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posted on 10/2/21

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 11 minutes ago
Also, you're conveniently ignoring what I said about every old lady with a sniffle being sent to hospital, thus overwhelming hospitals.
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Because its bull schizit

posted on 10/2/21

"OK, fine, that's true - but then you have no evidence that they cause more good than harm do you?"

Eh.. must just be a coincidence that both waves of the virus have reduced dramatically after Lockdowns were introduced.

We all know how you conspiracy fuds love a coincidence.. just not when it doesn't suit your argument I guess 🤷‍♂️

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 19 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Mi Pelea (U18355)
posted 19 minutes ago
https://nypost.com/2020/11/18/croatian-man-who-died-after-falling-from-ladder-was-killed-by-covid-19/


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We live in Croatia?
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What?? He literally backs up his comment with a true story, but now it doesnt count because it wasnt in the UK.
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1) We were discussing the UK and how we record Covid deaths.

2) Covid WAS a contributing and possible major cause of that guys death.. if you'd bothered to read the article (assuming you can read) you would have seen that for yourself.

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 14 minutes ago
Also, you're conveniently ignoring what I said about every old lady with a sniffle being sent to hospital, thus overwhelming hospitals.
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You've evidence of this?

posted on 10/2/21

This latest wave, the 3rd one, happened coincide when lockdown measures were eased coming up to Christmas.

posted on 10/2/21

Jukebox: I said you have no evidence of lockdown doing more good than harm, and you respond by pointing out that lockdowns reduced the death/cases rate? That doesn't answer my assertion. You can't prove lockdowns do more good than harm.

Again, there's no conspiracy as I see it - just inept governments worried about the optics and doubling down on their original mistakes. Funnily enough there's plenty of places in the world where questioning lockdown isn't a controversial thing to do. Even close to home. Take Cambridge Uni for example - their debating society is widely respected, but voted that lockdowns do more harm than good recently. But I guess they're all 'conspiracy fuds' too?

Roy: the latest wave also coincided with winter remember, so that undoubtedly has a big effect.

I'm not even saying lockdowns don't achieve anything at all, but that they're not a good solution, especially when balanced against the negative effects. The fact that we're in our 3rd lockdown in a year indicates that they're not that effective.

posted on 10/2/21

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 6 minutes ago
"OK, fine, that's true - but then you have no evidence that they cause more good than harm do you?"

Eh.. must just be a coincidence that both waves of the virus have reduced dramatically after Lockdowns were introduced.

We all know how you conspiracy fuds love a coincidence.. just not when it doesn't suit your argument I guess 🤷‍♂️
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The evidence is overwhelming, not that he's going to bother acknowledging it, suspect he's more interested in trolling.

Taking the first lockdown 23 March 2020 as an example, we know was effective because peak deaths came exactly as the models predicted in early April, then followed by a drop as expected.

This pattern was seen absolutely everywhere following lockdowns ... including regions that had done it before us, as an example France locking down on 17th March.

posted on 10/2/21

Lockdown skeptics are called selfish and inhuman by people advocating for continued lockdown, negatively effecting people's mental health, financial situations, houses, jobs, education etc.

Poor people are disproportionately affected negatively by lockdowns as well but you're all ignoring that of course. No doubt working from home or sitting pretty on furlough money while a lot of people are forced to work in factories and supermarkets.

That's truly selfish.

posted on 10/2/21

WUM: Calling me a troll to try to devalue my points - classic pro-Lockdown tactic. When challenged, attempt to discredit.

Peak deaths falling after March also happened to coincide with spring/summer so that's not too surprising either.

posted on 10/2/21

Roy: the latest wave also coincided with winter remember, so that undoubtedly has a big effect.

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Correct

Airborne viruses are more prevalent during the winter
Throw in a new more transmissable covid variant with increased christmss travel and social interaction and we are dealing with the resultant increased infections and hospital admissions and DEATHS.

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 42 minutes ago

Let's say, for argument's sake, that the death rate was 10 times worse without lockdown, that'd still only be 1.7% of the population, and most of them would be close to death anyway as you know.
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So over 1 million deaths in the UK is your optimal solution?

Do you not think this may have a devastating affect on the country and its people?
Shall we ignore the negative impacts of such a catastrophe on the 65 million people e.g. their mental health, financial situations, houses, jobs, education etc.

Glad you're not in charge.

posted on 10/2/21

Let's say, for argument's sake, that the death rate was 10 times worse without lockdown, that'd still only be 1.7% of the population, and most of them would be close to death anyway as you know.
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Good grief

posted on 10/2/21

Roy:

Viruses usually mutate into more transmissible but weaker strains. Of a virus that for the vast vast majority gives them a bit of a cold. It's winter, people will get ill and some will die. Death is inevitable, the fact we're trying to eliminate it from the public consciousness is laughable.

We'll be on lockdown/wave 376 and you'll be going 'we've seen how lockdowns control the virus so we need to stay locked down' while the one remaining corporation that now owns everything feeds you through a tube. And you'll be happy with that I bet.

comment by Ruiney (U1005)

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
WUM: I'm saying the NHS has been 'overwhelmed' (according to the media) because we are sending every old lady with a sniffle to hospital - where they then catch covid if they don't have it already.

But if we just let covid run it's course and didn't lockdown, they would quietly pass away in care homes like they do normally.
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Unbelievable comment. You actually think people are being sent to hospital because they have ‘a sniffle’?

Where do you get this nonsense from??

