I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is Tammy faster than Giroud? Yes
Does that mean Giroud won't make better movement and timed runs in the box in comparison to Tammy? No
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I think Tammy’s main strength is his movement, in which he is one of the best in the league at. I would say his finishing and that he struggles to play his way out of form are his biggest weaknesses.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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I don't think his movement is good in crowded pen areas. Heading is a noticeable weakness in his game, and I hope he can improve those aspects in order to progress
I think in the first half Spurs had the measure of Chelsea tactically, they looked like they had Chelsea sussed in attack and were looking incredibly dangerous on the counter. At that point it screamed one of those 1-0 to Jose type games that you saw so often when he managed Chelsea and especially Inter.
But Lampard (possibly with the help of the inside knowledge of how Jose's mind works in these type of situations) seemed to fix it in the dressing room at half time and the second half was all Chelsea.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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I think there's a reason Chelsea fans love Giroud while Arsenal fans use to be frustrated as f by him.
His managers at Chelsea only seem to use him when his form merits it meaning Chelsea fans see a lot more of his good than bad compared to Wenger who had him as number 1 for years so Arsenal fans had to bear the full fallout of his streaky form and destructive goal droughts (which in my opinion cost Arsenal two title's).
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posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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the OP wasn’t necessarily addressed to you anyway. I think Abraham is a really quality player and gets unfair criticism/blamed for a result which he wasn’t at fault for. In general players who aren’t the best finishers but are exceptional at creating the opportunities for themselves to get good chances get unfairly criticised.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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I think there's a reason Chelsea fans love Giroud while Arsenal fans use to be frustrated as f by him.
His managers at Chelsea only seem to use him when his form merits it meaning Chelsea fans see a lot more of his good than bad compared to Wenger who had him as number 1 for years so Arsenal fans had to bear the full fallout of his streaky form and destructive goal droughts (which in my opinion cost Arsenal two title's).
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This is a fair point.
Devon, let’s not waste everyone’s time with unnecessary semantics
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is Tammy faster than Giroud? Yes
Does that mean Giroud won't make better movement and timed runs in the box in comparison to Tammy? No
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I think Tammy’s main strength is his movement, in which he is one of the best in the league at. I would say his finishing and that he struggles to play his way out of form are his biggest weaknesses.
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Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is Tammy faster than Giroud? Yes
Does that mean Giroud won't make better movement and timed runs in the box in comparison to Tammy? No
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I think Tammy’s main strength is his movement, in which he is one of the best in the league at. I would say his finishing and that he struggles to play his way out of form are his biggest weaknesses.
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Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
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That’s an outrageous statement
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posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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the OP wasn’t necessarily addressed to you anyway. I think Abraham is a really quality player and gets unfair criticism/blamed for a result which he wasn’t at fault for. In general players who aren’t the best finishers but are exceptional at creating the opportunities for themselves to get good chances get unfairly criticised.
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I don't know. The consensus on the Haven wasn't that Tammy deserves to be dropped for the Spurs game, more that Giroud was the horses for courses selection for this game in particular. In general I think most Chelsea fans ha e been happy with Tammy this season, but want to see him improve.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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the OP wasn’t necessarily addressed to you anyway. I think Abraham is a really quality player and gets unfair criticism/blamed for a result which he wasn’t at fault for. In general players who aren’t the best finishers but are exceptional at creating the opportunities for themselves to get good chances get unfairly criticised.
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I don't know. The consensus on the Haven wasn't that Tammy deserves to be dropped for the Spurs game, more that Giroud was the horses for courses selection for this game in particular. In general I think most Chelsea fans ha e been happy with Tammy this season, but want to see him improve.
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more a case you don’t trust him for the bigger games?
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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I think there's a reason Chelsea fans love Giroud while Arsenal fans use to be frustrated as f by him.
His managers at Chelsea only seem to use him when his form merits it meaning Chelsea fans see a lot more of his good than bad compared to Wenger who had him as number 1 for years so Arsenal fans had to bear the full fallout of his streaky form and destructive goal droughts (which in my opinion cost Arsenal two title's).
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Short version.. Giroud has never had to live up to the expectations of being first choice striker at Chelsea. Which is a good point.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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the OP wasn’t necessarily addressed to you anyway. I think Abraham is a really quality player and gets unfair criticism/blamed for a result which he wasn’t at fault for. In general players who aren’t the best finishers but are exceptional at creating the opportunities for themselves to get good chances get unfairly criticised.
