comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
Question is, if you don’t win something this season what happens thereafter?
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That’s a good question and I think we have to win something this season. Nobody is expecting us to win the league, but certainly a league cup this season or Fa cup at least, then next season we push on for bigger trophies. If Jose wins us the Europa, then that is unbelievable and will prove he truly is still one of the best around.
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On paper there’s no reason why Spurs can’t win the league. If you ignore the ridiculous posts of certain posters on here and look at it objectively, you have as much chance as several other teams. You have a manager who’s won it several times, you seem to have bought well and refreshed the squad, and a lot of your players don’t have the baggage of ‘failure’ and doubt that seems to have plagued Spurs over the years.
City are doing their best to make you they’ll be out of it by the new year. Chelsea are dark horses, a lot depends on how Lampard copes when the pressure increases. If we (Liverpool) can come through our current injury crisis relatively unscathed which we have done so far, then I’d still have us as favourites, albeit narrow ones.
Just a shame Sandy’s joined the article, it was quite sensible and neutral til now.
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Robb Pochettino - 🧢 Make United Great Again (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
In an ideal world we’d have Pochettino as he’s perfect for us right now and you guys have Jose who is perfect for you right now.
50% of that is in place.
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Must be a difficult situation at the moment for United fans Robb.
Balance between supporting the team you love but knowing that every victory you scrape prolongs the sacking of a manager that everyone knows won’t ever have you challenging for the major trophies.
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It is odd. Just kicking the can down the road while superior managers are available but by the time Ole’s luck runs out may be gone to other clubs.
I liken us to the England situation. Lots of good players and will win loads of games which might fool people but when it comes to the nitty gritty Ole/Southgate will show themselves to be the overpromoted guys they are.
I’ll happily admit, I’ve been surprised at how well it’s going for Jose at Spurs. Not because he’s past it etc etc but because I didn’t think you had the players for his game.
The attacking side was never going to be a problem but I thought defensively you needed an overhaul. JV-TA era coming to an end, Dier erratic, Sanchez underwhelming, FBs both erratic and underwhelming! Plus Lloris looked to be falling apart with drunk driving charges alongside increasigg error.
One smart signing at LB and an astute signing in PEH and I’m being proven wrong - the defensive players are showing the discipline and ability needed in a Jose team.
Spurs can win the league this year. The league won't have a points tally like the last few seasons that's for sure. I expect the chaps to lose 5+ games.
Liverpool have so many out its not even close to a peak team, and it won't change anytime soon with who they have out and for how long.
City look jaded and rely on individual brilliance atm. Sterling and aguero are needed back asap or their chances are derailed.
Chelsea are the only team that can rival the PL I think. Better squad overallI'd say but a worse manager. Even then pulisic is key.
Jose has the players to get a goal and then park the bus effectively now.
If kane can stay fit I think spurs defo have a chance.
comment by Robb Pochettino - 🧢 Make United Great Again (U22311)
posted 40 minutes ago
People need to realise that United is a curse on players and managers these days.
Spurs was perfect for Jose. Some very good players and a fan base desperate for trophies. Great stadium and he had a year off from football and came back hungry and away from all the insane and unrealistic pressure at United and away from Ed Woodward and the Pogba situation.
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I’m going to back Spurs for the title this season. Not quite “doing a Leicester” obviously, but I wouldn’t have looked beyond Liverpool or City fora second at the start of the season so it would still be a major shock. City don’t seem to be there right now and I think Virgil’s injury will cost Liverpool over the course of the season. Nobody is better placed than Spurs to capitalise and obviously Mourinho has done it all before.
comment by Conn & Duncan..Scottish Legends (U15636)
posted 25 minutes ago
A lot of these players need a bit of a rest, especially after playing international friendlies... look what’s happened to Toby!!
But can we rely on squad players to do a job, at home to Ludogrets?!!
Look what happened against Royal Antwerp!!
No way should Kane play though.. he definitely needs a rest..as does Eric Dier...
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Squad players should be OK, they will be playing at WHL, so no travelling. No doubt though that some of the first team will be involved.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 15 minutes ago
I’ll happily admit, I’ve been surprised at how well it’s going for Jose at Spurs. Not because he’s past it etc etc but because I didn’t think you had the players for his game.