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 16 minutes ago

The fact that we're in our 3rd lockdown in a year indicates that they're not that effective.
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The fact that you keep repeating this despite the evidence to the contrary makes you come across denser than you may actually be.

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 3 seconds ago
Roy:

Viruses usually mutate into more transmissible but weaker strains. Of a virus that for the vast vast majority gives them a bit of a cold. It's winter, people will get ill and some will die. Death is inevitable, the fact we're trying to eliminate it from the public consciousness is laughable.

We'll be on lockdown/wave 376 and you'll be going 'we've seen how lockdowns control the virus so we need to stay locked down' while the one remaining corporation that now owns everything feeds you through a tube. And you'll be happy with that I bet.
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What a load of bollx

posted on 10/2/21

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 second ago
Let's say, for argument's sake, that the death rate was 10 times worse without lockdown, that'd still only be 1.7% of the population, and most of them would be close to death anyway as you know.
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Good grief
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It's a fact, bloodred, most of the people that die from covid are very elderly and a lot have serious illnesses i.e. close to death. Sounds horrible to say it but it's true. Don't be soft

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
WUM: I'm saying the NHS has been 'overwhelmed' (according to the media) because we are sending every old lady with a sniffle to hospital - where they then catch covid if they don't have it already.

But if we just let covid run it's course and didn't lockdown, they would quietly pass away in care homes like they do normally.
...

Unbelievable comment. You actually think people are being sent to hospital because they have ‘a sniffle’?

Where do you get this nonsense from??
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They're sending people from care homes, when they develop cold symptoms, to hospitals because they suspect it's covid. Rather than treating them in homes like they normally would. Plenty of doctors have admitted as much on social media but of course no one wants to hear it.

comment by Ruiney (U1005)

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
WUM: I'm saying the NHS has been 'overwhelmed' (according to the media) because we are sending every old lady with a sniffle to hospital - where they then catch covid if they don't have it already.

But if we just let covid run it's course and didn't lockdown, they would quietly pass away in care homes like they do normally.
...

Unbelievable comment. You actually think people are being sent to hospital because they have ‘a sniffle’?

Where do you get this nonsense from??
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They're sending people from care homes, when they develop cold symptoms, to hospitals because they suspect it's covid. Rather than treating them in homes like they normally would. Plenty of doctors have admitted as much on social media but of course no one wants to hear it.
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Please show us proof of people being treated in hospitals for sniffles. Thank you.

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 10 minutes ago
WUM: Calling me a troll to try to devalue my points - classic pro-Lockdown tactic. When challenged, attempt to discredit.

Peak deaths falling after March also happened to coincide with spring/summer so that's not too surprising either.

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What has Spring/Summer got to do with it?

I really don't think you understood the point being made that peak deaths occur within a predicable window, days after every lockdown is implemented, followed by a predictable drop in cases, and deaths.

This has nothing to do with seasons.

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
WUM: I'm saying the NHS has been 'overwhelmed' (according to the media) because we are sending every old lady with a sniffle to hospital - where they then catch covid if they don't have it already.

But if we just let covid run it's course and didn't lockdown, they would quietly pass away in care homes like they do normally.
...

Unbelievable comment. You actually think people are being sent to hospital because they have ‘a sniffle’?

Where do you get this nonsense from??
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They're sending people from care homes, when they develop cold symptoms, to hospitals because they suspect it's covid. Rather than treating them in homes like they normally would. Plenty of doctors have admitted as much on social media but of course no one wants to hear it.
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Please show us proof of people being treated in hospitals for sniffles. Thank you.
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I'm saying that someone with the sniffles will be treated as suspected covid in the home, and sent to hospital. Not that they get to hospital and are given some Kleenex. Many have then caught actual covid in hospital

posted on 10/2/21

Anyway, we'll check back in in a year or two's time and see which of you is denying ever backing lockdowns because of the horrific effects being reported on.

comment by Ruiney (U1005)

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
WUM: I'm saying the NHS has been 'overwhelmed' (according to the media) because we are sending every old lady with a sniffle to hospital - where they then catch covid if they don't have it already.

But if we just let covid run it's course and didn't lockdown, they would quietly pass away in care homes like they do normally.
...

Unbelievable comment. You actually think people are being sent to hospital because they have ‘a sniffle’?

Where do you get this nonsense from??
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They're sending people from care homes, when they develop cold symptoms, to hospitals because they suspect it's covid. Rather than treating them in homes like they normally would. Plenty of doctors have admitted as much on social media but of course no one wants to hear it.
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Please show us proof of people being treated in hospitals for sniffles. Thank you.
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I'm saying that someone with the sniffles will be treated as suspected covid in the home, and sent to hospital. Not that they get to hospital and are given some Kleenex. Many have then caught actual covid in hospital
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Do you even remember the care home scandal? The literal opposite of what you are claiming, happened.

Back up your nonsense.

posted on 10/2/21

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 34 seconds ago
Anyway, we'll check back in in a year or two's time and see which of you is denying ever backing lockdowns because of the horrific effects being reported on.
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I will never deny that I backed efforts that tried to protect people

posted on 10/2/21

I do remember the care home scandal. And since then they've been sending people in care homes to hospital for every little cold-like symptom, just in case. There's loads of doctors on social media saying this.

One I read said that the protocol used to be: elderly person gets the flu, they're treated in the home and expected to pass away in the night. They call the flu 'the old man's friend' because it allows them to pass relatively peacefully. But now the protocol is send them to hospital to be treated. Thus overwhelming hospitals.

We should go back to the original protocol IMO and ease lockdown as the NHS would be able to cope.

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