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posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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They wouldn’t. On the whole we’re a pretty patient bunch, bar the knobheads who couldn’t give Sarri any credit.
Lampard has done better than most of us expected. Of course he’s got a bit of extra praise because he’s a club legend but it doesn’t mean another manager would be sh’t on.
Imagine United sold Pogba and didn’t buy Maguire and AWB last summer. Then imagine they didn’t sign Fernandes in January. That’s basically the equivalent of what Lampard came into.
Of course we got Pulisic but then most people were laughing at his signing until he forced them to shut up. Another plus for Lampard this season.
But that’s a lot of people. Chelsea fans have given shiiiiit to all their managers for failing to meet their very high expectations. And there seems to be a general agreement that none of the sackings have been unfair. Despite them achieving pretty bloody good results.
I understand there’s context, but this is probably one of the worst Chelsea teams in the Abramovich era. Everyone else being shiiiiit doesn’t really change that. Chelsea fans wouldn’t be so forgiving if it was a manager that had no attachment to the club.
But that’s a lot of people. Chelsea fans have given shiiiiit to all their managers for failing to meet their very high expectations. And there seems to be a general agreement that none of the sackings have been unfair. Despite them achieving pretty bloody good results.
I understand there’s context, but this is probably one of the worst Chelsea teams in the Abramovich era. Everyone else being shiiiiit doesn’t really change that. Chelsea fans wouldn’t be so forgiving if it was a manager that had no attachment to the club.
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Fundamental lack of context in the first paragraph. Grant, Scolari & AVB given sh!t in a VERY different era, Benitez for reasons 100% not related to results, and Sarri almost solely for perceived bad treatment of two academy players/fix that & everything else is minor.
You're underestimating how badly the fanbase wanted to see this academy utilized. How sick we'd grown of seeing top talent like KDB/Salah slip through our fingers, others left to drift or be swallowed by a loan system designed to increase their value rather than develop them for the first team, and the trade of being pointless filler garbage signings like Drinkwater & Zappacosta. Any manager, doesn't matter who, that stuck their necks out (on the chopping block) for some of these guys by trusting them would've instantaneously gained sizable cult support - that quickly & effortlessly.
Whether or not another manager under these circumstances (transfer ban, Hazard sell) would've been given a pass had he not opted for trusting these players like Lampard has? Now that's a good question... and I'm gunna guess no.
I don’t think there’s a lack of context. See Sarri and Conte if you want to talk about different eras.
I understand where you are coming from with your points. But I just do not agree than another manager that is not named Frank Lampard would be treated the same. It’s just never gonna happen as they’ll never have the same amount of love from the fans. That’s undeniable. And you see it with United as well. We’re shiiiiit and if we had a different manager doing the same job they’d get slaughtered. But the current one doesn’t because he’s loved by the fans. That will always blind people. And when these managers are no longer managing these two clubs people will change their tune.
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They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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I think it has been a 7/10 season which puts it in the good category for me rather than the great.
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s a lack of context. See Sarri and Conte if you want to talk about different eras.
I understand where you are coming from with your points. But I just do not agree than another manager that is not named Frank Lampard would be treated the same. It’s just never gonna happen as they’ll never have the same amount of love from the fans. That’s undeniable. And you see it with United as well. We’re shiiiiit and if we had a different manager doing the same job they’d get slaughtered. But the current one doesn’t because he’s loved by the fans. That will always blind people. And when these managers are no longer managing these two clubs people will change their tune.
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Arab out of interest if you think that Chelsea fans have given Lampard a pass this season then you're definitely insinuating that we've underachieved this season. I'm genuinely interested then to know where you think we should have finished this season with this squad?
Personally I think that getting a CL spot is the ceiling of what we could have achieved this season unless you expected us to compete with Liverpool and City??
In the Cup competitions we've done very well. We got to the FA Cup Final beating Liverpool, Man Utd and Leicester to get to the Final. In the Final itself our luck evaporated with Pulisic and Azpi both getting injured as well as a horror show referee performance otherwise we might have even added the FA Cup to the list of achievements.
In the CL we progressed nicely until we came up against Baywrn who have been blowing everyone out of the water this season and who might go on to win the CL.
So if you think we should have done much better than that with this current squad as they are right now then all I can say is that I fundamentally disagree with you.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 11 hours, 43 minutes ago
Lampard deserves credit but as does Sarri.
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The Sarri problem with Chelsea fans is playing out again with Juventus fans. He simply does not have the ability to engage with the fans. He is the opposite of Klopp in this regard.
