I do hope this match stops the idea that 343 is the best foundation system for us. It works vs. teams that either don't pressurize our CB's or don't do it well, against aggressive teams like Liverpool it won't work until we get defenders who keep their cool & regularly win 1v1's.
I have a number of things I'd have done differently before the game which were vindicated watching the game but that's the benefit of being an armchair manager. I'd have chosen a different team (with today in mind) on Sunday & that would've been a mistake so I won't criticize.
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Lampard has just been such a reactionary manager. And not even in a quick manner. Hes slow to adapt and it doesn't seem he does his homework before a match. There are simple simple things he could have done before kick off that would've made this result a lot more beneficial for us.
Liverpool had zero to play for. We made it easy for them.
Hmmm find this very reactionary after we just bashed up Utd and dominated the first 20 mins today until a screamer and a poor refereeing decision, if we had some people with end product, hopefully next season, games like this will change
I agree with him being reactionary. There's glaring exceptions, Spurs (A) springs to mind, but on the whole yeah he is.
I'm hoping he's used this season as an experimental canvas for players, systems, game management, man management, etc... seeing what sticks & looking at his calls there's an argument to say he is, patterns have emerged throughout the season to suggest as such.
Next season I'm hoping, and do believe will happen, he'll begin settling into a rhythm of consistent decisions influenced less by the last or next match. And once that happens then we can start judging him more objectively.
comment by Icarium (U1097)
posted 15 minutes ago
Lampard has just been such a reactionary manager. And not even in a quick manner. Hes slow to adapt and it doesn't seem he does his homework before a match. There are simple simple things he could have done before kick off that would've made this result a lot more beneficial for us.
Liverpool had zero to play for. We made it easy for them.
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He's a rookie manager. What happened to us say at the start of the season, "He'll make mistakes"?
Still exceeding my expectations for his first season. I'm not complaining and o believe we will be up there challenging next season.
Mount scores that header, different game.
Willian controls a ball, different game.
Ref doesn’t give a foul for a dive, different game.
Fine measures. Get rid of kepa and add one more defender and it’ll be different
He’ll be a very good coach, it’s a big stage to still be learning on and there’s a few fine margins. He also hasn’t quite got the tools he needs yet.
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 13 minutes ago
Still exceeding my expectations for his first season. I'm not complaining and o believe we will be up there challenging next season.
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^^ This.
He’ll be a very good coach
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Based on what. Arteta shows much more promise than Lampard.
Tbf to Lampard his options were limited, especially in the defensive area.
Perhaps, he could've set up the team as to offer more defensive protection ? But, then again, most of their goals were conceded due to comical defending.
Just 1 point was required to ensure CL spot. Why play it in Klop's hands ? Very naive of Lampard.
Better, turn up against Wolves, as we know they'll be up for this game !!!
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 23 minutes ago
He’ll be a very good coach, it’s a big stage to still be learning on and there’s a few fine margins. He also hasn’t quite got the tools he needs yet.
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hmm, i'd say he has quite a lot of tools at the club
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Icarium (U1097)
posted 15 minutes ago
Lampard has just been such a reactionary manager. And not even in a quick manner. Hes slow to adapt and it doesn't seem he does his homework before a match. There are simple simple things he could have done before kick off that would've made this result a lot more beneficial for us.
Liverpool had zero to play for. We made it easy for them.
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He's a rookie manager. What happened to us say at the start of the season, "He'll make mistakes"?
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That hasn't changed Brummie. But what improvement or learning have you seen from him or our club this season? You should expect some kind of improvement right? Thats not too demanding especially at a club of our stature.
We are in a decent position and thats not being ignored but what from Lampard has been inspiring to you in game?
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 23 minutes ago
He’ll be a very good coach, it’s a big stage to still be learning on and there’s a few fine margins. He also hasn’t quite got the tools he needs yet.
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hmm, i'd say he has quite a lot of tools at the club
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Most of that defence and GK need replacing asap.
Kepa has the worst record of saves in this league.
The two CB's and Alonso are playing like Sunday league players.
think i read elsewhere that kepa has let in 11 goals from the last 14 shots he has faced, and that he is having a historically bad season in terms of saves made (and really historically bad, as in one of the worst seasons since records began).
no idea if that is true, but it does suggest that you could easily be 10-15 points better off just by buying a semi-competent keeper.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 minutes ago
think i read elsewhere that kepa has let in 11 goals from the last 14 shots he has faced, and that he is having a historically bad season in terms of saves made (and really historically bad, as in one of the worst seasons since records began).
no idea if that is true, but it does suggest that you could easily be 10-15 points better off just by buying a semi-competent keeper.
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https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepers/Premier-League-Stats
Yawn, Lamps and Jody and co have been marvelous in introducing youth players, and challenging for 4th which no one really expected, didnt have a window so he had to work with what he inherited to go with losing one of the best players on the planet, all in his first year in the premier, so I really dont understand your constant agenda with how season has gone
who here wouldn't have taken playing the last game at home and win/draw we qualify for cl at the beginning of the season?
