Do you honestly think Darth would sack Jose when:-
He would have to pay him off.
You are not losing any extra revenue due to poor performances.
You have a Cup Final in April.
There isn't a quality replacement available.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
Do you honestly think Darth would sack Jose when:-
He would have to pay him off.
You are not losing any extra revenue due to poor performances.
You have a Cup Final in April.
There isn't a quality replacement available.
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Harry would come back.
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by #Culer (U22564)
posted 4 minutes ago
Does Jose not save his job with a cup final win though? I think he buys himself at least 1 more full season, even if he finished 8th, with a League Cup win..
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I think so too, but at this moment in time, no way in a million years are we beating City
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Why not, you beat them 2-0 in the PL
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
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I think it’s a mixture of all mate, but I also think it’s a massive club problem too. We have barely won a trophy In 20 years mate, so you can’t put the whole blame on Mourinho. I loved Pochettino during his tenure, but at the end of the day results were horrendous and he had to go. I think you are thinking of the wrong person mate. I have always said, give Jose time but never said you ain’t a true fan. I turned the game off because I knew the inevitable. I am sick to death of seeing Spurs throw games away.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
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Sandy
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
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I think it’s a mixture of all mate, but I also think it’s a massive club problem too. We have barely won a trophy In 20 years mate, so you can’t put the whole blame on Mourinho. I loved Pochettino during his tenure, but at the end of the day results were horrendous and he had to go. I think you are thinking of the wrong person mate. I have always said, give Jose time but never said you ain’t a true fan. I turned the game off because I knew the inevitable. I am sick to death of seeing Spurs throw games away.
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Fair enough. Sorry, I must have got the wrong person. There aren't many of Jose's disciples on here but it was defo one of them. Forget who.
Totally understand where you're coming from. It's just horrible at the moment but the truth is that until we have an owner that spends like Chelsea or a City we will never have the kind of success you're craving. I think Poch is looked on favourably because of all the managers we had, he came the closest and not to the small stuff. We're talking the league and the CL here. We're a world away from that now. I also accept that we were on the decline and it was a natural parting of ways but where Levy made the error was believing we could behave like a big spending club, hence bringing in Jose. As we don't spend as much we need to cuter with our management recruitment. We will always need the Poch type than can take a team on a budget and make them greater than the sum of their parts, like Nangelsmann or Rogers. Jose is not only a bit of a dinosaur in style, he's also only ever been successful when he has the best players in the league at his disposal. He wants it ready made and on a plate. No real coaching pedigree and certainly no determination to nurture the youth system. He's just wrong for us on so many levels. I'm surprised Levy thought it was the right call.
It wasn't Sandy, but it was one of his merry men. Forget who. Just another in a long line of Jose supporters now looking a little more embarrassed than they were before.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
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I think it’s a mixture of all mate, but I also think it’s a massive club problem too. We have barely won a trophy In 20 years mate, so you can’t put the whole blame on Mourinho. I loved Pochettino during his tenure, but at the end of the day results were horrendous and he had to go. I think you are thinking of the wrong person mate. I have always said, give Jose time but never said you ain’t a true fan. I turned the game off because I knew the inevitable. I am sick to death of seeing Spurs throw games away.
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Fair enough. Sorry, I must have got the wrong person. There aren't many of Jose's disciples on here but it was defo one of them. Forget who.
Totally understand where you're coming from. It's just horrible at the moment but the truth is that until we have an owner that spends like Chelsea or a City we will never have the kind of success you're craving. I think Poch is looked on favourably because of all the managers we had, he came the closest and not to the small stuff. We're talking the league and the CL here. We're a world away from that now. I also accept that we were on the decline and it was a natural parting of ways but where Levy made the error was believing we could behave like a big spending club, hence bringing in Jose. As we don't spend as much we need to cuter with our management recruitment. We will always need the Poch type than can take a team on a budget and make them greater than the sum of their parts, like Nangelsmann or Rogers. Jose is not only a bit of a dinosaur in style, he's also only ever been successful when he has the best players in the league at his disposal. He wants it ready made and on a plate. No real coaching pedigree and certainly no determination to nurture the youth system. He's just wrong for us on so many levels. I'm surprised Levy thought it was the right call.
