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Martinelli and Pepe

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posted on 26/12/20

Arteta should give Pepe a video of Martinelli's performance as his homework

posted on 26/12/20

Pepe is done for. So is Willian. Just ship them out in Jan window

posted on 26/12/20

comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pepe is done for. So is Willian. Just ship them out in Jan window
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I have to agree, the difference was just enormous...😐

posted on 26/12/20

Just a shame about the wasted money, it’s not exactly a small amount and not sure who is gonna want to take them...

posted on 26/12/20

comment by V - Fighters not Victims (U7971)
posted 11 seconds ago
Just a shame about the wasted money, it’s not exactly a small amount and not sure who is gonna want to take them...
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Monumental scouting failure. He had one good season at Lille. Not worth more that £25million even in an inflated market.

posted on 26/12/20

tbf we got Gabriel at what would be half the price of his real worth. And if we can get Soumare as well.

posted on 26/12/20

Pepe is just awful. Arguably will go down as one of the most expensive flops in the prem

posted on 26/12/20

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 13 seconds ago
tbf we got Gabriel at what would be half the price of his real worth. And if we can get Soumare as well.
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Is he available for cheap then?

posted on 26/12/20

comment by V - Fighters not Victims (U7971)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 13 seconds ago
tbf we got Gabriel at what would be half the price of his real worth. And if we can get Soumare as well.
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Is he available for cheap then?
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think they owe us. gabriel wasn't enough to rectify the situation.

posted on 26/12/20

Pepe is a waste of money...he will struggle to get into top 6 team in the EPL

posted on 26/12/20

Rather than giving him a video of his performance. He'd do better to just Pepe the same team setup and freedom to play gifted Martinelli and the others today. Our youngsters are talented and can impress but today's performance was far more a reflection of the manager opening up the MF in the attacking 3rd, allowing the players to playing in there and most importantly, no "Hoofs and Aerial chances for Giroud," BS, than it was the brilliance of the youngsters.

Credit where it's due they done really well. But they were massively helped by Arteta taking the reigns off and allowing them all to play to their strengths. Instead of forcing them to play his stupid way. If Arteta had switched to a four and allowed the team to play with freedom in the MF earlier, it never would have gotten this bad. Ceballos and Pepe especially have a case to be fuming that they've not been allowed to play that way all season.

posted on 26/12/20

comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 1 minute ago
Rather than giving him a video of his performance. He'd do better to just Pepe the same team setup and freedom to play gifted Martinelli and the others today. Our youngsters are talented and can impress but today's performance was far more a reflection of the manager opening up the MF in the attacking 3rd, allowing the players to playing in there and most importantly, no "Hoofs and Aerial chances for Giroud," BS, than it was the brilliance of the youngsters.

Credit where it's due they done really well. But they were massively helped by Arteta taking the reigns off and allowing them all to play to their strengths. Instead of forcing them to play his stupid way. If Arteta had switched to a four and allowed the team to play with freedom in the MF earlier, it never would have gotten this bad. Ceballos and Pepe especially have a case to be fuming that they've not been allowed to play that way all season.
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you think Pepe hasn't played that way because he was told by Arteta not to? I don't buy that at all, you can just see in his body language he's so languid and lethargic whereas Martinelli has energy and desire and puts his body on the line... I just hope he can that can be coached into him, and he also the ability to use his right foot!

posted on 26/12/20

comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 2 minutes ago
Rather than giving him a video of his performance. He'd do better to just Pepe the same team setup and freedom to play gifted Martinelli and the others today. Our youngsters are talented and can impress but today's performance was far more a reflection of the manager opening up the MF in the attacking 3rd, allowing the players to playing in there and most importantly, no "Hoofs and Aerial chances for Giroud," BS, than it was the brilliance of the youngsters.

