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posted on 9/7/20

VAR isnt the issue, its the officials in this league and how they chose to use it. Hiding behind the clear and obvious so not to re-ref the game from the on match official, just let him go to the monitor then? no that'd be too simple for riley and his prats.

VAR has improved the amount of decisions getting called correctly. But at the same time it just highlights the incompetence of officating in this league. Even with help they manage to fack it up so badly everyones baffled by VAR.

posted on 9/7/20

not helped by the issue of a lot of people not liking tight offsides, and for some strange reason want attackers to have advantages over defenders, and have to respect for offside traps or tight/high lines. Also the silly new handball rule no1 likes. And the inaccuracy of these offside lines n the drawing them on etc.

posted on 9/7/20

I know there's talk from Collina about FIFA bringing it's administration into the global fold - maybe that could solve it's woes!
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At this rate anything will be better than Mike Riley and co's plan. This has been a terrible season as a whole for football. Even Liverpool fans couldn't celebrate their league win, as great as it was for them.

posted on 9/7/20

Also its its first season, was always gonna be teething problems that was surely expected. Don't really have faith in our bunch of officials sorting those out though. Do you?

posted on 9/7/20

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 3 minutes ago
VAR isnt the issue, its the officials in this league and how they chose to use it. Hiding behind the clear and obvious so not to re-ref the game from the on match official, just let him go to the monitor then? no that'd be too simple for riley and his prats.

VAR has improved the amount of decisions getting called correctly. But at the same time it just highlights the incompetence of officating in this league. Even with help they manage to fack it up so badly everyones baffled by VAR.
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My view entirely. There's nothing wrong with the technology just the total ineptness of those using it.

VAR gave them the perfect opportunity tonight to overturn a wrong decision and only they can tell you why they declined to do so.

My other problem with it, is it's use to scrutinise every goal to find out some reason to disallow it, were no one would have thought to question it.

posted on 9/7/20

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also its its first season, was always gonna be teething problems that was surely expected. Don't really have faith in our bunch of officials sorting those out though. Do you?
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Tonight was nothing to do with a 'Teething' problem though. They surely had a perfect view of it but did nothing - that's just sheer human incompetence!

posted on 9/7/20

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also its its first season, was always gonna be teething problems that was surely expected. Don't really have faith in our bunch of officials sorting those out though. Do you?
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Tonight was nothing to do with a 'Teething' problem though. They surely had a perfect view of it but did nothing - that's just sheer human incompetence!
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theyve got to stay close to the guidelines they set out from the start though, can't go changing them at diff points of the season.

posted on 9/7/20

or atleast you'd imagine.

posted on 9/7/20

VAR was always destined to be a disaster for the game and so it has proven.

For the handful of blatant incorrect decisions it corrects, it does so much more harm.

posted on 9/7/20

Why is VAR to blame for this? I'm sorry OP but are you dense?

VAR is a tool and not to blame for anything. VAR presented the officials with a chance to make the right decision and they still gave the decision to United regardless.

Blame the officials. They're doing the same thing they were doing pre VAR. Nearly every major VAR review involving United has gone in their favour.

Take away VAR and they'll be doing the same thing next season but without VAR you won't even know it's happening. Why blame VAR?

posted on 9/7/20

comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
Why is VAR to blame for this? I'm sorry OP but are you dense?

VAR is a tool and not to blame for anything. VAR presented the officials with a chance to make the right decision and they still gave the decision to United regardless.

Blame the officials. They're doing the same thing they were doing pre VAR. Nearly every major VAR review involving United has gone in their favour.

Take away VAR and they'll be doing the same thing next season but without VAR you won't even know it's happening. Why blame VAR?
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You didn't read my reply to inbefore, before jumping in with both size nines did you - and you call me dense!

posted on 9/7/20

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
Why is VAR to blame for this? I'm sorry OP but are you dense?

VAR is a tool and not to blame for anything. VAR presented the officials with a chance to make the right decision and they still gave the decision to United regardless.

Blame the officials. They're doing the same thing they were doing pre VAR. Nearly every major VAR review involving United has gone in their favour.

Take away VAR and they'll be doing the same thing next season but without VAR you won't even know it's happening. Why blame VAR?
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You didn't read my reply to inbefore, before jumping in with both size nines did you - and you call me dense!
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I was replying to the OP which was having a go at VAR.

posted on 10/7/20

comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
Why is VAR to blame for this? I'm sorry OP but are you dense?

VAR is a tool and not to blame for anything. VAR presented the officials with a chance to make the right decision and they still gave the decision to United regardless.

Blame the officials. They're doing the same thing they were doing pre VAR. Nearly every major VAR review involving United has gone in their favour.

Take away VAR and they'll be doing the same thing next season but without VAR you won't even know it's happening. Why blame VAR?
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You didn't read my reply to inbefore, before jumping in with both size nines did you - and you call me dense!
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I was replying to the OP which was having a go at VAR.
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No you were being one of those obtuse people that has to try and look clever, 9 out of ten of which fall flat on their face and look a total buffoon - Unfortunately you're not the one out of ten.

And if you examine the acroynm VAR, you'll find it stands for Video ASSISTANT REFEREE, who I am lead to believe is a flesh and blood humanoid, not a robot (although you could be excused for thinking he was), therefore not the technological element of the system.