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You should concentrate on improving the defence.
Rudiger is a good defender but the others are very average. Defence wins you titles and trophies.
Lampard is a good coach but lacks the game management to change tactics during games.
I agree with Legend Osgood,this team is a work in progress,and I trust Frank and Jodie to take us forward.
The defence that started was the same defence that started against United save one change, the keeper.
I believe that was the correct thing to do, you don't change a winning team as the saying goes. "But what about the keeper?" I hear you cry, and rightly so. Well that was to be expected too, it has become practice to play reserve keepers in cup games so you expect your first choice keeper to start in a league game. Sadly I think Kepa let us down last night, I hate to see a player fail but I think he has, now he may go onto be the best keeper in the world but he isn't ready for the starting role at Chelsea right now. I had my doubts whilst hoping I was wrong and backing him to perform but sadly there was an incident I witnessed last night that drained my hope almost entirely. This is how a reporter recorded it:
With Chelsea 5-3 down in injury time, the Spaniard stayed rooted to his line as Andrew Robertson's free-kick flashed across the six-yard box.
While Virgil Van Dijk spooned the chance over at the back post, a number of Chelsea players were heard bellowing Kepa's name as they pleaded with their keeper to come and claim the cross.
Captain Cesar Azpilicueta was spotted gesturing at his compatriot while several other Blues angrily reacted towards their stopper's lack of action.
Would it have been any different with Willy in goal? No one can say for sure but what I will say is that our three goals showed that even Liverpool's defence can be got at with their defenders running into each other for one goal and allowing Pullisic to run past three of them for another, also I think if Alonso was more positive we could have created more chances. If he can't see a clear path for a ball off of his left peg he looks to play it into space with his right, and that generally means it goes back to the centre circle at least breaking down promising attacks.
I really don't think we are that far away from having a decent team and challenging, three more decent buys, a keeper, a left back and a central defender should be enough. Also.i thought our front three of Pullisic, Cho and Tammy did as well if not better than our starting front three and they weren't to shoddy.
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posted on 22/7/20
I do hope this match stops the idea that 343 is the best foundation system for us. It works vs. teams that either don't pressurize our CB's or don't do it well, against aggressive teams like Liverpool it won't work until we get defenders who keep their cool & regularly win 1v1's.
I have a number of things I'd have done differently before the game which were vindicated watching the game but that's the benefit of being an armchair manager. I'd have chosen a different team (with today in mind) on Sunday & that would've been a mistake so I won't criticize.
posted on 22/7/20
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posted on 22/7/20
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posted on 22/7/20
Lampard has just been such a reactionary manager. And not even in a quick manner. Hes slow to adapt and it doesn't seem he does his homework before a match. There are simple simple things he could have done before kick off that would've made this result a lot more beneficial for us.
Liverpool had zero to play for. We made it easy for them.
posted on 22/7/20
Hmmm find this very reactionary after we just bashed up Utd and dominated the first 20 mins today until a screamer and a poor refereeing decision, if we had some people with end product, hopefully next season, games like this will change
posted on 22/7/20
I agree with him being reactionary. There's glaring exceptions, Spurs (A) springs to mind, but on the whole yeah he is.
I'm hoping he's used this season as an experimental canvas for players, systems, game management, man management, etc... seeing what sticks & looking at his calls there's an argument to say he is, patterns have emerged throughout the season to suggest as such.
Next season I'm hoping, and do believe will happen, he'll begin settling into a rhythm of consistent decisions influenced less by the last or next match. And once that happens then we can start judging him more objectively.
posted on 22/7/20
comment by Icarium (U1097)
posted 15 minutes ago
Lampard has just been such a reactionary manager. And not even in a quick manner. Hes slow to adapt and it doesn't seem he does his homework before a match. There are simple simple things he could have done before kick off that would've made this result a lot more beneficial for us.
Liverpool had zero to play for. We made it easy for them.
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He's a rookie manager. What happened to us say at the start of the season, "He'll make mistakes"?
posted on 22/7/20
Still exceeding my expectations for his first season. I'm not complaining and o believe we will be up there challenging next season.
posted on 22/7/20
Mount scores that header, different game.
Willian controls a ball, different game.
Ref doesn’t give a foul for a dive, different game.
Fine measures. Get rid of kepa and add one more defender and it’ll be different
posted on 22/7/20
He’ll be a very good coach, it’s a big stage to still be learning on and there’s a few fine margins. He also hasn’t quite got the tools he needs yet.
posted on 22/7/20
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 13 minutes ago
Still exceeding my expectations for his first season. I'm not complaining and o believe we will be up there challenging next season.
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^^ This.
posted on 22/7/20
He’ll be a very good coach
--------------------------
Based on what. Arteta shows much more promise than Lampard.
posted on 22/7/20
Tbf to Lampard his options were limited, especially in the defensive area.