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I don't know. The consensus on the Haven wasn't that Tammy deserves to be dropped for the Spurs game, more that Giroud was the horses for courses selection for this game in particular. In general I think most Chelsea fans ha e been happy with Tammy this season, but want to see him improve.
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more a case you don’t trust him for the bigger games?
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No, thats not the case. Lampard turned to Giroud post lockdown to secure us 4th place and the season before that Sarri uaws him all the way to the EL final.
In a similar vein, before the season you’d have said that Chelsea away is the third hardest fixture of the season for us
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i would have it as the hardest game, or possibly narrowly second to Liverpool away. our record there is just an absolute disgrace
when i look at the fixture list at the start of the season i usually write off Liverpool away and Chelsea away.
city away I'm normally confident of taking a point if not 3. same at OT and Emirates, even though we still rarely win on those grounds
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posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is Tammy faster than Giroud? Yes
Does that mean Giroud won't make better movement and timed runs in the box in comparison to Tammy? No
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I think Tammy’s main strength is his movement, in which he is one of the best in the league at. I would say his finishing and that he struggles to play his way out of form are his biggest weaknesses.
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Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
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That’s an outrageous statement
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Edin
2 things...
1) did you see his finish to get us a win in the CL last week...?
2) Go look up Outrageous & see if this still works as a statement
i'll wait
buried both
Abraham couldnt even get his head to them, not like he got on the end of them and missed a chance
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posted 16 minutes ago
buried both
Abraham couldnt even get his head to them, not like he got on the end of them and missed a chance
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What does Abraham's lack of finishing have to do with Giroud's....
Do you think Abraham would score as many playing for France as Giroud
He probably wouldn't
Giroud proving a point tonight.
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posted on 1/12/20
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
posted on 1/12/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is Tammy faster than Giroud? Yes
Does that mean Giroud won't make better movement and timed runs in the box in comparison to Tammy? No
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I think Tammy’s main strength is his movement, in which he is one of the best in the league at. I would say his finishing and that he struggles to play his way out of form are his biggest weaknesses.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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I don't think his movement is good in crowded pen areas. Heading is a noticeable weakness in his game, and I hope he can improve those aspects in order to progress
posted on 1/12/20
I think in the first half Spurs had the measure of Chelsea tactically, they looked like they had Chelsea sussed in attack and were looking incredibly dangerous on the counter. At that point it screamed one of those 1-0 to Jose type games that you saw so often when he managed Chelsea and especially Inter.
But Lampard (possibly with the help of the inside knowledge of how Jose's mind works in these type of situations) seemed to fix it in the dressing room at half time and the second half was all Chelsea.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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I think there's a reason Chelsea fans love Giroud while Arsenal fans use to be frustrated as f by him.
His managers at Chelsea only seem to use him when his form merits it meaning Chelsea fans see a lot more of his good than bad compared to Wenger who had him as number 1 for years so Arsenal fans had to bear the full fallout of his streaky form and destructive goal droughts (which in my opinion cost Arsenal two title's).
posted on 1/12/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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the OP wasn’t necessarily addressed to you anyway. I think Abraham is a really quality player and gets unfair criticism/blamed for a result which he wasn’t at fault for. In general players who aren’t the best finishers but are exceptional at creating the opportunities for themselves to get good chances get unfairly criticised.
posted on 1/12/20
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comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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I think there's a reason Chelsea fans love Giroud while Arsenal fans use to be frustrated as f by him.
His managers at Chelsea only seem to use him when his form merits it meaning Chelsea fans see a lot more of his good than bad compared to Wenger who had him as number 1 for years so Arsenal fans had to bear the full fallout of his streaky form and destructive goal droughts (which in my opinion cost Arsenal two title's).
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This is a fair point.
Devon, let’s not waste everyone’s time with unnecessary semantics
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is Tammy faster than Giroud? Yes
Does that mean Giroud won't make better movement and timed runs in the box in comparison to Tammy? No
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I think Tammy’s main strength is his movement, in which he is one of the best in the league at. I would say his finishing and that he struggles to play his way out of form are his biggest weaknesses.
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Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
posted on 1/12/20
Fine. Delete the logic
posted on 1/12/20
‘Logic’
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is Tammy faster than Giroud? Yes
Does that mean Giroud won't make better movement and timed runs in the box in comparison to Tammy? No
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I think Tammy’s main strength is his movement, in which he is one of the best in the league at. I would say his finishing and that he struggles to play his way out of form are his biggest weaknesses.