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Ace and co will back me up here, I’m no Jose cult follower, but I want to give him the season at least and stand by it. I feel I want to see him try and provide some sort of silverware, but if I feel he’s not pushing the club forward, I’ll happily admit and say I was wrong. Got the balls to admit my judgment was wrong unlike some cowards on this site.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 minute ago
That’s why I turned off mate. The moment Rufio scored on the stroke of half time, it was game over for me. Only reason I got updated was from mates winding me up in txs. I still haven’t gotten over the mess of a CL final I don’t think. This lot are just a bunch of losers.
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our final was the semi final mate.... we didn't show up in the final. 1-0 down after 2 mins... not one single of our big players put in anything over a 6/10 in that game.
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Well that sums Spurs up all over Chronic doesn’t it. Turn up and do it in a semi final, but fail to finish the job when it truly matters. That semi final was a fantastic feeling I will never forget, but at the end of the day, it meant nothing eventually. That CL season reminds me of what could have been. Like Spurs every single sessson mate, what could of been. That chelsea game too when we handed Leicester the title. I’m sure you got a never ending list too.
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That just backs up the Spurs mentality as well. It’s not the fact that you didn’t really show up in the final, that happens to loads of teams and it was Spurs first final, so it’s understandable that they could have a case of stage-fright. The problem is that the club and fans seemed to collectively feel incredibly sorry for themselves after that. What they should have done is use it as a part of the learning curve and used it to move forward. Instead everyone acted as if they’d just blown the one and only chance they’d ever have of winning it, and basically instead of strengthening and pushing to get there again the following season Levy put a spending embargo on Poch, guaranteeing you stood still.
Madness
I dont think there is enough criticism of Jose to be honest.
We have one of the best centre forwards in world football, one of the most form attackers in Son, one of the best midfielders in the league in Ndombele. Our squad is very good.
It is the tactics letting us down and Joses loyalty to constant poor performing players no matter what davies, doherty and Dier most notbaly.
Don, you said you didn't watch the second half. How do you know Son looked like a lost puppy when Kane went off?
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 7 minutes ago
I dont think there is enough criticism of Jose to be honest.
We have one of the best centre forwards in world football, one of the most form attackers in Son, one of the best midfielders in the league in Ndombele. Our squad is very good.
It is the tactics letting us down and Joses loyalty to constant poor performing players no matter what davies, doherty and Dier most notbaly.
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Dier is waaaank,
I said it when you hired him that it would end in tears. Jose id yesterdays manager. A great career and will go down as a legend but those days are gone, long gone.
I guarantee you no top European team would touch him and he will most likely end up managing Portugal next.
Also the Bale experiment has been a disaster for you lads. He is a shadow of the player from years ago although the negativity of the subs made by the manager is crazy.
Is 1 league cup win (Being honest I think city could well clatter you in the final), really worth the inevitable 3rd year meltdown and then the start again from scratch.
Give him until CL is no longer a possibility (Im not saying you wont qualify) and then pull the trigger to give someone else a chance prior to next season. Personally I think hass at Southampton would be a great appointment. Jut my opinion mind.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 minutes ago
I said it when you hired him that it would end in tears. Jose id yesterdays manager. A great career and will go down as a legend but those days are gone, long gone.
I guarantee you no top European team would touch him and he will most likely end up managing Portugal next.
Also the Bale experiment has been a disaster for you lads. He is a shadow of the player from years ago although the negativity of the subs made by the manager is crazy.
Is 1 league cup win (Being honest I think city could well clatter you in the final), really worth the inevitable 3rd year meltdown and then the start again from scratch.
Give him until CL is no longer a possibility (Im not saying you wont qualify) and then pull the trigger to give someone else a chance prior to next season. Personally I think hass at Southampton would be a great appointment. Jut my opinion mind.
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Well said
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 9 minutes ago
Don, you said you didn't watch the second half. How do you know Son looked like a lost puppy when Kane went off?
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Spoke to my mum after the game and she filled me in. Told me he looked lost on the pitch after Kane went off. Honestly I didn’t watch 2nd half, I turned off when Rufio scored at half time. C***!!!
I worded it wrong, should of said I heard Son was like a lost puppy.
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
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I think it’s a mixture of all mate, but I also think it’s a massive club problem too. We have barely won a trophy In 20 years mate, so you can’t put the whole blame on Mourinho. I loved Pochettino during his tenure, but at the end of the day results were horrendous and he had to go. I think you are thinking of the wrong person mate. I have always said, give Jose time but never said you ain’t a true fan. I turned the game off because I knew the inevitable. I am sick to death of seeing Spurs throw games away.
