Lol under normal circumstances Jose would’ve been sacked earlier in 2015, like after the Southampton game
The fact he stayed a lot later was the club being extra patient with him. We were like 16th in the table nearly halfway through the season. At some point enough is enough.
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comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 2 minutes ago
Answer my question. Why couldn't Chelsea give Mourinho more time?
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Because he went toxic...ffs
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posted 40 minutes ago
Lol under normal circumstances Jose would’ve been sacked earlier in 2015, like after the Southampton game
The fact he stayed a lot later was the club being extra patient with him. We were like 16th in the table nearly halfway through the season. At some point enough is enough.
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Why? The guy won three titles for us, so we knew it’s not that he’s incapable. Yes he lost control of the situation, but he should have been given the chance to turn things around. 3 league titles should give you that privilege
I remember at the time people were split over the decision to sack mourinho. It was about 65-35 in terms of fans who wanted mourinho to stay (65) vs fans who wanted him fired (35)
History seems to have been rewritten now though
Nah people just realized after his time with Utd and now Spurs that the game has passed him by and those who were maybe for him staying now know it was for the best for the club.
Wahl...there really is no end to your fackwittery is there
You're talking about different clubs. All we know about Mourinho at Chelsea is that he was hugely successful with the exception of one season. We have no reason to think had we not kept Mourinho, which we should have considering the service he gave the club over many years and success he brought the club, that we wouldn't have continued to have success with him.
I've never thought you can justify Chelsea firing Mourinho. He deserved time to turn that situation around, even if that season individually couldn't be saved. He was our man, we should have stuck by him. In any case, Mourinho's position was never untenable. Never. He always wanted to be at Chelsea and he would have stayed on until the end of his career if we gave him that opportunity, which he was owed by the club but wasn't given. Chelsea fans can rewrite history and cry about various things he's said since. He wouldn't have said those things if we hadn't fired him. He would still be at Chelsea today, as in love with the club as any of you are.
My comment was in response to the numbers you threw up.
How you feel about what the club owe him or not and what the possible outcomes of keeping Jose is your opinion, right or wrong.
You don't feel the club owed him more time? In your opinion?
Do you mean like a full season? Half a season seemed long enough to tell things were getting worse rather than better.
No. He was a walking timebomb that was causing trouble throughout the players/staff/fans. I was on board with him leaving even after initially being super happy he came back. Its fine though. The club has moved on and grown since he first came to us. Its a direction thing. Branding.
You can appreciate what someone has done for the club and not feel they are owed time when they themselves are the one making sure they dont get it.
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posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
Do you mean like a full season? Half a season seemed long enough to tell things were getting worse rather than better.
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There’s no time limit, there was no reason to fire him unless he relegated us which was never going to happen realistically. Yes we were low in the table, but that form was never going to last a whole season. Eventually the team would have gotten enough points to survive, not counting the January transfers mourinho might have made.
No. He was a walking timebomb that was causing trouble throughout the players/staff/fans
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Never once disrespected the fans while he was manager. He praised them for singing his name through the difficult results. The incident with the doctor wouldn’t have blown up like it did if she wasn’t female. Ferguson threw a boot at David beckham and people got over that.
You can appreciate what someone has done for the club and not feel they are owed time when they themselves are the one making sure they dont get it
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Mourinho wanted more than anyone to turn results around. I can name three post match interviews of the top of my head where Mourinhos passion for Chelsea is clear. So your last sentence doesn’t make sense to me.
Anyway, my point is that Chelsea never had to fire mourinho. If they did, then the fans would have backed the decision, which they didn’t. The club were too hasty, his position weak never untenable or, like I said, the fans wouldn’t have been against the decision
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posted 5 hours, 23 minutes ago
Now stop asking dumbass questions about the father you never had
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Wahl Icht
There's no value debating Mourinho's ties to Chelsea with you because you're completely incapable of seeing the board and/or fans side of the break in relations. It's one thing to disagree with it, you seem fundamentally incapable of comprehending it.
Actions have consequences. Mourinho made a choice to not act like an adult while at United & lash out at Chelsea every chance he got in 16/17. Whether he felt betrayed by the board is irrelevant, he had massive sections of fans backing him more than the players on a weekly basis while in 16th, anyone with a shred of class would've buried those resentments & either spoken well of Chelsea or kept their mouth shut out of respect for those people who never lost hope. He betrayed their support, rendered it worthless for the sake of what? Winning a petty argument? Stroking his bruised ego? Making United fans, who'd eventually boo him in 6th, feel better about him? Proving his d!ck was bigger than Conte's? What?