The attacking side was never going to be a problem but I thought defensively you needed an overhaul. JV-TA era coming to an end, Dier erratic, Sanchez underwhelming, FBs both erratic and underwhelming! Plus Lloris looked to be falling apart with drunk driving charges alongside increasigg error.
One smart signing at LB and an astute signing in PEH and I’m being proven wrong - the defensive players are showing the discipline and ability needed in a Jose team.
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The defence was never really a major worry, just needed a bit of tweaking. Even when they were making the odd brain farts or silly mistakes, Spurs were very rarely getting hammered by any teams. Usually just getting beat by the odd goal in the Prem. Only Brighton 3-0 last year was poor, and that was in the middle of a very poor one or two weeks spell, where the wheels came off the Poch regime, and included a 7-2 defeat to Bayern and also losing to Colchester. Other than that week or two though, the defence has in the main been pretty solid.
I’ll happily admit, I’ve been surprised at how well it’s going for Jose at Spurs. Not because he’s past it etc etc but because I didn’t think you had the players for his game.
The attacking side was never going to be a problem but I thought defensively you needed an overhaul.
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I agree. The club and Levy have done wonders in the transfer window gone to address the issues we had and add couple of players too.
Jose targeted the players he wanted and they seem to have worked out for us.
I looked at the starting line up yesterday and couldn't see anyone other than De Bruyne who I would exchange with City
Spurs may not win many games, and set the world alight but Spurs are lying foundation for a good future!
Spurs are doing well and cab win the league. My prediction is that they won't though. In my blunt view of thing things to squad cost I think Spurs have maybe the 6 th most expensive squad, and so I would consider it a success if they got CL qualification and a failure if they missed out on Europe altogether. If they can add a domestic cup on top of getting CL then that would be a nice cherry.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
Things looking good now but we need to see how we do at the end of the season. If we don't win anything then Mourinho has failed and he will have especially failed given the squad we have and the other big teams struggling with injuries and form. Then we have the possibility of losing players and Mourinho entering into his third season, which usually doesn't end so well.
The proof in the pudding will absolutely be in winning something. Being top and looking good in November does not matter greatly.
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So Jose has to win something, but Poch didn`t have to. Got you. I am sure Jose will win trophies, but I didn`t see the same demands put on Poch after just one season, in fact I didn`t see any demands put on Poch after five seasons.
If Mourinho has failed after say one full season if he doesn`t win a trophy, then surely you would place Poch in the same bracket as a failure, would you not.
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Completely agree with this Sandy.
The expectations for Jose are unbelievable - he has to win trophies in his first full season, whilst playing a mythical brand of football akin to 1970s Brazil. Apparently his wins against Utd and City don’t count as they’re only mid-table sides. When we win against a Top-6 side (Southampton), apparently that doesn’t count either as they’re not in the same bracket as Utd or City - which is strange as I thought they were deemed “mid-table” fodder. The only wins that can possibly count for anything are against Chelsea or Liverpool, as they’re “proper tests”, every other game should be a rout or else its Jose-out. Weird logic, looks rather ridiculous.
It would be so spursy to win the league when no fans get to see it in person 😂
It is a strange one with Jose. He’s a victim of his own success. He’s built such a reputation that people expect miracles (and let’s be frank, Spurs winning the league is a miracle) yet at the same time those same people will be the first to say Jose is past it and a yesterday man.
It’s okay to dislike the guy (quite why people would is strange - his moustache twirling, tongue in cheek devilry is more interesting that Pep’s guy next door everyman-ness). But try to give him some wiggle room on the noose around his neck.
Pep vs Jose is like the age old Beatles vs Stones debate. Pep is like the Beatles ‘I wanna hold your hand’ whereas Jose is like the Stones ‘Let’s spend the night together’.
You could argue the pressures on to win the league for Spurs.
Has Levy appointed a serial winner, backed him more than any manager he's had before with the expectation he's going to "only" match achievement's from previous managers? (top 4 in the case of Redknapp and Pochettino and domestic cup in the case of Ramos).
Levy will want the league and most importantly, so will Jose.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 16 minutes ago
Spurs are doing well and cab win the league. My prediction is that they won't though. In my blunt view of thing things to squad cost I think Spurs have maybe the 6 th most expensive squad, and so I would consider it a success if they got CL qualification and a failure if they missed out on Europe altogether. If they can add a domestic cup on top of getting CL then that would be a nice cherry.