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Fair enough. Sorry, I must have got the wrong person. There aren't many of Jose's disciples on here but it was defo one of them. Forget who.
Totally understand where you're coming from. It's just horrible at the moment but the truth is that until we have an owner that spends like Chelsea or a City we will never have the kind of success you're craving. I think Poch is looked on favourably because of all the managers we had, he came the closest and not to the small stuff. We're talking the league and the CL here. We're a world away from that now. I also accept that we were on the decline and it was a natural parting of ways but where Levy made the error was believing we could behave like a big spending club, hence bringing in Jose. As we don't spend as much we need to cuter with our management recruitment. We will always need the Poch type than can take a team on a budget and make them greater than the sum of their parts, like Nangelsmann or Rogers. Jose is not only a bit of a dinosaur in style, he's also only ever been successful when he has the best players in the league at his disposal. He wants it ready made and on a plate. No real coaching pedigree and certainly no determination to nurture the youth system. He's just wrong for us on so many levels. I'm surprised Levy thought it was the right call.
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Ace and co will back me up here, I’m no Jose cult follower, but I want to give him the season at least and stand by it. I feel I want to see him try and provide some sort of silverware, but if I feel he’s not pushing the club forward, I’ll happily admit and say I was wrong. Got the balls to admit my judgment was wrong unlike some cowards on this site.
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Sounds fair to me. Likewise, I said to Sandy that if we were to have won the league (seems crazy to even think about that now) I would come directly on here and apologise straight away for doubting Jose. I think we all want the best for our club but for me, whilst silverware is great, winning the League Cup, should we beat City, shouldn't really give Jose more time. It's not reflective of a big club. The way to pull money in and develop and get better players is to be punching in the league, the CL or the EL. The others just aren't the barometer they used to be for success.
Only one team has ever won the league by not playing on the front foot and that was the Leicester freak win. History tells us that in modern football, a consistent dominant style is the only way of winning the big pots. That goes for every single major league in the world.
A solitary League to show for all this turgid football when we've yet to be tested draw-wise will be the thinnest paper over the biggest crack of all time.
Some of you guys almost revel in that Spursy tag of being plucky nearly men. Liverpool are a better team than you regardless of form. Most of the time you fall short because you're close but not quite at the level of the top teams, not because of some voodoo curse.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 35 seconds ago
Some of you guys almost revel in that Spursy tag of being plucky nearly men. Liverpool are a better team than you regardless of form. Most of the time you fall short because you're close but not quite at the level of the top teams, not because of some voodoo curse.
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That’s a load of rubbish. Spurs should of won a heck of a lot more from how the club have evolved. It’s on the last 2/3 years where Liverpool have been better than us. The vast majority of the time, we have been much better than Liverpool. Our record is embarrassing against them.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
Some of you guys almost revel in that Spursy tag of being plucky nearly men. Liverpool are a better team than you regardless of form. Most of the time you fall short because you're close but not quite at the level of the top teams, not because of some voodoo curse.
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I think we all accept that. Calling it a curse is to relinquish responsibility. "Not our fault, it's the fate of the club".
I never wanted Jose here and I was content to keep Poch. Was willing to give Jose some time but apart from a couple of positive spells (the end of last season and earlier this season after the Everton game, it's been largely dreadful, and now there are more rubbish results and poor performances than good ones.
Normally I'd say to give him until the end of the season but let's be honest, he's not a long term manager and never will be and the football we're playing doesn't justify more time. A League Cup that we probably won't win doesn't change things. So ideally I want him gone and we look to the future with someone else. As to who: Nagelsmann and Hasenhuttl would be up there.
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posted on 29/1/21
Do you honestly think Darth would sack Jose when:-
He would have to pay him off.
You are not losing any extra revenue due to poor performances.
You have a Cup Final in April.
There isn't a quality replacement available.
posted on 29/1/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
Do you honestly think Darth would sack Jose when:-
He would have to pay him off.
You are not losing any extra revenue due to poor performances.
You have a Cup Final in April.
There isn't a quality replacement available.
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Harry would come back.
posted on 29/1/21
At 73 years old?
posted on 29/1/21
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
posted on 29/1/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by #Culer (U22564)
posted 4 minutes ago
Does Jose not save his job with a cup final win though? I think he buys himself at least 1 more full season, even if he finished 8th, with a League Cup win..