Perhaps, he could've set up the team as to offer more defensive protection ? But, then again, most of their goals were conceded due to comical defending.
Just 1 point was required to ensure CL spot. Why play it in Klop's hands ? Very naive of Lampard.
Better, turn up against Wolves, as we know they'll be up for this game !!!
posted on 22/7/20
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 23 minutes ago
He’ll be a very good coach, it’s a big stage to still be learning on and there’s a few fine margins. He also hasn’t quite got the tools he needs yet.
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hmm, i'd say he has quite a lot of tools at the club
posted on 22/7/20
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Icarium (U1097)
posted 15 minutes ago
Lampard has just been such a reactionary manager. And not even in a quick manner. Hes slow to adapt and it doesn't seem he does his homework before a match. There are simple simple things he could have done before kick off that would've made this result a lot more beneficial for us.
Liverpool had zero to play for. We made it easy for them.
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He's a rookie manager. What happened to us say at the start of the season, "He'll make mistakes"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That hasn't changed Brummie. But what improvement or learning have you seen from him or our club this season? You should expect some kind of improvement right? Thats not too demanding especially at a club of our stature.
We are in a decent position and thats not being ignored but what from Lampard has been inspiring to you in game?
posted on 22/7/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 23 minutes ago
He’ll be a very good coach, it’s a big stage to still be learning on and there’s a few fine margins. He also hasn’t quite got the tools he needs yet.
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hmm, i'd say he has quite a lot of tools at the club
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most of that defence and GK need replacing asap.
Kepa has the worst record of saves in this league.
The two CB's and Alonso are playing like Sunday league players.
posted on 23/7/20
think i read elsewhere that kepa has let in 11 goals from the last 14 shots he has faced, and that he is having a historically bad season in terms of saves made (and really historically bad, as in one of the worst seasons since records began).
no idea if that is true, but it does suggest that you could easily be 10-15 points better off just by buying a semi-competent keeper.
posted on 23/7/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 minutes ago
think i read elsewhere that kepa has let in 11 goals from the last 14 shots he has faced, and that he is having a historically bad season in terms of saves made (and really historically bad, as in one of the worst seasons since records began).
no idea if that is true, but it does suggest that you could easily be 10-15 points better off just by buying a semi-competent keeper.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepers/Premier-League-Stats
posted on 23/7/20
Yawn, Lamps and Jody and co have been marvelous in introducing youth players, and challenging for 4th which no one really expected, didnt have a window so he had to work with what he inherited to go with losing one of the best players on the planet, all in his first year in the premier, so I really dont understand your constant agenda with how season has gone
who here wouldn't have taken playing the last game at home and win/draw we qualify for cl at the beginning of the season?
posted on 23/7/20
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posted on 23/7/20
constant agenda? wut??
posted on 23/7/20
You should concentrate on improving the defence.
Rudiger is a good defender but the others are very average. Defence wins you titles and trophies.
Lampard is a good coach but lacks the game management to change tactics during games.
posted on 23/7/20
I agree with Legend Osgood,this team is a work in progress,and I trust Frank and Jodie to take us forward.
posted on 23/7/20
The defence that started was the same defence that started against United save one change, the keeper.
I believe that was the correct thing to do, you don't change a winning team as the saying goes. "But what about the keeper?" I hear you cry, and rightly so. Well that was to be expected too, it has become practice to play reserve keepers in cup games so you expect your first choice keeper to start in a league game. Sadly I think Kepa let us down last night, I hate to see a player fail but I think he has, now he may go onto be the best keeper in the world but he isn't ready for the starting role at Chelsea right now. I had my doubts whilst hoping I was wrong and backing him to perform but sadly there was an incident I witnessed last night that drained my hope almost entirely. This is how a reporter recorded it:
With Chelsea 5-3 down in injury time, the Spaniard stayed rooted to his line as Andrew Robertson's free-kick flashed across the six-yard box.
While Virgil Van Dijk spooned the chance over at the back post, a number of Chelsea players were heard bellowing Kepa's name as they pleaded with their keeper to come and claim the cross.
Captain Cesar Azpilicueta was spotted gesturing at his compatriot while several other Blues angrily reacted towards their stopper's lack of action.
Would it have been any different with Willy in goal? No one can say for sure but what I will say is that our three goals showed that even Liverpool's defence can be got at with their defenders running into each other for one goal and allowing Pullisic to run past three of them for another, also I think if Alonso was more positive we could have created more chances. If he can't see a clear path for a ball off of his left peg he looks to play it into space with his right, and that generally means it goes back to the centre circle at least breaking down promising attacks.
I really don't think we are that far away from having a decent team and challenging, three more decent buys, a keeper, a left back and a central defender should be enough. Also.i thought our front three of Pullisic, Cho and Tammy did as well if not better than our starting front three and they weren't to shoddy.
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