I was 100% against Rooney becoming manager. I thought he would be a disaster. I don’t think it is too early to say that he will be a good manager- he has adapted himself to the current mess we are in extremely well, remaining focused and showing pragmatism of selection, tactics and recruitment while still encouraging youth development. He seems to have a nice ruthless streak aswell.
I still think Lampard could have done something special. I liked the guy but it was at 2.01pm on that fateful afternoon, in McDonalds on Wembley Way when it was announced that Jack Marriot was not starting. Genuinely think that had that news been different, well.......
Cocu? Really welcomed the appointment and liked the ideas and phililosophy but I think non-footballing stuff took its toll. In the end, just failed to inspire.
Rooney, loved it when he came, but it didn't really turn the tanker. As manager, he seems to have the nous and that detachment that a boss should have (none of this being bezzies with the players). Mmmm.....could be a long term thing - slow build etc but I also think that Rosenior deserves credit for having the maturity to step slightly aside and let Rooney be the main man.
comment by ViewFromCroxteth (U1581)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I still think Lampard could have done something special. I liked the guy but it was at 2.01pm on that fateful afternoon, in McDonalds on Wembley Way when it was announced that Jack Marriot was not starting. Genuinely think that had that news been different, well.......
Cocu? Really welcomed the appointment and liked the ideas and phililosophy but I think non-footballing stuff took its toll. In the end, just failed to inspire.
Rooney, loved it when he came, but it didn't really turn the tanker. As manager, he seems to have the nous and that detachment that a boss should have (none of this being bezzies with the players). Mmmm.....could be a long term thing - slow build etc but I also think that Rosenior deserves credit for having the maturity to step slightly aside and let Rooney be the main man.
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View... totally agree re Lampard/Marriott and play off final. That was a schoolboy error. As was his going to Chelsea.
What I like about Rooney as manager is that he is delegating roles to the team around him and giving them credit for it.
Cocu was a wet blanket... probably a very nice man but no obvious charisma.
At the time I thought the same about the Wembley selection but I read subsequently that Marriott was not thought to be fit enough to last ninety minutes. Lampard thought our best chance was to stay in the game and then try to nick it with Marriott and others off the bench, maybe in a 120 minute game. Bennett's role was therefore to run around as best he could, doing Marriott's hard yards for him so that the latter might be able to exploit tired Villa legs late on.
OK, in the end we fell short but I do now see the logic. But for Roos' mistake for the second goal we could have been looking back on it as a stroke of genius. All a manager can do is to set up his team to give his team the best chance of winning and then he is at the mercy of how the players perform on the day. I think we would have been likely to lose no matter what the Wembley selection was but we aren't going to know now.
Always felt you should of gone for that really good manager that was available can’t remember his name but use to manage wolves and then Ireland and recently Ipswich, always use to do amazing on no budget
Mick McCarthy that was it
Brilliant manager always felt like he deserved a top job
comment by Peeder (U1684)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by ViewFromCroxteth (U1581)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I still think Lampard could have done something special. I liked the guy but it was at 2.01pm on that fateful afternoon, in McDonalds on Wembley Way when it was announced that Jack Marriot was not starting. Genuinely think that had that news been different, well.......
Cocu? Really welcomed the appointment and liked the ideas and phililosophy but I think non-footballing stuff took its toll. In the end, just failed to inspire.
Rooney, loved it when he came, but it didn't really turn the tanker. As manager, he seems to have the nous and that detachment that a boss should have (none of this being bezzies with the players). Mmmm.....could be a long term thing - slow build etc but I also think that Rosenior deserves credit for having the maturity to step slightly aside and let Rooney be the main man.
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View... totally agree re Lampard/Marriott and play off final. That was a schoolboy error. As was his going to Chelsea.
What I like about Rooney as manager is that he is delegating roles to the team around him and giving them credit for it.
Cocu was a wet blanket... probably a very nice man but no obvious charisma.
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Don't think Marriott would have made much difference had he started. Having to play Cole was the main problem, McGinn was given the freedom of Wembley.
Schoolboy error of going to Chelsea. If only I could have made such lucrative schoolboy errors.
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Always felt you should of gone for that really good manager that was available can’t remember his name but use to manage wolves and then Ireland and recently Ipswich, always use to do amazing on no budget
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Should have not should of, we speak English on our board.