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I think so too, but at this moment in time, no way in a million years are we beating City
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Why not, you beat them 2-0 in the PL
posted on 29/1/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
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I think it’s a mixture of all mate, but I also think it’s a massive club problem too. We have barely won a trophy In 20 years mate, so you can’t put the whole blame on Mourinho. I loved Pochettino during his tenure, but at the end of the day results were horrendous and he had to go. I think you are thinking of the wrong person mate. I have always said, give Jose time but never said you ain’t a true fan. I turned the game off because I knew the inevitable. I am sick to death of seeing Spurs throw games away.
posted on 29/1/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
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Sandy
posted on 29/1/21
Yeh probably Sandy
posted on 29/1/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
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I think it’s a mixture of all mate, but I also think it’s a massive club problem too. We have barely won a trophy In 20 years mate, so you can’t put the whole blame on Mourinho. I loved Pochettino during his tenure, but at the end of the day results were horrendous and he had to go. I think you are thinking of the wrong person mate. I have always said, give Jose time but never said you ain’t a true fan. I turned the game off because I knew the inevitable. I am sick to death of seeing Spurs throw games away.
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Fair enough. Sorry, I must have got the wrong person. There aren't many of Jose's disciples on here but it was defo one of them. Forget who.
Totally understand where you're coming from. It's just horrible at the moment but the truth is that until we have an owner that spends like Chelsea or a City we will never have the kind of success you're craving. I think Poch is looked on favourably because of all the managers we had, he came the closest and not to the small stuff. We're talking the league and the CL here. We're a world away from that now. I also accept that we were on the decline and it was a natural parting of ways but where Levy made the error was believing we could behave like a big spending club, hence bringing in Jose. As we don't spend as much we need to cuter with our management recruitment. We will always need the Poch type than can take a team on a budget and make them greater than the sum of their parts, like Nangelsmann or Rogers. Jose is not only a bit of a dinosaur in style, he's also only ever been successful when he has the best players in the league at his disposal. He wants it ready made and on a plate. No real coaching pedigree and certainly no determination to nurture the youth system. He's just wrong for us on so many levels. I'm surprised Levy thought it was the right call.
posted on 29/1/21
It wasn't Sandy, but it was one of his merry men. Forget who. Just another in a long line of Jose supporters now looking a little more embarrassed than they were before.
posted on 29/1/21
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posted 1 minute ago
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
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I think it’s a mixture of all mate, but I also think it’s a massive club problem too. We have barely won a trophy In 20 years mate, so you can’t put the whole blame on Mourinho. I loved Pochettino during his tenure, but at the end of the day results were horrendous and he had to go. I think you are thinking of the wrong person mate. I have always said, give Jose time but never said you ain’t a true fan. I turned the game off because I knew the inevitable. I am sick to death of seeing Spurs throw games away.
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Fair enough. Sorry, I must have got the wrong person. There aren't many of Jose's disciples on here but it was defo one of them. Forget who.
Totally understand where you're coming from. It's just horrible at the moment but the truth is that until we have an owner that spends like Chelsea or a City we will never have the kind of success you're craving. I think Poch is looked on favourably because of all the managers we had, he came the closest and not to the small stuff. We're talking the league and the CL here. We're a world away from that now. I also accept that we were on the decline and it was a natural parting of ways but where Levy made the error was believing we could behave like a big spending club, hence bringing in Jose. As we don't spend as much we need to cuter with our management recruitment. We will always need the Poch type than can take a team on a budget and make them greater than the sum of their parts, like Nangelsmann or Rogers. Jose is not only a bit of a dinosaur in style, he's also only ever been successful when he has the best players in the league at his disposal. He wants it ready made and on a plate. No real coaching pedigree and certainly no determination to nurture the youth system. He's just wrong for us on so many levels. I'm surprised Levy thought it was the right call.
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Ace and co will back me up here, I’m no Jose cult follower, but I want to give him the season at least and stand by it. I feel I want to see him try and provide some sort of silverware, but if I feel he’s not pushing the club forward, I’ll happily admit and say I was wrong. Got the balls to admit my judgment was wrong unlike some cowards on this site.
posted on 29/1/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 minute ago
That’s why I turned off mate. The moment Rufio scored on the stroke of half time, it was game over for me. Only reason I got updated was from mates winding me up in txs. I still haven’t gotten over the mess of a CL final I don’t think. This lot are just a bunch of losers.
