comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 56 seconds ago
Feel a bit sorry for pogba, hes been touted as a top central midfielder and he's just not disciplined enough to be that player. He's always been at his best when he had the excellent midfielders around him, Pirlo etc.

He's obviously a great player but just not the kind of player to command a midfield like Keane or Alonso for example.

Further forward, less responsibility to worry about the space behind him, that's where he'd thrive, he's brilliant naturally in the moment if you get me.
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Agree with this really - he is more a victim of the shiiiiitshow around him. It’s a bit worrying how unversatile he is but he has frequently proven how good he is in the right system. Ozil is more disappointing, played in the right system countless times, even under Wenger who is the king of making lightweight attacking players look great and never really shone.
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Yeah for sure id pick pogba over Ozil every time.

Imagine the pair of them in midfield as a two

Best line of this thread so far was someone saying they’ve never seen someone say they’ve never seen pogba let someone run past him unchallenged does it every game

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 4 minutes ago
Harry Maguire
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Is way too good for Spurs
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wtf are you a child?
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No I just decided to be equally childish with my response to your kiddy response to the article question, silly.
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Aye, my comment really wasn’t keeping within the tone of this article
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Hitler
Adebayor
Saddam Hussein
Trump
Ryan Shawcross
Bin Laden
Flat earth believers

This is just a small list of things that WB2 hates less than Ozil. So a reaction like that is normal when you throw in poor old Harry Maguire to the fray

Difficult one but has to be Ozil. At least Pogba is available to play and sometimes decides he would like to move across the pitch. Ozil is happy to sit it out and pick up his paycheck. Plus Arsenal have a poor midfield and still Ozil can't get in it.

I think both Ozil and Pogba have been unfairly treated at their respective clubs. Ozil maybe moreso than Pogba.

That's not to say they are completely blameless but overall the clubs are the ones that are the main issue imo.

Fees aside how do you play Pogba in a MF 2 with likes of Matic? Sure his effort could be more but it's not going to get the best out of the player who has shown good signs

Ozil was given a contract by Arsenal. Why should he simply walk away at the age of 31? Statistically he has done pretty well in terms of goals and assists etc in a side that hasn't always had the calibre of players a club of that size deserves imo.

Iirc in one season, 16/17? Statistically Ozil was second only to monreal in terms of running etc

Both players came with reputations where clubs got the best out of them, and tbf arsene didn't do too badly with Ozil. To completely change their position or a style of play that suits them and then to say they flopped is unfair. Especially when the world and his dog knows that, for example Pogba isnt a player you put in a 2 with Matic. That's before you even address the mediocrity he has had around him in other positions

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 26 minutes ago
Best line of this thread so far was someone saying they’ve never seen someone say they’ve never seen pogba let someone run past him unchallengeddoes it every game
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Wow.

Think it was a couple of seasons ago Pogba summed up exactly what was wrong with him. He was on the deck and the ball came down towards him, he controlled it perfectly, from a seated position, which was a great piece of skill. He got up, ran a few yards, well something that resembled running and then passed it straight to the opposition. Then walked back as the opposition countered. I believe they scored also but I'm not 100% on that.

comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
I think both Ozil and Pogba have been unfairly treated at their respective clubs. Ozil maybe moreso than Pogba.

That's not to say they are completely blameless but overall the clubs are the ones that are the main issue imo.

Fees aside how do you play Pogba in a MF 2 with likes of Matic? Sure his effort could be more but it's not going to get the best out of the player who has shown good signs

Ozil was given a contract by Arsenal. Why should he simply walk away at the age of 31? Statistically he has done pretty well in terms of goals and assists etc in a side that hasn't always had the calibre of players a club of that size deserves imo.