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Squad cost doesn't equate to best squad of players.
As it stands Spurs have some of the best players in their positions in the league. The league doesn't lie. Spurs ste top despite dropping four silly points. They have as good a chance as any of lifting the title.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Question is, if you don’t win something this season what happens thereafter?
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What generally happens with Mourinho, is the fans aren't quite sure when he first takes over, don't like the stye of play he adopts, but are happy with the results, then if no trophies are forthcoming, 'Jose masterclasses', turn into turgid boring football, and it then turns to cries of 'we want our club back', and 'we don't care about results, and just want to see entertaining football', etc, etc.
comment by SirLes (U6965)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
Things looking good now but we need to see how we do at the end of the season. If we don't win anything then Mourinho has failed and he will have especially failed given the squad we have and the other big teams struggling with injuries and form. Then we have the possibility of losing players and Mourinho entering into his third season, which usually doesn't end so well.
The proof in the pudding will absolutely be in winning something. Being top and looking good in November does not matter greatly.
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So Jose has to win something, but Poch didn`t have to. Got you. I am sure Jose will win trophies, but I didn`t see the same demands put on Poch after just one season, in fact I didn`t see any demands put on Poch after five seasons.
If Mourinho has failed after say one full season if he doesn`t win a trophy, then surely you would place Poch in the same bracket as a failure, would you not.
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Completely agree with this Sandy.
The expectations for Jose are unbelievable - he has to win trophies in his first full season, whilst playing a mythical brand of football akin to 1970s Brazil. Apparently his wins against Utd and City don’t count as they’re only mid-table sides. When we win against a Top-6 side (Southampton), apparently that doesn’t count either as they’re not in the same bracket as Utd or City - which is strange as I thought they were deemed “mid-table” fodder. The only wins that can possibly count for anything are against Chelsea or Liverpool, as they’re “proper tests”, every other game should be a rout or else its Jose-out. Weird logic, looks rather ridiculous.
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Pep is like the Beatles ‘I wanna hold your hand’ whereas Jose is like the Stones ‘Let’s spend the night together’.
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What are you smoking Robb?
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
Things looking good now but we need to see how we do at the end of the season. If we don't win anything then Mourinho has failed and he will have especially failed given the squad we have and the other big teams struggling with injuries and form. Then we have the possibility of losing players and Mourinho entering into his third season, which usually doesn't end so well.
The proof in the pudding will absolutely be in winning something. Being top and looking good in November does not matter greatly.
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So Jose has to win something, but Poch didn`t have to. Got you. I am sure Jose will win trophies, but I didn`t see the same demands put on Poch after just one season, in fact I didn`t see any demands put on Poch after five seasons.
If Mourinho has failed after say one full season if he doesn`t win a trophy, then surely you would place Poch in the same bracket as a failure, would you not.
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Who said Poch didn't have to win anything? Poch in his defence wasn't properly backed by Levy. When he was given some backing it was too late because the team was already suffering. And Poch was the one that had to establish us as a top 4 club in the first place. The dynamic of the club has changed from since Poch first took over and when Mourinho first took over.
Mourinho has been well backed (maybe more so in one window than any other manager under Levy) and given his rep as a winner it stands to reason he needs to deliver on the trophy winning front.
It is a strange one with Jose. He’s a victim of his own success. He’s built such a reputation that people expect miracles (and let’s be frank, Spurs winning the league is a miracle) yet at the same time those same people will be the first to say Jose is past it and a yesterday man.
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It's the British Mentality of wanting to tear down someone who's successful the second you sense 'weakness'.
It happened to Wenger and just watch, Guardiola will be next.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Question is, if you don’t win something this season what happens thereafter?
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What generally happens with Mourinho, is the fans aren't quite sure when he first takes over, don't like the stye of play he adopts, but are happy with the results, then if no trophies are forthcoming, 'Jose masterclasses', turn into turgid boring football, and it then turns to cries of 'we want our club back', and 'we don't care about results, and just want to see entertaining football', etc, etc.
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I think it will take longer than going without a trophy this season for that to happen at Spurs. Generally the clubs he has managed previously are used to picking up trophies on a more regular basis than ourselves - so getting us very close this season will probably be enough.