One thing I don't get about Mourinho (and yourself) is he's always spoken about thinking/acting pragmatically & understand the nature of football when it comes to moving on, e.g. Lampard love story is over, etc... yet we have to treat him differently as a rival? If you removed all the tensions from both sides since 16/17 I'd argue Mourinho/Chelsea should be a different feeling, him respecting us & vice versa no matter who he's managing, but by his own way of thinking that shouldn't be the case - the love story is over now! So why is it OK for him to treat us like a rival (in a pragmatic way), but we have to give him respect as if he's still our manager? Fundamental lack of logic here.
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posted 9 minutes ago
Wahl Icht
There's no value debating Mourinho's ties to Chelsea with you because you're completely incapable of seeing the board and/or fans side of the break in relations. It's one thing to disagree with it, you seem fundamentally incapable of comprehending it.
Actions have consequences. Mourinho made a choice to not act like an adult while at United & lash out at Chelsea every chance he got in 16/17. Whether he felt betrayed by the board is irrelevant, he had massive sections of fans backing him more than the players on a weekly basis while in 16th, anyone with a shred of class would've buried those resentments & either spoken well of Chelsea or kept their mouth shut out of respect for those people who never lost hope. He betrayed their support, rendered it worthless for the sake of what? Winning a petty argument? Stroking his bruised ego? Making United fans, who'd eventually boo him in 6th, feel better about him? Proving his d!ck was bigger than Conte's? What?
One thing I don't get about Mourinho (and yourself) is he's always spoken about thinking/acting pragmatically & understand the nature of football when it comes to moving on, e.g. Lampard love story is over, etc... yet we have to treat him differently as a rival? If you removed all the tensions from both sides since 16/17 I'd argue Mourinho/Chelsea should be a different feeling, him respecting us & vice versa no matter who he's managing, but by his own way of thinking that shouldn't be the case - the love story is over now! So why is it OK for him to treat us like a rival (in a pragmatic way), but we have to give him respect as if he's still our manager? Fundamental lack of logic here.
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comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 6 hours, 46 minutes ago
Wahl Icht
There's no value debating Mourinho's ties to Chelsea with you because you're completely incapable of seeing the board and/or fans side of the break in relations. It's one thing to disagree with it, you seem fundamentally incapable of comprehending it.
Actions have consequences. Mourinho made a choice to not act like an adult while at United & lash out at Chelsea every chance he got in 16/17. Whether he felt betrayed by the board is irrelevant, he had massive sections of fans backing him more than the players on a weekly basis while in 16th, anyone with a shred of class would've buried those resentments & either spoken well of Chelsea or kept their mouth shut out of respect for those people who never lost hope. He betrayed their support, rendered it worthless for the sake of what? Winning a petty argument? Stroking his bruised ego? Making United fans, who'd eventually boo him in 6th, feel better about him? Proving his d!ck was bigger than Conte's? What?
One thing I don't get about Mourinho (and yourself) is he's always spoken about thinking/acting pragmatically & understand the nature of football when it comes to moving on, e.g. Lampard love story is over, etc... yet we have to treat him differently as a rival? If you removed all the tensions from both sides since 16/17 I'd argue Mourinho/Chelsea should be a different feeling, him respecting us & vice versa no matter who he's managing, but by his own way of thinking that shouldn't be the case - the love story is over now! So why is it OK for him to treat us like a rival (in a pragmatic way), but we have to give him respect as if he's still our manager? Fundamental lack of logic here.
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The break of relations between mourinho and the club was that they sacked him after he won them three titles. You can say it’s to avoid relegation, but I don’t think Chelsea would have been. I think Chelsea would have gotten enough points to avoid relegation. And at that point there is no reason to fire Mourinho because you can just start again next season.
I’m not interested in mourinho lashing out at Chelsea. He won three titles for Chelsea and was committed completely to the club. He then went through the worst period of results in his career and he was discarded by the club. If he anything less than hates Chelsea, then he’s a better man than I am. The club should have given Mourinho loyalty that he earned, but they didn’t. So if he wants to insult Chelsea, don’t blame the guy.
And if the Chelsea fans want to get personally insulted when Mourinho makes comments about the club, then that’s their problem. But I don’t see how any reasonable person couldn’t understand why Mourinho wouldn’t love Chelsea anymore given what happened to him. You’re all Chelsea fans, so you can’t really understand the idea of not loving Chelsea. But if you look at what happened from the point of view of someone who isn’t automaticAlly unconditionally supporting Chelsea, then you can see why Mourinho feels the way he does, and why he’s very justified in feeling that way.
