comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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Why have our defenders gone backwards this season as well? And why is the manager constantly picking the same players and keeper who are contributing to these severe mistakes?
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who would you pick to play CB then Arab?
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 10 minutes ago
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
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These are literally the same arguments made by nearly everyone on this board with the previous bloke, lack of tempo and crappy defending at times.
The thing is though we had the best keeper in the world back then bailing us out time and time again.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 10 minutes ago
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
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These are literally the same arguments made by nearly everyone on this board with the previous bloke, lack of tempo and crappy defending at times.
The thing is though we had the best keeper in the world back then bailing us out time and time again.
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which we dont have now... yet we are further ahead than before
Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here).
I asked this question at the beginning of the thread, how many games can you say we played very well in for the whole 90 mins and deserved to win?
For me it was Leeds, Southampton, Everton (even though we drew) and Aston Villa. In the CL, we played well against PSG and Leipzig in the first games only.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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Why have our defenders gone backwards this season as well? And why is the manager constantly picking the same players and keeper who are contributing to these severe mistakes?
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Some accuse him of playing favourites.
It doesn't help when poor performances are being rewarded.
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 10 minutes ago
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
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These are literally the same arguments made by nearly everyone on this board with the previous bloke, lack of tempo and crappy defending at times.
The thing is though we had the best keeper in the world back then bailing us out time and time again.
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which we dont have now... yet we are further ahead than before
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We're in the same current position that we finished under that bloke at the end.
Do shutup you old decrepit fart please,
.....
Not going to happen while you keep talking utter $hite. All you have to do is look at the quality of poster who agrees with you.
The likes of Plumpy (who isn’t a United fan) Sat Nav and N2.
They, like you, are easy to counter because you live in an alternate reality to facts.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 10 minutes ago
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
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These are literally the same arguments made by nearly everyone on this board with the previous bloke, lack of tempo and crappy defending at times.
The thing is though we had the best keeper in the world back then bailing us out time and time again.
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The football and attacking intent is night and day between Ole and Mourinho's teams.
Just pop over on to the Spurs board and see what they think of him. We've just got a small knot of plums who seem to think that bringing Allegri in will change the world (formerly Pochettino, formerly, briefly, Hassenhutl, soon to be Nagelsman).
Here would be my absolute rules for United:
Lindelof and Maguire cannot play as a partnership
Rashford and Shaw need to play on the left together as often as possible.
Cavani and Greenwood should be the No9. Martial can battle it out for the LW/RW spot.
If Fred and McT play together in midfield one of them (preferanly McT) needs to be given licence to more forward.
The GK has to be instructed to come out of his six yard box for crosses more often. I don't accept that DDG can't do this even if he hasn't for the earlier part of his career. His cat-like reflexes won't last forever so he needs to improve elsewhere. If the defenders knew he was coming out they could get out the way and cover on the line if needed. If a GK is clattered they usually (but not DDG for some reason though!) get a FK.
We need to be a bit angrier when we concede. Not enough annoyance at teammates/officials when we do.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here).
I asked this question at the beginning of the thread, how many games can you say we played very well in for the whole 90 mins and deserved to win?
For me it was Leeds, Southampton, Everton (even though we drew) and Aston Villa. In the CL, we played well against PSG and Leipzig in the first games only.
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it seems to me any game that we go behind in we dont deserve to win.
we went 2-0 down against saints and came back to win... any team coming back from 2-0 down to score 3 away from home likely deserves to win.
the same can be said about the game away to west ham too.
going behind ( as we have done too often this season) does not automatically mean we havent deserved to win
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 seconds ago
We haven’t conceded more goals than 80% of the league. That’s another untruth. It isn’t even *close* to being true.
Fair enough, I over exaggerated there. 9 teams currently have conceded more, with 2 teams on the same amount which includes one battling for fecking relegation.
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The defensive side of our game hasn’t been up to scratch. Nobody I think is going to argue that. It’s a challenge for the manager, the coaches, the players and the club.
I’ve set out in a post above a bunch of the problems with our defending this season, and there’s at least as much work to do collectively on the training ground and in the tactical sessions as there is in player recruitment.
Everyone knows we’re a CB short, and for me, it’s probably the top priority area again this summer. We need a consistent, mobile, athletic, strong, aerially competent player who can also pass the ball next to Maguire.
