we'll sell lingard, rojo, smalling, pereira, and dalot...maybe £50m the lot
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That was delusion not optimism.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 30 seconds ago
we'll sell lingard, rojo, smalling, pereira, and dalot...maybe £50m the lot
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That was delusion not optimism.
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it was warm and sunny, perfect drinking weather...perhaps the wine had something to do with it.
but i actually think that with competent executives we could have rustled up £20m for smalling and £10mish for pereira and dalot. and right now i'm sober, thanks.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 30 seconds ago
we'll sell lingard, rojo, smalling, pereira, and dalot...maybe £50m the lot
———
That was delusion not optimism.
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it was warm and sunny, perfect drinking weather...perhaps the wine had something to do with it.
but i actually think that with competent executives we could have rustled up £20m for smalling and £10mish for pereira and dalot. and right now i'm sober, thanks.
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We're probably hampered by the fact only Serie A clubs, most of whom are on a financial tightrope, want to bid for our deadwood
Is Ole putting on a brave face? Wonder if the club have asked him to say this...
"And of course, I'm very happy working with the players I've got. But also, the part of the job is to improve the squad all the time, and so far I've been backed. We are working hard to be competitive again, amongst the best"
'I think football now is different from what it was six or eight months ago, and these times are very unique. To get deals done you need to monitor a player for a long, long while, and monitor your target, and I feel the process there has been working well.'
meanwhile spurs bring in the highest scorer in portugal last season for a £3m loan fee (or half the £6m we paid just to secure ighalo for a further 6 months)
comment by Robb Pacino (U22311)
To get deals done you need to monitor a player for a long, long while, and monitor your target, and I feel the process there has been working well.'
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monitoring, yes. one of the 6 stages of grief according to woodward, see also preparing to make a bid, showing interest, leaking to the press etc etc.
by all accounts we were keen on sancho when he went to dortmund, and every year since, so is 3 years of monitoring sufficient we all ask?
comment by Robb Pacino (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
Is Ole putting on a brave face? Wonder if the club have asked him to say this...
"And of course, I'm very happy working with the players I've got. But also, the part of the job is to improve the squad all the time, and so far I've been backed. We are working hard to be competitive again, amongst the best"
'I think football now is different from what it was six or eight months ago, and these times are very unique. To get deals done you need to monitor a player for a long, long while, and monitor your target, and I feel the process there has been working well.'
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It did cross my mind. Almost sounds like it's been briefed. But I think it's possible that he's stuck with some players he doesn't want and has to try to rebuild their confidence in case they need to be called upon
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
we'll sell lingard, rojo, smalling, pereira, and dalot...maybe £50m the lot
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That was delusion not optimism.
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Absolutely. I remember wetting myself reading people’s predictions of supplementing £150M of cash to spend with an additional £50M or so from the sale of five players
Sensible people were predicting two or three buys and two or three outgoings.
Yeah you’re probably right, unfortunately we don’t have competent executives. It doesn’t help that so many of our players are injury prone and, or, have failed to show any kind of form for a while. Makes it harder to find a market.
Good move, we need to send more fringe players on loan and get them off the books.
Getting a decent fee is a bonus if they perform well
Hope it works out for Dalot, he has some attacking threat but he was always too poor positionally. Something he can work on in Italy.
comment by Robb Pacino (U22311)
posted 18 minutes ago
Is Ole putting on a brave face? Wonder if the club have asked him to say this...
"And of course, I'm very happy working with the players I've got. But also, the part of the job is to improve the squad all the time, and so far I've been backed. We are working hard to be competitive again, amongst the best"
'I think football now is different from what it was six or eight months ago, and these times are very unique. To get deals done you need to monitor a player for a long, long while, and monitor your target, and I feel the process there has been working well.'
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I think ole's had £250m to spend. plus has expensive players to work with. He can't moan too much.
I think we would have got him Haaland too if that snake Raiola wasn't his agent
The Haaland thing annoys me the most. Now, believe it or not, I’ve been wrong before but that guy is going to be superb. Already is Tbf
He can't moan too much.
