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posted on 17/1/21

comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted about 11 hours ago
I think the area where we are obviously weaker, is in attack. and that is what shows the most to me.
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I disagree. I think we are obviously weaker throughout the spine of the team. The fact that people think we can't defend unless we play 5 at the back and 2 defensive midfielder demonstrates that we have serious deficiencies in those areas.

When you play that way, you cut the forwards off, so its no wonder they struggle to create. The last 3 games we have scored 6 goals, so I'm not sure weaknesses in attack can be blamed for our lack of points.

posted on 17/1/21

Our defence was all over the place yesterday. A Portuguese, one from France that qualifies to play for Ivory Coast, one from Liverpool and one from Morocco

Maybe they would have been more solid if they weren’t from such diverse ethnic origins?

posted on 17/1/21

comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted less than a minute ago
Our defence was all over the place yesterday. A Portuguese, one from France that qualifies to play for Ivory Coast, one from Liverpool and one from Morocco

Maybe they would have been more solid if they weren’t from such diverse ethnic origins?
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Saiss is actually from France but qualifies to play from Morocco. So perhaps it's the fact we had two French players that was the problem?

posted on 17/1/21

Our younger players will beyond doubt get better and better, unfortunately the opposite can be said about our older players and this is starting to happen.
A serious look should be taken at the older players as their performances drop off. We have not got any back up to the defence except Kilman who is not a young player, but imo he should be in the side.
One win in nine is not good enough and it is a slippery slope that needs correcting.
Come on Nuno.

posted on 17/1/21

No question we are a lot weaker as an attacking team without Jimenez. But I thought Traore, Silva and Neto played well yesterday. Without Jimenez I think that’s as good as it’s going to get with the players we have

But defensively we have been looking much more vulnerable since we moved to a back four and in the last few days we have conceded 3 against a poor Albion team and two to an Everton team that didn’t have a striker in their line up. Defensively we can improve with the players we have by going back to a 343 formation that better suits every defender at the club

posted on 17/1/21

comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 10 minutes ago
No question we are a lot weaker as an attacking team without Jimenez. But I thought Traore, Silva and Neto played well yesterday. Without Jimenez I think that’s as good as it’s going to get with the players we have

But defensively we have been looking much more vulnerable since we moved to a back four and in the last few days we have conceded 3 against a poor Albion team and two to an Everton team that didn’t have a striker in their line up. Defensively we can improve with the players we have by going back to a 343 formation that better suits every defender at the club
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So you think Nuno is getting it wrong?

Tut tut. Negative.

posted on 17/1/21

comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 28 minutes ago
No question we are a lot weaker as an attacking team without Jimenez. But I thought Traore, Silva and Neto played well yesterday. Without Jimenez I think that’s as good as it’s going to get with the players we have

But defensively we have been looking much more vulnerable since we moved to a back four and in the last few days we have conceded 3 against a poor Albion team and two to an Everton team that didn’t have a striker in their line up. Defensively we can improve with the players we have by going back to a 343 formation that better suits every defender at the club
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I agree with you that 3 at the back is better suited to our current players however, Nuno does not agree with us. This is Nuno today:
“We think that [a back four] is better for us when you consider the players that we have, we feel the formation suits us better, but it’s time to analyse and see the next steps forward."
Nuno knows far more about football than I ever will. He knows his players and he knows what he is trying to get them to achieve. So I think maybe he is right and we are wrong.

posted on 17/1/21

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted less than a minute ago
Our defence was all over the place yesterday. A Portuguese, one from France that qualifies to play for Ivory Coast, one from Liverpool and one from Morocco

Maybe they would have been more solid if they weren’t from such diverse ethnic origins?
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Saiss is actually from France but qualifies to play from Morocco. So perhaps it's the fact we had two French players that was the problem?
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Are there any other Premier League teams with 2 French players in defence? It won’t bode well for them if so, according to some on ‘ere.

comment by JH (U18654)

posted on 17/1/21

Different season, same result

We always beat the wulfs our worst Premier League team ever just rocked up and spanked you on your own turf. Again

They’ve only waited 9 years

posted on 17/1/21

Oh look. How predictable.

A cowardly boggie has emerged from under his rock! 😂😂

#hiding

posted on 17/1/21

Let’s hope he proves he is right if that’s his view gem. Let’s see what set up he chooses in the coming weeks and months

What is undeniable is that we finished 7th in the league twice playing the same set up. Since we have moved to a different formation our form is that of a relegation team. Unquestionably injuries have played a major part in that but there’s only Podence and Marcal to come back in the short term so I don’t see them making a big difference to our defending.