Additionally the lack of fans makes it easier for Mou - you can’t have a restless crowd when there isn’t one in the first place.
However I am very confident that the trophy drought will end for us this season.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
Things looking good now but we need to see how we do at the end of the season. If we don't win anything then Mourinho has failed and he will have especially failed given the squad we have and the other big teams struggling with injuries and form. Then we have the possibility of losing players and Mourinho entering into his third season, which usually doesn't end so well.
The proof in the pudding will absolutely be in winning something. Being top and looking good in November does not matter greatly.
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So Jose has to win something, but Poch didn`t have to. Got you. I am sure Jose will win trophies, but I didn`t see the same demands put on Poch after just one season, in fact I didn`t see any demands put on Poch after five seasons.
If Mourinho has failed after say one full season if he doesn`t win a trophy, then surely you would place Poch in the same bracket as a failure, would you not.
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Who said Poch didn't have to win anything? Poch in his defence wasn't properly backed by Levy. When he was given some backing it was too late because the team was already suffering. And Poch was the one that had to establish us as a top 4 club in the first place. The dynamic of the club has changed from since Poch first took over and when Mourinho first took over.
Mourinho has been well backed (maybe more so in one window than any other manager under Levy) and given his rep as a winner it stands to reason he needs to deliver on the trophy winning front.
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Poch was backed with plenty of money, just didn't spend it wisely I am not having that old chestnut again. He purchased some awful players.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Question is, if you don’t win something this season what happens thereafter?
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Worrying.... I'm not sure kane would give us another year.
Even if he has worked up a great relationship with Jose he's got to the point bale got too far to good as an individual to have nothing to show for it.
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Question is, if you don’t win something this season what happens thereafter?
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Worrying.... I'm not sure kane would give us another year.
Even if he has worked up a great relationship with Jose he's got to the point bale got too far to good as an individual to have nothing to show for it.
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Kane isn`t going nowhere, stop worrying.
Poch went a year without spending money when he needed new players most.
Imagine if they did that to Jose. He’d be moaning about it every single interview.
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posted on 22/11/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
Question is, if you don’t win something this season what happens thereafter?
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That’s a good question and I think we have to win something this season. Nobody is expecting us to win the league, but certainly a league cup this season or Fa cup at least, then next season we push on for bigger trophies. If Jose wins us the Europa, then that is unbelievable and will prove he truly is still one of the best around.
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On paper there’s no reason why Spurs can’t win the league. If you ignore the ridiculous posts of certain posters on here and look at it objectively, you have as much chance as several other teams. You have a manager who’s won it several times, you seem to have bought well and refreshed the squad, and a lot of your players don’t have the baggage of ‘failure’ and doubt that seems to have plagued Spurs over the years.
City are doing their best to make you they’ll be out of it by the new year. Chelsea are dark horses, a lot depends on how Lampard copes when the pressure increases. If we (Liverpool) can come through our current injury crisis relatively unscathed which we have done so far, then I’d still have us as favourites, albeit narrow ones.
posted on 22/11/20
Just a shame Sandy’s joined the article, it was quite sensible and neutral til now.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Robb Pochettino - 🧢 Make United Great Again (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
In an ideal world we’d have Pochettino as he’s perfect for us right now and you guys have Jose who is perfect for you right now.
50% of that is in place.
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Must be a difficult situation at the moment for United fans Robb.
Balance between supporting the team you love but knowing that every victory you scrape prolongs the sacking of a manager that everyone knows won’t ever have you challenging for the major trophies.
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It is odd. Just kicking the can down the road while superior managers are available but by the time Ole’s luck runs out may be gone to other clubs.
I liken us to the England situation. Lots of good players and will win loads of games which might fool people but when it comes to the nitty gritty Ole/Southgate will show themselves to be the overpromoted guys they are.
posted on 22/11/20
I’ll happily admit, I’ve been surprised at how well it’s going for Jose at Spurs. Not because he’s past it etc etc but because I didn’t think you had the players for his game.
The attacking side was never going to be a problem but I thought defensively you needed an overhaul. JV-TA era coming to an end, Dier erratic, Sanchez underwhelming, FBs both erratic and underwhelming! Plus Lloris looked to be falling apart with drunk driving charges alongside increasigg error.