If Bailly was able to play more than ten or fifteen games a season, he could become a decent foil for Harry, but like Jones, he just needs shipping. We can’t carry him forever. It’s a waste of money and detrimental to the squad. Really I think we need to replace both with a (hopefully) starter and an experienced, dependable reserve who can work with Mengi and Tuanzebe.
The more difficult work than signing players is in tweaking the approach to get the balance right between the defence and attack, because that’s been part of the problem. Overloading offensively and keeping players up the pitch (voluntarily and involuntarily) has hurt us on numerous occasions.
Set pieces too; the list goes on. The overall defensive piece is probably the biggest one to address.
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here).
I asked this question at the beginning of the thread, how many games can you say we played very well in for the whole 90 mins and deserved to win?
For me it was Leeds, Southampton, Everton (even though we drew) and Aston Villa. In the CL, we played well against PSG and Leipzig in the first games only.
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it seems to me any game that we go behind in we dont deserve to win.
we went 2-0 down against saints and came back to win... any team coming back from 2-0 down to score 3 away from home likely deserves to win.
the same can be said about the game away to west ham too.
going behind ( as we have done too often this season) does not automatically mean we havent deserved to win
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I thought we were pretty unlucky to be 2-0 down v Saints in truth.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 46 seconds ago
Here would be my absolute rules for United:
Lindelof and Maguire cannot play as a partnership
Rashford and Shaw need to play on the left together as often as possible.
Cavani and Greenwood should be the No9. Martial can battle it out for the LW/RW spot.
If Fred and McT play together in midfield one of them (preferanly McT) needs to be given licence to more forward.
The GK has to be instructed to come out of his six yard box for crosses more often. I don't accept that DDG can't do this even if he hasn't for the earlier part of his career. His cat-like reflexes won't last forever so he needs to improve elsewhere. If the defenders knew he was coming out they could get out the way and cover on the line if needed. If a GK is clattered they usually (but not DDG for some reason though!) get a FK.
We need to be a bit angrier when we concede. Not enough annoyance at teammates/officials when we do.
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I agree with most of that, Diafol.
What I don't agree with is the last bit, I think a lot of the comeback wins have been to do with staying calm and not letting conceding make everyone try and force the game.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do shutup you old decrepit fart please,
.....
Not going to happen while you keep talking utter $hite. All you have to do is look at the quality of poster who agrees with you.
The likes of Plumpy (who isn’t a United fan) Sat Nav and N2.
They, like you, are easy to counter because you live in an alternate reality to facts.
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Sat Nav hasn't even posted on this thread you stupid plank, christ you don't do much to disprove the old fart theory do you? Take a nap old man.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here).
I asked this question at the beginning of the thread, how many games can you say we played very well in for the whole 90 mins and deserved to win?
For me it was Leeds, Southampton, Everton (even though we drew) and Aston Villa. In the CL, we played well against PSG and Leipzig in the first games only.
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it seems to me any game that we go behind in we dont deserve to win.
we went 2-0 down against saints and came back to win... any team coming back from 2-0 down to score 3 away from home likely deserves to win.
the same can be said about the game away to west ham too.
going behind ( as we have done too often this season) does not automatically mean we havent deserved to win
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I thought we were pretty unlucky to be 2-0 down v Saints in truth.
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me too.
reading arabs list of deserved wins suggests that you have to dominate a game and win by a few to consider it a success which is so far off the mark its unreal
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
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There are quite a few posters who do come across as unhappy that we won. The OP is a classic example.
The performance wasn’t a great one and it wasn’t a bad one either.
What we had is what we have had most of the season. A mixture of good football and poor football with a hell of a lot of in between.
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The problem is we fail to do a number of the basics, and I think this is where the frustration comes from.
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Hmm. A team that fails to do the basics doesn't usually find themselves in 2nd place.
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 10 minutes ago
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
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These are literally the same arguments made by nearly everyone on this board with the previous bloke, lack of tempo and crappy defending at times.
The thing is though we had the best keeper in the world back then bailing us out time and time again.
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The football and attacking intent is night and day between Ole and Mourinho's teams.
