comment by Phenom - least knowledgeable spurs poster 2019/20 (U20037)
posted 3 minutes ago
I genuinely don't get it. If you want him to not do the tricks etc just coach it out of him and sit him down to talk it through and encourage him. Why does their always need to be a guy to blame publicly?

Lucas and Lamela when playing give the ball away in similar positions to that Dele does yet neither have been outed.

I dont think Jose is a bad guy, he is just a weirdo and over does the mind games and overthinks the game in the current state. Concentrate on the football and managing the squad and actually football match properly. Stop with the constant digs at players, opposition coaches and talking nonsense just to provoke a media reaction.
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Yes Phenom.

Because of his character and persona i liked Jose for the game, and years ago he was a great manager no doubt but now he hasn't adapted as football has that well.

If we are not winning i hate him as manager and he makes very clear and obvious mistakes for someone so successful in the game.

He's happy for Lucas moura to give the ball away every time he tries to control it though...

Or sissoko to bumble through every game.

This will all backfire on Jose. He's alienating some of our most talented players. We're a Kane or Son injury away from being completely facked.

Jose loves making a scapegoat for the fans to focus their frustrations on, just so it’s not him if/when things go bad

comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 minutes ago
Jose loves making a scapegoat for the fans to focus their frustrations on, just so it’s not him if/when things go bad
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yet most of our fans are more frustrated with Jose than the players

This is just a deja-vue from the Ndombele situation and if it fires up Dele, then success!

Dele looked a lot leaner and ran around more than under Poch

Few of our players do need a kick up their backsides, and most fans here know that, and yet when it is given to them oye oye, Jose said something to X or Y
Love the wums on here, including a village idiot comparing managing a PL team to his local burger place!

He's happy for Lucas moura to give the ball away every time he tries to control it though..
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Giving the ball away in opposition area as opposed in our area, right?

comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 11 minutes ago
Jose loves making a scapegoat for the fans to focus their frustrations on, just so it’s not him if/when things go bad
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Won you few trophies and a 2nd place, and you're still salty AF!

comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
Never have I disliked a Spurs manager as I do Jose Mourinho.
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He has taken so much enjoyment out of supporting Spurs.

comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago


Mourinho has made a successful career out of challenging players to be better. This whole 'despicable Jose' narrative is good fun, granted, but more often than not he's right. He was right about Pogba and Ndombele. He was right about Luke Shaw and Aurier. We're not accustomed to managers calling out players because they're so pampered and pandered to these days it seems outrageous. But, in my opinion at least, he's got a point here. And it's the same point us fans have been making for years.

Dele's flicks and tricks are great when they come off and create a goal. That's ok but do them in the box, not in midfield. He wasn't going to achieve anything even if it came off yesterday. It was a poor decision and poorly executed. Does that deserve public criticism? Probably not. Has he told Dele to cut it out? Almost certainly. Would any player keep their place in any team if they consistently went against what they'd been told? No.
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How was he right about Shaw or Ndombele?

Was he right for what he did with KDB or Lukaku or Casillas?

I’m really not a fan of the public shaming, i don’t think it helps matters, although Jose will just say he’s being honest.

Flipping the coin, if Jose has privately told Dele to cut the flicks out and he doesn’t listen, I completely get why he’s frustrated by it.

Telling Dele to cut out the flicks is telling Dele not be Dele.
Blaming him for the goal is just pathetic.

Agreed, Dele was only partly to blame for the goal.

It’s widely agreed that Dele’s flicks more often than not lose us possession, so I have no problem with him being told to cut that out.

In fact, I don’t mind it as much in the final third, doing it in our own half is not on though.

We like to lose possession not have it most games anywY without Dele playing

I thought Dele had an alright game, and the player mainly at fault for their goal was Sanchez, who put in the limpest of efforts to block the cross.

Mourinho loves a scapegoat, he hates attacking flair players and criticizing Dele last night was just ridiculous.

You won`t hear or see Mourinho criticizing his love child Dier, who gives the ball away several times every match.

Dele has a longer contract than Mourinho, so if he leaves I hope it is only on loan, Mourinho could be down the road if we fail to make the CL this season and Dele could be back playing for a manager that appreciates quality attacking players.

I’ve said this before but any player in Alli’s position, like Eriksen or Ndombele are there to create. Creative players have to try things that don’t always come off. They have to look forward and be brave on the ball, be the spark others aren’t capable of. That means that they’re always going to be players that lose the ball occasionally. If Jose wants to kick the mistakes out then he has to accept a decrease in creativity. What does he want? To hold possession? Stop the opposition from scoring? Well he’s going to have to accept that we’ll score less goals as a result. Nice one Jose, strip away the genius in a player so he plays with fear and only passes sideways or backwards.

I’ve had it with him now. Totally classless. He could have told Alli his issues with him behind closed doors. Public humiliation never works, just ask Phil Brown.

comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 11 minutes ago
Jose loves making a scapegoat for the fans to focus their frustrations on, just so it’s not him if/when things go bad
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Won you few trophies and a 2nd place, and you're still salty AF!
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Salty about what? Just stating what I can see. He did the same with Martial and Shaw.

I actually like Jose, so wind your neck in

I'm really not sure on this issue, and I think that's part of the problem for us Spurs fans. We've never had a Manager quite like this before.

I concur with the majority of points made already - I think Dele is very probably being unfairly singled out when plenty of other players lose the ball in similar situations all the time, and I think it's calculated by Jose.

