qualities in a holding midfielder. They were more deep-lying playmakers or "registas" for me.
Labelling football positions reminds me of Stephen Jay Gould, when he argued that there was no such thing as a fish.
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I think deep laying playmakers are holding midfielders but ones who get on the ball and pass from deep, rather than ones who are specifically there to break up the play. Holding midfield is simply the position they occupy on the pitch, whereas deep laying playmaker is the role they've been asked to do.
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Fair... but I'd say Pirlo and later Scholes and players of that ilk actually need a holding midfielder next to them. And I wouldn't then say that the team had "two holding midfielders". Like I say, it's semantics really, but "holding midfielder" to me would mean Makelele, Carrick, Mascherano, Fernandinho etc. Positional discipline, defensive qualities (reading the game etc) and sometimes pretty physical too (not so much Carrick) and not venturing forward all that often. The way I see it, "holding midfielder" is pretty much interchangeable with "defensive midfielder", whereas "deep-lying playmaker" isn't necessarily.
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I agree but one who does the defensive stuff, breaking up play etc.
good article although inaccurate
Is the OP RDD, or ShamelessKing or another shameless ex poster?
RDD
You have omitted Mike Carrick from you list. Just wondering why? This is what Pep said about him...
"He is one of the best holding midfielders I've ever seen in my life by far. "He's the level of Xabi Alonso and Sergio Busquets."
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Good grief. WTF is this total mess of an article.
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A United fan requested this article.
For me whoever had play next to Scholes to deal with his defensive shortcomings has to top the list.
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Yeah, when Scholes played alongside Gerrard in CM for England it was like the blind leading the blind.
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
RDD
You have omitted Mike Carrick from you list. Just wondering why? This is what Pep said about him...
"He is one of the best holding midfielders I've ever seen in my life by far. "He's the level of Xabi Alonso and Sergio Busquets."
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as if pep has never come out with anything ridiculous
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 3 minutes ago
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
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Decent way of putting it.
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
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Keane was useless at times with bad discipline and red cards in big games. Matic is more composed as a leader and let’s you down less often
comment by ShamelessObserver (U22372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
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Keane was useless at times with bad discipline and red cards in big games. Matic is more composed as a leader and let’s you down less often
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Shut up.
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ShamelessObserver (U22372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
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Keane was useless at times with bad discipline and red cards in big games. Matic is more composed as a leader and let’s you down less often
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Shut up.
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Also decent way of putting it
What a mess of an article. This has all the traits of a RDD article.
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 33 minutes ago
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
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how about potato eater?
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posted on 6/7/20
Hargreaves also spent much of his limited time on the pitch at RM or even RB on occasion.
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No to mention the fact he unfortunately only played about 30 times in total for the club
posted on 6/7/20
Holding midfielder doesn't mean 'getting stuck in, hard tackling midfielder'.
You can be holding midfielder and break up play (Matic, Mascherano etc..) or you can be a holding midfielder and dictate the game (Scholes, Pirlo etc...) or you can do a bit of both (Busquets, Keane latter years)
posted on 6/7/20
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
Hargreaves also spent much of his limited time on the pitch at RM or even RB on occasion.
-----------
No to mention the fact he unfortunately only played about 30 times in total for the club
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hence the word "limited"!
posted on 6/7/20
Holding midfielder simply means you hold your position in front of the defence and don't go forward. You can have one holding spraying passes around, Scholes, Pirlo, Gerrard in his latter years or one who is breaking up play and moving it on to a passer when he breaks it up. Liverpool used to play with a three of Mascherano, Alonso and Gerrard, both Mascherano and Alonso were holding midfielders, however they had different roles, Mascherano broke up play and passed it to Alonso, who made the riskier pass.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
Hargreaves also spent much of his limited time on the pitch at RM or even RB on occasion.
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No to mention the fact he unfortunately only played about 30 times in total for the club
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Hence the word "limited"!
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I just wanted to emphasise your point that a guy playing less than 30 times for the club is getting ranked so high by the OP in a category he doesn't belong
posted on 6/7/20
I suppose we're straying into that awkward territory of what you can and can't call certain positions. I'm not sure I'd really say Pirlo or later Scholes were "holding midfielders" as I'd probably expect more defensive qualities in a holding midfielder. They were more deep-lying playmakers or "registas" for me.
Labelling football positions reminds me of Stephen Jay Gould, when he argued that there was no such thing as a fish.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose we're straying into that awkward territory of what you can and can't call certain positions. I'm not sure I'd really say Pirlo or later Scholes were "holding midfielders" as I'd probably expect more defensive qualities in a holding midfielder. They were more deep-lying playmakers or "registas" for me.