Just pop over on to the Spurs board and see what they think of him. We've just got a small knot of plums who seem to think that bringing Allegri in will change the world (formerly Pochettino, formerly, briefly, Hassenhutl, soon to be Nagelsman).
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At least with Allegri we could defend properly. And I don't doubt if he was in charge the results would be more better either, but the football would of course be an issue.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do shutup you old decrepit fart please,
.....
Not going to happen while you keep talking utter $hite. All you have to do is look at the quality of poster who agrees with you.
The likes of Plumpy (who isn’t a United fan) Sat Nav and N2.
They, like you, are easy to counter because you live in an alternate reality to facts.
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Sat Nav hasn't even posted on this thread you stupid plank, christ you don't do much to disprove the old fart theory do you? Take a nap old man.
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i find it quite ironic that youve complained of childish name calling on both this and 52's thread... yet youve done nothing but do the same yourself
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here).
I asked this question at the beginning of the thread, how many games can you say we played very well in for the whole 90 mins and deserved to win?
For me it was Leeds, Southampton, Everton (even though we drew) and Aston Villa. In the CL, we played well against PSG and Leipzig in the first games only.
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it seems to me any game that we go behind in we dont deserve to win.
we went 2-0 down against saints and came back to win... any team coming back from 2-0 down to score 3 away from home likely deserves to win.
the same can be said about the game away to west ham too.
going behind ( as we have done too often this season) does not automatically mean we havent deserved to win
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I thought we were pretty unlucky to be 2-0 down v Saints in truth.
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Yep, that's another game we didn't deserve to have lost. Thankfully we didn't.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 second ago
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At least with Allegri we could defend properly. And I don't doubt if he was in charge the results would be more better either, but the football would of course be an issue.
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Been through all that with Van Gaal. I wouldn't wish it on a dog
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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You're being dogmatic again. Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here). You going to answer the point about just saying we're rubbish and calling for the manager's head being the reason you get the reaction you do?
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We have had very few easy wins. That was a topic of conversation a few weeks back, I'm sure you remember.
Ole will get until the end of the season, and then a decision will be made. Don't think many are saying he should be sacked now.
reading arabs list of deserved wins suggests that you have to dominate a game and win by a few to consider it a success which is so far off the mark its unreal
Is it hard to expect a team assembled for so much money to string a few performances where we are on top for the entire 90 mins or maybe just a large part of it?
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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You're being dogmatic again. Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here). You going to answer the point about just saying we're rubbish and calling for the manager's head being the reason you get the reaction you do?
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We have had very few easy wins. That was a topic of conversation a few weeks back, I'm sure you remember.
Ole will get until the end of the season, and then a decision will be made. Don't think many are saying he should be sacked now.
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Ha ha, so great performances are easy wins, but winning with a bad performance is unnaceptable.
OK mate.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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Why have our defenders gone backwards this season as well? And why is the manager constantly picking the same players and keeper who are contributing to these severe mistakes?
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I don’t think our defenders have gone backwards this season.
I think our keeper has been a long way below his previous (exceptionally high) standards again and Lindelof has struggled with the same issues he’s had previously (physical domination, aerial defending).
Shaw has been excellent, and Maguire has been consistently strong.
The only one of the starters whom as an individual you may argue has gone backwards is AWB. His positioning has been as times dreadful, as has his decisionmaking on occasion. He struggles to identify danger early enough too often. But he’s still a kid, and all of the above can be improved and he has plenty of time to work on.
What has gone backwards is our defending, not our defenders.
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do shutup you old decrepit fart please,
.....
Not going to happen while you keep talking utter $hite. All you have to do is look at the quality of poster who agrees with you.
The likes of Plumpy (who isn’t a United fan) Sat Nav and N2.
They, like you, are easy to counter because you live in an alternate reality to facts.
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Sat Nav hasn't even posted on this thread you stupid plank, christ you don't do much to disprove the old fart theory do you? Take a nap old man.
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i find it quite ironic that youve complained of childish name calling on both this and 52's thread... yet youve done nothing but do the same yourself
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I'm getting personal with the posters who are doing the same thing back, most of you on this thread from the first page have resorted to petty childish insults because you haven't debated the point properly. It's why I said a lot of you are cultists.
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posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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Why have our defenders gone backwards this season as well? And why is the manager constantly picking the same players and keeper who are contributing to these severe mistakes?