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I think he can. There are clearly issues in the squad that need addressing via the transfer market and yet here we are with three days before it shuts and all we’ve brought in is a midfielder to provide depth.
comment by Robb Pacino (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
The Haaland thing annoys me the most. Now, believe it or not, I’ve been wrong before but that guy is going to be superb. Already is Tbf
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Agree with you on this Robb. He's going to be special. I said before he moved to Salzburg that we should have got rid of Lukaku and brought him in as back up/a plan. B.
Apparently only one of the seasons since SAF left have we spent over €100 million net the summer after qualifying for the CL.
Maybe the Glazers only put their hands in their pockets once CL qualification needs to be regained.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
He can't moan too much.
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I think he can. There are clearly issues in the squad that need addressing via the transfer market and yet here we are with three days before it shuts and all we’ve brought in is a midfielder to provide depth.
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We just have to wait and see what happens. If we sign Sancho then it's going to be circa 140m in one window. Possibly more with Telles. We just have to wait and see.
That’s not true, Rob. Both of Mourinho’s seasons we did. But net spend is a nonsense anyway. We still spend big money when we qualify for the CL. Stop parroting this ballacks that we don’t spend when we get into the CL, it’s quite clearly not true.
We won’t get Sancho now. But hypothetically speaking, if we do Ole’s still got grounds to moan about how we’ve managed this transfer window. The season has already bloody started, he should have his squad already.
Maybe Darren, but only one of Jose’s seasons post qualifying for the CL did we have a net spend of over €100 million.
The summer he joined (with no CL football) £137 million net
His second summer £152 million net
His third summer £52 million net
In all other post ‘CL’ qualifying summers here’s the net spend
13/14 - £75 million
15/16 - £54 million
20/21 - £35 million (though that could change)
Fight me 🤣
Ahh got Mourinho’s seasons mixed up. I don’t care about net spend as it doesn’t mean anything. The club don’t have an arbitrary net spend budget when we qualify for the CL and when we don’t.
It’s completely dependent upon how well we can sell players as well. And whether we can get deals done. We’ve clearly proven to be inept and doing both of these things. And when chasing big money signings - where money has obviously been available - and we’ve failed to get them over the line there’s no contingency plan.
Look at this summer, clearly there’s a lot of money available for transfers, otherwise we wouldn’t be chasing Sancho. By your logic we don’t actually want to spend because we qualified for the CL, instead we are just pretending.
We really, as United fans, shouldn’t talk in Net spend.!It makes us sound like the dips.
Tbf I’d imagine in the scenario I’m presenting (just riffing rather than seeing a smoking gun here), say we did spend £90 million on Sancho (as we possibly see as our ceiling for him) that and Beek would make £125 but then be taken below the mythical 100 million net spend figure by the sales of Smalling and potentially James.
Just a theory 😎
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
We really, as United fans, shouldn’t talk in Net spend.!It makes us sound like the dips.
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Tbf it’s in the opposite intention.
They talk about net spend like it’s a badge of honour. In my theory it’s more to vent at a perceived lack of commitment by the owners to really push on the summer after we make the CL. Which apart from the summer of 17 the owners haven’t really pushed the boat out financially following qualification to the CL.
It’s a ballacks theory as the club don’t operate on the basis of net spend.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
We really, as United fans, shouldn’t talk in Net spend.!It makes us sound like the dips.
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Agreed. You don't net spend on players. You buy players. Net spend is only really relevant if you are forced to sell players you wish to keep in order to fund your transfers
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 46 seconds ago
It’s a ballacks theory as the club don’t operate on the basis of net spend.
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I’m not really saying they are. Just that rather than them aiming for a certain net figure every season it just turns out less is spent in summers after we make the CL than ones we haven’t. The figures support that statement. Perhaps it’s just an unhappy coincidence.
