I really don’t get this waiting option. He is not going to win us trophy’s. Every other fan that supports a top 4 team. Wants him to stay and there is a reason for that. How many United fans want Klopp or Pep to stay at their Clubs for the next few years?
He gets till May for me unless we fall apart beforehand.
Our squad is somewhere between 3rd and 5th in terms of quality. We are 5pts off top with a game in hand.
The real issue is our fans want Fergie like results from a team that isn't the best anymore. That's the issue.
I think if you got a higher points total than last season and got closer to the title, that would be enough to keep Ole at the club, even if he missed out on winning something.
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
People also forget Fergie didn't compete for the title from 2003 to 2007 because he needed TIME to rebuild the team, like Ole is doing.
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
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posted 10 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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Why just 2 more ?
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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Why just 2 more ?
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Because that would be more than enough to say goodbye if he doesn't win the title.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
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Not really. Zero trophies at Spurs in his first season.
Outsider looking in obviously...
But, surly he goes if you lose the Manchester derby?
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
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Not really. Zero trophies at Spurs in his first season.
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Some of us were disappointed he didn't get further in the FA Cup and I suppose win it, considering Arteta did.
Nevertheless this is now his first full season with players brought in over the summer so we expect success this season.
For me, it is usually when the team have given up ... It was obvious with Moyes, LvG and Jose... When it is obvious with Ole, that is likely they time.
Of course, of they are still behind him, yet we finish a good few points behind top 4 or have a dreadful spell that puts us in a real tricky spot. Then it's also probably time.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
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Not really. Zero trophies at Spurs in his first season.
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Some of us were disappointed he didn't get further in the FA Cup and I suppose win it, considering Arteta did.
Nevertheless this is now his first full season with players brought in over the summer so we expect success this season.
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Ole the more likely to win a trophy this season than Jose. A decent start in the league and Spurs supporters are putting their ribbons on every trophy in sight!
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posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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Why just 2 more ?
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Because that would be more than enough to say goodbye if he doesn't win the title.
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Do you really believe Ole will take us from where we are currently, to winning a title within 2 more seasons?
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 21 minutes ago
He gets till May for me unless we fall apart beforehand.
Our squad is somewhere between 3rd and 5th in terms of quality. We are 5pts off top with a game in hand.
The real issue is our fans want Fergie like results from a team that isn't the best anymore. That's the issue.
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As a rival if I may. Too many spoilt fans that knew nothing but success under Fergie throwing their toys out of the pram because the good times have gone lean.
It happens all teams. Football is cyclical, no team dominates forever. I waited 30 years between title wins.
Personally I dont think he is the man to lead you lads where you want to be but I do think he will leave it in good shape for the next guy. Probably deserves the remainder of the season but if you want to progress a parting of ways would be best then regardless of league finish unless of course you won it which would mean you couldn't sack him.
Just my opinion.
Unless the next man wants the exact same players and to use the exact same tactics as Ole then I see no reason to wait personally
No team stays at the top forever, but its about doing everything to get back there as quickly as possible.
Is Ole really the best available???
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 48 seconds ago
Unless the next man wants the exact same players and to use the exact same tactics as Ole then I see no reason to wait personally
No team stays at the top forever, but its about doing everything to get back there as quickly as possible.
Is Ole really the best available???
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Remember in the OP when you said "We know many already want Ole replaced (myself included) so this question isn't for them"
Why are you now insisting on giving your view on everyone's opinion?
comment by SuperFrank (U15103)
posted 20 minutes ago
Outsider looking in obviously...
But, surly he goes if you lose the Manchester derby?
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I don't think that's a given at all - far from it. Despite the home form, we're currently in a decent position in the league. While last night was a massive disappointment, especially after the start we'd made in the group, finishing ahead of both PSG and RB Leipzing was never something we could assume would happen - a good team was always going out of that group.
I do think Ole's days are numbered now but I'm not sure a derby defeat would spell the end immediately. Maybe if it's 6-1 again...
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 32 minutes ago
He gets till May for me unless we fall apart beforehand.
Our squad is somewhere between 3rd and 5th in terms of quality. We are 5pts off top with a game in hand.
The real issue is our fans want Fergie like results from a team that isn't the best anymore. That's the issue.
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I love Ole and I truly want him to succeed. I also won't go on a crusade against him here either.
However, biting the bullet now and being ruthless may be the best thing for the club in the long term. It would remove the 'well that'll do' vibe that's around at present.