As I’ve said we conceded 3 to a poor Albion team yesterday and 2 to an Everton team who played without a striker in the week. We aren’t going to get improved results unless our defending improves significantly and to me the route to doing that would be to revert to 343

posted on 17/1/21

Nuno knows far more about football than I ever will. He knows his players and he knows what he is trying to get them to achieve. So I think maybe he is right and we are wrong
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getting shut of doherty and bennett and spending £50 mill plus to bring in samedo, ran and marcal has only worsened the defence from where i'm standing. and spending £34 mill on a kid who's played 12 first team games and scored once while not going for oliveira who's an experienced scorer for the sake of £2 mill - the selling club wanted £7 mill, we'd only go to £5 mill doesn't show great judgment, neither does expecting mouhtino to be as effective in his mid 30s as he was in his early 30s.
of course i maybe wrong

posted on 17/1/21

Well DJ for once I agree with you.

posted on 17/1/21

Desperately need to get back to a defensive formation that works for us, can't argue with the substitution of Coady yesterday he was all over the place after conceding the pen. At least if we can stop conceding we've a chance of winning games. I can understand the desire to be more attacking, to take a few more risks but doing it in the midst of an injury crisis with a load of under 20s in the side isn't working. The tale of recent games has been that we've created plenty of chances, had loads of possession, but defensive disorganisation and poor finishing are what's killing us. 68% possession, 23 attempts yesterday and we still concede 3 and lose to a side that's only scored more than once twice all season and one of those they were battered 5-2.

Three at the back Marcal (when fit) back on the left and either someone try and coach some defensive nouse in to Semedo or drop him. His positioning is terrible, he allows too much to come in to the box. Decent footballer but not a premier league defender.

Up front, encouraging signs from Fabio yesterday ironically probably had his best game but we're clearly not going to invest despite the obvious and pressing need so the plethora of powder puff finishing with the odd decent striker now and then is what we're stuck with until Raul returns. This for me is the club's biggest strategical failing. Enough's been said already on this subject but having no experienced cover for your main striker has been a pressing need for several windows now. It's naive to assume there won't be long term injuries and doubly so to expect kids to take up the slack. As i said yesterday, this should be a wake up call for the whole club, all the financial backing and super agents in the world are useless if the squad isn't properly balanced which it clearly isn't in all areas.

posted on 17/1/21

good post oldgold

posted on 17/1/21

Agree with all that oldgold

Thing is with Semedo he has come from one of the biggest clubs in the world but in the Spanish league they were getting 70% or 80% possession in the vast majority of games so he was rarely under pressure defensively. So he was listed as a full back but actually had the freedom to play an attacking role. I suspect we would be more impressed with him if he played a similar role to Doherty. But in a back four for us where he will come under pressure in most games, Hoever may be a better option

posted on 17/1/21

The best thing our young players can do is not play. The less they play, the better our fans think they are. As soon as they come in and show a bit of inconsistency (which all young players do), we want them shipped out again. It no surprise that the one who has played the least (Hoever) is suddenly the best option over a guy who has arguably been our best player in recent weeks.

Our main problem has been through the core of our side. The experienced players in Boly, Coady, Moutinho, Saiss etc have all been far too soft this season defensively; regardless of formation. Yet no one ever wants to address that or talk about it.

posted on 17/1/21

Thing is Tam we're in a position where we're relying on the young players to regularly start premier league games when they should be putting in the odd 15 minute cameo when we're 3-0 up against bottom 6 sides and maybe starting an early round cup match.

It's not the players fault they're in that position it's the club's small squad policy, you're right they will be inconsistent and everyone involved in football should know that. If your first choice back up is 18/19 you're gambling on the fitness of your first choice player which is an irresponsible policy for me.

posted on 17/1/21

The reason we lost to the Albion is because we gave away two needless penalties, simple really. We had more possession and more shots. So the attacking part of our game was fine.

But it's becoming increasingly obvious (to some on here, at least), that we're best suited to a back 3 and I would like to try Boly, Saiss and Kilman in our cup game against Chorley. It's been said that we got to 7th place twice using the same defensive system, so I just don't understand why there was a need to switch. Plus Semedo and Ait-Nouri are better as wing backs and are vulnerable when playing the roles of fullbacks.

