We received alot of criticism when Lloris played on when
he was concussed.
Very dangerous this needs to be looked at no point in gambling with players lives.
Yes agree. Arteta's statement after the game was odd. The medical team said Luiz was ok but then he wasn't OK? Very unsatisfactory explanation.
Yeah he should have come off, especially when his head started bleeding again. Think the idea of giving teams a free sub for concussion would help, less likely to have a manager make a player carry on
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 28 minutes ago
Yeah he should have come off, especially when his head started bleeding again. Think the idea of giving teams a free sub for concussion would help, less likely to have a manager make a player carry on
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100% he should have come off. It was irresponsible & dangerous to let him carry on playing and I would hope that someone steps in and levees a fine or something because it just shouldn't happen.
Something to be careful about with the free sub stuff is teams milking it for a free 4th sub. Very hard to prove concussion, I'd imagine you'd see a sharp increase in the number of recorded concussions if they brought that in!
I persobally feel there should be an independent doctor for each match who will make the call.
Fractured skull, I hope he makes a full recovery
Horrible injury.
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 13 minutes ago
I persobally feel there should be an independent doctor for each match who will make the call.
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They should at the very least be the one that determines whether a player is fit to continue playing. \Given the ludicrous money already in football, the cost of one extra match day official (who happens to be a doctor!) can't be that much.
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 28 minutes ago
Yeah he should have come off, especially when his head started bleeding again. Think the idea of giving teams a free sub for concussion would help, less likely to have a manager make a player carry on
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100% he should have come off. It was irresponsible & dangerous to let him carry on playing and I would hope that someone steps in and levees a fine or something because it just shouldn't happen.
Something to be careful about with the free sub stuff is teams milking it for a free 4th sub. Very hard to prove concussion, I'd imagine you'd see a sharp increase in the number of recorded concussions if they brought that in!
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The easiest way to curb any dodgy substitutions would be to add a ruling that any player subbed for concussion - even precautionary - would automatically miss the next league match.
If he was ok, he wouldn't have come off at half time. Granted we don't know all the conversations that went on, but just seems silly to carry on at that point because it was a particularly nasty blow considering Jiminez has ended up with a fractured skull, tells you all you need to know.
Head trauma's need to be addressed more. I think maybe you can use an extra sub for an accidental head injury perhaps for example.
Luiz passed the concussion tests.
Why should Arteta be sanctioned? He’s not a doctor ffs. The medical team on the other hand have another notch under their never ending belt of mishaps at Arsenal on the other hand
Remember that: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1090706255365136385/pu/vid/720x1280/AhsW4OA2UKwL1Qif.mp4?tag=6
Second time this has happened to Luiz now, within a couple of years.
Completely irresponsible...allowing Luiz to continue with a concussion.
Defies the concussion protocol put in place.
- The medical staff will assess the injured player. If there has been a confirmed or suspected period of loss of consciousness, the player MUST be removed from the field of play, and not be allowed to return.
Luiz never lost consciousness though. And he passed all the tests.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
Luiz passed the concussion tests.
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That doesn't mean that the test itself is correct though does it.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
Luiz passed the concussion tests.
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That doesn't mean that the test itself is correct though does it.
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I don't think you can blame Arsenal if the test isn't good enough though.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
Luiz passed the concussion tests.
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That doesn't mean that the test itself is correct though does it.
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I don't think you can blame Arsenal if the test isn't good enough though.
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Well I can because they are trained physios who should know better in that situation. Sometimes you have to go against what the protocol may say for the benefit of the player.
How can referees give penalties for minimal contact, but not see blood seeping through the head bandage on Luiz and not order him off for safety? with covid-19 even getting blood on the ball is a danger?
Equally Arteta had a duty of care to Luiz, must have been aware of the blood, with a direct replacement in Holding no question he should have gone off for safety. that's why they should be sanctioned?
comment by GrJ Berks (U21299)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
How can referees give penalties for minimal contact, but not see blood seeping through the head bandage on Luiz and not order him off for safety? with covid-19 even getting blood on the ball is a danger?
Equally Arteta had a duty of care to Luiz, must have been aware of the blood, with a direct replacement in Holding no question he should have gone off for safety. that's why they should be sanctioned?
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As far as I know blood is not a transport agent for coronavirus.