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who would you pick to play CB then Arab?
posted on 22/2/21
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 10 minutes ago
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
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These are literally the same arguments made by nearly everyone on this board with the previous bloke, lack of tempo and crappy defending at times.
The thing is though we had the best keeper in the world back then bailing us out time and time again.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 10 minutes ago
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
These are literally the same arguments made by nearly everyone on this board with the previous bloke, lack of tempo and crappy defending at times.
The thing is though we had the best keeper in the world back then bailing us out time and time again.
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which we dont have now... yet we are further ahead than before
posted on 22/2/21
Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here).
I asked this question at the beginning of the thread, how many games can you say we played very well in for the whole 90 mins and deserved to win?
For me it was Leeds, Southampton, Everton (even though we drew) and Aston Villa. In the CL, we played well against PSG and Leipzig in the first games only.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why have our defenders gone backwards this season as well? And why is the manager constantly picking the same players and keeper who are contributing to these severe mistakes?
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Some accuse him of playing favourites.
It doesn't help when poor performances are being rewarded.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 10 minutes ago
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
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These are literally the same arguments made by nearly everyone on this board with the previous bloke, lack of tempo and crappy defending at times.
The thing is though we had the best keeper in the world back then bailing us out time and time again.
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which we dont have now... yet we are further ahead than before
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We're in the same current position that we finished under that bloke at the end.
posted on 22/2/21
Do shutup you old decrepit fart please,
.....
Not going to happen while you keep talking utter $hite. All you have to do is look at the quality of poster who agrees with you.
The likes of Plumpy (who isn’t a United fan) Sat Nav and N2.
They, like you, are easy to counter because you live in an alternate reality to facts.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 10 minutes ago
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
These are literally the same arguments made by nearly everyone on this board with the previous bloke, lack of tempo and crappy defending at times.
The thing is though we had the best keeper in the world back then bailing us out time and time again.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The football and attacking intent is night and day between Ole and Mourinho's teams.
Just pop over on to the Spurs board and see what they think of him. We've just got a small knot of plums who seem to think that bringing Allegri in will change the world (formerly Pochettino, formerly, briefly, Hassenhutl, soon to be Nagelsman).
posted on 22/2/21
Here would be my absolute rules for United:
Lindelof and Maguire cannot play as a partnership
Rashford and Shaw need to play on the left together as often as possible.
Cavani and Greenwood should be the No9. Martial can battle it out for the LW/RW spot.
If Fred and McT play together in midfield one of them (preferanly McT) needs to be given licence to more forward.
The GK has to be instructed to come out of his six yard box for crosses more often. I don't accept that DDG can't do this even if he hasn't for the earlier part of his career. His cat-like reflexes won't last forever so he needs to improve elsewhere. If the defenders knew he was coming out they could get out the way and cover on the line if needed. If a GK is clattered they usually (but not DDG for some reason though!) get a FK.
We need to be a bit angrier when we concede. Not enough annoyance at teammates/officials when we do.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here).
I asked this question at the beginning of the thread, how many games can you say we played very well in for the whole 90 mins and deserved to win?
For me it was Leeds, Southampton, Everton (even though we drew) and Aston Villa. In the CL, we played well against PSG and Leipzig in the first games only.
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it seems to me any game that we go behind in we dont deserve to win.
we went 2-0 down against saints and came back to win... any team coming back from 2-0 down to score 3 away from home likely deserves to win.
the same can be said about the game away to west ham too.
going behind ( as we have done too often this season) does not automatically mean we havent deserved to win
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 seconds ago
We haven’t conceded more goals than 80% of the league. That’s another untruth. It isn’t even *close* to being true.
Fair enough, I over exaggerated there. 9 teams currently have conceded more, with 2 teams on the same amount which includes one battling for fecking relegation.
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The defensive side of our game hasn’t been up to scratch. Nobody I think is going to argue that. It’s a challenge for the manager, the coaches, the players and the club.
I’ve set out in a post above a bunch of the problems with our defending this season, and there’s at least as much work to do collectively on the training ground and in the tactical sessions as there is in player recruitment.
Everyone knows we’re a CB short, and for me, it’s probably the top priority area again this summer. We need a consistent, mobile, athletic, strong, aerially competent player who can also pass the ball next to Maguire.