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posted on 2/10/20
we'll sell lingard, rojo, smalling, pereira, and dalot...maybe £50m the lot
———
That was delusion not optimism.
posted on 2/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 30 seconds ago
we'll sell lingard, rojo, smalling, pereira, and dalot...maybe £50m the lot
———
That was delusion not optimism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it was warm and sunny, perfect drinking weather...perhaps the wine had something to do with it.
but i actually think that with competent executives we could have rustled up £20m for smalling and £10mish for pereira and dalot. and right now i'm sober, thanks.
posted on 2/10/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 30 seconds ago
we'll sell lingard, rojo, smalling, pereira, and dalot...maybe £50m the lot
———
That was delusion not optimism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it was warm and sunny, perfect drinking weather...perhaps the wine had something to do with it.
but i actually think that with competent executives we could have rustled up £20m for smalling and £10mish for pereira and dalot. and right now i'm sober, thanks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We're probably hampered by the fact only Serie A clubs, most of whom are on a financial tightrope, want to bid for our deadwood
posted on 2/10/20
Is Ole putting on a brave face? Wonder if the club have asked him to say this...
"And of course, I'm very happy working with the players I've got. But also, the part of the job is to improve the squad all the time, and so far I've been backed. We are working hard to be competitive again, amongst the best"
'I think football now is different from what it was six or eight months ago, and these times are very unique. To get deals done you need to monitor a player for a long, long while, and monitor your target, and I feel the process there has been working well.'
posted on 2/10/20
meanwhile spurs bring in the highest scorer in portugal last season for a £3m loan fee (or half the £6m we paid just to secure ighalo for a further 6 months)
posted on 2/10/20
comment by Robb Pacino (U22311)
To get deals done you need to monitor a player for a long, long while, and monitor your target, and I feel the process there has been working well.'
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monitoring, yes. one of the 6 stages of grief according to woodward, see also preparing to make a bid, showing interest, leaking to the press etc etc.
by all accounts we were keen on sancho when he went to dortmund, and every year since, so is 3 years of monitoring sufficient we all ask?
posted on 2/10/20
comment by Robb Pacino (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
Is Ole putting on a brave face? Wonder if the club have asked him to say this...
"And of course, I'm very happy working with the players I've got. But also, the part of the job is to improve the squad all the time, and so far I've been backed. We are working hard to be competitive again, amongst the best"
'I think football now is different from what it was six or eight months ago, and these times are very unique. To get deals done you need to monitor a player for a long, long while, and monitor your target, and I feel the process there has been working well.'
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It did cross my mind. Almost sounds like it's been briefed. But I think it's possible that he's stuck with some players he doesn't want and has to try to rebuild their confidence in case they need to be called upon
posted on 2/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
we'll sell lingard, rojo, smalling, pereira, and dalot...maybe £50m the lot
———
That was delusion not optimism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely. I remember wetting myself reading people’s predictions of supplementing £150M of cash to spend with an additional £50M or so from the sale of five players
Sensible people were predicting two or three buys and two or three outgoings.
posted on 2/10/20
Yeah you’re probably right, unfortunately we don’t have competent executives. It doesn’t help that so many of our players are injury prone and, or, have failed to show any kind of form for a while. Makes it harder to find a market.
posted on 2/10/20
Good move, we need to send more fringe players on loan and get them off the books.
Getting a decent fee is a bonus if they perform well
Hope it works out for Dalot, he has some attacking threat but he was always too poor positionally. Something he can work on in Italy.
posted on 2/10/20
comment by Robb Pacino (U22311)
posted 18 minutes ago
Is Ole putting on a brave face? Wonder if the club have asked him to say this...
"And of course, I'm very happy working with the players I've got. But also, the part of the job is to improve the squad all the time, and so far I've been backed. We are working hard to be competitive again, amongst the best"
'I think football now is different from what it was six or eight months ago, and these times are very unique. To get deals done you need to monitor a player for a long, long while, and monitor your target, and I feel the process there has been working well.'
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I think ole's had £250m to spend. plus has expensive players to work with. He can't moan too much.
I think we would have got him Haaland too if that snake Raiola wasn't his agent
posted on 2/10/20
The Haaland thing annoys me the most. Now, believe it or not, I’ve been wrong before but that guy is going to be superb. Already is Tbf
posted on 2/10/20
He can't moan too much.
