comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 9 minutes ago
Harry Maguire is a flop. Paid £80m for him and tomorrow they play his ex team for the battle of 4th place.
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He’s played every minute of every game.
Amongst CBs, he has the 3rd highest number of interceptions in the PL, 10th highest number of clearances, 3rd highest number of aerials won, 3rd highest number of short passes completed, 3rd highest number of long passes completed and highest number of key passes.
He’s been dispossessed five times in the league all season and has a pass completion rate of 87%, as good as Matic and better than Pogba.
If that’s a flop, then I’ve misunderstood the meaning of the word to date.
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comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 9 minutes ago
Harry Maguire is a flop. Paid £80m for him and tomorrow they play his ex team for the battle of 4th place.
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He’s played every minute of every game.
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if he plays the full match tomorrow, he'll apparently be our first outfielder to manage this since pallister, 25 years ago.
and given the ludicrous injuries to our defenders we suffer every season - continued this year of course, with tuanzebe, bailly, and jones - this alone is extremely valuable.
People knew they would struggle initially with the loss of Hazard and the transfer ban meaning they couldn’t replace him, they were massively reliant on him last year just to squeeze into the CL spots.
Most people expected a transition period under Lampard as he brought through some of the youngsters. I think most people expected them to challenge top four but eventually narrowly miss out.
It looks like they will make it and I fully expect them to beat Wolves tomorrow to secure third.
Would cap a good debut season for Lampard and a very good one if they win the cup.
Swapped Joelinton for AWB. Completely forgotten about him which shows how completely useless he’s been.
Chelsea for me with the lack of transfers, new young manager from the championship and having to rely on youth after losing the premier league’s best player last year in Hazard have massively over achieved. You’d be hard to find many fans that thought they’d be in shout for top 4 and make a cup final this season.
Similarly with Leicester. They were never in any conversations for a European finish. They’ve had a poor second half to the seasons with injuries decimating the squad but they’ve massively over achieved to reach Europe
Bruno would have made team of the year if he’d been played for the year . We’ve seen it so often when a player comes in a team’s performance improves.
Pretty good list, prob somewhat overshadowed by more recent restart as opposed to the good 2/3rds of the season lesta had where soyuncu evans ndidi etc were gr8 for example?
Im sure theres other examples. But Tarkowski Fabinho etc have had top premier league seasons, not one player in there that hasn't really.
KDB pots for me.
rest seems spot on.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
I’d also massively disagree that Chelsea have overachieved and you could argue they’ve underachieved.
3rd best squad in the league imo.
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Not at the beginning of the season. We had a load of unheard ofs and been injury ridden all year
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unheard ofs? mount and abraham had already been called up by england, and pulisic was an established international.
plenty of pundits and bookies had you as favourites for 4th, ahead of united. and that was before pogba got injured for 6 months.
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Plenty of pundits? On bbc 6 out of 20 odd had us in top 4. Think it was 22 or 24 which shows only 25% expected us to get top 4
Decent stab at that OP, interesting subject to give some thought to.
Agree with the general consensus that Chelsea haven’t overachieved, Maguire isn’t a flop and really not sure about Fabinho in there but I guess Liverpool have walked the league.
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Plenty of pundits? On bbc 6 out of 20 odd had us in top 4. Think it was 22 or 24 which shows only 25% expected us to get top 4
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if you really want me to prove that plenty of pundits and bookies had you for top 4, i can do, trust me. of course you would also see that most of them had spurs for top 3, which perhaps proves how little bookies know.
i just find this threadbare chelsea squad/forced to play the kids/huge achievement to get top 4 narrative to be very odd. bear in mind that at the beginning of this season greenwood was 17, ighalo and bruno were not at the club, and pogba was about to injure himself for most of the season.
whereas chelsea can afford to leave a £30m belgium striker on the bench and then complain about "having to play the youth". and tammy abraham's older than rashford!
i mean, this was our front 5 when we hosted liverpool this season, yet everyone seems convinced that we have a better squad than chelsea:
McTominay
Fred
Pereira
James
Rashford
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
Harry Maguire is a flop. Paid £80m for him and tomorrow they play his ex team for the battle of 4th place.
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we've conceded 16 goals fewer than last season, and have the 2rd best defence in the league, having conceded just 4 goals more than you.
he was overpriced, clearly, but only an idiot would suggest he has been a flop.
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And we can both agree and an idiot did say it
Burnley, yet again, should be in the overachievers list. Certainly ahead of Chelsea.
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I don't think Chelsea have overachieved at all, its not been a terrible season for them, its been a fairly good one if they can win the fa cup and get top 4 but not exactly overachieving. They've probably still got the 3rd most expensive squad in the league for example?
