Arsenal fans welcome, just didn't want the thread to get deleted by putting it on there if there are responses some dong agree with
He was not playing to his price tag,even considered lazy by some fans for not tackling back etc,refused a pay cut from his over £300 k per week wages to help with the covid crises,prepared to sit out his contract and take the money,been done before by a number of other players from different clubs,until a wage cap gets implimented this will continue,from an Arsenal fan how much did Jose trouser when he left United.
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 8 minutes ago
He was not playing to his price tag,even considered lazy by some fans for not tackling back etc,refused a pay cut from his over £300 k per week wages to help with the covid crises,prepared to sit out his contract and take the money,been done before by a number of other players from different clubs,until a wage cap gets implimented this will continue,from an Arsenal fan how much did Jose trouser when he left United.
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Groovy some.of the reports don't suggest that, yeah I suppose it's what the sources are.
But the pay cut thing was said to be about how it was going to be spent and it wouldn't have prevented the job losses.
Similarly his being lazy is not what the reports say. Iirc hasn't even arsene said he wasn't lazy?
Like I say Gunners will know better but a lot isn't adding up
A mix of the below:
He's been shiiiiit (although we could probably still use him)
Massive wages we're probably trying to save bonuses on
Political issues with China
comment by Tu Meke - AinsleyForRightBack (U3732)
posted 4 minutes ago
A mix of the below:
He's been shiiiiit (although we could probably still use him)
Massive wages we're probably trying to save bonuses on
Political issues with China
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The china thing seems to be gathering pace in the media... but it's the media
I have to say a player of his calibre being chit is unbelievable. With all due respect especially with some of the players you had/have.
He also is reported to have got an 8m loyalty bonus so not sure how much was saved on bonuses
He started 10 games for Arteta (and 3 for Emery before that) after the China malarkey. Clearly has nothing to do with it.
I have to say a player of his calibre being chit is unbelievable.
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Not really. Think Di Maria and Alexis Sanchez at United.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 27 seconds ago
I have to say a player of his calibre being chit is unbelievable.
———
Not really. Think Di Maria and Alexis Sanchez at United.
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Fair enough albeit different circumstances and dealt with.
Adm wasn't that bad but obviously wanted out and sanchez tried just bought at the wrong time
Ozil didn't do badly overall from what I saw of him, which won't be as much as arsenal fans obviously
It was more that a player of that calibre can be so bad. Ozil’s been on their level of shiiiiiit for a while now.
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
It was more that a player of that calibre can be so bad. Ozil’s been on their level of shiiiiiit for a while now.
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Fair enough
I never thought he was that bad tbh. But again I never watched a lot
Sometimes I just saw him getting blamed in the way pogba is. Essentially the price tag and wages
And sure pogba has bad games but is played out of position and had a chit show around him in Pereira etc
I’m sure WB2 will give you the lowdown.
Its a lot of things. The China thing probably upset the suits, but Ozil and his agent are using the humanitarian side for good PR and to get people on his side.
There is also the pay cut thing. His performances. The squad is full (Sokratis also left out).
Lots of reasons really.
It's clearly because he a showed support for the uighur muslims in concentration camps in China. Comments which the club were quick and eager to dismiss as not their own before they lose any money.
Footballers aren't chucked out of a squads completely because they don't like tracking back sometimes. Laziness isn't an issue. Professionalism? Has a coach ever complained about Ozil stay out all night partying and drinking, turning up to training late or disrupting a dressing room?
His recent social media post about highlighting injustice is also a clear indicator that all of this is about him speaking out.
He's done more running than Pepe has. I think the issue is that he is a number 10 that has been asked to do the job of a box to box midfielder so his performance suffers. Saw a stats that the more he had to drop deep the less of his assist output. Also, with the way Arsenal are set up now, there is no place for him in Arsenal's system. Xhaka was pretty bad before this tactical change by Arteta has brought in improved performances.
The thing about his professionalism seems odd with what people (players, coaches) past and present said about him. I think it is a combination of a few things.
Yes, his wages, his stance on China, refusing a wage cut (that didn't save jobs yet Arsenal went out and spent a lot of money), his offer of paying for gunnarsaurus, and ultimately refusing to be sold off to some Middle Eastern club. Now its all about not paying him any of the extras that would go towards his wages. I wouldn't say its one thing. And I doubt it's all down to just Arteta. It's a way for the club to push him out.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 49 minutes ago
It's clearly because he a showed support for the uighur muslims in concentration camps in China. Comments which the club were quick and eager to dismiss as not their own before they lose any money.
Footballers aren't chucked out of a squads completely because they don't like tracking back sometimes. Laziness isn't an issue. Professionalism? Has a coach ever complained about Ozil stay out all night partying and drinking, turning up to training late or disrupting a dressing room?
His recent social media post about highlighting injustice is also a clear indicator that all of this is about him speaking out.
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Superb example of confirmation bias.