One smart signing at LB and an astute signing in PEH and I’m being proven wrong - the defensive players are showing the discipline and ability needed in a Jose team.
posted on 22/11/20
Spurs can win the league this year. The league won't have a points tally like the last few seasons that's for sure. I expect the chaps to lose 5+ games.
Liverpool have so many out its not even close to a peak team, and it won't change anytime soon with who they have out and for how long.
City look jaded and rely on individual brilliance atm. Sterling and aguero are needed back asap or their chances are derailed.
Chelsea are the only team that can rival the PL I think. Better squad overallI'd say but a worse manager. Even then pulisic is key.
Jose has the players to get a goal and then park the bus effectively now.
If kane can stay fit I think spurs defo have a chance.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by Robb Pochettino - 🧢 Make United Great Again (U22311)
posted 40 minutes ago
People need to realise that United is a curse on players and managers these days.
Spurs was perfect for Jose. Some very good players and a fan base desperate for trophies. Great stadium and he had a year off from football and came back hungry and away from all the insane and unrealistic pressure at United and away from Ed Woodward and the Pogba situation.
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I’m going to back Spurs for the title this season. Not quite “doing a Leicester” obviously, but I wouldn’t have looked beyond Liverpool or City fora second at the start of the season so it would still be a major shock. City don’t seem to be there right now and I think Virgil’s injury will cost Liverpool over the course of the season. Nobody is better placed than Spurs to capitalise and obviously Mourinho has done it all before.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by Conn & Duncan..Scottish Legends (U15636)
posted 25 minutes ago
A lot of these players need a bit of a rest, especially after playing international friendlies... look what’s happened to Toby!!
But can we rely on squad players to do a job, at home to Ludogrets?!!
Look what happened against Royal Antwerp!!
No way should Kane play though.. he definitely needs a rest..as does Eric Dier...
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Squad players should be OK, they will be playing at WHL, so no travelling. No doubt though that some of the first team will be involved.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 15 minutes ago
I’ll happily admit, I’ve been surprised at how well it’s going for Jose at Spurs. Not because he’s past it etc etc but because I didn’t think you had the players for his game.
The attacking side was never going to be a problem but I thought defensively you needed an overhaul. JV-TA era coming to an end, Dier erratic, Sanchez underwhelming, FBs both erratic and underwhelming! Plus Lloris looked to be falling apart with drunk driving charges alongside increasigg error.
One smart signing at LB and an astute signing in PEH and I’m being proven wrong - the defensive players are showing the discipline and ability needed in a Jose team.
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The defence was never really a major worry, just needed a bit of tweaking. Even when they were making the odd brain farts or silly mistakes, Spurs were very rarely getting hammered by any teams. Usually just getting beat by the odd goal in the Prem. Only Brighton 3-0 last year was poor, and that was in the middle of a very poor one or two weeks spell, where the wheels came off the Poch regime, and included a 7-2 defeat to Bayern and also losing to Colchester. Other than that week or two though, the defence has in the main been pretty solid.
posted on 22/11/20
I’ll happily admit, I’ve been surprised at how well it’s going for Jose at Spurs. Not because he’s past it etc etc but because I didn’t think you had the players for his game.
The attacking side was never going to be a problem but I thought defensively you needed an overhaul.
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I agree. The club and Levy have done wonders in the transfer window gone to address the issues we had and add couple of players too.
Jose targeted the players he wanted and they seem to have worked out for us.
I looked at the starting line up yesterday and couldn't see anyone other than De Bruyne who I would exchange with City
Spurs may not win many games, and set the world alight but Spurs are lying foundation for a good future!
posted on 22/11/20
Spurs are doing well and cab win the league. My prediction is that they won't though. In my blunt view of thing things to squad cost I think Spurs have maybe the 6 th most expensive squad, and so I would consider it a success if they got CL qualification and a failure if they missed out on Europe altogether. If they can add a domestic cup on top of getting CL then that would be a nice cherry.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
Things looking good now but we need to see how we do at the end of the season. If we don't win anything then Mourinho has failed and he will have especially failed given the squad we have and the other big teams struggling with injuries and form. Then we have the possibility of losing players and Mourinho entering into his third season, which usually doesn't end so well.
The proof in the pudding will absolutely be in winning something. Being top and looking good in November does not matter greatly.
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So Jose has to win something, but Poch didn`t have to. Got you. I am sure Jose will win trophies, but I didn`t see the same demands put on Poch after just one season, in fact I didn`t see any demands put on Poch after five seasons.