Iirc in one season, 16/17? Statistically Ozil was second only to monreal in terms of running etc

Both players came with reputations where clubs got the best out of them, and tbf arsene didn't do too badly with Ozil. To completely change their position or a style of play that suits them and then to say they flopped is unfair. Especially when the world and his dog knows that, for example Pogba isnt a player you put in a 2 with Matic. That's before you even address the mediocrity he has had around him in other positions
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Pogba doesn't play in a two. He plays in a three, with Fernandes ahead of him and one other. Pogba however has everything you'd want in a box to box midfielder, to play in a two, ability wise. He just doesn't want to do part of what is required. It's effort, not ability.

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 56 seconds ago
Feel a bit sorry for pogba, hes been touted as a top central midfielder and he's just not disciplined enough to be that player. He's always been at his best when he had the excellent midfielders around him, Pirlo etc.

He's obviously a great player but just not the kind of player to command a midfield like Keane or Alonso for example.

Further forward, less responsibility to worry about the space behind him, that's where he'd thrive, he's brilliant naturally in the moment if you get me.
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Agree with this really - he is more a victim of the shiiiiitshow around him. It’s a bit worrying how unversatile he is but he has frequently proven how good he is in the right system. Ozil is more disappointing, played in the right system countless times, even under Wenger who is the king of making lightweight attacking players look great and never really shone.
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Pogba is versatile, which is why he gets moved around into different roles in the midfield. The problem has to do with what you say, but he’s also just an inconsistent footballer.

Ozil’s played well more consistently in their time in the prem.

Pogba has talent no doubt, but he’d had a farcical career imo in terms of people believing he is a main reason for his teams successes.
He played in a one team league with Marchisio, Vidal and facking Pirlo, and because he scored a couple bangers people though he’s world class.
He was then imo probably the 8th or 9th best player in a french World Cup winning team.

The guy has talent but he’s more a better taraabt or someone (can’t think of a better example right now).

Hazard comes toi d as a player who was being stifled and told to run back. He was not doing so well. New manager comes in says stay up there son and do your magic, has a great season and gets sold for megabucks

It's not rocket science to observe a player over many years and see their strengths and weaknesses.

I used to play cricket to a reasonable level. I was always opening bateman or one down. I just didn't have the smash and grab approach. More building a steady innings. New manager comes in puts me at number 8. We are losing and need quick runs. Comes to me with a few overs left and says off you go son. I said look send in x as he will be more beneficial in getting quick runs. He says I'm the boss out you go. We lose the match and he has a go at me and says you needed to go out there and have a swing. Chairman sacked him saying not only does he not play at 8 but he told you

Which imo is why pogba then gets pelters when he plays bad(and the fee)

He was never as good as many thought he was

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
I think both Ozil and Pogba have been unfairly treated at their respective clubs. Ozil maybe moreso than Pogba.

That's not to say they are completely blameless but overall the clubs are the ones that are the main issue imo.

Fees aside how do you play Pogba in a MF 2 with likes of Matic? Sure his effort could be more but it's not going to get the best out of the player who has shown good signs

Ozil was given a contract by Arsenal. Why should he simply walk away at the age of 31? Statistically he has done pretty well in terms of goals and assists etc in a side that hasn't always had the calibre of players a club of that size deserves imo.

Iirc in one season, 16/17? Statistically Ozil was second only to monreal in terms of running etc

Both players came with reputations where clubs got the best out of them, and tbf arsene didn't do too badly with Ozil. To completely change their position or a style of play that suits them and then to say they flopped is unfair. Especially when the world and his dog knows that, for example Pogba isnt a player you put in a 2 with Matic. That's before you even address the mediocrity he has had around him in other positions
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Pogba doesn't play in a two. He plays in a three, with Fernandes ahead of him and one other. Pogba however has everything you'd want in a box to box midfielder, to play in a two, ability wise. He just doesn't want to do part of what is required. It's effort, not ability.
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You know what I mean. Pogba is in a dmf position with matic. He always played further forward basically needs to be in bruno's position.