I think that is a real shame, i liked him too, i thought he spoke a lot of sense in his pressers and i think he used CHO perfectly tbh. Having said that, i am not sure if i can ever buy in to his footballing philosophy as i am a fan who lives for indidual talent.
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 11 hours, 42 minutes ago
Manc Python is an absolute beeellend, but he’s right that it Lampard wasn’t a legend he’d be getting a lot of shiiiit.
Chelsea have very high standards, and despite the difficulties Chelsea haven’t performed at a high standard this season.
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No they havn't, but at the start of the season the majority of fans did not expect them too. Expectations rose slightly during the season.
Sarri was brought in as an accomplished manager whilst Lampard was brought in as a novice manager. I won't deny having a legend status helps him, but give us fans the credit for being intelligent enough to recognise we were not going to be playing total football this season.
Tbf he has a point, Lampard has undeniably been given more patience than other managers.
How the fans treated Sarri last year was often disgraceful in my opinion...
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 10 hours, 58 minutes ago
They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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The facts of this season are this:
Transfer ban
Sold Hazard
Kante hardly available due to injury and when he was available he was often below par
Injuries to RLC who was influential for Sarri in the last season run in
Inducting players like Mount, James, Abraham into the starting line up and introducing players like Gilmour and Tomori.
The outcome was 6 points less than Sarri (9% diff). Given the above I think that is more than acceptable.
I think the main difference about us signing an accomplished manager versus Lampard as manager is that had we failed to qualify for the CL, then very few would have been calling for Lampard's head, but many fans would have been calling for the accomplished manager's head.
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tbf he has a point, Lampard has undeniably been given more patience than other managers.
How the fans treated Sarri last year was often disgraceful in my opinion...
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More on mainstream social media tbf which is full of feckin juvenile idiots, but i agree with you about the criticism of Sarri and the boring Kante/Jorghino debate which was a feckin media hatchet jobl
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comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s a lack of context. See Sarri and Conte if you want to talk about different eras.
I understand where you are coming from with your points. But I just do not agree than another manager that is not named Frank Lampard would be treated the same. It’s just never gonna happen as they’ll never have the same amount of love from the fans. That’s undeniable. And you see it with United as well. We’re shiiiiit and if we had a different manager doing the same job they’d get slaughtered. But the current one doesn’t because he’s loved by the fans. That will always blind people. And when these managers are no longer managing these two clubs people will change their tune.
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Arab out of interest if you think that Chelsea fans have given Lampard a pass this season then you're definitely insinuating that we've underachieved this season. I'm genuinely interested then to know where you think we should have finished this season with this squad?
Personally I think that getting a CL spot is the ceiling of what we could have achieved this season unless you expected us to compete with Liverpool and City??
In the Cup competitions we've done very well. We got to the FA Cup Final beating Liverpool, Man Utd and Leicester to get to the Final. In the Final itself our luck evaporated with Pulisic and Azpi both getting injured as well as a horror show referee performance otherwise we might have even added the FA Cup to the list of achievements.
In the CL we progressed nicely until we came up against Baywrn who have been blowing everyone out of the water this season and who might go on to win the CL.
So if you think we should have done much better than that with this current squad as they are right now then all I can say is that I fundamentally disagree with you.
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It also suggest that Man U should have won the PL
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 8 hours, 43 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s a lack of context. See Sarri and Conte if you want to talk about different eras.
I understand where you are coming from with your points. But I just do not agree than another manager that is not named Frank Lampard would be treated the same. It’s just never gonna happen as they’ll never have the same amount of love from the fans. That’s undeniable. And you see it with United as well. We’re shiiiiit and if we had a different manager doing the same job they’d get slaughtered. But the current one doesn’t because he’s loved by the fans. That will always blind people. And when these managers are no longer managing these two clubs people will change their tune.
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In what way can you compare managers like Sarri and Conte to Lampard ffs
I might as well compare Pep;s managerial ability to my 11 year old son <laugh.
Arab...why are you not comparing Lampard to Ole? a much more sensible comparison and here are the facts:
Ole began his coaching career in July 2007 at United and took his first 1st team managerial role in Jan 2011.
Lampard started his coaching career in July 2017 and took his first 1st team managerial role in May 2018.
So what exactly is the United fans take on Ole,s season, who has a much larger squad that has seen huge spending over recent seasons including this one just gone
The Lampard legend argument is mostly a red herring. He is getting leeway from us because we know he is a novice manager and we know he is trying to implement a fundamental change in the club's philosophy whilst keep the club competitive.
This season he achieved that.
