Some did say after Wenger it would be worse in all fairness. I would still take this over the last couple of seasons of Wenger however, because under him we were certain for one thing-mediocrity. Now it’s worse, but there’s also an opportunity to turn this around with someone better in charge.
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comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 3 minutes ago
Some did say after Wenger it would be worse in all fairness. I would still take this over the last couple of seasons of Wenger however, because under him we were certain for one thing-mediocrity. Now it’s worse, but there’s also an opportunity to turn this around with someone better in charge.
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Fair enough but If we got relegated would you still choose that over the last few years of Arsene?
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 6 minutes ago
You’re not in a relegation battle ffs. You’re in bad form, with some truly rubbish players in your first 11 and a rookie manager who is way out of his depth trying to turn around a big club that has been in decline for a decade, but you will finish easily mid table. There is some proper garbage at the bottom end of the PL this season.
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Fair points but theres hardly any consolation to take from pointing out theres garbage at the bottom of the PL
Your club will not be relegated...long season ahead yet
There are more than 3 very crap teams behind you
comment by ☼ Great_Red_Shark ☼ (U1711)
posted 1 minute ago
Your club will not be relegated...long season ahead yet
There are more than 3 very crap teams behind you
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I'm choosing not to believe so either, but this is relegation form and every weekend it seems more real than a nightmare
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comment by The Logical One (U20872)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 3 minutes ago
Some did say after Wenger it would be worse in all fairness. I would still take this over the last couple of seasons of Wenger however, because under him we were certain for one thing-mediocrity. Now it’s worse, but there’s also an opportunity to turn this around with someone better in charge.
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Fair enough but If we got relegated would you still choose that over the last few years of Arsene?
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We can’t/won’t get relegated. But to answer your question, Europa league under Wenger is definitely better than championship football.
Won't be relegated, sadly, but the 'Wenger out' tw@ts really had no idea how truly remarkable he was as a coach/manager.
He would have added 10 league places to the current squad. He did it with every squad he had when he was there. There's been no premiership coach/manager as good at making journeyman footballers play like a top team.
It didn’t need to be this bad, it’s all a terrible lack of leadership and direction from the club. Wengers time was up, but it seems he was last one at the club who had much clue of how to organise this club. I don’t get the impression that there’s anyone at this club who knows how to take this club forward. There hasn’t been for a long while, no one pushed to be more competitive in emirates era Wenger, they just hoped he’d sort it out somehow and let us slip away from challenging.
Wenger took us as far as he could, but we were left with a total lack of leadership or plan from anyone else. We needed someone at board ownership level with an idea of where we go after Wenger and realise the mistakes that’s was made. But there is none of that and the club is just limply punching in the dark while simultaneously pissing in the wind
Getting rid of Wenger wasn't a bad decision. He let the rot set in with the state of these players. He clearly wasn't and still isn't the only problem though. The club has been run poorly. Bad recruitment has been a major issue.
Nothing wrong with getting rid of wenger. Problem was it happened 2-3 seasons too late. Could have had Klopp or even Pep but he hung on too long and was allowed to waster huge amounts of money.
3 clowns in particular are weighing us down massively.
Ozil giving him that contract.
Singing Xhaka over Kante lmao
Singing Mustafi over VVD even more laughable
Yes there’s a stinking lack of direction at this club, failure is tolerated too long and is left to go unchecked, then when there is action its panicked and Ill thought out, which is clearly demonstrated with player recruitment
Changing manager won’t change a lot on its own. As we are now you Could easily see us appointing someone solid like allegri this season who takes us to 8th with promising signs, but then year from now we’re back to implosion. Unfortunately the club is more fecked than just having a bad manager
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Won't be relegated, sadly, but the 'Wenger out' tw@ts really had no idea how truly remarkable he was as a coach/manager.
He would have added 10 league places to the current squad. He did it with every squad he had when he was there. There's been no premiership coach/manager as good at making journeyman footballers play like a top team.
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Agree with the first point, but looking in from the outside he does have his share of blame for Arsenal's current situation, would be disingenuous to think he doesn't just because the decline has accelerated rapidly since he left.
As someone who professes to have Arsenal's best interests at heart & I see no reason to disbelieve that, Wenger's single worst judgement call of his entire reign wasn't recognizing he'd built something in the early/mid 10's that a REALLY good progressive manager, like Guardiola or Klopp, could've taken to the next level if he'd gracefully stepped aside or moved upstairs.
The squad was good (back then), the bank was full of money, CL consolidation was secure, either one of them would've taken the Arsenal job at that time. Whether it was arrogance that he believed he was the right man, or he loved the club too much to let go I dunno, but that was his fatal mistake.
*FOR someone who professes to have Arsenal's best interests at heart....