I didn't mind Lampard taking his dream job & I still don't, I would have done & have done in the same situation. Some of us really need to take off our Derby County hat off.
He could have redeemed his "Wembley school boy error" by starting the second half with Marriott if he wasn't fit enough for the full 90.
Cocu, I like some had high hopes for him but it seems to me that not enough of the squad bought into the ideals & system.
Rooney, well I like many was dead set against him becoming manager, but he has changed my opinion, he's done well to galvanise the squad & make Derby harder to beat.
comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Always felt you should of gone for that really good manager that was available can’t remember his name but use to manage wolves and then Ireland and recently Ipswich, always use to do amazing on no budget
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Should have not should of, we speak English on our board.
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Ooo grammar patrol, guessing you also speak about wearing dresses ya mug
He's got you there Spart.
Great post Terry.
Lampard - interesting appointment, certainly one that would rejuvenate the squad in terms of having an ex-England international as manager and a relatively young one who could relate to most players. Spoke well, came across intelligent in interviews.
Who was he most influenced by as managers? Looking as his team selection time after time I'd have to say Claudio Ranieri as he certainly loved to tinker that side and his team selection vs Villa (away game?) was absolutely shocking and we got served.
I think he bought a gem in Marriott ( just turned out Marriott was not quite right mentally in terms of his professionalism) and I really, really liked Holmes (before Huddersfield-gate came out and what he did). Lampard can also be given given credit for getting 10-15% more out of Mason Bennett because that boy started to look good and I thought if he continued his style of 'arm around the player' and built his confidence it'd possibly make Bennett into a reasonably decent player. Alas wasn't to be.
His transfer record overall was very poor in my opinion, paid a ridiculous figure for Waghorn, extortionate loan fee for Wilson if you compare that with Norwich signing Buendia on a perm for a similar figure.
The 'too good an opportunity he couldn't miss' saga was what really made me lose my respect for him. He could have left sooner to give us a better option to recruit. I thought at the time it was too soon for him learn his craft at Derby and then look to go but he's 6.5 million (or whatever the figure) richer for it. He could have been an absolute success at the club and left the fans with a 'what could have been' feeling.
Cocu - Why didn't it work for you Philip, why?
Well we all know the answer to this really, he was just so dour, so boring really. Very different personality to our previous manager so it was no doubt a shock to the squad and a shock to Cocu how demanding this league really is. Got us very close to the play offs (pre covid) but realistically we all knew it just wasn't going to happen. Our worst squad in many years if you compare it to the years when we had Hendrick, Thorne, Hughes, Bryson, Russell, Ince, Bent etc.....
Had Cocu those players at his disposal, would he have got us promoted? I think he just might have.
Fabulous fella in terms of how he conducted himself and the well documented controversies he had to deal with.
The one thing I've not mentioned earlier is that he was undermined from the start when Rooney was announced as a player / coach - most fans sensed Rooney's being signed to take over and that's exactly how it panned out.
I honestly hope it works out for Cocu and he's a managerial success in Europe. Our first experience of a foreign manager I believe and based on the new Brexit laws it'll possibly be a long time before another comes along.
Wayne Rooney - seriously, what do we know about football? Most of us I believe were skeptical about his appointment, some incredibly disappointed at the time it didn't work out for Cocu. The initial start was a complete mess when the manager name was:
WayneRooneyLiamRosienorShayGivenJustinWalker (try getting that on your shirt)
With Rooney taking over sole charge I was concerned, looking at the line up he'd only gone and made 6 or 7 changes, we're going to get tonked. But we didn't and he did the right thing by putting seasoned pros in the side and giving majority of the youngsters a breather.
He's definitely showing a wise head on young shoulders, tactical more acute than Lampard, a much better understanding of this division than Cocu. He's signed a blend of players suited to this division and those he believes can make an impression and I think the young lads from Man Utd and Everton will do an impressive job when called upon.
It was recently said that Rooney has been getting guidance from Fergie on management with Alex Ferguson gifting Rooney with the TV series - The World at War.
Fergie - "Before you enter a war and first go into the army, you think, 'Oh! It's great to join,' but when you get there it's entirely different, it changes you,"
Rooney is oddly regarded as a 'street fighter' on the pitch and I do see similarities between him and Diego Simeone in terms of manager, he's probably exactly what we need (without seeing it at the time) right now. His evolution from player to manager has been impressive, long may his positive impact continue on this club.