I’m not Arab. The legend status isn’t a red herring, you said it yourself that an accomplishment manager would have his head called for whereas Lampard wouldn’t.
I think we’ve had a poor season. I could say we finished third and not many expected that at the start, therefore, we’ve overachieved. But that would ignore the context of the season and how badly we’ve played tor a lot of it.
And the same applies to Chelsea. This has been the poorest premier league standard for a hell of a long time. Had Chelsea not got top four it would have been underachieving. As it is they’re probably par for where they should be given the state of other teams.
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
I’m not Arab. The legend status isn’t a red herring, you said it yourself that an accomplishment manager would have his head called for whereas Lampard wouldn’t.
I think we’ve had a poor season. I could say we finished third and not many expected that at the start, therefore, we’ve overachieved. But that would ignore the context of the season and how badly we’ve played tor a lot of it.
And the same applies to Chelsea. This has been the poorest premier league standard for a hell of a long time. Had Chelsea not got top four it would have been underachieving. As it is they’re probably par for where they should be given the state of other teams.
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I said its mostly a red herring. The scope for leaway is his inexperience. We have sacked legends like DiMatteo and Zola without a whimper from the fans. You have your view fair enough but I don't think you are right. The many Chelsea fans I speak to, those who are not yet impressed with Frank are patient with him because they recognise he is learning his trade, not because of his playing history
But his Chelsea career has an influence. Another manager would not get the same patience. There’s not actually anything wrong with that, I just don’t know why people are trying to deny it. Legend status always has, and always will, get managers more leeway with the fans.
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
But his Chelsea career has an influence. Another manager would not get the same patience. There’s not actually anything wrong with that, I just don’t know why people are trying to deny it. Legend status always has, and always will, get managers more leeway with the fans.
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It helps, but it is not the reason why Chelsea fans are happy with him so far and that the season exceeded our expectations
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comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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They wouldn’t. On the whole we’re a pretty patient bunch, bar the knobheads who couldn’t give Sarri any credit.
Lampard has done better than most of us expected. Of course he’s got a bit of extra praise because he’s a club legend but it doesn’t mean another manager would be sh’t on.
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Imagine United sold Pogba and didn’t buy Maguire and AWB last summer. Then imagine they didn’t sign Fernandes in January. That’s basically the equivalent of what Lampard came into.
Of course we got Pulisic but then most people were laughing at his signing until he forced them to shut up. Another plus for Lampard this season.
posted on 2/8/20
But that’s a lot of people. Chelsea fans have given shiiiiit to all their managers for failing to meet their very high expectations. And there seems to be a general agreement that none of the sackings have been unfair. Despite them achieving pretty bloody good results.
I understand there’s context, but this is probably one of the worst Chelsea teams in the Abramovich era. Everyone else being shiiiiit doesn’t really change that. Chelsea fans wouldn’t be so forgiving if it was a manager that had no attachment to the club.
posted on 2/8/20
But that’s a lot of people. Chelsea fans have given shiiiiit to all their managers for failing to meet their very high expectations. And there seems to be a general agreement that none of the sackings have been unfair. Despite them achieving pretty bloody good results.
I understand there’s context, but this is probably one of the worst Chelsea teams in the Abramovich era. Everyone else being shiiiiit doesn’t really change that. Chelsea fans wouldn’t be so forgiving if it was a manager that had no attachment to the club.
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Fundamental lack of context in the first paragraph. Grant, Scolari & AVB given sh!t in a VERY different era, Benitez for reasons 100% not related to results, and Sarri almost solely for perceived bad treatment of two academy players/fix that & everything else is minor.
You're underestimating how badly the fanbase wanted to see this academy utilized. How sick we'd grown of seeing top talent like KDB/Salah slip through our fingers, others left to drift or be swallowed by a loan system designed to increase their value rather than develop them for the first team, and the trade of being pointless filler garbage signings like Drinkwater & Zappacosta. Any manager, doesn't matter who, that stuck their necks out (on the chopping block) for some of these guys by trusting them would've instantaneously gained sizable cult support - that quickly & effortlessly.
Whether or not another manager under these circumstances (transfer ban, Hazard sell) would've been given a pass had he not opted for trusting these players like Lampard has? Now that's a good question... and I'm gunna guess no.
posted on 2/8/20
I don’t think there’s a lack of context. See Sarri and Conte if you want to talk about different eras.