I certainly don't
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by The Logical One (U20872)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 3 minutes ago
Some did say after Wenger it would be worse in all fairness. I would still take this over the last couple of seasons of Wenger however, because under him we were certain for one thing-mediocrity. Now it’s worse, but there’s also an opportunity to turn this around with someone better in charge.
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Fair enough but If we got relegated would you still choose that over the last few years of Arsene?
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We can’t/won’t get relegated. But to answer your question, Europa league under Wenger is definitely better than championship football.
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Fair enough, but its easy to say we can't get relegated, the problem with that is, if you asked most of us if we would be 15th in the table at December, the answer would be a confident no...
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with getting rid of wenger. Problem was it happened 2-3 seasons too late. Could have had Klopp or even Pep but he hung on too long and was allowed to waster huge amounts of money.
3 clowns in particular are weighing us down massively.
Ozil giving him that contract.
Singing Xhaka over Kante lmao
Singing Mustafi over VVD even more laughable
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Exactly. All on Wenger
comment by Kano (U20144)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with getting rid of wenger. Problem was it happened 2-3 seasons too late. Could have had Klopp or even Pep but he hung on too long and was allowed to waster huge amounts of money.
3 clowns in particular are weighing us down massively.
Ozil giving him that contract.
Singing Xhaka over Kante lmao
Singing Mustafi over VVD even more laughable
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Exactly. All on Wenger
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Agree with this but it’s not ALL on Wenger. Yes he has crippled us financially and left us in a complete mess but 15th place at this stage of the season is unacceptable with this current squad. I want Arteta to do well but it just seems like the job is too big for him. His interviews sadly are laughable
Kante and VVD wouldn't be the players they are today or became if they were signed by Arsenal.
The Ozil contract was celebrated by fans here and other places. The player himself would have probably excelled in another team or League.
2013 was a pivotal year for us,
Wenger had done an amazing job in his first 8 years then under the difficult circumstances, continued to keep us in the top 4 with the stadium mortgage restrictions. The lack of trophies was a disappointment, but at times he was performing mini miracles.
However, when the burden eased in 2013, Wenger found himself unable to move on from the philosophies he lived by for those years. Football had moved on, other clubs had caught up, some had passed. Many managers had a new way of thinking. But Wenger couldn't adapt and couldn't change from the frugal manager to one with good money. When he did spend he spent pretty badly. He didn't always spend - the Cech summer - because he had faith in his squad. Unwarranted faith in many cases,
To anyone who thinks Wenger leaving was wrong, you are deluded. This slump was started by Wenger, and many of the clouds remain from his time.
It is possible to love Wenger for 96-04, to appreciate and applaud what he did from 05-13, but to also see he couldn't adapt from 2013 and wasted a good opportunity for Arsenal.
The bigger concern is not the manager, but the structure. Wenger was almost a dictator, controlling everything. It looked as if we had moved on, with the likes of Raul, Mislintat, Jonker and others having control of different areas. Now, in under 3 years, we have two very inexperienced people at the head and Arteta and Edu doing almost everything. Replacing Wenger was a must, but we have failed to do so in a manner that allows for success.
The situation with Wenger was similar to that with Ferguson - he stayed a year or two too long and because of that, things were already going bad when the new manager took over. It doesn't help that we've had progressively worse and less experienced managers since.
Wenger had to go at some point but what we should have done was either have a protégé learning and ready to take over from him, or hire an experienced replacement. I was begging for Benitez after both Wenger and Emery and I stick by that to this day.
I knew things would get worse before they got better - I just had no idea how much worse they could get.
The bigger concern is not the manager, but the structure. Wenger was almost a dictator, controlling everything. It looked as if we had moved on, with the likes of Raul, Mislintat, Jonker and others having control of different areas. Now, in under 3 years, we have two very inexperienced people at the head and Arteta and Edu doing almost everything. Replacing Wenger was a must, but we have failed to do so in a manner that allows for success.
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I agree with this and would add two more points.
We complained a lot about how much power Wenger had and how he controlled everything.
Fast forward 3 years later, we handed the same kind of power to someone who has absolutely no track record. That in itself is feckin scary.
Secondly, both appointment post Wenger were either rushed or botched. We can fix this but as DJ said, we will need to put a structure around it and ask ourselves what kind of manager we really need. Someone who will be able to work with what we have or can afford because we are not City or Chelsea. We can't be repeating the Cedric or Willian fiasco.
Of course 'the illogical moron' still supports wenger he can't help but cause the arrogantly deluded nickname he chose to seem more ironic everytime he posts his trash on this site.
Oxygen thief to the max.
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posted on 13/12/20
Some did say after Wenger it would be worse in all fairness. I would still take this over the last couple of seasons of Wenger however, because under him we were certain for one thing-mediocrity. Now it’s worse, but there’s also an opportunity to turn this around with someone better in charge.
posted on 13/12/20
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posted on 13/12/20
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 3 minutes ago
Some did say after Wenger it would be worse in all fairness. I would still take this over the last couple of seasons of Wenger however, because under him we were certain for one thing-mediocrity. Now it’s worse, but there’s also an opportunity to turn this around with someone better in charge.