Ozil has probably hired some PR people that worked for tobacco companies to make him a cult hero😂😂
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posted on 23/10/20
Arsenal fans welcome, just didn't want the thread to get deleted by putting it on there if there are responses some dong agree with
posted on 23/10/20
He was not playing to his price tag,even considered lazy by some fans for not tackling back etc,refused a pay cut from his over £300 k per week wages to help with the covid crises,prepared to sit out his contract and take the money,been done before by a number of other players from different clubs,until a wage cap gets implimented this will continue,from an Arsenal fan how much did Jose trouser when he left United.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 8 minutes ago
He was not playing to his price tag,even considered lazy by some fans for not tackling back etc,refused a pay cut from his over £300 k per week wages to help with the covid crises,prepared to sit out his contract and take the money,been done before by a number of other players from different clubs,until a wage cap gets implimented this will continue,from an Arsenal fan how much did Jose trouser when he left United.
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Groovy some.of the reports don't suggest that, yeah I suppose it's what the sources are.
But the pay cut thing was said to be about how it was going to be spent and it wouldn't have prevented the job losses.
Similarly his being lazy is not what the reports say. Iirc hasn't even arsene said he wasn't lazy?
Like I say Gunners will know better but a lot isn't adding up
posted on 23/10/20
A mix of the below:
He's been shiiiiit (although we could probably still use him)
Massive wages we're probably trying to save bonuses on
Political issues with China
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Tu Meke - AinsleyForRightBack (U3732)
posted 4 minutes ago
A mix of the below:
He's been shiiiiit (although we could probably still use him)
Massive wages we're probably trying to save bonuses on
Political issues with China
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The china thing seems to be gathering pace in the media... but it's the media
I have to say a player of his calibre being chit is unbelievable. With all due respect especially with some of the players you had/have.
He also is reported to have got an 8m loyalty bonus so not sure how much was saved on bonuses
posted on 23/10/20
He started 10 games for Arteta (and 3 for Emery before that) after the China malarkey. Clearly has nothing to do with it.
posted on 23/10/20
I have to say a player of his calibre being chit is unbelievable.
———
Not really. Think Di Maria and Alexis Sanchez at United.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 27 seconds ago
I have to say a player of his calibre being chit is unbelievable.
———
Not really. Think Di Maria and Alexis Sanchez at United.
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Fair enough albeit different circumstances and dealt with.
Adm wasn't that bad but obviously wanted out and sanchez tried just bought at the wrong time
Ozil didn't do badly overall from what I saw of him, which won't be as much as arsenal fans obviously
posted on 23/10/20
It was more that a player of that calibre can be so bad. Ozil’s been on their level of shiiiiiit for a while now.
posted on 23/10/20
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
It was more that a player of that calibre can be so bad. Ozil’s been on their level of shiiiiiit for a while now.
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Fair enough
I never thought he was that bad tbh. But again I never watched a lot
Sometimes I just saw him getting blamed in the way pogba is. Essentially the price tag and wages
And sure pogba has bad games but is played out of position and had a chit show around him in Pereira etc
posted on 23/10/20
I’m sure WB2 will give you the lowdown.
posted on 23/10/20
Its a lot of things. The China thing probably upset the suits, but Ozil and his agent are using the humanitarian side for good PR and to get people on his side.
There is also the pay cut thing. His performances. The squad is full (Sokratis also left out).
Lots of reasons really.
posted on 24/10/20
It's clearly because he a showed support for the uighur muslims in concentration camps in China. Comments which the club were quick and eager to dismiss as not their own before they lose any money.
Footballers aren't chucked out of a squads completely because they don't like tracking back sometimes. Laziness isn't an issue. Professionalism? Has a coach ever complained about Ozil stay out all night partying and drinking, turning up to training late or disrupting a dressing room?
His recent social media post about highlighting injustice is also a clear indicator that all of this is about him speaking out.
posted on 24/10/20
He's done more running than Pepe has. I think the issue is that he is a number 10 that has been asked to do the job of a box to box midfielder so his performance suffers. Saw a stats that the more he had to drop deep the less of his assist output. Also, with the way Arsenal are set up now, there is no place for him in Arsenal's system. Xhaka was pretty bad before this tactical change by Arteta has brought in improved performances.
The thing about his professionalism seems odd with what people (players, coaches) past and present said about him. I think it is a combination of a few things.
Yes, his wages, his stance on China, refusing a wage cut (that didn't save jobs yet Arsenal went out and spent a lot of money), his offer of paying for gunnarsaurus, and ultimately refusing to be sold off to some Middle Eastern club. Now its all about not paying him any of the extras that would go towards his wages. I wouldn't say its one thing. And I doubt it's all down to just Arteta. It's a way for the club to push him out.
posted on 24/10/20
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 49 minutes ago
It's clearly because he a showed support for the uighur muslims in concentration camps in China. Comments which the club were quick and eager to dismiss as not their own before they lose any money.
Footballers aren't chucked out of a squads completely because they don't like tracking back sometimes. Laziness isn't an issue. Professionalism? Has a coach ever complained about Ozil stay out all night partying and drinking, turning up to training late or disrupting a dressing room?
His recent social media post about highlighting injustice is also a clear indicator that all of this is about him speaking out.
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Superb example of confirmation bias.
posted on 24/10/20
Ozil has probably hired some PR people that worked for tobacco companies to make him a cult hero😂😂
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