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Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
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That’s an outrageous statement
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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the OP wasn’t necessarily addressed to you anyway. I think Abraham is a really quality player and gets unfair criticism/blamed for a result which he wasn’t at fault for. In general players who aren’t the best finishers but are exceptional at creating the opportunities for themselves to get good chances get unfairly criticised.
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I don't know. The consensus on the Haven wasn't that Tammy deserves to be dropped for the Spurs game, more that Giroud was the horses for courses selection for this game in particular. In general I think most Chelsea fans ha e been happy with Tammy this season, but want to see him improve.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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the OP wasn’t necessarily addressed to you anyway. I think Abraham is a really quality player and gets unfair criticism/blamed for a result which he wasn’t at fault for. In general players who aren’t the best finishers but are exceptional at creating the opportunities for themselves to get good chances get unfairly criticised.
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I don't know. The consensus on the Haven wasn't that Tammy deserves to be dropped for the Spurs game, more that Giroud was the horses for courses selection for this game in particular. In general I think most Chelsea fans ha e been happy with Tammy this season, but want to see him improve.
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more a case you don’t trust him for the bigger games?
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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I think there's a reason Chelsea fans love Giroud while Arsenal fans use to be frustrated as f by him.
His managers at Chelsea only seem to use him when his form merits it meaning Chelsea fans see a lot more of his good than bad compared to Wenger who had him as number 1 for years so Arsenal fans had to bear the full fallout of his streaky form and destructive goal droughts (which in my opinion cost Arsenal two title's).
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Short version.. Giroud has never had to live up to the expectations of being first choice striker at Chelsea. Which is a good point.
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I’m happy to dismiss it as a primary argument despite the fact that it may support an argument. Shearer, for example, seems unable to judge strikers on a level different from his own (his own being the greatest finisher the PL has ever seen). I think the Abraham narrative is lazy - the truth is that Frank set you up very conservatively and didn’t produce any real clear-cut chances until Rodon’s screw up at the end
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But my narrative is not that we would have won with Giroud instead of Tammy. It is that we would have had a better chance to do so. And that is not just on the James crosses, it's onGurouds back to goal link up skills for ayers like Werner and Ziyech.
But anyway, it's just opinions about players at the end of the day.
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the OP wasn’t necessarily addressed to you anyway. I think Abraham is a really quality player and gets unfair criticism/blamed for a result which he wasn’t at fault for. In general players who aren’t the best finishers but are exceptional at creating the opportunities for themselves to get good chances get unfairly criticised.
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I don't know. The consensus on the Haven wasn't that Tammy deserves to be dropped for the Spurs game, more that Giroud was the horses for courses selection for this game in particular. In general I think most Chelsea fans ha e been happy with Tammy this season, but want to see him improve.
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more a case you don’t trust him for the bigger games?
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No, thats not the case. Lampard turned to Giroud post lockdown to secure us 4th place and the season before that Sarri uaws him all the way to the EL final.
posted on 1/12/20
In a similar vein, before the season you’d have said that Chelsea away is the third hardest fixture of the season for us
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i would have it as the hardest game, or possibly narrowly second to Liverpool away. our record there is just an absolute disgrace
posted on 1/12/20
True
posted on 1/12/20
when i look at the fixture list at the start of the season i usually write off Liverpool away and Chelsea away.
city away I'm normally confident of taking a point if not 3. same at OT and Emirates, even though we still rarely win on those grounds
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
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comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
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comment by Edinspur (U1109)
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is Tammy faster than Giroud? Yes
Does that mean Giroud won't make better movement and timed runs in the box in comparison to Tammy? No
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I think Tammy’s main strength is his movement, in which he is one of the best in the league at. I would say his finishing and that he struggles to play his way out of form are his biggest weaknesses.
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Bottom line is Giroud (in position) would have buried both of those headed chances
Question is would he have been in position...we'll never know because Frank lacked the bottle to swap them at HT when he should have
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That’s an outrageous statement
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Edin
2 things...
1) did you see his finish to get us a win in the CL last week...?
2) Go look up Outrageous & see if this still works as a statement
i'll wait
posted on 1/12/20
buried both
Abraham couldnt even get his head to them, not like he got on the end of them and missed a chance
posted on 1/12/20
comment by Phenom - least knowledgeable spurs ... (U20037)
posted 16 minutes ago
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Abraham couldnt even get his head to them, not like he got on the end of them and missed a chance
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What does Abraham's lack of finishing have to do with Giroud's....
posted on 1/12/20
Do you think Abraham would score as many playing for France as Giroud
He probably wouldn't
posted on 2/12/20
Giroud proving a point tonight.
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