comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 37 seconds ago
And yet it clearly offended Ba which is why this has come to this. Just don't label people by the colour of their skin and you don't get this problem. As has been stated, the official should have known all their names and should have used them. Like I said, I doubt the official meant to cause any harm but he did and his actions warrant some kind of action.
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That says more about Ba's mentality than anything else. You can't help who decides to take offence over something.
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 53 seconds ago
And yet it clearly offended Ba which is why this has come to this. Just don't label people by the colour of their skin and you don't get this problem. As has been stated, the official should have known all their names and should have used
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Okay then we should stop using word black, white, yellow.
How should we call black lives matter now?
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Come on now, no one has said that.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 minutes ago
Of course you can use them, but in the correct way. Not when trying to identify someone who's name you should know because it's your job.
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This
So the 4th official isn't racist, just bad at remembering the names of 50-60 people he has never met before?
comment by Shaun M - Raphina de la loca (U9955)
posted 24 minutes ago
So we cant identify people that are;
Tall
Ginger
Short
Fat
Stocky
Ugly
Pretty
Hairy
If there were 6 guys and all 6 had identical clothes on, yet 5 were white and 1 was black, what would you say to identify him? The one with green socks?
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The difference is that none of those things are protected characteristics.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 minutes ago
Of course you can use them, but in the correct way. Not when trying to identify someone who's name you should know because it's your job.
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Unprofessional then. That's fair enough. No more than that.
I don't really have enough information to comment on this specific incident until more comes out.
One of the EDI sessions I did at work was helpful though. In professional environments where there is a person who forms a minority within a majority group (eg a woman in an all male meeting, or the only black person in an otherwise white meeting) it is possible that this person already feels somewhat conscious of being different or an outsider. If someone else (particularly a person in a position of authority) then refers to that person as "the woman" or "the black guy" it night emphasise the 'otherness' of the person and make them feel singled out or not accepted smdue to their protected characteristic.
In such a scenario you wouldn't say "the man" or "the white guy" because you woild need to be more specific. So either you would use their name if you knew it or you woild use a less potentially offensive way of pointing them out.
This obviously doesn't mean the 4th official was racist, but it might be that he said something without thinking that he probably shouldn't have said in his professional environment.
And apparently Webo (guy that was insulted) was saying to those officials "gypsies" and that is the reason why they wanted to book him in first place. So is he maybe then racist?
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
“Here is the coaching staff at istanbul... 1 of them is going to be sent off and the ref asks the 4th official which one should he send off... can anyone tell me how he should identify him as he doesnt know their names, and they arent wearing numbers, other than THE BLACK ONE?” he tweeted.
Barnes added: “Its NOT racist to describe the offender as the black one! We are telling people to call us black.. he doesnt know his name there are 6/7 coaches standing together all turkish .. 1 is to be sent off , the ref says which one THE BLACK ONE what else can he say to let the ref know?
“We have to stop associating EVERYTHING related to black as negative in EVERY context, we TELL people not to call us coloured call us black then complain when they do? If he said black b@tard or something similar thats obvious, but if he just said “the black one” descriptively.
“Theres nothing wrong with it, i said over a year ago why walking off the field isnt the solution, as things like this.. misinterpretation and misunderstandings can happen especially where different languages and meanings are involved, and here we are!”
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A black mans perspective, seems rational to me.
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Agreed
comment by Shaun M - Raphina de la loca (U9955)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
So we cant identify people that are;
Tall
Ginger
Short
Fat
Stocky
Ugly
Pretty
Hairy
If there were 6 guys and all 6 had identical clothes on, yet 5 were white and 1 was black, what would you say to identify him? The one with green socks?
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That's a non sequitur for a start. They'd all be wearing green socks.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 5 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the record, if it isn't racist or discriminatory, why would everyone make a big deal out of it?
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Because they misunderstood what was said, but you dismissed that language had anything to do with it
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They use universal language to inform players, not their own. They are taught not to use certain words from their own language because of the misinterpretation it can cause.
I'm not saying misinterpretation isn't a factor, like I said the 4th official has likely done this by accident, but that's still racist nonetheless, in this context.
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Its not racist ffs. Please check the meaning of the word.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 5 hours, 20 minutes ago
I don’t think it’s necessarily racist but it is inappropriate. You don’t want an official to be judging you based on how you look; it is especially dangerous when it’s a position of power as well. Ba is right in saying you wouldn’t have said the same thing if he was a white guy.
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He' didn't judge him on how he looks. He was asked who was in offense and he said that black guy. That's not judging someone.
I thought black guys wanted to be called black these days. Are we now back to saying coloured?
Which they would make up their minds.