I understand where you are coming from with your points. But I just do not agree than another manager that is not named Frank Lampard would be treated the same. It’s just never gonna happen as they’ll never have the same amount of love from the fans. That’s undeniable. And you see it with United as well. We’re shiiiiit and if we had a different manager doing the same job they’d get slaughtered. But the current one doesn’t because he’s loved by the fans. That will always blind people. And when these managers are no longer managing these two clubs people will change their tune.
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comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
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comment by Manc Python (U17527)
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comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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I hope you get coronavirus.
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Not gonna happen. Here for the long term you little cumstain
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comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
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They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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I hope you get coronavirus.
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posted on 2/8/20
I think it has been a 7/10 season which puts it in the good category for me rather than the great.
posted on 2/8/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s a lack of context. See Sarri and Conte if you want to talk about different eras.
I understand where you are coming from with your points. But I just do not agree than another manager that is not named Frank Lampard would be treated the same. It’s just never gonna happen as they’ll never have the same amount of love from the fans. That’s undeniable. And you see it with United as well. We’re shiiiiit and if we had a different manager doing the same job they’d get slaughtered. But the current one doesn’t because he’s loved by the fans. That will always blind people. And when these managers are no longer managing these two clubs people will change their tune.
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Arab out of interest if you think that Chelsea fans have given Lampard a pass this season then you're definitely insinuating that we've underachieved this season. I'm genuinely interested then to know where you think we should have finished this season with this squad?
Personally I think that getting a CL spot is the ceiling of what we could have achieved this season unless you expected us to compete with Liverpool and City??
In the Cup competitions we've done very well. We got to the FA Cup Final beating Liverpool, Man Utd and Leicester to get to the Final. In the Final itself our luck evaporated with Pulisic and Azpi both getting injured as well as a horror show referee performance otherwise we might have even added the FA Cup to the list of achievements.
In the CL we progressed nicely until we came up against Baywrn who have been blowing everyone out of the water this season and who might go on to win the CL.
So if you think we should have done much better than that with this current squad as they are right now then all I can say is that I fundamentally disagree with you.
posted on 2/8/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 11 hours, 43 minutes ago
Lampard deserves credit but as does Sarri.
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Lemme stress I had no problem with Sarri, but many Chelsea fans did & I'm arguing their case - doing my DA thing
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The Sarri problem with Chelsea fans is playing out again with Juventus fans. He simply does not have the ability to engage with the fans. He is the opposite of Klopp in this regard.
I think that is a real shame, i liked him too, i thought he spoke a lot of sense in his pressers and i think he used CHO perfectly tbh. Having said that, i am not sure if i can ever buy in to his footballing philosophy as i am a fan who lives for indidual talent.
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comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 11 hours, 42 minutes ago
Manc Python is an absolute beeellend, but he’s right that it Lampard wasn’t a legend he’d be getting a lot of shiiiit.
Chelsea have very high standards, and despite the difficulties Chelsea haven’t performed at a high standard this season.
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No they havn't, but at the start of the season the majority of fans did not expect them too. Expectations rose slightly during the season.
Sarri was brought in as an accomplished manager whilst Lampard was brought in as a novice manager. I won't deny having a legend status helps him, but give us fans the credit for being intelligent enough to recognise we were not going to be playing total football this season.
posted on 2/8/20
Tbf he has a point, Lampard has undeniably been given more patience than other managers.
How the fans treated Sarri last year was often disgraceful in my opinion...
posted on 2/8/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 10 hours, 58 minutes ago
They would if it was a different manager, because the performances and results have been pretty shiiiiit. Getting top four isn’t much of an achievement given how bad everyone has been. I don’t think Lampard’s done anything particularly impressive with this Chelsea team.
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The facts of this season are this:
Transfer ban
Sold Hazard
Kante hardly available due to injury and when he was available he was often below par
Injuries to RLC who was influential for Sarri in the last season run in
Inducting players like Mount, James, Abraham into the starting line up and introducing players like Gilmour and Tomori.
The outcome was 6 points less than Sarri (9% diff). Given the above I think that is more than acceptable.
I think the main difference about us signing an accomplished manager versus Lampard as manager is that had we failed to qualify for the CL, then very few would have been calling for Lampard's head, but many fans would have been calling for the accomplished manager's head.
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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tbf he has a point, Lampard has undeniably been given more patience than other managers.
How the fans treated Sarri last year was often disgraceful in my opinion...
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More on mainstream social media tbf which is full of feckin juvenile idiots, but i agree with you about the criticism of Sarri and the boring Kante/Jorghino debate which was a feckin media hatchet jobl
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comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s a lack of context. See Sarri and Conte if you want to talk about different eras.