Labelling football positions reminds me of Stephen Jay Gould, when he argued that there was no such thing as a fish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think deep laying playmakers are holding midfielders but ones who get on the ball and pass from deep, rather than ones who are specifically there to break up the play. Holding midfield is simply the position they occupy on the pitch, whereas deep laying playmaker is the role they've been asked to do.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose we're straying into that awkward territory of what you can and can't call certain positions. I'm not sure I'd really say Pirlo or later Scholes were "holding midfielders" as I'd probably expect more defensive qualities in a holding midfielder. They were more deep-lying playmakers or "registas" for me.
Labelling football positions reminds me of Stephen Jay Gould, when he argued that there was no such thing as a fish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think deep laying playmakers are holding midfielders but ones who get on the ball and pass from deep, rather than ones who are specifically there to break up the play. Holding midfield is simply the position they occupy on the pitch, whereas deep laying playmaker is the role they've been asked to do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair... but I'd say Pirlo and later Scholes and players of that ilk actually need a holding midfielder next to them. And I wouldn't then say that the team had "two holding midfielders". Like I say, it's semantics really, but "holding midfielder" to me would mean Makelele, Carrick, Mascherano, Fernandinho etc. Positional discipline, defensive qualities (reading the game etc) and sometimes pretty physical too (not so much Carrick) and not venturing forward all that often. The way I see it, "holding midfielder" is pretty much interchangeable with "defensive midfielder", whereas "deep-lying playmaker" isn't necessarily.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 15 minutes ago
Labelling football positions reminds me of Stephen Jay Gould, when he argued that there was no such thing as a fish.
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I can safely say that I learned a lot more by googling this, than by reading this article.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
What is this mess?
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RDD
posted on 6/7/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
What is this mess?
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RDD
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It's not.
posted on 6/7/20
What does RDD mean sorry
posted on 6/7/20
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
I suppose we're straying into that awkward territory of what you can and can't call certain positions. I'm not sure I'd really say Pirlo or later Scholes were "holding midfielders" as I'd probably expect more defensive qualities in a holding midfielder. They were more deep-lying playmakers or "registas" for me.
Labelling football positions reminds me of Stephen Jay Gould, when he argued that there was no such thing as a fish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think deep laying playmakers are holding midfielders but ones who get on the ball and pass from deep, rather than ones who are specifically there to break up the play. Holding midfield is simply the position they occupy on the pitch, whereas deep laying playmaker is the role they've been asked to do.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair... but I'd say Pirlo and later Scholes and players of that ilk actually need a holding midfielder next to them. And I wouldn't then say that the team had "two holding midfielders". Like I say, it's semantics really, but "holding midfielder" to me would mean Makelele, Carrick, Mascherano, Fernandinho etc. Positional discipline, defensive qualities (reading the game etc) and sometimes pretty physical too (not so much Carrick) and not venturing forward all that often. The way I see it, "holding midfielder" is pretty much interchangeable with "defensive midfielder", whereas "deep-lying playmaker" isn't necessarily.
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I agree but one who does the defensive stuff, breaking up play etc.
posted on 6/7/20
good article although inaccurate
posted on 6/7/20
Is the OP RDD, or ShamelessKing or another shameless ex poster?
posted on 6/7/20
RDD
You have omitted Mike Carrick from you list. Just wondering why? This is what Pep said about him...
"He is one of the best holding midfielders I've ever seen in my life by far. "He's the level of Xabi Alonso and Sergio Busquets."
posted on 6/7/20
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Good grief. WTF is this total mess of an article.
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A United fan requested this article.
For me whoever had play next to Scholes to deal with his defensive shortcomings has to top the list.
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Yeah, when Scholes played alongside Gerrard in CM for England it was like the blind leading the blind.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 41 minutes ago
RDD
You have omitted Mike Carrick from you list. Just wondering why? This is what Pep said about him...
"He is one of the best holding midfielders I've ever seen in my life by far. "He's the level of Xabi Alonso and Sergio Busquets."
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as if pep has never come out with anything ridiculous
posted on 6/7/20
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 3 minutes ago
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
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Decent way of putting it.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
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Keane was useless at times with bad discipline and red cards in big games. Matic is more composed as a leader and let’s you down less often
posted on 6/7/20
comment by ShamelessObserver (U22372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
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Keane was useless at times with bad discipline and red cards in big games. Matic is more composed as a leader and let’s you down less often
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Shut up.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ShamelessObserver (U22372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
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Keane was useless at times with bad discipline and red cards in big games. Matic is more composed as a leader and let’s you down less often
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Shut up.
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Also decent way of putting it
posted on 6/7/20
What a mess of an article. This has all the traits of a RDD article.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 33 minutes ago
Matic doesn’t top any list that Roy Keane could appear on, regardless of how you define the role.
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how about potato eater?
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