Credit where it's due they done really well. But they were massively helped by Arteta taking the reigns off and allowing them all to play to their strengths. Instead of forcing them to play his stupid way. If Arteta had switched to a four and allowed the team to play with freedom in the MF earlier, it never would have gotten this bad. Ceballos and Pepe especially have a case to be fuming that they've not been allowed to play that way all season.
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We can debate tactics until the cows come home but Pepe’s desire and application this season has been abysmal.

posted on 26/12/20

You can also throw Auba in there. Martinelli has shown more intensity in one game then Auba has done all season

posted on 26/12/20

Saka and Martinelli cutting in allowing the overlap of the fullbacks was a huge tactical move in the game for Arsenal.

Willian doesn't track back. His off the ball movement is shte which gives the opposition time and space to squeeze. Making diagonal runs, third man runs, runs in the channel is how you open teams up. You need more players who do this and less of the ones who want the ball into feet.

posted on 26/12/20

We can debate tactics until the cows come home but Pepe’s desire and application this season has been abysmal.
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You can't just ignore the fact that today we played an MF in an advanced role and opened up the middle. For starters, Chelsea were wrong-footed from the off, could see they'd not prepped for a free-footballing Arsenal at all. Of course Saka and Martinelli done well. They got to play in the MF, with a pivot to play off and freedom to do as they pleased in attacking. It's much easier to do well playing that way. Ceballos or Nelson could have been playing in that advanced MF role all bloody season, if Arteta had been inclined to allow it.

Being forced to play in a crap system that doesn't work whilst you're losing games. Will kill the application and desire of most players. And MOST players have been showing the same lack of desire the last 5-10 PL games before today, not just Pepe. Today's team were effectively set free. Extend the other players the same freedoms he gave Martinelli today and Arteta will likely get the same freeplaying results. The two sets of tactics are just too far apart, to overlooking.

What you're doing is like looking at two supercars, one with it's engine capped at 180 mph, the other allowed to run free to 250 mph as intended by the maker. Then ya moaning at that the 180 capped car doesn't do 250 like the other one does. OF COURSE it doesn't, because it's capped and stopped from being able to

posted on 26/12/20

you think Pepe hasn't played that way because he was told by Arteta not to? I don't buy that at all, you can just see in his body language he's so languid and lethargic whereas Martinelli has energy and desire and puts his body on the line... I just hope he can that can be coached into him, and he also the ability to use his right foot!

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The Martinelli you described was the same sort of Pepe we had early on. He never gave VVD and Robertson a mare, being lethargic and languid. As for whether he played a certain way because he was told to. Take instructions out of the equation and just look at the damned formation.

Please explain to me exactly how a winger is supposed play off an advanced MF, in the attacking 3rd, when all of his MFs are confined by the manager to deep lying MF roles. Martinelli literally had an entire player position extra to play off of (most significant one for a winger too) who was not there in any of Pepe's games. To coin a phrase, Martinelli got to play in a whole different ball game, to play in.

posted on 26/12/20

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 31 minutes ago
You can also throw Auba in there. Martinelli has shown more intensity in one game then Auba has done all season
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Same thing again Castor. Martinelli hasn't just spent 4 months being forced to play in a losing system with a manager refusing to let him play his way. You can't judge anyone else who never played today, against Martinelli's performance today. The youngster got gifted absolute freedom, as part of an attacking, ground passing strategy.

Whilst the others have all had to play hoofball all season. Martinelli walks back into near on Wengerball all around, the perfect gameplan for his (and Pepe's) skillsets. In comparison to the others he got a feckin gift from the football gods. He got a manager who acknowledged the limitations and strengths of his 11. And set up with a gameplan tailored to their strengths. As yet, not done in any other PL game this season. That's why we've lost so many and why so many players were looking utterly sick of it.

posted on 26/12/20

Instead of slating the players, slate the idiot manager who could have turned results around anytime just by being a bit less arrogant and doing what he done with the strategy today SOONER!

We're in the position we are due primarily to the manager's lack of humility. He ain't big enough to be taking the attacking flowing football out of Arsenal FC. The league and football fates biyatch slapped him good for daring to presume he was. Now he's learned the lesson, let's hope it stays learned. Maybe then he might actually achieve something with this club in league terms.

posted on 26/12/20

comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
Instead of slating the players, slate the idiot manager who could have turned results around anytime just by being a bit less arrogant and doing what he done with the strategy today SOONER!