I understand where you are coming from with your points. But I just do not agree than another manager that is not named Frank Lampard would be treated the same. It’s just never gonna happen as they’ll never have the same amount of love from the fans. That’s undeniable. And you see it with United as well. We’re shiiiiit and if we had a different manager doing the same job they’d get slaughtered. But the current one doesn’t because he’s loved by the fans. That will always blind people. And when these managers are no longer managing these two clubs people will change their tune.
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Arab out of interest if you think that Chelsea fans have given Lampard a pass this season then you're definitely insinuating that we've underachieved this season. I'm genuinely interested then to know where you think we should have finished this season with this squad?
Personally I think that getting a CL spot is the ceiling of what we could have achieved this season unless you expected us to compete with Liverpool and City??
In the Cup competitions we've done very well. We got to the FA Cup Final beating Liverpool, Man Utd and Leicester to get to the Final. In the Final itself our luck evaporated with Pulisic and Azpi both getting injured as well as a horror show referee performance otherwise we might have even added the FA Cup to the list of achievements.
In the CL we progressed nicely until we came up against Baywrn who have been blowing everyone out of the water this season and who might go on to win the CL.
So if you think we should have done much better than that with this current squad as they are right now then all I can say is that I fundamentally disagree with you.
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It also suggest that Man U should have won the PL
posted on 2/8/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 8 hours, 43 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s a lack of context. See Sarri and Conte if you want to talk about different eras.
I understand where you are coming from with your points. But I just do not agree than another manager that is not named Frank Lampard would be treated the same. It’s just never gonna happen as they’ll never have the same amount of love from the fans. That’s undeniable. And you see it with United as well. We’re shiiiiit and if we had a different manager doing the same job they’d get slaughtered. But the current one doesn’t because he’s loved by the fans. That will always blind people. And when these managers are no longer managing these two clubs people will change their tune.
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In what way can you compare managers like Sarri and Conte to Lampard ffs
posted on 2/8/20
I might as well compare Pep;s managerial ability to my 11 year old son <laugh.
posted on 2/8/20
Arab...why are you not comparing Lampard to Ole? a much more sensible comparison and here are the facts:
Ole began his coaching career in July 2007 at United and took his first 1st team managerial role in Jan 2011.
Lampard started his coaching career in July 2017 and took his first 1st team managerial role in May 2018.
So what exactly is the United fans take on Ole,s season, who has a much larger squad that has seen huge spending over recent seasons including this one just gone
posted on 2/8/20
The Lampard legend argument is mostly a red herring. He is getting leeway from us because we know he is a novice manager and we know he is trying to implement a fundamental change in the club's philosophy whilst keep the club competitive.
This season he achieved that.
posted on 2/8/20
I’m not Arab. The legend status isn’t a red herring, you said it yourself that an accomplishment manager would have his head called for whereas Lampard wouldn’t.
I think we’ve had a poor season. I could say we finished third and not many expected that at the start, therefore, we’ve overachieved. But that would ignore the context of the season and how badly we’ve played tor a lot of it.
And the same applies to Chelsea. This has been the poorest premier league standard for a hell of a long time. Had Chelsea not got top four it would have been underachieving. As it is they’re probably par for where they should be given the state of other teams.
posted on 2/8/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
I’m not Arab. The legend status isn’t a red herring, you said it yourself that an accomplishment manager would have his head called for whereas Lampard wouldn’t.
I think we’ve had a poor season. I could say we finished third and not many expected that at the start, therefore, we’ve overachieved. But that would ignore the context of the season and how badly we’ve played tor a lot of it.
And the same applies to Chelsea. This has been the poorest premier league standard for a hell of a long time. Had Chelsea not got top four it would have been underachieving. As it is they’re probably par for where they should be given the state of other teams.
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I said its mostly a red herring. The scope for leaway is his inexperience. We have sacked legends like DiMatteo and Zola without a whimper from the fans. You have your view fair enough but I don't think you are right. The many Chelsea fans I speak to, those who are not yet impressed with Frank are patient with him because they recognise he is learning his trade, not because of his playing history
posted on 2/8/20
But his Chelsea career has an influence. Another manager would not get the same patience. There’s not actually anything wrong with that, I just don’t know why people are trying to deny it. Legend status always has, and always will, get managers more leeway with the fans.
posted on 2/8/20
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
But his Chelsea career has an influence. Another manager would not get the same patience. There’s not actually anything wrong with that, I just don’t know why people are trying to deny it. Legend status always has, and always will, get managers more leeway with the fans.
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It helps, but it is not the reason why Chelsea fans are happy with him so far and that the season exceeded our expectations
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