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Fair enough but If we got relegated would you still choose that over the last few years of Arsene?
posted on 13/12/20
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 6 minutes ago
You’re not in a relegation battle ffs. You’re in bad form, with some truly rubbish players in your first 11 and a rookie manager who is way out of his depth trying to turn around a big club that has been in decline for a decade, but you will finish easily mid table. There is some proper garbage at the bottom end of the PL this season.
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Fair points but theres hardly any consolation to take from pointing out theres garbage at the bottom of the PL
posted on 13/12/20
Your club will not be relegated...long season ahead yet
There are more than 3 very crap teams behind you
posted on 13/12/20
comment by ☼ Great_Red_Shark ☼ (U1711)
posted 1 minute ago
Your club will not be relegated...long season ahead yet
There are more than 3 very crap teams behind you
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I'm choosing not to believe so either, but this is relegation form and every weekend it seems more real than a nightmare
posted on 13/12/20
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posted on 13/12/20
comment by The Logical One (U20872)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 3 minutes ago
Some did say after Wenger it would be worse in all fairness. I would still take this over the last couple of seasons of Wenger however, because under him we were certain for one thing-mediocrity. Now it’s worse, but there’s also an opportunity to turn this around with someone better in charge.
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Fair enough but If we got relegated would you still choose that over the last few years of Arsene?
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We can’t/won’t get relegated. But to answer your question, Europa league under Wenger is definitely better than championship football.
posted on 13/12/20
Won't be relegated, sadly, but the 'Wenger out' tw@ts really had no idea how truly remarkable he was as a coach/manager.
He would have added 10 league places to the current squad. He did it with every squad he had when he was there. There's been no premiership coach/manager as good at making journeyman footballers play like a top team.
posted on 13/12/20
It didn’t need to be this bad, it’s all a terrible lack of leadership and direction from the club. Wengers time was up, but it seems he was last one at the club who had much clue of how to organise this club. I don’t get the impression that there’s anyone at this club who knows how to take this club forward. There hasn’t been for a long while, no one pushed to be more competitive in emirates era Wenger, they just hoped he’d sort it out somehow and let us slip away from challenging.
Wenger took us as far as he could, but we were left with a total lack of leadership or plan from anyone else. We needed someone at board ownership level with an idea of where we go after Wenger and realise the mistakes that’s was made. But there is none of that and the club is just limply punching in the dark while simultaneously pissing in the wind
posted on 13/12/20
Getting rid of Wenger wasn't a bad decision. He let the rot set in with the state of these players. He clearly wasn't and still isn't the only problem though. The club has been run poorly. Bad recruitment has been a major issue.
posted on 13/12/20
Nothing wrong with getting rid of wenger. Problem was it happened 2-3 seasons too late. Could have had Klopp or even Pep but he hung on too long and was allowed to waster huge amounts of money.
3 clowns in particular are weighing us down massively.
Ozil giving him that contract.
Singing Xhaka over Kante lmao
Singing Mustafi over VVD even more laughable
posted on 14/12/20
Yes there’s a stinking lack of direction at this club, failure is tolerated too long and is left to go unchecked, then when there is action its panicked and Ill thought out, which is clearly demonstrated with player recruitment
Changing manager won’t change a lot on its own. As we are now you Could easily see us appointing someone solid like allegri this season who takes us to 8th with promising signs, but then year from now we’re back to implosion. Unfortunately the club is more fecked than just having a bad manager
posted on 14/12/20
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Won't be relegated, sadly, but the 'Wenger out' tw@ts really had no idea how truly remarkable he was as a coach/manager.
He would have added 10 league places to the current squad. He did it with every squad he had when he was there. There's been no premiership coach/manager as good at making journeyman footballers play like a top team.
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Agree with the first point, but looking in from the outside he does have his share of blame for Arsenal's current situation, would be disingenuous to think he doesn't just because the decline has accelerated rapidly since he left.
As someone who professes to have Arsenal's best interests at heart & I see no reason to disbelieve that, Wenger's single worst judgement call of his entire reign wasn't recognizing he'd built something in the early/mid 10's that a REALLY good progressive manager, like Guardiola or Klopp, could've taken to the next level if he'd gracefully stepped aside or moved upstairs.
The squad was good (back then), the bank was full of money, CL consolidation was secure, either one of them would've taken the Arsenal job at that time. Whether it was arrogance that he believed he was the right man, or he loved the club too much to let go I dunno, but that was his fatal mistake.
posted on 14/12/20
*FOR someone who professes to have Arsenal's best interests at heart....