Sadly I didn't get the opportunity to see him play in our shirt but I do look forward to returning to Pride Park and seeing us win with Wayne Rooney as our manger for years to come.
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
He's got you there Spart.
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Can't match that riposte. Oscar is. almost up to Donald Trump standard with his rapier like wit.
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Always felt you should of gone for that really good manager that was available can’t remember his name but use to manage wolves and then Ireland and recently Ipswich, always use to do amazing on no budget
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Should have not should of, we speak English on our board.
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Ooo grammar patrol, guessing you also speak about wearing dresses ya mug
That would be amusing to see in Thorne...
'That would be amusing to see in Thorne...'
Spart's the Grayson Perry of the Derby board
I saw a quote from Owen Bradley saying that of the managers he has had dealings with, Rooney is by far the best from a professional point of view. He also says he is more engaged with the Academy than any previous manager including Cocu, which surprised me. I don't think many fans of any persuasion thought that Rooney had a chance of emulating the relative successes of Gerrard and Lampard. He has a very long way to go but it's hard to deny that from the limited evidence so far he has gone about his job in a very impressive way.
Seems obvious now, but as far as footballing matters go, Rooney knows his onions.
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
I saw a quote from Owen Bradley saying that of the managers he has had dealings with, Rooney is by far the best from a professional point of view. He also says he is more engaged with the Academy than any previous manager including Cocu, which surprised me. I don't think many fans of any persuasion thought that Rooney had a chance of emulating the relative successes of Gerrard and Lampard. He has a very long way to go but it's hard to deny that from the limited evidence so far he has gone about his job in a very impressive way.
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Wow ! I'd not hear that. You'd have thought that Cocu would have been that one that interacted with the Academy more really. Interesting comment.
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posted on 15/2/21
I was 100% against Rooney becoming manager. I thought he would be a disaster. I don’t think it is too early to say that he will be a good manager- he has adapted himself to the current mess we are in extremely well, remaining focused and showing pragmatism of selection, tactics and recruitment while still encouraging youth development. He seems to have a nice ruthless streak aswell.
posted on 15/2/21
I still think Lampard could have done something special. I liked the guy but it was at 2.01pm on that fateful afternoon, in McDonalds on Wembley Way when it was announced that Jack Marriot was not starting. Genuinely think that had that news been different, well.......
Cocu? Really welcomed the appointment and liked the ideas and phililosophy but I think non-footballing stuff took its toll. In the end, just failed to inspire.
Rooney, loved it when he came, but it didn't really turn the tanker. As manager, he seems to have the nous and that detachment that a boss should have (none of this being bezzies with the players). Mmmm.....could be a long term thing - slow build etc but I also think that Rosenior deserves credit for having the maturity to step slightly aside and let Rooney be the main man.
posted on 15/2/21
comment by ViewFromCroxteth (U1581)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I still think Lampard could have done something special. I liked the guy but it was at 2.01pm on that fateful afternoon, in McDonalds on Wembley Way when it was announced that Jack Marriot was not starting. Genuinely think that had that news been different, well.......
Cocu? Really welcomed the appointment and liked the ideas and phililosophy but I think non-footballing stuff took its toll. In the end, just failed to inspire.
Rooney, loved it when he came, but it didn't really turn the tanker. As manager, he seems to have the nous and that detachment that a boss should have (none of this being bezzies with the players). Mmmm.....could be a long term thing - slow build etc but I also think that Rosenior deserves credit for having the maturity to step slightly aside and let Rooney be the main man.
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View... totally agree re Lampard/Marriott and play off final. That was a schoolboy error. As was his going to Chelsea.
What I like about Rooney as manager is that he is delegating roles to the team around him and giving them credit for it.
Cocu was a wet blanket... probably a very nice man but no obvious charisma.
posted on 15/2/21
At the time I thought the same about the Wembley selection but I read subsequently that Marriott was not thought to be fit enough to last ninety minutes. Lampard thought our best chance was to stay in the game and then try to nick it with Marriott and others off the bench, maybe in a 120 minute game. Bennett's role was therefore to run around as best he could, doing Marriott's hard yards for him so that the latter might be able to exploit tired Villa legs late on.