If Mourinho has failed after say one full season if he doesn`t win a trophy, then surely you would place Poch in the same bracket as a failure, would you not.
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Completely agree with this Sandy.
The expectations for Jose are unbelievable - he has to win trophies in his first full season, whilst playing a mythical brand of football akin to 1970s Brazil. Apparently his wins against Utd and City don’t count as they’re only mid-table sides. When we win against a Top-6 side (Southampton), apparently that doesn’t count either as they’re not in the same bracket as Utd or City - which is strange as I thought they were deemed “mid-table” fodder. The only wins that can possibly count for anything are against Chelsea or Liverpool, as they’re “proper tests”, every other game should be a rout or else its Jose-out. Weird logic, looks rather ridiculous.
posted on 22/11/20
It would be so spursy to win the league when no fans get to see it in person 😂
posted on 22/11/20
It is a strange one with Jose. He’s a victim of his own success. He’s built such a reputation that people expect miracles (and let’s be frank, Spurs winning the league is a miracle) yet at the same time those same people will be the first to say Jose is past it and a yesterday man.
It’s okay to dislike the guy (quite why people would is strange - his moustache twirling, tongue in cheek devilry is more interesting that Pep’s guy next door everyman-ness). But try to give him some wiggle room on the noose around his neck.
Pep vs Jose is like the age old Beatles vs Stones debate. Pep is like the Beatles ‘I wanna hold your hand’ whereas Jose is like the Stones ‘Let’s spend the night together’.
posted on 22/11/20
You could argue the pressures on to win the league for Spurs.
Has Levy appointed a serial winner, backed him more than any manager he's had before with the expectation he's going to "only" match achievement's from previous managers? (top 4 in the case of Redknapp and Pochettino and domestic cup in the case of Ramos).
Levy will want the league and most importantly, so will Jose.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 16 minutes ago
Spurs are doing well and cab win the league. My prediction is that they won't though. In my blunt view of thing things to squad cost I think Spurs have maybe the 6 th most expensive squad, and so I would consider it a success if they got CL qualification and a failure if they missed out on Europe altogether. If they can add a domestic cup on top of getting CL then that would be a nice cherry.
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Squad cost doesn't equate to best squad of players.
As it stands Spurs have some of the best players in their positions in the league. The league doesn't lie. Spurs ste top despite dropping four silly points. They have as good a chance as any of lifting the title.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Question is, if you don’t win something this season what happens thereafter?
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What generally happens with Mourinho, is the fans aren't quite sure when he first takes over, don't like the stye of play he adopts, but are happy with the results, then if no trophies are forthcoming, 'Jose masterclasses', turn into turgid boring football, and it then turns to cries of 'we want our club back', and 'we don't care about results, and just want to see entertaining football', etc, etc.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by SirLes (U6965)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
Things looking good now but we need to see how we do at the end of the season. If we don't win anything then Mourinho has failed and he will have especially failed given the squad we have and the other big teams struggling with injuries and form. Then we have the possibility of losing players and Mourinho entering into his third season, which usually doesn't end so well.
The proof in the pudding will absolutely be in winning something. Being top and looking good in November does not matter greatly.
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So Jose has to win something, but Poch didn`t have to. Got you. I am sure Jose will win trophies, but I didn`t see the same demands put on Poch after just one season, in fact I didn`t see any demands put on Poch after five seasons.
If Mourinho has failed after say one full season if he doesn`t win a trophy, then surely you would place Poch in the same bracket as a failure, would you not.
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Completely agree with this Sandy.
The expectations for Jose are unbelievable - he has to win trophies in his first full season, whilst playing a mythical brand of football akin to 1970s Brazil. Apparently his wins against Utd and City don’t count as they’re only mid-table sides. When we win against a Top-6 side (Southampton), apparently that doesn’t count either as they’re not in the same bracket as Utd or City - which is strange as I thought they were deemed “mid-table” fodder. The only wins that can possibly count for anything are against Chelsea or Liverpool, as they’re “proper tests”, every other game should be a rout or else its Jose-out. Weird logic, looks rather ridiculous.
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posted on 22/11/20
Pep is like the Beatles ‘I wanna hold your hand’ whereas Jose is like the Stones ‘Let’s spend the night together’.