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 24 minutes ago
Burnley, yet again, should be in the overachievers list. Certainly ahead of Chelsea.
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Good shout on Burnley. Making the absolute most of their limited resources yet again
Feel free to do it don, find all these pundits. Be amazed if you found 20
Their style of play makes my eyes bleed, but they overachieve quite significantly relative to their resources.
Dyche seems to be having issues with Burnley due to their finances. Will be interesting to see if he gets offers from other prem clubs.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
Feel free to do it don, find all these pundits. Be amazed if you found 20
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i'm not trawling the internet to find you every pundit prediction, but you've already seen the bbc ones, here are the guardian ones, which are their collective choices (and they have over 20 pundits), which also give you the pre-season odds (you were joint 4th, with united):
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/31/premier-league-201920-preview-no-6-chelsea
betfred had you as 4th favourites, ahead of united:
https://www.elartedf.com/premier-league-pre-season-odds/
and this lot had you joint 4th, with united and arsenal:
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/08/09/bookmakers-odds-for-premier-league-title-relegation/
point is that claiming that "no one predicted us for top 4", or that "getting top 4 is a huge achievement" is nonsense, it's either par for the course, or a little better than expected, but not a miraculous effort.
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Their style of play makes my eyes bleed, but they overachieve quite significantly relative to their resources.
Dyche seems to be having issues with Burnley due to their finances. Will be interesting to see if he gets offers from other prem clubs.
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Well that's the thing. He's kind of become typecast as a certain type of manager, but he's kind of just been cutting his cloth accordingly for what he has to work with. For all we know, with a big budget, he could have a team playing like 2011 Barcelona! Whether anybody takes that chance is the big question
I reckon he’s likely just another big Sam. But managers like Big Sam are hugely valuable in the premier league. If I were Villa I’d be looking at Dyche. Could be their next Martin O’Neill.
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
I reckon he’s likely just another big Sam. But managers like Big Sam are hugely valuable in the premier league. If I were Villa I’d be looking at Dyche. Could be their next Martin O’Neill.
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I know it's a long time ago now, but for a time at Bolton, they were actually quite a good team to watch
*Allardyce's Bolton that is. Funnily enough, Villa came to my mind too for Dyche. Maybe it's the claret and blue link! But they have the finances to become established and move up the league
it's either par for the course, or a little better than expected, but not a miraculous effort.
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Considering Tottenham had such a poor first 1/3 of the season and have been below their usual standards and Arsenal have been so inconsistent, I think that it would be dissapointing if Chelsea didn't finish top 4.
I mean, put it this way, if Chelsea finish 5th, it will be because Lester City have finished above them. And you can't say that they have a better squad than Chelsea. finishing 4th this season considering Tottenham and Arsenal haven't done as well as usual should be expected, not considered overachievement.
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
I reckon he’s likely just another big Sam. But managers like Big Sam are hugely valuable in the premier league. If I were Villa I’d be looking at Dyche. Could be their next Martin O’Neill.
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I know it's a long time ago now, but for a time at Bolton, they were actually quite a good team to watch
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They had some half decent players around then, wasnt it the time he was caught up in the panarama stuff for tapping up scandals? along with fergies family?
Okocha Speed Nolan, even Davies were handy players for that system etc. Didnt they have a Greek euro winner too ?
Yeah they had some talented players. Giannakopoulos, Nakata and Ivan Campo to add to Inbefore’s list.
Villa have got some money and will get quite a bit for Grealish. Even if they stay up I think he’d be an option worth replacing him with.
Might be a glass ceiling with Dyche but I don’t think Villa are in any position to turn their noses up at a manager like him.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
I reckon he’s likely just another big Sam. But managers like Big Sam are hugely valuable in the premier league. If I were Villa I’d be looking at Dyche. Could be their next Martin O’Neill.
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I know it's a long time ago now, but for a time at Bolton, they were actually quite a good team to watch
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They had some half decent players around then, wasnt it the time he was caught up in the panarama stuff for tapping up scandals? along with fergies family?
Okocha Speed Nolan, even Davies were handy players for that system etc. Didnt they have a Greek euro winner too?
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Stelios? I was a big fan of his. Probably mainly because he had a habit of scoring against Arsenal!
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
Their style of play makes my eyes bleed, but they overachieve quite significantly relative to their resources.
Dyche seems to be having issues with Burnley due to their finances. Will be interesting to see if he gets offers from other prem clubs.
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I could see him at West Ham by the back end of November
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posted on 25/7/20
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 9 minutes ago
Harry Maguire is a flop. Paid £80m for him and tomorrow they play his ex team for the battle of 4th place.
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He’s played every minute of every game.