OK, in the end we fell short but I do now see the logic. But for Roos' mistake for the second goal we could have been looking back on it as a stroke of genius. All a manager can do is to set up his team to give his team the best chance of winning and then he is at the mercy of how the players perform on the day. I think we would have been likely to lose no matter what the Wembley selection was but we aren't going to know now.
posted on 15/2/21
Always felt you should of gone for that really good manager that was available can’t remember his name but use to manage wolves and then Ireland and recently Ipswich, always use to do amazing on no budget
posted on 15/2/21
Mick McCarthy that was it
Brilliant manager always felt like he deserved a top job
posted on 15/2/21
comment by Peeder (U1684)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by ViewFromCroxteth (U1581)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I still think Lampard could have done something special. I liked the guy but it was at 2.01pm on that fateful afternoon, in McDonalds on Wembley Way when it was announced that Jack Marriot was not starting. Genuinely think that had that news been different, well.......
Cocu? Really welcomed the appointment and liked the ideas and phililosophy but I think non-footballing stuff took its toll. In the end, just failed to inspire.
Rooney, loved it when he came, but it didn't really turn the tanker. As manager, he seems to have the nous and that detachment that a boss should have (none of this being bezzies with the players). Mmmm.....could be a long term thing - slow build etc but I also think that Rosenior deserves credit for having the maturity to step slightly aside and let Rooney be the main man.
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View... totally agree re Lampard/Marriott and play off final. That was a schoolboy error. As was his going to Chelsea.
What I like about Rooney as manager is that he is delegating roles to the team around him and giving them credit for it.
Cocu was a wet blanket... probably a very nice man but no obvious charisma.
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Don't think Marriott would have made much difference had he started. Having to play Cole was the main problem, McGinn was given the freedom of Wembley.
Schoolboy error of going to Chelsea. If only I could have made such lucrative schoolboy errors.
posted on 15/2/21
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Always felt you should of gone for that really good manager that was available can’t remember his name but use to manage wolves and then Ireland and recently Ipswich, always use to do amazing on no budget
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Should have not should of, we speak English on our board.
posted on 15/2/21
I didn't mind Lampard taking his dream job & I still don't, I would have done & have done in the same situation. Some of us really need to take off our Derby County hat off.
He could have redeemed his "Wembley school boy error" by starting the second half with Marriott if he wasn't fit enough for the full 90.
Cocu, I like some had high hopes for him but it seems to me that not enough of the squad bought into the ideals & system.
Rooney, well I like many was dead set against him becoming manager, but he has changed my opinion, he's done well to galvanise the squad & make Derby harder to beat.
posted on 15/2/21
comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Always felt you should of gone for that really good manager that was available can’t remember his name but use to manage wolves and then Ireland and recently Ipswich, always use to do amazing on no budget
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Should have not should of, we speak English on our board.
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Ooo grammar patrol, guessing you also speak about wearing dresses ya mug
posted on 15/2/21
He's got you there Spart.
posted on 15/2/21
Great post Terry.
Lampard - interesting appointment, certainly one that would rejuvenate the squad in terms of having an ex-England international as manager and a relatively young one who could relate to most players. Spoke well, came across intelligent in interviews.
Who was he most influenced by as managers? Looking as his team selection time after time I'd have to say Claudio Ranieri as he certainly loved to tinker that side and his team selection vs Villa (away game?) was absolutely shocking and we got served.
I think he bought a gem in Marriott ( just turned out Marriott was not quite right mentally in terms of his professionalism) and I really, really liked Holmes (before Huddersfield-gate came out and what he did). Lampard can also be given given credit for getting 10-15% more out of Mason Bennett because that boy started to look good and I thought if he continued his style of 'arm around the player' and built his confidence it'd possibly make Bennett into a reasonably decent player. Alas wasn't to be.
His transfer record overall was very poor in my opinion, paid a ridiculous figure for Waghorn, extortionate loan fee for Wilson if you compare that with Norwich signing Buendia on a perm for a similar figure.
The 'too good an opportunity he couldn't miss' saga was what really made me lose my respect for him. He could have left sooner to give us a better option to recruit. I thought at the time it was too soon for him learn his craft at Derby and then look to go but he's 6.5 million (or whatever the figure) richer for it. He could have been an absolute success at the club and left the fans with a 'what could have been' feeling.