Why Nuno persists with a back four baffles me, but as has been pointed out, he knows his players.

posted on 17/1/21

Ideally with the young players you want to be introducing them gradually into a winning team. I don’t think playing them regularly in a team that’s struggling for results is ideal for anyone. One of the worst things about our squad recently is that because of injuries and the size of the squad we have been bringing young players on from the bench and asking them to help save a game. Again, not sure that helps anyone

So whether it’s a season of transition, or for building for the future, the priority still has to be to win games. Losing regularly and conceding first regularly can’t be good for the present or the future

posted on 17/1/21

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
The best thing our young players can do is not play. The less they play, the better our fans think they are. As soon as they come in and show a bit of inconsistency (which all young players do), we want them shipped out again. It no surprise that the one who has played the least (Hoever) is suddenly the best option over a guy who has arguably been our best player in recent weeks.

Our main problem has been through the core of our side. The experienced players in Boly, Coady, Moutinho, Saiss etc have all been far too soft this season defensively; regardless of formation. Yet no one ever wants to address that or talk about it.
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I did.

posted on 17/1/21

Notice Matt Doherty isn’t even on the bench for Spurs today

But it’s interesting to see who is on their bench and compare it to ours in recent games. Hart, Vinicius, Aldeweireld, Sanches, Bale, Fernandes, Moura, Lamela, Sissoko

Reckon that’s the basis of a team that would hold their own in the bottom half of the prem, whereas some of our recent benches would form a good U23s team at best. Shows we are some way off having the depth of squad needed to threaten the top 6 even allowing for the injuries we’ve had

posted on 17/1/21

We were never going to be in the top six with our squad,
well maybe the Championship.

posted on 17/1/21

comment by Oldgoldilox - 1 Carl Ikeme (U17303)
posted 4 hours ago
Desperately need to get back to a defensive formation that works for us, can't argue with the substitution of Coady yesterday he was all over the place after conceding the pen. At least if we can stop conceding we've a chance of winning games. I can understand the desire to be more attacking, to take a few more risks but doing it in the midst of an injury crisis with a load of under 20s in the side isn't working. The tale of recent games has been that we've created plenty of chances, had loads of possession, but defensive disorganisation and poor finishing are what's killing us. 68% possession, 23 attempts yesterday and we still concede 3 and lose to a side that's only scored more than once twice all season and one of those they were battered 5-2.

Three at the back Marcal (when fit) back on the left and either someone try and coach some defensive nouse in to Semedo or drop him. His positioning is terrible, he allows too much to come in to the box. Decent footballer but not a premier league defender.

Up front, encouraging signs from Fabio yesterday ironically probably had his best game but we're clearly not going to invest despite the obvious and pressing need so the plethora of powder puff finishing with the odd decent striker now and then is what we're stuck with until Raul returns. This for me is the club's biggest strategical failing. Enough's been said already on this subject but having no experienced cover for your main striker has been a pressing need for several windows now. It's naive to assume there won't be long term injuries and doubly so to expect kids to take up the slack. As i said yesterday, this should be a wake up call for the whole club, all the financial backing and super agents in the world are useless if the squad isn't properly balanced which it clearly isn't in all areas.
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Great stuff Goldi

posted on 17/1/21

Not much to add really that hasn't been said but I am a little surprised Nuno thinks that a back four is what our players are best suited to despite the fact that I want us to evolve into that system.

If a back four was always part of the plan this season then the transfers in don't show that do they? Semedo and Ait-Nouri for sure look better as out and out wing backs. Marcal was on the left of a three in the CL latter stages wasn't he I think?

I think one issue we have is this loyalty Nuno has to certain players, Coady being one of them, being the captain he appears undroppable but in a back four he should probably be fourth choice at CB.

Also midfield, I don't really understand what Nuno sees there anymore. Otasowie looked pretty good to me but can't get a sniff, MGW comes back, albeit a little different and gets minutes immediately ahead of Otasowie or Vitinha. MGW to me is about as nothing a player as I have seen for us, he does next to nothing. Neves and Moutinho rarely works but Nuno refuses to see that. Personally right now I think we need so real balls in the middle, something Saiss would excel at. Donk is off form a little which isn't helping but still think he should be ahead of Moutinho regardless.

And up front the issues are obvious, Silva isn't good enough right now despite a better game yesterday he still stuffed a very easy chance to test the keeper second half. Also obvious Nuno does not want Cutrone at the club, given how poor generally Silva is Cutrone should at least be getting thirty mins to share the load right now. And Traore just doesn't cut it for me, unless the ball is at his feet he is a passenger.

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