However, I said immediately he needed to be subbed off, you simply cannot continue playing like that, especially as a CB that needs to head the ball, you cannot afford to have any cause for hesitation as a defender... Then we conceded two goals.
🙄
I was disappointed in Arteta for keeping him on the pitch, surely in instances like that he's gotta be looking out for the well being of his players?
That said, if he's told by his medical team then it's fine, maybe he just goes on good faith. Maybe that is naive.
Either way there needs to be things in place to avoid someone slipping through the cracks.
Although you started off pointing the finger at Arsenal's medical team or coaches, you eventually got to the real point. Football needs to address this and make definitive rule changes. And I just can't see any reason not to change things and to do it now.
Until football makes concussion substitutions mandatory, whether that means temporary subs like rugby's blood bin, or extra subs outside the usual 3, clubs will always do the bare minimal and quickest "concussion protocol" checks they can do to minimise the time the player is off the pitch. At the moment you are literally at a disadvantage to properly look after your player, as you are either down a player while you properly assess him, or you lose one of your 3 subs for someone who is potentially going to be fine to carry on after he clears his head.
It's FIFA who need their heads checked! ehehehe
Play stopped for 9 minutes. He was assessed in that time. Are you suggesting that any player who has a head injury should have a minimum time taken to asses them, maybe you think it should take 15 minutes.
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 1 minute ago
Play stopped for 9 minutes. He was assessed in that time. Are you suggesting that any player who has a head injury should have a minimum time taken to asses them, maybe you think it should take 15 minutes.
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They should just be brought off full stop and monitored for a long time after.
I'm not an expert so I don't know how long the effects of concussion can last, but I think it can hit you a fair bit later. Putting yourself at risk by heading the ball just isn't worth it.
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
Play stopped for 9 minutes. He was assessed in that time. Are you suggesting that any player who has a head injury should have a minimum time taken to asses them, maybe you think it should take 15 minutes.
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Sure why not?
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posted on 30/11/20
We received alot of criticism when Lloris played on when
he was concussed.
Very dangerous this needs to be looked at no point in gambling with players lives.
posted on 30/11/20
Yes agree. Arteta's statement after the game was odd. The medical team said Luiz was ok but then he wasn't OK? Very unsatisfactory explanation.
posted on 30/11/20
Yeah he should have come off, especially when his head started bleeding again. Think the idea of giving teams a free sub for concussion would help, less likely to have a manager make a player carry on
posted on 30/11/20
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 28 minutes ago
Yeah he should have come off, especially when his head started bleeding again. Think the idea of giving teams a free sub for concussion would help, less likely to have a manager make a player carry on
----------------------------------------------------------------------
100% he should have come off. It was irresponsible & dangerous to let him carry on playing and I would hope that someone steps in and levees a fine or something because it just shouldn't happen.
Something to be careful about with the free sub stuff is teams milking it for a free 4th sub. Very hard to prove concussion, I'd imagine you'd see a sharp increase in the number of recorded concussions if they brought that in!
posted on 30/11/20
I persobally feel there should be an independent doctor for each match who will make the call.
posted on 30/11/20
Fractured skull, I hope he makes a full recovery
Horrible injury.
posted on 30/11/20
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 13 minutes ago
I persobally feel there should be an independent doctor for each match who will make the call.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They should at the very least be the one that determines whether a player is fit to continue playing. \Given the ludicrous money already in football, the cost of one extra match day official (who happens to be a doctor!) can't be that much.
posted on 30/11/20
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 28 minutes ago
Yeah he should have come off, especially when his head started bleeding again. Think the idea of giving teams a free sub for concussion would help, less likely to have a manager make a player carry on
----------------------------------------------------------------------
100% he should have come off. It was irresponsible & dangerous to let him carry on playing and I would hope that someone steps in and levees a fine or something because it just shouldn't happen.
Something to be careful about with the free sub stuff is teams milking it for a free 4th sub. Very hard to prove concussion, I'd imagine you'd see a sharp increase in the number of recorded concussions if they brought that in!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The easiest way to curb any dodgy substitutions would be to add a ruling that any player subbed for concussion - even precautionary - would automatically miss the next league match.
posted on 30/11/20
If he was ok, he wouldn't have come off at half time. Granted we don't know all the conversations that went on, but just seems silly to carry on at that point because it was a particularly nasty blow considering Jiminez has ended up with a fractured skull, tells you all you need to know.