Amongst CBs, he has the 3rd highest number of interceptions in the PL, 10th highest number of clearances, 3rd highest number of aerials won, 3rd highest number of short passes completed, 3rd highest number of long passes completed and highest number of key passes.
He’s been dispossessed five times in the league all season and has a pass completion rate of 87%, as good as Matic and better than Pogba.
If that’s a flop, then I’ve misunderstood the meaning of the word to date.
posted on 25/7/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 9 minutes ago
Harry Maguire is a flop. Paid £80m for him and tomorrow they play his ex team for the battle of 4th place.
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He’s played every minute of every game.
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if he plays the full match tomorrow, he'll apparently be our first outfielder to manage this since pallister, 25 years ago.
and given the ludicrous injuries to our defenders we suffer every season - continued this year of course, with tuanzebe, bailly, and jones - this alone is extremely valuable.
posted on 25/7/20
People knew they would struggle initially with the loss of Hazard and the transfer ban meaning they couldn’t replace him, they were massively reliant on him last year just to squeeze into the CL spots.
Most people expected a transition period under Lampard as he brought through some of the youngsters. I think most people expected them to challenge top four but eventually narrowly miss out.
It looks like they will make it and I fully expect them to beat Wolves tomorrow to secure third.
Would cap a good debut season for Lampard and a very good one if they win the cup.
posted on 25/7/20
Swapped Joelinton for AWB. Completely forgotten about him which shows how completely useless he’s been.
Chelsea for me with the lack of transfers, new young manager from the championship and having to rely on youth after losing the premier league’s best player last year in Hazard have massively over achieved. You’d be hard to find many fans that thought they’d be in shout for top 4 and make a cup final this season.
Similarly with Leicester. They were never in any conversations for a European finish. They’ve had a poor second half to the seasons with injuries decimating the squad but they’ve massively over achieved to reach Europe
Bruno would have made team of the year if he’d been played for the year . We’ve seen it so often when a player comes in a team’s performance improves.
posted on 25/7/20
Pretty good list, prob somewhat overshadowed by more recent restart as opposed to the good 2/3rds of the season lesta had where soyuncu evans ndidi etc were gr8 for example?
Im sure theres other examples. But Tarkowski Fabinho etc have had top premier league seasons, not one player in there that hasn't really.
KDB pots for me.
rest seems spot on.
posted on 25/7/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
I’d also massively disagree that Chelsea have overachieved and you could argue they’ve underachieved.
3rd best squad in the league imo.
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Not at the beginning of the season. We had a load of unheard ofs and been injury ridden all year
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unheard ofs? mount and abraham had already been called up by england, and pulisic was an established international.
plenty of pundits and bookies had you as favourites for 4th, ahead of united. and that was before pogba got injured for 6 months.
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Plenty of pundits? On bbc 6 out of 20 odd had us in top 4. Think it was 22 or 24 which shows only 25% expected us to get top 4
posted on 25/7/20
Decent stab at that OP, interesting subject to give some thought to.
Agree with the general consensus that Chelsea haven’t overachieved, Maguire isn’t a flop and really not sure about Fabinho in there but I guess Liverpool have walked the league.
posted on 25/7/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
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Plenty of pundits? On bbc 6 out of 20 odd had us in top 4. Think it was 22 or 24 which shows only 25% expected us to get top 4
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if you really want me to prove that plenty of pundits and bookies had you for top 4, i can do, trust me. of course you would also see that most of them had spurs for top 3, which perhaps proves how little bookies know.
i just find this threadbare chelsea squad/forced to play the kids/huge achievement to get top 4 narrative to be very odd. bear in mind that at the beginning of this season greenwood was 17, ighalo and bruno were not at the club, and pogba was about to injure himself for most of the season.
whereas chelsea can afford to leave a £30m belgium striker on the bench and then complain about "having to play the youth". and tammy abraham's older than rashford!
i mean, this was our front 5 when we hosted liverpool this season, yet everyone seems convinced that we have a better squad than chelsea:
McTominay
Fred
Pereira
James
Rashford
posted on 25/7/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by (K̇ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
Harry Maguire is a flop. Paid £80m for him and tomorrow they play his ex team for the battle of 4th place.
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we've conceded 16 goals fewer than last season, and have the 2rd best defence in the league, having conceded just 4 goals more than you.
he was overpriced, clearly, but only an idiot would suggest he has been a flop.
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And we can both agree and an idiot did say it
posted on 25/7/20
Burnley, yet again, should be in the overachievers list. Certainly ahead of Chelsea.
posted on 25/7/20
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posted on 25/7/20
I don't think Chelsea have overachieved at all, its not been a terrible season for them, its been a fairly good one if they can win the fa cup and get top 4 but not exactly overachieving. They've probably still got the 3rd most expensive squad in the league for example?
posted on 25/7/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 24 minutes ago
Burnley, yet again, should be in the overachievers list. Certainly ahead of Chelsea.