This from the guy who said he'd never ever manage Spurs...& then sprinted to Levy's office to accept the gig, and now says he'll never leave because they are so special & unique
Wahl...you are a bit of a tool...the quicker you just accept that fact and move on with your pitiful one dimensional existence on here the better
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"can't argue with what the other person said so just insult them."
So if he wants to insult Chelsea, don’t blame the guy.
And if the Chelsea fans want to get personally insulted when Mourinho makes comments about the club, then that’s their problem. But I don’t see how any reasonable person couldn’t understand why Mourinho wouldn’t love Chelsea anymore given what happened to him. You’re all Chelsea fans, so you can’t really understand the idea of not loving Chelsea. But if you look at what happened from the point of view of someone who isn’t automaticAlly unconditionally supporting Chelsea, then you can see why Mourinho feels the way he does, and why he’s very justified in feeling that way.
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And that my friend is your problem (on this particular issue) in a nutshell.
Mourinho can insult Chelsea, that's fair game. Chelsea fan respond negatively to that? They have a problem.
I can 100% see Mourinho's POV looking at it from his selfish prospective, I don't agree with it but I can understand it, and truth be told we should've expected it from him to a degree (his ego trumps everything, we knew this even at the peak of his affinity with Chelsea). I can 100% see the fans POV seeing his lashing out as a betrayal of their support & trust against all odds, I've leaned more into that opinion over time but even when I disagreed with it early on I completely understood it.
Anyway, I won't prolong this. No-one's gunna alter your way of thinking on this topic & vice versa so it's a pointless exchange of views.
But Mourinho isn't insulting any Chelsea fans. He's not saying "Oh Devil's advocate is a cuuunt." or anything like that. If he says something negative about the club as whole, why do you take that personally?
The only comment I can think to take personally is when he said United have the best fans or something. And my reaction to that is of course he's going to say something like that, he was Man Utd manager at the time and he wants the fans to like him. Why any Chelsea fan would take a comment like that personally is beyond me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQjQeNUZO7E&t=338s
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posted on 30/9/20
Lol under normal circumstances Jose would’ve been sacked earlier in 2015, like after the Southampton game
The fact he stayed a lot later was the club being extra patient with him. We were like 16th in the table nearly halfway through the season. At some point enough is enough.
posted on 30/9/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 2 minutes ago
Answer my question. Why couldn't Chelsea give Mourinho more time?
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Because he went toxic...ffs
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correct
posted on 30/9/20
comment by CSTP (U1453)
posted 40 minutes ago
Lol under normal circumstances Jose would’ve been sacked earlier in 2015, like after the Southampton game
The fact he stayed a lot later was the club being extra patient with him. We were like 16th in the table nearly halfway through the season. At some point enough is enough.
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Why? The guy won three titles for us, so we knew it’s not that he’s incapable. Yes he lost control of the situation, but he should have been given the chance to turn things around. 3 league titles should give you that privilege
posted on 30/9/20
I remember at the time people were split over the decision to sack mourinho. It was about 65-35 in terms of fans who wanted mourinho to stay (65) vs fans who wanted him fired (35)
History seems to have been rewritten now though
posted on 30/9/20
Nah people just realized after his time with Utd and now Spurs that the game has passed him by and those who were maybe for him staying now know it was for the best for the club.
posted on 30/9/20
Wahl...there really is no end to your fackwittery is there
posted on 30/9/20
You're talking about different clubs. All we know about Mourinho at Chelsea is that he was hugely successful with the exception of one season. We have no reason to think had we not kept Mourinho, which we should have considering the service he gave the club over many years and success he brought the club, that we wouldn't have continued to have success with him.
I've never thought you can justify Chelsea firing Mourinho. He deserved time to turn that situation around, even if that season individually couldn't be saved. He was our man, we should have stuck by him. In any case, Mourinho's position was never untenable. Never. He always wanted to be at Chelsea and he would have stayed on until the end of his career if we gave him that opportunity, which he was owed by the club but wasn't given. Chelsea fans can rewrite history and cry about various things he's said since. He wouldn't have said those things if we hadn't fired him. He would still be at Chelsea today, as in love with the club as any of you are.
posted on 30/9/20
My comment was in response to the numbers you threw up.
How you feel about what the club owe him or not and what the possible outcomes of keeping Jose is your opinion, right or wrong.
posted on 30/9/20
You don't feel the club owed him more time? In your opinion?
posted on 30/9/20
Do you mean like a full season? Half a season seemed long enough to tell things were getting worse rather than better.
posted on 30/9/20
No. He was a walking timebomb that was causing trouble throughout the players/staff/fans. I was on board with him leaving even after initially being super happy he came back. Its fine though. The club has moved on and grown since he first came to us. Its a direction thing. Branding.