Stretty was wrong on a lot of things in the past but hindsight showed us that he wasn't wrong in how we've just accepted a drop in standards.
In an ideal world it would be Ole leading us to these high standards.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 48 seconds ago
Unless the next man wants the exact same players and to use the exact same tactics as Ole then I see no reason to wait personally
No team stays at the top forever, but its about doing everything to get back there as quickly as possible.
Is Ole really the best available???
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Remember in the OP when you said "We know many already want Ole replaced (myself included) so this question isn't for them"
Why are you now insisting on giving your view on everyone's opinion?
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I was giving it to a none United supporter but hey ho. I shall refrain from questioning the opinions of those that back Ole until we have all we are going to get and then we can discuss the opinions.
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
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Not really. Zero trophies at Spurs in his first season.
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At United dipshiiit. Everyone demanded instant success from mourinho at United. Which he brought but it still wasn’t enough
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 21 minutes ago
He gets till May for me unless we fall apart beforehand.
Our squad is somewhere between 3rd and 5th in terms of quality. We are 5pts off top with a game in hand.
The real issue is our fans want Fergie like results from a team that isn't the best anymore. That's the issue.
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As a rival if I may.
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no, you may not.
though i agree with most of that.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
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Not really. Zero trophies at Spurs in his first season.
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At United dipshiiit. Everyone demanded instant success from mourinho at United. Which he brought but it still wasn’t enough
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I couldn't wait to see the back of him during that third season, it's like he's got some built in self destruct mechanism after 2 years.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
It would remove the 'well that'll do' vibe that's around at present.
Stretty was wrong on a lot of things in the past but hindsight showed us that he wasn't wrong in how we've just accepted a drop in standards.
In an ideal world it would be Ole leading us to these high standards.
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I don't really get this part, tbh.
Who exactly is accepting this "drop in standards" that can do anything about it?
Unless every ST holder tears their ticket up every time we have a bad run, what more can be done? Twitter is awash with people screaming for Ole to be sacked... this that and the other player to quit etc. It's not like every defeat is peacefully accepted because it is Ole.
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posted on 9/12/20
I really don’t get this waiting option. He is not going to win us trophy’s. Every other fan that supports a top 4 team. Wants him to stay and there is a reason for that. How many United fans want Klopp or Pep to stay at their Clubs for the next few years?
posted on 9/12/20
He gets till May for me unless we fall apart beforehand.
Our squad is somewhere between 3rd and 5th in terms of quality. We are 5pts off top with a game in hand.
The real issue is our fans want Fergie like results from a team that isn't the best anymore. That's the issue.
posted on 9/12/20
I think if you got a higher points total than last season and got closer to the title, that would be enough to keep Ole at the club, even if he missed out on winning something.
posted on 9/12/20
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
posted on 9/12/20
People also forget Fergie didn't compete for the title from 2003 to 2007 because he needed TIME to rebuild the team, like Ole is doing.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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posted on 9/12/20
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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Why just 2 more ?
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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Why just 2 more ?
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Because that would be more than enough to say goodbye if he doesn't win the title.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
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Not really. Zero trophies at Spurs in his first season.
posted on 9/12/20
Outsider looking in obviously...
But, surly he goes if you lose the Manchester derby?
posted on 9/12/20
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
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Not really. Zero trophies at Spurs in his first season.
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Some of us were disappointed he didn't get further in the FA Cup and I suppose win it, considering Arteta did.
Nevertheless this is now his first full season with players brought in over the summer so we expect success this season.
posted on 9/12/20
For me, it is usually when the team have given up ... It was obvious with Moyes, LvG and Jose... When it is obvious with Ole, that is likely they time.
Of course, of they are still behind him, yet we finish a good few points behind top 4 or have a dreadful spell that puts us in a real tricky spot. Then it's also probably time.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
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Not really. Zero trophies at Spurs in his first season.
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Some of us were disappointed he didn't get further in the FA Cup and I suppose win it, considering Arteta did.
Nevertheless this is now his first full season with players brought in over the summer so we expect success this season.
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Ole the more likely to win a trophy this season than Jose. A decent start in the league and Spurs supporters are putting their ribbons on every trophy in sight!
posted on 9/12/20
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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Why just 2 more ?
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Because that would be more than enough to say goodbye if he doesn't win the title.
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Do you really believe Ole will take us from where we are currently, to winning a title within 2 more seasons?
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 21 minutes ago
He gets till May for me unless we fall apart beforehand.
Our squad is somewhere between 3rd and 5th in terms of quality. We are 5pts off top with a game in hand.