Cocu - Why didn't it work for you Philip, why?
Well we all know the answer to this really, he was just so dour, so boring really. Very different personality to our previous manager so it was no doubt a shock to the squad and a shock to Cocu how demanding this league really is. Got us very close to the play offs (pre covid) but realistically we all knew it just wasn't going to happen. Our worst squad in many years if you compare it to the years when we had Hendrick, Thorne, Hughes, Bryson, Russell, Ince, Bent etc.....
Had Cocu those players at his disposal, would he have got us promoted? I think he just might have.
Fabulous fella in terms of how he conducted himself and the well documented controversies he had to deal with.
The one thing I've not mentioned earlier is that he was undermined from the start when Rooney was announced as a player / coach - most fans sensed Rooney's being signed to take over and that's exactly how it panned out.
I honestly hope it works out for Cocu and he's a managerial success in Europe. Our first experience of a foreign manager I believe and based on the new Brexit laws it'll possibly be a long time before another comes along.
Wayne Rooney - seriously, what do we know about football? Most of us I believe were skeptical about his appointment, some incredibly disappointed at the time it didn't work out for Cocu. The initial start was a complete mess when the manager name was:
WayneRooneyLiamRosienorShayGivenJustinWalker (try getting that on your shirt)
With Rooney taking over sole charge I was concerned, looking at the line up he'd only gone and made 6 or 7 changes, we're going to get tonked. But we didn't and he did the right thing by putting seasoned pros in the side and giving majority of the youngsters a breather.
He's definitely showing a wise head on young shoulders, tactical more acute than Lampard, a much better understanding of this division than Cocu. He's signed a blend of players suited to this division and those he believes can make an impression and I think the young lads from Man Utd and Everton will do an impressive job when called upon.
It was recently said that Rooney has been getting guidance from Fergie on management with Alex Ferguson gifting Rooney with the TV series - The World at War.
Fergie - "Before you enter a war and first go into the army, you think, 'Oh! It's great to join,' but when you get there it's entirely different, it changes you,"
Rooney is oddly regarded as a 'street fighter' on the pitch and I do see similarities between him and Diego Simeone in terms of manager, he's probably exactly what we need (without seeing it at the time) right now. His evolution from player to manager has been impressive, long may his positive impact continue on this club.
Sadly I didn't get the opportunity to see him play in our shirt but I do look forward to returning to Pride Park and seeing us win with Wayne Rooney as our manger for years to come.
posted on 15/2/21
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
He's got you there Spart.
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Can't match that riposte. Oscar is. almost up to Donald Trump standard with his rapier like wit.
posted on 15/2/21
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Always felt you should of gone for that really good manager that was available can’t remember his name but use to manage wolves and then Ireland and recently Ipswich, always use to do amazing on no budget
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Should have not should of, we speak English on our board.
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Ooo grammar patrol, guessing you also speak about wearing dresses ya mug
That would be amusing to see in Thorne...
posted on 15/2/21
'That would be amusing to see in Thorne...'
Spart's the Grayson Perry of the Derby board
posted on 15/2/21
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
posted on 16/2/21
I saw a quote from Owen Bradley saying that of the managers he has had dealings with, Rooney is by far the best from a professional point of view. He also says he is more engaged with the Academy than any previous manager including Cocu, which surprised me. I don't think many fans of any persuasion thought that Rooney had a chance of emulating the relative successes of Gerrard and Lampard. He has a very long way to go but it's hard to deny that from the limited evidence so far he has gone about his job in a very impressive way.
posted on 16/2/21
Seems obvious now, but as far as footballing matters go, Rooney knows his onions.
posted on 17/2/21
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
I saw a quote from Owen Bradley saying that of the managers he has had dealings with, Rooney is by far the best from a professional point of view. He also says he is more engaged with the Academy than any previous manager including Cocu, which surprised me. I don't think many fans of any persuasion thought that Rooney had a chance of emulating the relative successes of Gerrard and Lampard. He has a very long way to go but it's hard to deny that from the limited evidence so far he has gone about his job in a very impressive way.
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Wow ! I'd not hear that. You'd have thought that Cocu would have been that one that interacted with the Academy more really. Interesting comment.
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