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What are you smoking Robb?
posted on 22/11/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
Things looking good now but we need to see how we do at the end of the season. If we don't win anything then Mourinho has failed and he will have especially failed given the squad we have and the other big teams struggling with injuries and form. Then we have the possibility of losing players and Mourinho entering into his third season, which usually doesn't end so well.
The proof in the pudding will absolutely be in winning something. Being top and looking good in November does not matter greatly.
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So Jose has to win something, but Poch didn`t have to. Got you. I am sure Jose will win trophies, but I didn`t see the same demands put on Poch after just one season, in fact I didn`t see any demands put on Poch after five seasons.
If Mourinho has failed after say one full season if he doesn`t win a trophy, then surely you would place Poch in the same bracket as a failure, would you not.
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Who said Poch didn't have to win anything? Poch in his defence wasn't properly backed by Levy. When he was given some backing it was too late because the team was already suffering. And Poch was the one that had to establish us as a top 4 club in the first place. The dynamic of the club has changed from since Poch first took over and when Mourinho first took over.
Mourinho has been well backed (maybe more so in one window than any other manager under Levy) and given his rep as a winner it stands to reason he needs to deliver on the trophy winning front.
posted on 22/11/20
It is a strange one with Jose. He’s a victim of his own success. He’s built such a reputation that people expect miracles (and let’s be frank, Spurs winning the league is a miracle) yet at the same time those same people will be the first to say Jose is past it and a yesterday man.
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It's the British Mentality of wanting to tear down someone who's successful the second you sense 'weakness'.
It happened to Wenger and just watch, Guardiola will be next.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Question is, if you don’t win something this season what happens thereafter?
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What generally happens with Mourinho, is the fans aren't quite sure when he first takes over, don't like the stye of play he adopts, but are happy with the results, then if no trophies are forthcoming, 'Jose masterclasses', turn into turgid boring football, and it then turns to cries of 'we want our club back', and 'we don't care about results, and just want to see entertaining football', etc, etc.
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I think it will take longer than going without a trophy this season for that to happen at Spurs. Generally the clubs he has managed previously are used to picking up trophies on a more regular basis than ourselves - so getting us very close this season will probably be enough.
Additionally the lack of fans makes it easier for Mou - you can’t have a restless crowd when there isn’t one in the first place.
However I am very confident that the trophy drought will end for us this season.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
Things looking good now but we need to see how we do at the end of the season. If we don't win anything then Mourinho has failed and he will have especially failed given the squad we have and the other big teams struggling with injuries and form. Then we have the possibility of losing players and Mourinho entering into his third season, which usually doesn't end so well.
The proof in the pudding will absolutely be in winning something. Being top and looking good in November does not matter greatly.
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So Jose has to win something, but Poch didn`t have to. Got you. I am sure Jose will win trophies, but I didn`t see the same demands put on Poch after just one season, in fact I didn`t see any demands put on Poch after five seasons.
If Mourinho has failed after say one full season if he doesn`t win a trophy, then surely you would place Poch in the same bracket as a failure, would you not.
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Who said Poch didn't have to win anything? Poch in his defence wasn't properly backed by Levy. When he was given some backing it was too late because the team was already suffering. And Poch was the one that had to establish us as a top 4 club in the first place. The dynamic of the club has changed from since Poch first took over and when Mourinho first took over.
Mourinho has been well backed (maybe more so in one window than any other manager under Levy) and given his rep as a winner it stands to reason he needs to deliver on the trophy winning front.
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Poch was backed with plenty of money, just didn't spend it wisely I am not having that old chestnut again. He purchased some awful players.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Question is, if you don’t win something this season what happens thereafter?
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Worrying.... I'm not sure kane would give us another year.
Even if he has worked up a great relationship with Jose he's got to the point bale got too far to good as an individual to have nothing to show for it.
posted on 22/11/20
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
Question is, if you don’t win something this season what happens thereafter?
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Worrying.... I'm not sure kane would give us another year.
Even if he has worked up a great relationship with Jose he's got to the point bale got too far to good as an individual to have nothing to show for it.
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Kane isn`t going nowhere, stop worrying.
posted on 22/11/20
Poch went a year without spending money when he needed new players most.
Imagine if they did that to Jose. He’d be moaning about it every single interview.
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