If Bailly was able to play more than ten or fifteen games a season, he could become a decent foil for Harry, but like Jones, he just needs shipping. We can’t carry him forever. It’s a waste of money and detrimental to the squad. Really I think we need to replace both with a (hopefully) starter and an experienced, dependable reserve who can work with Mengi and Tuanzebe.
The more difficult work than signing players is in tweaking the approach to get the balance right between the defence and attack, because that’s been part of the problem. Overloading offensively and keeping players up the pitch (voluntarily and involuntarily) has hurt us on numerous occasions.
Set pieces too; the list goes on. The overall defensive piece is probably the biggest one to address.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here).
I asked this question at the beginning of the thread, how many games can you say we played very well in for the whole 90 mins and deserved to win?
For me it was Leeds, Southampton, Everton (even though we drew) and Aston Villa. In the CL, we played well against PSG and Leipzig in the first games only.
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it seems to me any game that we go behind in we dont deserve to win.
we went 2-0 down against saints and came back to win... any team coming back from 2-0 down to score 3 away from home likely deserves to win.
the same can be said about the game away to west ham too.
going behind ( as we have done too often this season) does not automatically mean we havent deserved to win
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I thought we were pretty unlucky to be 2-0 down v Saints in truth.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 46 seconds ago
Here would be my absolute rules for United:
Lindelof and Maguire cannot play as a partnership
Rashford and Shaw need to play on the left together as often as possible.
Cavani and Greenwood should be the No9. Martial can battle it out for the LW/RW spot.
If Fred and McT play together in midfield one of them (preferanly McT) needs to be given licence to more forward.
The GK has to be instructed to come out of his six yard box for crosses more often. I don't accept that DDG can't do this even if he hasn't for the earlier part of his career. His cat-like reflexes won't last forever so he needs to improve elsewhere. If the defenders knew he was coming out they could get out the way and cover on the line if needed. If a GK is clattered they usually (but not DDG for some reason though!) get a FK.
We need to be a bit angrier when we concede. Not enough annoyance at teammates/officials when we do.
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I agree with most of that, Diafol.
What I don't agree with is the last bit, I think a lot of the comeback wins have been to do with staying calm and not letting conceding make everyone try and force the game.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do shutup you old decrepit fart please,
.....
Not going to happen while you keep talking utter $hite. All you have to do is look at the quality of poster who agrees with you.
The likes of Plumpy (who isn’t a United fan) Sat Nav and N2.
They, like you, are easy to counter because you live in an alternate reality to facts.
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Sat Nav hasn't even posted on this thread you stupid plank, christ you don't do much to disprove the old fart theory do you? Take a nap old man.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here).
I asked this question at the beginning of the thread, how many games can you say we played very well in for the whole 90 mins and deserved to win?
For me it was Leeds, Southampton, Everton (even though we drew) and Aston Villa. In the CL, we played well against PSG and Leipzig in the first games only.
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it seems to me any game that we go behind in we dont deserve to win.
we went 2-0 down against saints and came back to win... any team coming back from 2-0 down to score 3 away from home likely deserves to win.
the same can be said about the game away to west ham too.
going behind ( as we have done too often this season) does not automatically mean we havent deserved to win
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I thought we were pretty unlucky to be 2-0 down v Saints in truth.
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me too.
reading arabs list of deserved wins suggests that you have to dominate a game and win by a few to consider it a success which is so far off the mark its unreal
posted on 22/2/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
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There are quite a few posters who do come across as unhappy that we won. The OP is a classic example.
The performance wasn’t a great one and it wasn’t a bad one either.
What we had is what we have had most of the season. A mixture of good football and poor football with a hell of a lot of in between.
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The problem is we fail to do a number of the basics, and I think this is where the frustration comes from.
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Hmm. A team that fails to do the basics doesn't usually find themselves in 2nd place.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 10 minutes ago
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
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These are literally the same arguments made by nearly everyone on this board with the previous bloke, lack of tempo and crappy defending at times.
The thing is though we had the best keeper in the world back then bailing us out time and time again.
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The football and attacking intent is night and day between Ole and Mourinho's teams.