We're in the position we are due primarily to the manager's lack of humility. He ain't big enough to be taking the attacking flowing football out of Arsenal FC. The league and football fates biyatch slapped him good for daring to presume he was. Now he's learned the lesson, let's hope it stays learned. Maybe then he might actually achieve something with this club in league terms.
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Well said bro. Shocking how many people don't realise how much of a clown Arteta is. They're even mocking Auba who's a top player. He become garbage overnight eh?

posted on 27/12/20

Shockingly pointless article stating the obvious, you do realise that we all have eyes too right?

posted on 27/12/20

comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 11 hours, 49 minutes ago
Rather than giving him a video of his performance. He'd do better to just Pepe the same team setup and freedom to play gifted Martinelli and the others today. Our youngsters are talented and can impress but today's performance was far more a reflection of the manager opening up the MF in the attacking 3rd, allowing the players to playing in there and most importantly, no "Hoofs and Aerial chances for Giroud," BS, than it was the brilliance of the youngsters.

Credit where it's due they done really well. But they were massively helped by Arteta taking the reigns off and allowing them all to play to their strengths. Instead of forcing them to play his stupid way. If Arteta had switched to a four and allowed the team to play with freedom in the MF earlier, it never would have gotten this bad. Ceballos and Pepe especially have a case to be fuming that they've not been allowed to play that way all season.
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This is true.

posted on 27/12/20

comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 13 hours, 3 minutes ago
you think Pepe hasn't played that way because he was told by Arteta not to? I don't buy that at all, you can just see in his body language he's so languid and lethargic whereas Martinelli has energy and desire and puts his body on the line... I just hope he can that can be coached into him, and he also the ability to use his right foot!

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The Martinelli you described was the same sort of Pepe we had early on. He never gave VVD and Robertson a mare, being lethargic and languid. As for whether he played a certain way because he was told to. Take instructions out of the equation and just look at the damned formation.

Please explain to me exactly how a winger is supposed play off an advanced MF, in the attacking 3rd, when all of his MFs are confined by the manager to deep lying MF roles.Martinelli literally had an entire player position extra to play off of (most significant one for a winger too) who was not there in any of Pepe's games. To coin a phrase, Martinelli got to play in a whole different ball game, to play in.
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I hope you’re right, I just can’t imagine had we put Pepe into that game from the start, even with that formation, he would have had anywhere near the impact Martinelli did. We have had occasions this season where we’ve played with an attacking midfielder, such as Laca at 10 but that didn’t end well for us either. I don’t think Pepe played those games but that was due to his 3-game suspension!

posted on 27/12/20

From what I’ve seen Pepe has a wand of a left foot but he needs a lot of time and pretty much a stationary ball to use it effectively on a consistent basis - other than free kicks you rarely get that in the Premier League.

If you combine that with his low work rate, lack of predatory instinct in the box, inability in the air and poor defensive capabilities you are not left with much...😐

We all want him to markedly improve and be the signing we originally hoped for - but I’m not seeing it to date.

posted on 27/12/20

I hope you’re right, I just can’t imagine had we put Pepe into that game from the start, even with that formation, he would have had anywhere near the impact Martinelli did. We have had occasions this season where we’ve played with an attacking midfielder, such as Laca at 10 but that didn’t end well for us either. I don’t think Pepe played those games but that was due to his 3-game suspension!

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Yeah just as it looked like Arteta was going to leave him in the starting lineup the eedjit, but he's still youngish enough for a stupid hothead moment just needs to time em better. It's not that he'll have the same impact as Martinelli, few in football do it quite like that. But if you'd put him in that side he'd have been just as at it as Martinelli and Saka were. They'd not have been that effective and probably would have struggled to draw, if they'd had to use the tactics Pepe's been corralled with. All of the attacking players will look an entirely different force, extended the same freedoms. Especially once they get Partey back in MF.

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