I certainly don't
posted on 14/12/20
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by The Logical One (U20872)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 3 minutes ago
Some did say after Wenger it would be worse in all fairness. I would still take this over the last couple of seasons of Wenger however, because under him we were certain for one thing-mediocrity. Now it’s worse, but there’s also an opportunity to turn this around with someone better in charge.
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Fair enough but If we got relegated would you still choose that over the last few years of Arsene?
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We can’t/won’t get relegated. But to answer your question, Europa league under Wenger is definitely better than championship football.
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Fair enough, but its easy to say we can't get relegated, the problem with that is, if you asked most of us if we would be 15th in the table at December, the answer would be a confident no...
posted on 14/12/20
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with getting rid of wenger. Problem was it happened 2-3 seasons too late. Could have had Klopp or even Pep but he hung on too long and was allowed to waster huge amounts of money.
3 clowns in particular are weighing us down massively.
Ozil giving him that contract.
Singing Xhaka over Kante lmao
Singing Mustafi over VVD even more laughable
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. All on Wenger
posted on 14/12/20
comment by Kano (U20144)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
Nothing wrong with getting rid of wenger. Problem was it happened 2-3 seasons too late. Could have had Klopp or even Pep but he hung on too long and was allowed to waster huge amounts of money.
3 clowns in particular are weighing us down massively.
Ozil giving him that contract.
Singing Xhaka over Kante lmao
Singing Mustafi over VVD even more laughable
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. All on Wenger
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Agree with this but it’s not ALL on Wenger. Yes he has crippled us financially and left us in a complete mess but 15th place at this stage of the season is unacceptable with this current squad. I want Arteta to do well but it just seems like the job is too big for him. His interviews sadly are laughable
posted on 14/12/20
Kante and VVD wouldn't be the players they are today or became if they were signed by Arsenal.
The Ozil contract was celebrated by fans here and other places. The player himself would have probably excelled in another team or League.
posted on 14/12/20
2013 was a pivotal year for us,
Wenger had done an amazing job in his first 8 years then under the difficult circumstances, continued to keep us in the top 4 with the stadium mortgage restrictions. The lack of trophies was a disappointment, but at times he was performing mini miracles.
However, when the burden eased in 2013, Wenger found himself unable to move on from the philosophies he lived by for those years. Football had moved on, other clubs had caught up, some had passed. Many managers had a new way of thinking. But Wenger couldn't adapt and couldn't change from the frugal manager to one with good money. When he did spend he spent pretty badly. He didn't always spend - the Cech summer - because he had faith in his squad. Unwarranted faith in many cases,
To anyone who thinks Wenger leaving was wrong, you are deluded. This slump was started by Wenger, and many of the clouds remain from his time.
It is possible to love Wenger for 96-04, to appreciate and applaud what he did from 05-13, but to also see he couldn't adapt from 2013 and wasted a good opportunity for Arsenal.
The bigger concern is not the manager, but the structure. Wenger was almost a dictator, controlling everything. It looked as if we had moved on, with the likes of Raul, Mislintat, Jonker and others having control of different areas. Now, in under 3 years, we have two very inexperienced people at the head and Arteta and Edu doing almost everything. Replacing Wenger was a must, but we have failed to do so in a manner that allows for success.
posted on 14/12/20
The situation with Wenger was similar to that with Ferguson - he stayed a year or two too long and because of that, things were already going bad when the new manager took over. It doesn't help that we've had progressively worse and less experienced managers since.
Wenger had to go at some point but what we should have done was either have a protégé learning and ready to take over from him, or hire an experienced replacement. I was begging for Benitez after both Wenger and Emery and I stick by that to this day.
I knew things would get worse before they got better - I just had no idea how much worse they could get.
posted on 14/12/20
The bigger concern is not the manager, but the structure. Wenger was almost a dictator, controlling everything. It looked as if we had moved on, with the likes of Raul, Mislintat, Jonker and others having control of different areas. Now, in under 3 years, we have two very inexperienced people at the head and Arteta and Edu doing almost everything. Replacing Wenger was a must, but we have failed to do so in a manner that allows for success.
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I agree with this and would add two more points.
We complained a lot about how much power Wenger had and how he controlled everything.
Fast forward 3 years later, we handed the same kind of power to someone who has absolutely no track record. That in itself is feckin scary.
Secondly, both appointment post Wenger were either rushed or botched. We can fix this but as DJ said, we will need to put a structure around it and ask ourselves what kind of manager we really need. Someone who will be able to work with what we have or can afford because we are not City or Chelsea. We can't be repeating the Cedric or Willian fiasco.
posted on 28/12/20
Of course 'the illogical moron' still supports wenger he can't help but cause the arrogantly deluded nickname he chose to seem more ironic everytime he posts his trash on this site.
Oxygen thief to the max.
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