is it only postal votes left in WI?

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
It is being reported that Kenosha County in WI has cut Trumps lead to about 20,000 votes. Milwaukee might then give him WI if it is enough
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Google now has the democrats slightly ahead there. A chink of light.
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By 9k votes. It is so tight.

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted less than a minute ago
Last two decades*
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Shortening the chain.
So you don’t see any Democratic benefit in having a broad representation?
Maybe the democrats should concentrate on getting support from a broader base of people?


Is it Democratic to say that someone's vote counts for less because of where they are born/live? You’re making the same point I am. Woke Californians making decisions for hill billies?

The analogy is the same: you’re skewing the stats to suit your case that it’s undemocratic and the United fan is skewing the stats to make it seem that United have won more league titles than Liverpool say. Both are using a deliberate cut-off point in time.

53 out of the 58 elections the winning president has won the electoral college along with the popular vote.
So you’re complaining about a system and describing it as undemocratic when it has happened only 9% of the time and many democrat wins have included the electoral college vote because they appealed broadly to the national. Not just in hugely populated states.


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Except I'm not making the same point you are at all. You are arguing for a system where peoples votes count more if they live in certain areas. I'm arguing for a system where all people's votes should be equal. I'm not arguing for a californian vote to outweigh an alaskan vote. I'm saying they should be equal. 3 californian votes should outweighs 1 alaskan vote, not the other way around.

The democrats have a broad base because they appeal to more voters than the republicans. Biden is currently 2 million votes ahead of trump in the popular vote. He has appealed to 2 million more voters at time of writing. Clinton appealed to nearly 3 million more voters. To say that the Democrats need to broaden their base is ridiculous when they gave the broadest base already. It is equally valid (if not more so) to say that the Republicans should work at broadening their base in the major populous areas and stop relying on an undemocratic system.

Yes, I'm complaining about the 9% because it isnt an issue if someone wins the presidency with the popular vote. It is an issue when the opposite happens from a democratic point of view.

Why are you so keen for millions of Americans to be effectively told that their vote counts for less than the vote of other Americans?
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Why am I so keen? Did I not say that that I am torn as to which I would choose were it up to me?

3 votes > 1 of course and that makes total sense.

But Woke California > Hillbillies ?

But as I said, and as you are refusing to even acknowledge, people that live in small states population-wise can have completely different needs and views to those in larger states. Therefore having a simple system of popular vote (which we also don’t have in the UK, I assume this is not democratic either?) favours the beliefs in those larger states.

More numbers isn’t the same as broad.

You have no love for the hillbillies, poor hillbillies

I’ll leave it here because there is no chance of us solving this debate. It’s been had for decades and decades and seeing as we do have democracy; it hasn’t been changed to popular vote.

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
The election isn’t even done yet and he wants to take it to the Supreme Court, the actual hell is wrong with this guy
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Do you actually understand what he said? He said ballots were added still at 4am and therefore he wants counting to be stopped. Thats how he can win it. Pennsylvania has paused counting, so if he goes the supreme court now to get an order to stop counting, he wins the election. That tactic doesnt work after the votes are counted.

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 7 seconds ago
is it only postal votes left in WI?
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I believe so but I'm not entirely sure.

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 7 seconds ago
is it only postal votes left in WI?
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I believe so but I'm not entirely sure.
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Postal generally speaking is more so democrat right?

According to the polls yes Sat Nav but they’ve been a shambles

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted less than a minute ago
Last two decades*
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Shortening the chain.
So you don’t see any Democratic benefit in having a broad representation?
Maybe the democrats should concentrate on getting support from a broader base of people?


Is it Democratic to say that someone's vote counts for less because of where they are born/live? You’re making the same point I am. Woke Californians making decisions for hill billies?

The analogy is the same: you’re skewing the stats to suit your case that it’s undemocratic and the United fan is skewing the stats to make it seem that United have won more league titles than Liverpool say. Both are using a deliberate cut-off point in time.

53 out of the 58 elections the winning president has won the electoral college along with the popular vote.
So you’re complaining about a system and describing it as undemocratic when it has happened only 9% of the time and many democrat wins have included the electoral college vote because they appealed broadly to the national. Not just in hugely populated states.


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Except I'm not making the same point you are at all. You are arguing for a system where peoples votes count more if they live in certain areas. I'm arguing for a system where all people's votes should be equal. I'm not arguing for a californian vote to outweigh an alaskan vote. I'm saying they should be equal. 3 californian votes should outweighs 1 alaskan vote, not the other way around.