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Good shout on Burnley. Making the absolute most of their limited resources yet again
posted on 25/7/20
Feel free to do it don, find all these pundits. Be amazed if you found 20
posted on 25/7/20
Their style of play makes my eyes bleed, but they overachieve quite significantly relative to their resources.
Dyche seems to be having issues with Burnley due to their finances. Will be interesting to see if he gets offers from other prem clubs.
posted on 25/7/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
Feel free to do it don, find all these pundits. Be amazed if you found 20
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i'm not trawling the internet to find you every pundit prediction, but you've already seen the bbc ones, here are the guardian ones, which are their collective choices (and they have over 20 pundits), which also give you the pre-season odds (you were joint 4th, with united):
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/31/premier-league-201920-preview-no-6-chelsea
betfred had you as 4th favourites, ahead of united:
https://www.elartedf.com/premier-league-pre-season-odds/
and this lot had you joint 4th, with united and arsenal:
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/08/09/bookmakers-odds-for-premier-league-title-relegation/
point is that claiming that "no one predicted us for top 4", or that "getting top 4 is a huge achievement" is nonsense, it's either par for the course, or a little better than expected, but not a miraculous effort.
posted on 25/7/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Their style of play makes my eyes bleed, but they overachieve quite significantly relative to their resources.
Dyche seems to be having issues with Burnley due to their finances. Will be interesting to see if he gets offers from other prem clubs.
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Well that's the thing. He's kind of become typecast as a certain type of manager, but he's kind of just been cutting his cloth accordingly for what he has to work with. For all we know, with a big budget, he could have a team playing like 2011 Barcelona! Whether anybody takes that chance is the big question
posted on 25/7/20
I reckon he’s likely just another big Sam. But managers like Big Sam are hugely valuable in the premier league. If I were Villa I’d be looking at Dyche. Could be their next Martin O’Neill.
posted on 25/7/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
I reckon he’s likely just another big Sam. But managers like Big Sam are hugely valuable in the premier league. If I were Villa I’d be looking at Dyche. Could be their next Martin O’Neill.
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I know it's a long time ago now, but for a time at Bolton, they were actually quite a good team to watch
posted on 25/7/20
*Allardyce's Bolton that is. Funnily enough, Villa came to my mind too for Dyche. Maybe it's the claret and blue link! But they have the finances to become established and move up the league
posted on 25/7/20
it's either par for the course, or a little better than expected, but not a miraculous effort.
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Considering Tottenham had such a poor first 1/3 of the season and have been below their usual standards and Arsenal have been so inconsistent, I think that it would be dissapointing if Chelsea didn't finish top 4.
I mean, put it this way, if Chelsea finish 5th, it will be because Lester City have finished above them. And you can't say that they have a better squad than Chelsea. finishing 4th this season considering Tottenham and Arsenal haven't done as well as usual should be expected, not considered overachievement.
posted on 25/7/20
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
I reckon he’s likely just another big Sam. But managers like Big Sam are hugely valuable in the premier league. If I were Villa I’d be looking at Dyche. Could be their next Martin O’Neill.
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I know it's a long time ago now, but for a time at Bolton, they were actually quite a good team to watch
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They had some half decent players around then, wasnt it the time he was caught up in the panarama stuff for tapping up scandals? along with fergies family?
Okocha Speed Nolan, even Davies were handy players for that system etc. Didnt they have a Greek euro winner too ?
posted on 25/7/20
Yeah they had some talented players. Giannakopoulos, Nakata and Ivan Campo to add to Inbefore’s list.
Villa have got some money and will get quite a bit for Grealish. Even if they stay up I think he’d be an option worth replacing him with.
Might be a glass ceiling with Dyche but I don’t think Villa are in any position to turn their noses up at a manager like him.
posted on 25/7/20
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
I reckon he’s likely just another big Sam. But managers like Big Sam are hugely valuable in the premier league. If I were Villa I’d be looking at Dyche. Could be their next Martin O’Neill.
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I know it's a long time ago now, but for a time at Bolton, they were actually quite a good team to watch
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They had some half decent players around then, wasnt it the time he was caught up in the panarama stuff for tapping up scandals? along with fergies family?
Okocha Speed Nolan, even Davies were handy players for that system etc. Didnt they have a Greek euro winner too?
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Stelios? I was a big fan of his. Probably mainly because he had a habit of scoring against Arsenal!
posted on 25/7/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
Their style of play makes my eyes bleed, but they overachieve quite significantly relative to their resources.
Dyche seems to be having issues with Burnley due to their finances. Will be interesting to see if he gets offers from other prem clubs.
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I could see him at West Ham by the back end of November
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