Perhaps you'd like to lobby the League and FA to have it renamed Video Camera Technology, to make you're lame attempt to look smart, a little more creditable than it actually was!

posted on 10/7/20

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
Why is VAR to blame for this? I'm sorry OP but are you dense?

VAR is a tool and not to blame for anything. VAR presented the officials with a chance to make the right decision and they still gave the decision to United regardless.

Blame the officials. They're doing the same thing they were doing pre VAR. Nearly every major VAR review involving United has gone in their favour.

Take away VAR and they'll be doing the same thing next season but without VAR you won't even know it's happening. Why blame VAR?
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You didn't read my reply to inbefore, before jumping in with both size nines did you - and you call me dense!
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I was replying to the OP which was having a go at VAR.
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No you were being one of those obtuse people that has to try and look clever, 9 out of ten of which fall flat on their face and look a total buffoon - Unfortunately you're not the one out of ten.
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All the things you say in this rant are in your head. I only added what I felt was a valid comment in my opinion.




And if you examine the acroynm VAR, you'll find it stands for Video ASSISTANT REFEREE, who I am lead to believe is a flesh and blood humanoid, not a robot (although you could be excused for thinking he was), therefore not the technological element of the system.
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So? I havent suggested otherwise. How is this relevant to what I said? Why are you telling me this? I am aware of all this and I don't see what relevance it carries.

posted on 10/7/20

Perhaps you'd like to lobby the League and FA to have it renamed Video Camera Technology, to make you're lame attempt to look smart, a little more creditable than it actually was!
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Why would I want to do that? It's like you're replying to someone else. You can stop digging anytime you want.

posted on 10/7/20

comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 26 minutes ago
Perhaps you'd like to lobby the League and FA to have it renamed Video Camera Technology, to make you're lame attempt to look smart, a little more creditable than it actually was!
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Why would I want to do that? It's like you're replying to someone else. You can stop digging anytime you want.

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You're the one who's got so badly mixed up in this in your attempted 15 minutes of fame - you can stop wriggling any time you want!

You tried being clever and it's back fired!

posted on 10/7/20

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 26 minutes ago
Perhaps you'd like to lobby the League and FA to have it renamed Video Camera Technology, to make you're lame attempt to look smart, a little more creditable than it actually was!
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Why would I want to do that? It's like you're replying to someone else. You can stop digging anytime you want.

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You're the one who's got so badly mixed up in this in your attempted 15 minutes of fame - you can stop wriggling any time you want!

You tried being clever and it's back fired!
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My comment was an honest comment. Your reply didn't even make sense and was not relevant to the point made.

That's all.

posted on 10/7/20

comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 26 minutes ago
Perhaps you'd like to lobby the League and FA to have it renamed Video Camera Technology, to make you're lame attempt to look smart, a little more creditable than it actually was!
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Why would I want to do that? It's like you're replying to someone else. You can stop digging anytime you want.

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You're the one who's got so badly mixed up in this in your attempted 15 minutes of fame - you can stop wriggling any time you want!

You tried being clever and it's back fired!
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My comment was an honest comment. Your reply didn't even make sense and was not relevant to the point made.

That's all.
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My compliments on your stoic defence on an untenable position!

posted on 10/7/20

Said the pot to the kettle.

posted on 10/7/20

comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Said the pot to the kettle.
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I wasn't the one trying to be a smart ar$ed Berkshire hunt!

posted on 10/7/20

comment by JFDI (U1657)

posted on 10/7/20

Blimey, some people really should choose their words more carefully, especially if they are going to start accusing others of being dense.

As for VAR, never wanted it, don't believe it can help and always argued against it on the old site.

I hate the fact that I don't feel I can celebrate a goal at a game anymore for fear it will be ruled out due to a lace being offside. It hasn't removed the controversy or arguments around decisions and the time added on fir it is frustrating also. Plus I believe it will lead to more controls at some point, further delays and santisation of the game.

As long as the game is played and officiated by humans there will be mistakes, and long may the game remain human, there are probably just as many teams that feel cheated by VAR as there would be those angry with ref decisions.

posted on 10/7/20

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Said the pot to the kettle.
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I wasn't the one trying to be a smart ar$ed Berkshire hunt!
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In which part of my comment am I trying to be a smart ass? It was an honest comment and your blaming of VAR won't remove the problem you are crying about because it will persist even without VAR. At least with VAR you have a chance to stop it. So yeah, I think its dense to blame VAR.

posted on 10/7/20

comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by * and Obelix - Super Duper World Euro Champ19ns (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Said the pot to the kettle.
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I wasn't the one trying to be a smart ar$ed Berkshire hunt!
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In which part of my comment am I trying to be a smart ass? It was an honest comment and your blaming of VAR won't remove the problem you are crying about because it will persist even without VAR. At least with VAR you have a chance to stop it. So yeah, I think its dense to blame VAR.
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All of it. Read everything next time.

posted on 11/7/20

Brum

Just checking...are we talking of the Utd penalty (which to my mind should have been awarded the other way as a foul)...?

Can I clarify what you mean by FIFA bringing it's admin into the global fold...where is it now (apart from morally corrupt)

I like VAR for what it is...but it's a bit too pernickety, & wants toning down on handball & offside margins

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