You can appreciate what someone has done for the club and not feel they are owed time when they themselves are the one making sure they dont get it.
posted on 30/9/20
comment by CSTP (U1453)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
Do you mean like a full season? Half a season seemed long enough to tell things were getting worse rather than better.
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There’s no time limit, there was no reason to fire him unless he relegated us which was never going to happen realistically. Yes we were low in the table, but that form was never going to last a whole season. Eventually the team would have gotten enough points to survive, not counting the January transfers mourinho might have made.
posted on 30/9/20
No. He was a walking timebomb that was causing trouble throughout the players/staff/fans
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Never once disrespected the fans while he was manager. He praised them for singing his name through the difficult results. The incident with the doctor wouldn’t have blown up like it did if she wasn’t female. Ferguson threw a boot at David beckham and people got over that.
You can appreciate what someone has done for the club and not feel they are owed time when they themselves are the one making sure they dont get it
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Mourinho wanted more than anyone to turn results around. I can name three post match interviews of the top of my head where Mourinhos passion for Chelsea is clear. So your last sentence doesn’t make sense to me.
Anyway, my point is that Chelsea never had to fire mourinho. If they did, then the fans would have backed the decision, which they didn’t. The club were too hasty, his position weak never untenable or, like I said, the fans wouldn’t have been against the decision
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comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 5 hours, 23 minutes ago
Now stop asking dumbass questions about the father you never had
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posted on 30/9/20
Wahl Icht
There's no value debating Mourinho's ties to Chelsea with you because you're completely incapable of seeing the board and/or fans side of the break in relations. It's one thing to disagree with it, you seem fundamentally incapable of comprehending it.
Actions have consequences. Mourinho made a choice to not act like an adult while at United & lash out at Chelsea every chance he got in 16/17. Whether he felt betrayed by the board is irrelevant, he had massive sections of fans backing him more than the players on a weekly basis while in 16th, anyone with a shred of class would've buried those resentments & either spoken well of Chelsea or kept their mouth shut out of respect for those people who never lost hope. He betrayed their support, rendered it worthless for the sake of what? Winning a petty argument? Stroking his bruised ego? Making United fans, who'd eventually boo him in 6th, feel better about him? Proving his d!ck was bigger than Conte's? What?
One thing I don't get about Mourinho (and yourself) is he's always spoken about thinking/acting pragmatically & understand the nature of football when it comes to moving on, e.g. Lampard love story is over, etc... yet we have to treat him differently as a rival? If you removed all the tensions from both sides since 16/17 I'd argue Mourinho/Chelsea should be a different feeling, him respecting us & vice versa no matter who he's managing, but by his own way of thinking that shouldn't be the case - the love story is over now! So why is it OK for him to treat us like a rival (in a pragmatic way), but we have to give him respect as if he's still our manager? Fundamental lack of logic here.
posted on 30/9/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 9 minutes ago
Wahl Icht
There's no value debating Mourinho's ties to Chelsea with you because you're completely incapable of seeing the board and/or fans side of the break in relations. It's one thing to disagree with it, you seem fundamentally incapable of comprehending it.
Actions have consequences. Mourinho made a choice to not act like an adult while at United & lash out at Chelsea every chance he got in 16/17. Whether he felt betrayed by the board is irrelevant, he had massive sections of fans backing him more than the players on a weekly basis while in 16th, anyone with a shred of class would've buried those resentments & either spoken well of Chelsea or kept their mouth shut out of respect for those people who never lost hope. He betrayed their support, rendered it worthless for the sake of what? Winning a petty argument? Stroking his bruised ego? Making United fans, who'd eventually boo him in 6th, feel better about him? Proving his d!ck was bigger than Conte's? What?
One thing I don't get about Mourinho (and yourself) is he's always spoken about thinking/acting pragmatically & understand the nature of football when it comes to moving on, e.g. Lampard love story is over, etc... yet we have to treat him differently as a rival? If you removed all the tensions from both sides since 16/17 I'd argue Mourinho/Chelsea should be a different feeling, him respecting us & vice versa no matter who he's managing, but by his own way of thinking that shouldn't be the case - the love story is over now! So why is it OK for him to treat us like a rival (in a pragmatic way), but we have to give him respect as if he's still our manager? Fundamental lack of logic here.
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posted on 1/10/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 6 hours, 46 minutes ago
Wahl Icht
There's no value debating Mourinho's ties to Chelsea with you because you're completely incapable of seeing the board and/or fans side of the break in relations. It's one thing to disagree with it, you seem fundamentally incapable of comprehending it.