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our final was the semi final mate.... we didn't show up in the final. 1-0 down after 2 mins... not one single of our big players put in anything over a 6/10 in that game.
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Well that sums Spurs up all over Chronic doesn’t it. Turn up and do it in a semi final, but fail to finish the job when it truly matters. That semi final was a fantastic feeling I will never forget, but at the end of the day, it meant nothing eventually. That CL season reminds me of what could have been. Like Spurs every single sessson mate, what could of been. That chelsea game too when we handed Leicester the title. I’m sure you got a never ending list too.
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That just backs up the Spurs mentality as well. It’s not the fact that you didn’t really show up in the final, that happens to loads of teams and it was Spurs first final, so it’s understandable that they could have a case of stage-fright. The problem is that the club and fans seemed to collectively feel incredibly sorry for themselves after that. What they should have done is use it as a part of the learning curve and used it to move forward. Instead everyone acted as if they’d just blown the one and only chance they’d ever have of winning it, and basically instead of strengthening and pushing to get there again the following season Levy put a spending embargo on Poch, guaranteeing you stood still.
Madness
posted on 29/1/21
I dont think there is enough criticism of Jose to be honest.
We have one of the best centre forwards in world football, one of the most form attackers in Son, one of the best midfielders in the league in Ndombele. Our squad is very good.
It is the tactics letting us down and Joses loyalty to constant poor performing players no matter what davies, doherty and Dier most notbaly.
posted on 29/1/21
Don, you said you didn't watch the second half. How do you know Son looked like a lost puppy when Kane went off?
posted on 29/1/21
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 7 minutes ago
I dont think there is enough criticism of Jose to be honest.
We have one of the best centre forwards in world football, one of the most form attackers in Son, one of the best midfielders in the league in Ndombele. Our squad is very good.
It is the tactics letting us down and Joses loyalty to constant poor performing players no matter what davies, doherty and Dier most notbaly.
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Dier is waaaank,
posted on 29/1/21
I said it when you hired him that it would end in tears. Jose id yesterdays manager. A great career and will go down as a legend but those days are gone, long gone.
I guarantee you no top European team would touch him and he will most likely end up managing Portugal next.
Also the Bale experiment has been a disaster for you lads. He is a shadow of the player from years ago although the negativity of the subs made by the manager is crazy.
Is 1 league cup win (Being honest I think city could well clatter you in the final), really worth the inevitable 3rd year meltdown and then the start again from scratch.
Give him until CL is no longer a possibility (Im not saying you wont qualify) and then pull the trigger to give someone else a chance prior to next season. Personally I think hass at Southampton would be a great appointment. Jut my opinion mind.
posted on 29/1/21
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 minutes ago
I said it when you hired him that it would end in tears. Jose id yesterdays manager. A great career and will go down as a legend but those days are gone, long gone.
I guarantee you no top European team would touch him and he will most likely end up managing Portugal next.
Also the Bale experiment has been a disaster for you lads. He is a shadow of the player from years ago although the negativity of the subs made by the manager is crazy.
Is 1 league cup win (Being honest I think city could well clatter you in the final), really worth the inevitable 3rd year meltdown and then the start again from scratch.
Give him until CL is no longer a possibility (Im not saying you wont qualify) and then pull the trigger to give someone else a chance prior to next season. Personally I think hass at Southampton would be a great appointment. Jut my opinion mind.
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Well said
posted on 29/1/21
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 9 minutes ago
Don, you said you didn't watch the second half. How do you know Son looked like a lost puppy when Kane went off?
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Spoke to my mum after the game and she filled me in. Told me he looked lost on the pitch after Kane went off. Honestly I didn’t watch 2nd half, I turned off when Rufio scored at half time. C***!!!
posted on 29/1/21
I worded it wrong, should of said I heard Son was like a lost puppy.
posted on 29/1/21
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posted on 29/1/21
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
Don
Quick question - do you think it's a club problem rather than a manager problem? I can't remember what your opinion was on Poch so it's hard to make a judgement here. You seem to suggest it's the fault of the club and the players with barely any criticism heading Jose's way. I find that strange as he's the one that's turned us into playing the most insipid football and we're not getting a high points average than before. Over the last 5 seasons we're actually below par on points accrued at this stage of the season. So we're not as effective and we play terrible football.
It's not a club problem or a player problem. It's the manager. Whoever it was that said Rogers or Nangelsmann, I totally agree. I'm just waiting for this nightmare to end now.