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posted on 9/12/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 37 seconds ago
And yet it clearly offended Ba which is why this has come to this. Just don't label people by the colour of their skin and you don't get this problem. As has been stated, the official should have known all their names and should have used them. Like I said, I doubt the official meant to cause any harm but he did and his actions warrant some kind of action.
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That says more about Ba's mentality than anything else. You can't help who decides to take offence over something.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 53 seconds ago
And yet it clearly offended Ba which is why this has come to this. Just don't label people by the colour of their skin and you don't get this problem. As has been stated, the official should have known all their names and should have used
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Okay then we should stop using word black, white, yellow.
How should we call black lives matter now?
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Come on now, no one has said that.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 minutes ago
Of course you can use them, but in the correct way. Not when trying to identify someone who's name you should know because it's your job.
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This
posted on 9/12/20
So the 4th official isn't racist, just bad at remembering the names of 50-60 people he has never met before?
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Shaun M - Raphina de la loca (U9955)
posted 24 minutes ago
So we cant identify people that are;
Tall
Ginger
Short
Fat
Stocky
Ugly
Pretty
Hairy
If there were 6 guys and all 6 had identical clothes on, yet 5 were white and 1 was black, what would you say to identify him? The one with green socks?
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The difference is that none of those things are protected characteristics.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 minutes ago
Of course you can use them, but in the correct way. Not when trying to identify someone who's name you should know because it's your job.
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This
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Unprofessional then. That's fair enough. No more than that.
posted on 9/12/20
I don't really have enough information to comment on this specific incident until more comes out.
One of the EDI sessions I did at work was helpful though. In professional environments where there is a person who forms a minority within a majority group (eg a woman in an all male meeting, or the only black person in an otherwise white meeting) it is possible that this person already feels somewhat conscious of being different or an outsider. If someone else (particularly a person in a position of authority) then refers to that person as "the woman" or "the black guy" it night emphasise the 'otherness' of the person and make them feel singled out or not accepted smdue to their protected characteristic.
In such a scenario you wouldn't say "the man" or "the white guy" because you woild need to be more specific. So either you would use their name if you knew it or you woild use a less potentially offensive way of pointing them out.
This obviously doesn't mean the 4th official was racist, but it might be that he said something without thinking that he probably shouldn't have said in his professional environment.
posted on 9/12/20
And apparently Webo (guy that was insulted) was saying to those officials "gypsies" and that is the reason why they wanted to book him in first place. So is he maybe then racist?
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
“Here is the coaching staff at istanbul... 1 of them is going to be sent off and the ref asks the 4th official which one should he send off... can anyone tell me how he should identify him as he doesnt know their names, and they arent wearing numbers, other than THE BLACK ONE?” he tweeted.
Barnes added: “Its NOT racist to describe the offender as the black one! We are telling people to call us black.. he doesnt know his name there are 6/7 coaches standing together all turkish .. 1 is to be sent off , the ref says which one THE BLACK ONE what else can he say to let the ref know?
“We have to stop associating EVERYTHING related to black as negative in EVERY context, we TELL people not to call us coloured call us black then complain when they do? If he said black b@tard or something similar thats obvious, but if he just said “the black one” descriptively.
“Theres nothing wrong with it, i said over a year ago why walking off the field isnt the solution, as things like this.. misinterpretation and misunderstandings can happen especially where different languages and meanings are involved, and here we are!”
________________________________
A black mans perspective, seems rational to me.
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Agreed
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Shaun M - Raphina de la loca (U9955)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
So we cant identify people that are;
Tall
Ginger
Short
Fat
Stocky
Ugly
Pretty
Hairy
If there were 6 guys and all 6 had identical clothes on, yet 5 were white and 1 was black, what would you say to identify him? The one with green socks?
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That's a non sequitur for a start. They'd all be wearing green socks.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 5 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the record, if it isn't racist or discriminatory, why would everyone make a big deal out of it?
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Because they misunderstood what was said, but you dismissed that language had anything to do with it
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They use universal language to inform players, not their own. They are taught not to use certain words from their own language because of the misinterpretation it can cause.
I'm not saying misinterpretation isn't a factor, like I said the 4th official has likely done this by accident, but that's still racist nonetheless, in this context.
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Its not racist ffs. Please check the meaning of the word.
posted on 9/12/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 5 hours, 20 minutes ago
I don’t think it’s necessarily racist but it is inappropriate. You don’t want an official to be judging you based on how you look; it is especially dangerous when it’s a position of power as well. Ba is right in saying you wouldn’t have said the same thing if he was a white guy.
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He' didn't judge him on how he looks. He was asked who was in offense and he said that black guy. That's not judging someone.
posted on 10/12/20
I thought black guys wanted to be called black these days. Are we now back to saying coloured?
Which they would make up their minds.
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