Actions have consequences. Mourinho made a choice to not act like an adult while at United & lash out at Chelsea every chance he got in 16/17. Whether he felt betrayed by the board is irrelevant, he had massive sections of fans backing him more than the players on a weekly basis while in 16th, anyone with a shred of class would've buried those resentments & either spoken well of Chelsea or kept their mouth shut out of respect for those people who never lost hope. He betrayed their support, rendered it worthless for the sake of what? Winning a petty argument? Stroking his bruised ego? Making United fans, who'd eventually boo him in 6th, feel better about him? Proving his d!ck was bigger than Conte's? What?
One thing I don't get about Mourinho (and yourself) is he's always spoken about thinking/acting pragmatically & understand the nature of football when it comes to moving on, e.g. Lampard love story is over, etc... yet we have to treat him differently as a rival? If you removed all the tensions from both sides since 16/17 I'd argue Mourinho/Chelsea should be a different feeling, him respecting us & vice versa no matter who he's managing, but by his own way of thinking that shouldn't be the case - the love story is over now! So why is it OK for him to treat us like a rival (in a pragmatic way), but we have to give him respect as if he's still our manager? Fundamental lack of logic here.
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The break of relations between mourinho and the club was that they sacked him after he won them three titles. You can say it’s to avoid relegation, but I don’t think Chelsea would have been. I think Chelsea would have gotten enough points to avoid relegation. And at that point there is no reason to fire Mourinho because you can just start again next season.
I’m not interested in mourinho lashing out at Chelsea. He won three titles for Chelsea and was committed completely to the club. He then went through the worst period of results in his career and he was discarded by the club. If he anything less than hates Chelsea, then he’s a better man than I am. The club should have given Mourinho loyalty that he earned, but they didn’t. So if he wants to insult Chelsea, don’t blame the guy.
And if the Chelsea fans want to get personally insulted when Mourinho makes comments about the club, then that’s their problem. But I don’t see how any reasonable person couldn’t understand why Mourinho wouldn’t love Chelsea anymore given what happened to him. You’re all Chelsea fans, so you can’t really understand the idea of not loving Chelsea. But if you look at what happened from the point of view of someone who isn’t automaticAlly unconditionally supporting Chelsea, then you can see why Mourinho feels the way he does, and why he’s very justified in feeling that way.
posted on 1/10/20
This from the guy who said he'd never ever manage Spurs...& then sprinted to Levy's office to accept the gig, and now says he'll never leave because they are so special & unique
Wahl...you are a bit of a tool...the quicker you just accept that fact and move on with your pitiful one dimensional existence on here the better
posted on 1/10/20
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posted on 1/10/20
"can't argue with what the other person said so just insult them."
posted on 1/10/20
So if he wants to insult Chelsea, don’t blame the guy.
And if the Chelsea fans want to get personally insulted when Mourinho makes comments about the club, then that’s their problem. But I don’t see how any reasonable person couldn’t understand why Mourinho wouldn’t love Chelsea anymore given what happened to him. You’re all Chelsea fans, so you can’t really understand the idea of not loving Chelsea. But if you look at what happened from the point of view of someone who isn’t automaticAlly unconditionally supporting Chelsea, then you can see why Mourinho feels the way he does, and why he’s very justified in feeling that way.
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And that my friend is your problem (on this particular issue) in a nutshell.
Mourinho can insult Chelsea, that's fair game. Chelsea fan respond negatively to that? They have a problem.
I can 100% see Mourinho's POV looking at it from his selfish prospective, I don't agree with it but I can understand it, and truth be told we should've expected it from him to a degree (his ego trumps everything, we knew this even at the peak of his affinity with Chelsea). I can 100% see the fans POV seeing his lashing out as a betrayal of their support & trust against all odds, I've leaned more into that opinion over time but even when I disagreed with it early on I completely understood it.
Anyway, I won't prolong this. No-one's gunna alter your way of thinking on this topic & vice versa so it's a pointless exchange of views.
posted on 1/10/20
But Mourinho isn't insulting any Chelsea fans. He's not saying "Oh Devil's advocate is a cuuunt." or anything like that. If he says something negative about the club as whole, why do you take that personally?
The only comment I can think to take personally is when he said United have the best fans or something. And my reaction to that is of course he's going to say something like that, he was Man Utd manager at the time and he wants the fans to like him. Why any Chelsea fan would take a comment like that personally is beyond me.
posted on 1/10/20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQjQeNUZO7E&t=338s
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