The real issue is our fans want Fergie like results from a team that isn't the best anymore. That's the issue.
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As a rival if I may. Too many spoilt fans that knew nothing but success under Fergie throwing their toys out of the pram because the good times have gone lean.
It happens all teams. Football is cyclical, no team dominates forever. I waited 30 years between title wins.
Personally I dont think he is the man to lead you lads where you want to be but I do think he will leave it in good shape for the next guy. Probably deserves the remainder of the season but if you want to progress a parting of ways would be best then regardless of league finish unless of course you won it which would mean you couldn't sack him.
Just my opinion.
posted on 9/12/20
Unless the next man wants the exact same players and to use the exact same tactics as Ole then I see no reason to wait personally
No team stays at the top forever, but its about doing everything to get back there as quickly as possible.
Is Ole really the best available???
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 48 seconds ago
Unless the next man wants the exact same players and to use the exact same tactics as Ole then I see no reason to wait personally
No team stays at the top forever, but its about doing everything to get back there as quickly as possible.
Is Ole really the best available???
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Remember in the OP when you said "We know many already want Ole replaced (myself included) so this question isn't for them"
Why are you now insisting on giving your view on everyone's opinion?
posted on 9/12/20
comment by SuperFrank (U15103)
posted 20 minutes ago
Outsider looking in obviously...
But, surly he goes if you lose the Manchester derby?
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I don't think that's a given at all - far from it. Despite the home form, we're currently in a decent position in the league. While last night was a massive disappointment, especially after the start we'd made in the group, finishing ahead of both PSG and RB Leipzing was never something we could assume would happen - a good team was always going out of that group.
I do think Ole's days are numbered now but I'm not sure a derby defeat would spell the end immediately. Maybe if it's 6-1 again...
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 32 minutes ago
He gets till May for me unless we fall apart beforehand.
Our squad is somewhere between 3rd and 5th in terms of quality. We are 5pts off top with a game in hand.
The real issue is our fans want Fergie like results from a team that isn't the best anymore. That's the issue.
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I love Ole and I truly want him to succeed. I also won't go on a crusade against him here either.
However, biting the bullet now and being ruthless may be the best thing for the club in the long term. It would remove the 'well that'll do' vibe that's around at present.
Stretty was wrong on a lot of things in the past but hindsight showed us that he wasn't wrong in how we've just accepted a drop in standards.
In an ideal world it would be Ole leading us to these high standards.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 48 seconds ago
Unless the next man wants the exact same players and to use the exact same tactics as Ole then I see no reason to wait personally
No team stays at the top forever, but its about doing everything to get back there as quickly as possible.
Is Ole really the best available???
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Remember in the OP when you said "We know many already want Ole replaced (myself included) so this question isn't for them"
Why are you now insisting on giving your view on everyone's opinion?
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I was giving it to a none United supporter but hey ho. I shall refrain from questioning the opinions of those that back Ole until we have all we are going to get and then we can discuss the opinions.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
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Not really. Zero trophies at Spurs in his first season.
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At United dipshiiit. Everyone demanded instant success from mourinho at United. Which he brought but it still wasn’t enough
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 21 minutes ago
He gets till May for me unless we fall apart beforehand.
Our squad is somewhere between 3rd and 5th in terms of quality. We are 5pts off top with a game in hand.
The real issue is our fans want Fergie like results from a team that isn't the best anymore. That's the issue.
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As a rival if I may.
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no, you may not.
though i agree with most of that.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by HoughOffEnd-er (U22510)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ole should remain as United manager for another two full seasons, even if he misses top 4. It took years to work under Fergie, you can't just expect instant success.
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But you can expect instant success when it comes to mourinho?
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Not really. Zero trophies at Spurs in his first season.
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At United dipshiiit. Everyone demanded instant success from mourinho at United. Which he brought but it still wasn’t enough
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I couldn't wait to see the back of him during that third season, it's like he's got some built in self destruct mechanism after 2 years.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
It would remove the 'well that'll do' vibe that's around at present.
Stretty was wrong on a lot of things in the past but hindsight showed us that he wasn't wrong in how we've just accepted a drop in standards.
In an ideal world it would be Ole leading us to these high standards.
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I don't really get this part, tbh.
Who exactly is accepting this "drop in standards" that can do anything about it?
Unless every ST holder tears their ticket up every time we have a bad run, what more can be done? Twitter is awash with people screaming for Ole to be sacked... this that and the other player to quit etc. It's not like every defeat is peacefully accepted because it is Ole.
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