Finally, and correct me if I'm wrong here, was it you that accused fans like me of not being true fans as we don't back the manager we currently have it place? It might not have been you so apologies if that is the case but you've just openly admitted that you switched off at half time. If it was you then I can freely throw the accusation back at you for ditching your team when things aren't going right.
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I think it’s a mixture of all mate, but I also think it’s a massive club problem too. We have barely won a trophy In 20 years mate, so you can’t put the whole blame on Mourinho. I loved Pochettino during his tenure, but at the end of the day results were horrendous and he had to go. I think you are thinking of the wrong person mate. I have always said, give Jose time but never said you ain’t a true fan. I turned the game off because I knew the inevitable. I am sick to death of seeing Spurs throw games away.
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Fair enough. Sorry, I must have got the wrong person. There aren't many of Jose's disciples on here but it was defo one of them. Forget who.
Totally understand where you're coming from. It's just horrible at the moment but the truth is that until we have an owner that spends like Chelsea or a City we will never have the kind of success you're craving. I think Poch is looked on favourably because of all the managers we had, he came the closest and not to the small stuff. We're talking the league and the CL here. We're a world away from that now. I also accept that we were on the decline and it was a natural parting of ways but where Levy made the error was believing we could behave like a big spending club, hence bringing in Jose. As we don't spend as much we need to cuter with our management recruitment. We will always need the Poch type than can take a team on a budget and make them greater than the sum of their parts, like Nangelsmann or Rogers. Jose is not only a bit of a dinosaur in style, he's also only ever been successful when he has the best players in the league at his disposal. He wants it ready made and on a plate. No real coaching pedigree and certainly no determination to nurture the youth system. He's just wrong for us on so many levels. I'm surprised Levy thought it was the right call.
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Ace and co will back me up here, I’m no Jose cult follower, but I want to give him the season at least and stand by it. I feel I want to see him try and provide some sort of silverware, but if I feel he’s not pushing the club forward, I’ll happily admit and say I was wrong. Got the balls to admit my judgment was wrong unlike some cowards on this site.
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Sounds fair to me. Likewise, I said to Sandy that if we were to have won the league (seems crazy to even think about that now) I would come directly on here and apologise straight away for doubting Jose. I think we all want the best for our club but for me, whilst silverware is great, winning the League Cup, should we beat City, shouldn't really give Jose more time. It's not reflective of a big club. The way to pull money in and develop and get better players is to be punching in the league, the CL or the EL. The others just aren't the barometer they used to be for success.
Only one team has ever won the league by not playing on the front foot and that was the Leicester freak win. History tells us that in modern football, a consistent dominant style is the only way of winning the big pots. That goes for every single major league in the world.
A solitary League to show for all this turgid football when we've yet to be tested draw-wise will be the thinnest paper over the biggest crack of all time.
posted on 29/1/21
Some of you guys almost revel in that Spursy tag of being plucky nearly men. Liverpool are a better team than you regardless of form. Most of the time you fall short because you're close but not quite at the level of the top teams, not because of some voodoo curse.
posted on 29/1/21
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 35 seconds ago
Some of you guys almost revel in that Spursy tag of being plucky nearly men. Liverpool are a better team than you regardless of form. Most of the time you fall short because you're close but not quite at the level of the top teams, not because of some voodoo curse.
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That’s a load of rubbish. Spurs should of won a heck of a lot more from how the club have evolved. It’s on the last 2/3 years where Liverpool have been better than us. The vast majority of the time, we have been much better than Liverpool. Our record is embarrassing against them.
posted on 29/1/21
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 minute ago
Some of you guys almost revel in that Spursy tag of being plucky nearly men. Liverpool are a better team than you regardless of form. Most of the time you fall short because you're close but not quite at the level of the top teams, not because of some voodoo curse.
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I think we all accept that. Calling it a curse is to relinquish responsibility. "Not our fault, it's the fate of the club".
posted on 29/1/21
I never wanted Jose here and I was content to keep Poch. Was willing to give Jose some time but apart from a couple of positive spells (the end of last season and earlier this season after the Everton game, it's been largely dreadful, and now there are more rubbish results and poor performances than good ones.
Normally I'd say to give him until the end of the season but let's be honest, he's not a long term manager and never will be and the football we're playing doesn't justify more time. A League Cup that we probably won't win doesn't change things. So ideally I want him gone and we look to the future with someone else. As to who: Nagelsmann and Hasenhuttl would be up there.
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