The democrats have a broad base because they appeal to more voters than the republicans. Biden is currently 2 million votes ahead of trump in the popular vote. He has appealed to 2 million more voters at time of writing. Clinton appealed to nearly 3 million more voters. To say that the Democrats need to broaden their base is ridiculous when they gave the broadest base already. It is equally valid (if not more so) to say that the Republicans should work at broadening their base in the major populous areas and stop relying on an undemocratic system.

Yes, I'm complaining about the 9% because it isnt an issue if someone wins the presidency with the popular vote. It is an issue when the opposite happens from a democratic point of view.

Why are you so keen for millions of Americans to be effectively told that their vote counts for less than the vote of other Americans?
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Why am I so keen? Did I not say that that I am torn as to which I would choose were it up to me?

3 votes > 1 of course and that makes total sense.

But Woke California > Hillbillies ?

But as I said, and as you are refusing to even acknowledge, people that live in small states population-wise can have completely different needs and views to those in larger states. Therefore having a simple system of popular vote (which we also don’t have in the UK, I assume this is not democratic either?) favours the beliefs in those larger states.

More numbers isn’t the same as broad.

You have no love for the hillbillies, poor hillbillies

I’ll leave it here because there is no chance of us solving this debate. It’s been had for decades and decades and seeing as we do have democracy; it hasn’t been changed to popular vote.
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Yes the system we have in the UK is also not as democratic as having proportional representation.

You keep going kn about woke californian > hillbilly but that is a deliberate misrepresentation of what I said which is californian = hillbilly.

Yeah the people in the cities might have different needs to the people in the sticks. You do realise that all of those hillbilly states that you refer to also have cities in them? So why don't they need additional protection from the people in those cities outvoting them?

I’m leaving it Welsh and agreeing to disagree as it’s a debate that we’re not going resolve.

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
It is being reported that Kenosha County in WI has cut Trumps lead to about 20,000 votes. Milwaukee might then give him WI if it is enough
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Google now has the democrats slightly ahead there. A chink of light.
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By 9k votes. It is so tight.
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How many seats are at stake?

comment by We got our Arsenal back (U10012)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
It is being reported that Kenosha County in WI has cut Trumps lead to about 20,000 votes. Milwaukee might then give him WI if it is enough
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Google now has the democrats slightly ahead there. A chink of light.
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By 9k votes. It is so tight.
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How many seats are at stake?
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10.

According to the guardian, Biden is 8k ahead with 32k postal votes still to be counted.

Those 32k ballots are due to come in from Green Bay which is a democrat city

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted less than a minute ago
Those 32k ballots are due to come in from Green Bay which is a democrat city
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Ok so that’s done (for now)

Question for those who knows or if there is any American on this thread.
Why do democrats more likely to vote by post or mail in ballot than republican?

WI Presidential Election Results

Biden (D): 50% (1,572,151 votes)
Trump (R): 49% (1,553,512 votes)

Estimated: > 95% votes in

https://twitter.com/decisiondeskhq/status/1323922315244130304?s=21

Biden looks to have to edge with these postal votes and coming back in all these states

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 13 minutes ago
WI Presidential Election Results

Biden (D): 50% (1,572,151 votes)
Trump (R): 49% (1,553,512 votes)

Estimated: > 95% votes in

https://twitter.com/decisiondeskhq/status/1323922315244130304?s=21
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Guardian has the vote share at 49.4% for Biden and 49.1% for Trump. Will definitely be a recount if it stays that tight

I don’t get why these postal votes aren’t counted for first seeing as they were the very first to come in anyway

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don’t get why these postal votes aren’t counted for first seeing as they were the very first to come in anyway
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In the majority of these swing states Republicans made it so they can't be counted early, precisely for this so they can claim foul later.

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don’t get why these postal votes aren’t counted for first seeing as they were the very first to come in anyway
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In the majority of these swing states Republicans made it so they can't be counted early, precisely for this so they can claim foul later.
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Fecking joke that

Does Biden with with Wisconsin and Michigan?

Win* with

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don’t get why these postal votes aren’t counted for first seeing as they were the very first to come in anyway
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In the majority of these swing states Republicans made it so they can't be counted early, precisely for this so they can claim foul later.
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But are they counted early in other states?

Biden is 8/11 fav on Skybet

comment by £350k Förtnite Skin (U18355)
posted 58 seconds ago
Biden is 8/11 fav on Skybet
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These betting companies had Trump as favourite at 6am ffs, it’s so volatile