That's before we even get to lack of movement etc of our forwards.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
Which imo is why pogba then gets pelters when he plays bad(and the fee)

He was never as good as many thought he was
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Pogba gets more pelters for off the field stuff too. I think the fee is why he becomes a focus for many

I'm a lifelong UTD fan imo there are others who get away with criticism. Including rashford and martial.

Even Bruno hasnt been all that in some games but has scored a penalty so all is forgiven

All this isn't to suggest these are bad players as such more that we as a team are the problem and that buck stops with the manager

Didn't Ozil get an £8m loyalty bonus recently

Sorry that’s rubbish with Ozil anyway

The club did everything they could to get the best out of him but he never reacted positively

People blamed Giroud for hindering Ozil, then it’s because he played out on the left (a position he often excelled in at Madrid), then he couldn’t play in a 4-3-3 and Cazorla was holding him back, then when Cazorla was injured suddenly it was the fault of our other midfielders who couldn’t get the ball to him. After so much time and money is put into getting the best out of a player who continuously fails to respond, eventually you have to admit it’s the player that’s useless and not everyone else around him

We should have just signed Cesc when we had the chance

comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
I think both Ozil and Pogba have been unfairly treated at their respective clubs. Ozil maybe moreso than Pogba.

That's not to say they are completely blameless but overall the clubs are the ones that are the main issue imo.

Fees aside how do you play Pogba in a MF 2 with likes of Matic? Sure his effort could be more but it's not going to get the best out of the player who has shown good signs

Ozil was given a contract by Arsenal. Why should he simply walk away at the age of 31? Statistically he has done pretty well in terms of goals and assists etc in a side that hasn't always had the calibre of players a club of that size deserves imo.

Iirc in one season, 16/17? Statistically Ozil was second only to monreal in terms of running etc

Both players came with reputations where clubs got the best out of them, and tbf arsene didn't do too badly with Ozil. To completely change their position or a style of play that suits them and then to say they flopped is unfair. Especially when the world and his dog knows that, for example Pogba isnt a player you put in a 2 with Matic. That's before you even address the mediocrity he has had around him in other positions
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Pogba doesn't play in a two. He plays in a three, with Fernandes ahead of him and one other. Pogba however has everything you'd want in a box to box midfielder, to play in a two, ability wise. He just doesn't want to do part of what is required. It's effort, not ability.
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You know what I mean. Pogba is in a dmf position with matic. He always played further forward basically needs to be in bruno's position.

That's before we even get to lack of movement etc of our forwards.


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But he didn't play further forward for Juventus. He played in what you're now calling a two. Only they played with one behind him, instead of one ahead of him. They normally played a 4-3-1-2 system and in his last season they had switched to a 3-5-2 system with Pogba left of the midfield three, Pirlo or Marchiso(sp) centre and Khedira IIRC right.

United fans seem to have built up this false narrative that Pogba played as attacking midfielder for Juventus which simply isn't true.

Pogba played further forward for Juve than he usually has for us. It’s not a false narrative, it’s quite obviously true.

comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Pogba played further forward for Juve than he usually has for us. It’s not a false narrative, it’s quite obviously true.
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No he didn't. This information is widely available if you didn't see it. He played behind an attacking midfielder for most of his time and in his final season he played ahead of a defensive midfielder with one other in a 3-5-2 system. I saw it with my eyes ffs.

But if you don't believe me look it up.

The information supports my point. I’ve also seen it. He’s playing in deeper areas of the pitch for United than he was at Juve, especially under Ole where he’s often coming deeper than Matic.

Pogba at Juve was part of a system that allowed him to get forward.

It was also helped by tevez? Dropping deep

comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Pogba at Juve was part of a system that allowed him to get forward.

It was also helped by tevez? Dropping deep
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And had the likes of Pirlo to control the game.

And being by far the best team in the league

Ozil by a huge distance

Has to be Pogba but only by a nose, Ozil is in the conversation.

Keita?