Just pop over on to the Spurs board and see what they think of him. We've just got a small knot of plums who seem to think that bringing Allegri in will change the world (formerly Pochettino, formerly, briefly, Hassenhutl, soon to be Nagelsman).
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At least with Allegri we could defend properly. And I don't doubt if he was in charge the results would be more better either, but the football would of course be an issue.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do shutup you old decrepit fart please,
.....
Not going to happen while you keep talking utter $hite. All you have to do is look at the quality of poster who agrees with you.
The likes of Plumpy (who isn’t a United fan) Sat Nav and N2.
They, like you, are easy to counter because you live in an alternate reality to facts.
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Sat Nav hasn't even posted on this thread you stupid plank, christ you don't do much to disprove the old fart theory do you? Take a nap old man.
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i find it quite ironic that youve complained of childish name calling on both this and 52's thread... yet youve done nothing but do the same yourself
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here).
I asked this question at the beginning of the thread, how many games can you say we played very well in for the whole 90 mins and deserved to win?
For me it was Leeds, Southampton, Everton (even though we drew) and Aston Villa. In the CL, we played well against PSG and Leipzig in the first games only.
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it seems to me any game that we go behind in we dont deserve to win.
we went 2-0 down against saints and came back to win... any team coming back from 2-0 down to score 3 away from home likely deserves to win.
the same can be said about the game away to west ham too.
going behind ( as we have done too often this season) does not automatically mean we havent deserved to win
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I thought we were pretty unlucky to be 2-0 down v Saints in truth.
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Yep, that's another game we didn't deserve to have lost. Thankfully we didn't.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 second ago
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At least with Allegri we could defend properly. And I don't doubt if he was in charge the results would be more better either, but the football would of course be an issue.
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Been through all that with Van Gaal. I wouldn't wish it on a dog
posted on 22/2/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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You're being dogmatic again. Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here). You going to answer the point about just saying we're rubbish and calling for the manager's head being the reason you get the reaction you do?
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We have had very few easy wins. That was a topic of conversation a few weeks back, I'm sure you remember.
Ole will get until the end of the season, and then a decision will be made. Don't think many are saying he should be sacked now.
posted on 22/2/21
reading arabs list of deserved wins suggests that you have to dominate a game and win by a few to consider it a success which is so far off the mark its unreal
Is it hard to expect a team assembled for so much money to string a few performances where we are on top for the entire 90 mins or maybe just a large part of it?
posted on 22/2/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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You're being dogmatic again. Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here). You going to answer the point about just saying we're rubbish and calling for the manager's head being the reason you get the reaction you do?
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We have had very few easy wins. That was a topic of conversation a few weeks back, I'm sure you remember.
Ole will get until the end of the season, and then a decision will be made. Don't think many are saying he should be sacked now.
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Ha ha, so great performances are easy wins, but winning with a bad performance is unnaceptable.
OK mate.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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Why have our defenders gone backwards this season as well? And why is the manager constantly picking the same players and keeper who are contributing to these severe mistakes?
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I don’t think our defenders have gone backwards this season.
I think our keeper has been a long way below his previous (exceptionally high) standards again and Lindelof has struggled with the same issues he’s had previously (physical domination, aerial defending).
Shaw has been excellent, and Maguire has been consistently strong.
The only one of the starters whom as an individual you may argue has gone backwards is AWB. His positioning has been as times dreadful, as has his decisionmaking on occasion. He struggles to identify danger early enough too often. But he’s still a kid, and all of the above can be improved and he has plenty of time to work on.
What has gone backwards is our defending, not our defenders.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do shutup you old decrepit fart please,
.....
Not going to happen while you keep talking utter $hite. All you have to do is look at the quality of poster who agrees with you.
The likes of Plumpy (who isn’t a United fan) Sat Nav and N2.
They, like you, are easy to counter because you live in an alternate reality to facts.
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Sat Nav hasn't even posted on this thread you stupid plank, christ you don't do much to disprove the old fart theory do you? Take a nap old man.
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i find it quite ironic that youve complained of childish name calling on both this and 52's thread... yet youve done nothing but do the same yourself
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I'm getting personal with the posters who are doing the same thing back, most of you on this thread from the first page have resorted to petty childish insults because you haven't debated the point properly. It's why I said a lot of you are cultists.
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