Head trauma's need to be addressed more. I think maybe you can use an extra sub for an accidental head injury perhaps for example.
posted on 30/11/20
Luiz passed the concussion tests.
posted on 30/11/20
Why should Arteta be sanctioned? He’s not a doctor ffs. The medical team on the other hand have another notch under their never ending belt of mishaps at Arsenal on the other hand
posted on 30/11/20
Remember that: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1090706255365136385/pu/vid/720x1280/AhsW4OA2UKwL1Qif.mp4?tag=6
Second time this has happened to Luiz now, within a couple of years.
Completely irresponsible...allowing Luiz to continue with a concussion.
Defies the concussion protocol put in place.
- The medical staff will assess the injured player. If there has been a confirmed or suspected period of loss of consciousness, the player MUST be removed from the field of play, and not be allowed to return.
posted on 30/11/20
Luiz never lost consciousness though. And he passed all the tests.
posted on 30/11/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
Luiz passed the concussion tests.
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That doesn't mean that the test itself is correct though does it.
posted on 30/11/20
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
Luiz passed the concussion tests.
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That doesn't mean that the test itself is correct though does it.
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I don't think you can blame Arsenal if the test isn't good enough though.
posted on 30/11/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
Luiz passed the concussion tests.
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That doesn't mean that the test itself is correct though does it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think you can blame Arsenal if the test isn't good enough though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well I can because they are trained physios who should know better in that situation. Sometimes you have to go against what the protocol may say for the benefit of the player.
posted on 30/11/20
How can referees give penalties for minimal contact, but not see blood seeping through the head bandage on Luiz and not order him off for safety? with covid-19 even getting blood on the ball is a danger?
Equally Arteta had a duty of care to Luiz, must have been aware of the blood, with a direct replacement in Holding no question he should have gone off for safety. that's why they should be sanctioned?
posted on 30/11/20
comment by GrJ Berks (U21299)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
How can referees give penalties for minimal contact, but not see blood seeping through the head bandage on Luiz and not order him off for safety? with covid-19 even getting blood on the ball is a danger?
Equally Arteta had a duty of care to Luiz, must have been aware of the blood, with a direct replacement in Holding no question he should have gone off for safety. that's why they should be sanctioned?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As far as I know blood is not a transport agent for coronavirus.
However, I said immediately he needed to be subbed off, you simply cannot continue playing like that, especially as a CB that needs to head the ball, you cannot afford to have any cause for hesitation as a defender... Then we conceded two goals.
🙄
posted on 30/11/20
I was disappointed in Arteta for keeping him on the pitch, surely in instances like that he's gotta be looking out for the well being of his players?
That said, if he's told by his medical team then it's fine, maybe he just goes on good faith. Maybe that is naive.
Either way there needs to be things in place to avoid someone slipping through the cracks.
posted on 30/11/20
Although you started off pointing the finger at Arsenal's medical team or coaches, you eventually got to the real point. Football needs to address this and make definitive rule changes. And I just can't see any reason not to change things and to do it now.
Until football makes concussion substitutions mandatory, whether that means temporary subs like rugby's blood bin, or extra subs outside the usual 3, clubs will always do the bare minimal and quickest "concussion protocol" checks they can do to minimise the time the player is off the pitch. At the moment you are literally at a disadvantage to properly look after your player, as you are either down a player while you properly assess him, or you lose one of your 3 subs for someone who is potentially going to be fine to carry on after he clears his head.
It's FIFA who need their heads checked! ehehehe
posted on 30/11/20
Play stopped for 9 minutes. He was assessed in that time. Are you suggesting that any player who has a head injury should have a minimum time taken to asses them, maybe you think it should take 15 minutes.
posted on 30/11/20
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 1 minute ago
Play stopped for 9 minutes. He was assessed in that time. Are you suggesting that any player who has a head injury should have a minimum time taken to asses them, maybe you think it should take 15 minutes.
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They should just be brought off full stop and monitored for a long time after.
I'm not an expert so I don't know how long the effects of concussion can last, but I think it can hit you a fair bit later. Putting yourself at risk by heading the ball just isn't worth it.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
Play stopped for 9 minutes. He was assessed in that time. Are you suggesting that any player who has a head injury should have a minimum time taken to asses them, maybe you think it should take 15 minutes.
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Sure why not?
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