comment by *GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 8 seconds ago
Hi Wahl
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Its so obvious it is not even funny anymore

I'm not Wahl, sorry.

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'Not really down to the managers though is it. It's the policy of the club. Back then with Chelsea, if you finished fourth or lower, you were gone. With that culture, of course the manager isn't going to look to develop younger players if it increases his chances of losing his job.'


I'm not interested in hearing that cliched BS.
That notion was debunked in Mourinho's second stint when he had us above the relegation zone dire straits still in position, with no sign of finishing within the top 4.
Also the previous managers never had the foresight to believe that youth could help them achieve their goals in short and long-term.

Managers create the culture.
Quality signings like of Ziyech, Werner and maybe Havertz...wouldn't be possible under the previous managers, for various reasons which I could expand on and dissect but I wont.

That notion was debunked in Mourinho's second stint when he had us above the relegation zone dire straits still in position, with no sign of finishing within the top 4.
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And was fired, despite winning Chelsea three league titles.

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comment by Rueduciel (U22417)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
Mourinho had everything to do with De Bruyne leaving.
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No he didn't, Roberto De Matteo sold De bruyne before Mourinho came to Chelsea
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Firstly get his name right, it's Di Matteo.

Secondly De Bruyne made his Chelsea debut in August 2013 which is nine months after Di Matteo was sacked by Chelsea in November 2012.

Chelsea sold Kevin De Bruyne to Werder Bremen in July 2012

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comment by Blue in the face ⚽️ (U22288)
posted 12 minutes ago
DeBruyne - his talent was immediately obvious, and he was never given a sustained chance. Mourinho made a huge error prioritising Oscar over him.

Salah is a world class player now, but he wasn’t ready for a big club when he joined us. His improvement in the
in Italy and at Liverpool over a two year period was seismic, and I don’t think we could have predicted it. Of course in hindsight we should have kept him but I can’t blame the club.

With Salah I am disappointed but also kind of happy for him, with DeBruyne I am still angry. That is the difference
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Sums up how I feel. Mourinho gave De Bruyne his PL debut in a match that De Bruyne ended up getting MOM. His talent was there for all to see and I honestly thought after that match that he'd go on to become a Chelsea great.

For whatever reason Mourinho ended up demoting De Bruyne from the first team squad that season and the rest is history with De Bruyne being shown the door after that.

In hindsight I would have happily given up that PL title we won in Jose's second stint if it meant keeping De Bruyne long term.

Oh wait, the Werder bremen transfer was only a loan. I am sorry, I didn't realise that.

comment by Rueduciel (U22417)
posted 3 minutes ago
Oh wait, the Werder bremen transfer was only a loan. I am sorry, I didn't realise that.
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Pie in the sky

comment by *GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 1 minute ago
'Not really down to the managers though is it. It's the policy of the club. Back then with Chelsea, if you finished fourth or lower, you were gone. With that culture, of course the manager isn't going to look to develop younger players if it increases his chances of losing his job.'


I'm not interested in hearing that cliched BS.
That notion was debunked in Mourinho's second stint when he had us above the relegation zone dire straits still in position, with no sign of finishing within the top 4.
Also the previous managers never had the foresight to believe that youth could help them achieve their goals in short and long-term.

Managers create the culture.
Quality signings like of Ziyech, Werner and maybe Havertz...wouldn't be possible under the previous managers, for various reasons which I could expand on and dissect but I wont.
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Cliched BSThe culture at Chelsea for a decade was based on short term success, the here and now. You went through managers like no other top club and when that success slipped slightly, which usually meant that you didn't win something, they were gone. I have no issue with that at all. The policy led to you being hugely successful. The manager doesn't create the culture from that perspective. It isn't the 1990's.
You've signed far bigger and better players than Ziyech and Werner in that time, so I am not really sure what you are saying.... the club that Lampard arrived at is massively different to previous years. Chelsea went on a PR overdrive to say it was all about the youngsters. That was of course to do with the transfer ban, but Lampard was brought in for a very specific reason which worked out perfectly all around. As long as the strong youth system was finally being used, this season was a free hit. No other manager and at no other time has that been a thing at Chelsea.
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And after all this pr Chelsea are going mental in the transfer market for Werner, Ziyech and Havertz. Not a lot has changed.

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De Bruyne, mainly because the whole world was saying how good he was, it was just our managers that didn't know how to use him. I regret we didn't use Salah properly too.

Remember Mourinho's first season with Duff and Robben? He could have played a similar system with De Bruyne and Salah. But until now, we have not had the most expansive of managers.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/nov/12/jose-mourinho-de-bruyne-lukaku-salah-chelsea

KDB, obviously either would be great and on the grander scheme of things I actually think Salah is so underrated generally right now. Such a good player. But the reasons why KDB:

1) When we sold Salah I wasn’t bothered when we sold KDB I was. We too easily forget the benefit of hindsight. Sometimes some football decisions (a signing/sale etc.) you can tell/predict will not turn out well. Others may seem exactly the right decision for that time and context.

Salah at that time there was literally no inclination he’d ever be that good. So from a realistic perspective I don’t mind we let him go. KDB in other hand showed on loan what he could do, came back, didn’t get a chance, and immediately started performing at a similar level when he was sold.

2) Concisely, I think KDB would be more likely to raise the game of those around him. I think in seasons since we left where we’ve finished lower in league e’d be more likely to raise us a few positions when our team was weaker than Salah would

But as another random factor, in Conte’s 3-4-3 we were much more in need of someone like Salah than KDB

I know others will disagree of course, but I also regret our handling Sturridge and Lukaku

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Pretty much what everyone else said. The answer's KDB.

The really frustrating thing about it as well is we kind of got lucky with him in the first place, I swear I remember him being a winger when we bought him from Genk? It's like we won the lottery & threw away the tickets

I’m saying it was pr that it would be a long term thing, I never bought that, and Chelsea’s moves in the transfer market show it won’t be. Nothing wrong with that, of course. But Chelsea’s hand was forced with the transfer ban, rather than it being a shift towards some holistic approach.

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comment by Blue in the face ⚽️ (U22288)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 23 minutes ago
I know others will disagree of course, but I also regret our handling Sturridge and Lukaku
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Sturridge is a highly talented player but to me his attitude was not great, and with these injuries plaguing his career I can’t say I am that regretful. Although I have sympathy for his current situation.

Lukaku never looked good whenever he played for us. I think he has become a very good striker but he is not world class imo, and although I would prefer him to Torres, Morata and Higuain, he isnt going to win us titles

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Lukaku didn't even play 20 games for us and that was when he was much younger.

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