Having said all that - I can't quite explain it, but a small part of me is intrigued. Jose has the balls to do something like this to one of our best players over the last few years (albeit he has gone off the boil), which shows no one is immune from criticism. I take that as a good thing. I genuinely think Jose is trying to lift the level of everyone at the club, he may not be going about it the nicest way but I've had enough of being a 'nice' team with a nice manager. As a club we made it almost to the top of the mountain - it's that last jump which is the hardest to make, and IMO with Jose it's around 50/50 whether we make that jump or slide back half way down the mountain. With someone like Poch, we would never be far from the top, but probably have less chance of actually reaching it (i.e. winning the league or a trophy).

He's here, so to anyone who isn't a fan, I say get strapped in and expect the unexpected. It could be exactly what we need!

Dele’s flicks won us the tie in Amsterdam. If they don’t come off it’s frustrating but otherwise it’s a really effective way of creating a decent opportunity.

If an attacking player tries to pull something off and they don’t deliver - the ball should be far away enough from your own goal that the defence should cope. If they can’t then it’s a fault with the defence

comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 11 minutes ago
Jose loves making a scapegoat for the fans to focus their frustrations on, just so it’s not him if/when things go bad
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Won you few trophies and a 2nd place, and you're still salty AF!
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He wanted to get rid of Martial and Rashford. Bigged up Fellaini and got him a new contract. That last one should have gotten him the sack.

comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 36 seconds ago
Dele’s flicks won us the tie in Amsterdam. If they don’t come off it’s frustrating but otherwise it’s a really effective way of creating a decent opportunity.

If an attacking player tries to pull something off and they don’t deliver - the ball should be far away enough from your own goal that the defence should cope. If they can’t then it’s a fault with the defence
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That's one way of looking at it.

I think Jose's response would be along the lines of - if the team do what I want them to well, we would have already absorbed Ajax's pressure over the two legs and be 2-0 up from two counter attack goals involving Son and Kane, so we never need tricks like those and the risks that they pose.

(Obviously Jose wasn't in charge then, but you get my point).

comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm really not sure on this issue, and I think that's part of the problem for us Spurs fans. We've never had a Manager quite like this before.

I concur with the majority of points made already - I think Dele is very probably being unfairly singled out when plenty of other players lose the ball in similar situations all the time, and I think it's calculated by Jose.

Having said all that - I can't quite explain it, but a small part of me is intrigued. Jose has the balls to do something like this to one of our best players over the last few years (albeit he has gone off the boil), which shows no one is immune from criticism. I take that as a good thing. I genuinely think Jose is trying to lift the level of everyone at the club, he may not be going about it the nicest way but I've had enough of being a 'nice' team with a nice manager. As a club we made it almost to the top of the mountain - it's that last jump which is the hardest to make, and IMO with Jose it's around 50/50 whether we make that jump or slide back half way down the mountain. With someone like Poch, we would never be far from the top, but probably have less chance of actually reaching it (i.e. winning the league or a trophy).

He's here, so to anyone who isn't a fan, I say get strapped in and expect the unexpected. It could be exactly what we need!
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Probably the most mature comment on here, doesn't say much about the rest of us

comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 36 seconds ago
Dele’s flicks won us the tie in Amsterdam. If they don’t come off it’s frustrating but otherwise it’s a really effective way of creating a decent opportunity.

If an attacking player tries to pull something off and they don’t deliver - the ball should be far away enough from your own goal that the defence should cope. If they can’t then it’s a fault with the defence
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That's one way of looking at it.

I think Jose's response would be along the lines of - if the team do what I want them to well, we would have already absorbed Ajax's pressure over the two legs and be 2-0 up from two counter attack goals involving Son and Kane, so we never need tricks like those and the risks that they pose.

(Obviously Jose wasn't in charge then, but you get my point).
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I don’t really, no. The reference is about as tenuous as it gets.

Kane didn’t play either tie and Son managed burnt-out minutes the second leg. We were heavily depleted in both. That response would be hearsay anyway as he was unable to get results against Leipzig or Leicester or Liverpool.

comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 36 seconds ago
Dele’s flicks won us the tie in Amsterdam. If they don’t come off it’s frustrating but otherwise it’s a really effective way of creating a decent opportunity.

If an attacking player tries to pull something off and they don’t deliver - the ball should be far away enough from your own goal that the defence should cope. If they can’t then it’s a fault with the defence
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That's one way of looking at it.

I think Jose's response would be along the lines of - if the team do what I want them to well, we would have already absorbed Ajax's pressure over the two legs and be 2-0 up from two counter attack goals involving Son and Kane, so we never need tricks like those and the risks that they pose.

(Obviously Jose wasn't in charge then, but you get my point).
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I don’t really, no. The reference is about as tenuous as it gets.

Kane didn’t play either tie and Son managed burnt-out minutes the second leg. We were heavily depleted in both. That response would be hearsay anyway as he was unable to get results against Leipzig or Leicester or Liverpool.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is: if Mourinho had his way, had a team fully bought into the way he wants us to play etc (he's getting there), we would never get ourselves in the position of needing to rely on a last minute Dele flick which works one time in twenty. Which is why he doesn't value it. He doesn't value the unpredictability of a player like Dele as he sees the bad side of that rather than the good, he'd rather know what a player is likely to do than have no idea, even if it may work.

Leipzig he hadn't yet got anywhere near as far in his coaching as he has now (see the two Man City games for instance, both 2-0 wins but the first one was pure luck, the second one was calculated and composed).

Liverpool, we got about as close as you can get - the width of a post and we should be defending a corner much better.

Leicester was poor - this type of game is where we seem to have most of our problems and is something Jose needs to work on (however see the previous Leicester game where we won 3-0. So perhaps we put it down to a bad day at the office?)

There is a time and place for tricks and flicks.

Personally don't think Dele has the natural ability of some of the better flair players. Its a little forced. He should stick to what he is good at.