———
I think he can. There are clearly issues in the squad that need addressing via the transfer market and yet here we are with three days before it shuts and all we’ve brought in is a midfielder to provide depth.
posted on 2/10/20
comment by Robb Pacino (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
The Haaland thing annoys me the most. Now, believe it or not, I’ve been wrong before but that guy is going to be superb. Already is Tbf
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Agree with you on this Robb. He's going to be special. I said before he moved to Salzburg that we should have got rid of Lukaku and brought him in as back up/a plan. B.
posted on 2/10/20
Apparently only one of the seasons since SAF left have we spent over €100 million net the summer after qualifying for the CL.
Maybe the Glazers only put their hands in their pockets once CL qualification needs to be regained.
posted on 2/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
He can't moan too much.
———
I think he can. There are clearly issues in the squad that need addressing via the transfer market and yet here we are with three days before it shuts and all we’ve brought in is a midfielder to provide depth.
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We just have to wait and see what happens. If we sign Sancho then it's going to be circa 140m in one window. Possibly more with Telles. We just have to wait and see.
posted on 2/10/20
That’s not true, Rob. Both of Mourinho’s seasons we did. But net spend is a nonsense anyway. We still spend big money when we qualify for the CL. Stop parroting this ballacks that we don’t spend when we get into the CL, it’s quite clearly not true.
We won’t get Sancho now. But hypothetically speaking, if we do Ole’s still got grounds to moan about how we’ve managed this transfer window. The season has already bloody started, he should have his squad already.
posted on 2/10/20
Maybe Darren, but only one of Jose’s seasons post qualifying for the CL did we have a net spend of over €100 million.
The summer he joined (with no CL football) £137 million net
His second summer £152 million net
His third summer £52 million net
In all other post ‘CL’ qualifying summers here’s the net spend
13/14 - £75 million
15/16 - £54 million
20/21 - £35 million (though that could change)
Fight me 🤣
posted on 2/10/20
Ahh got Mourinho’s seasons mixed up. I don’t care about net spend as it doesn’t mean anything. The club don’t have an arbitrary net spend budget when we qualify for the CL and when we don’t.
It’s completely dependent upon how well we can sell players as well. And whether we can get deals done. We’ve clearly proven to be inept and doing both of these things. And when chasing big money signings - where money has obviously been available - and we’ve failed to get them over the line there’s no contingency plan.
Look at this summer, clearly there’s a lot of money available for transfers, otherwise we wouldn’t be chasing Sancho. By your logic we don’t actually want to spend because we qualified for the CL, instead we are just pretending.
posted on 2/10/20
We really, as United fans, shouldn’t talk in Net spend.!It makes us sound like the dips.
posted on 2/10/20
Tbf I’d imagine in the scenario I’m presenting (just riffing rather than seeing a smoking gun here), say we did spend £90 million on Sancho (as we possibly see as our ceiling for him) that and Beek would make £125 but then be taken below the mythical 100 million net spend figure by the sales of Smalling and potentially James.
Just a theory 😎
posted on 2/10/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
We really, as United fans, shouldn’t talk in Net spend.!It makes us sound like the dips.
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Tbf it’s in the opposite intention.
They talk about net spend like it’s a badge of honour. In my theory it’s more to vent at a perceived lack of commitment by the owners to really push on the summer after we make the CL. Which apart from the summer of 17 the owners haven’t really pushed the boat out financially following qualification to the CL.
posted on 2/10/20
It’s a ballacks theory as the club don’t operate on the basis of net spend.
posted on 2/10/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
We really, as United fans, shouldn’t talk in Net spend.!It makes us sound like the dips.
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Agreed. You don't net spend on players. You buy players. Net spend is only really relevant if you are forced to sell players you wish to keep in order to fund your transfers
posted on 2/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 46 seconds ago
It’s a ballacks theory as the club don’t operate on the basis of net spend.
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I’m not really saying they are. Just that rather than them aiming for a certain net figure every season it just turns out less is spent in summers after we make the CL than ones we haven’t. The figures support that statement. Perhaps it’s just an unhappy coincidence.
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