The biggest and most important stats would say otherwise though. The league table doesn't lie.
Sorry but when you look at that list of finishes, Arsenal fans don't half look a right bunch of s MOANING about finishing there every year
I feel our pain but it's sooo really not a good look
We’ve gone from a team that appeared in the CL, without competing in it for years, to being a team that can’t compete in it, because we don’t appear in it.
The only ones losing out are the owners.
You should be made up by that, WB2.
comment by Herbie (U7136)
posted 1 day, 2 hours ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A top 20 brand in world football (U11551)
posted 40 minutes ago
I forget already, who took over after Wenger?
I think comparisons are a bit silly, it was clear the mess was coming even before Wenger left and it was largely one he and the club created by failing to address real needs to the squad year on year and buying luxuries instead.
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Takes a Wolves fan to actually see there's nuance to this kind of thing and the rot that has set was brought about by and because of the Wenger regime. That said, Arteta is a mess.
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Nooo.
The "Wenger regime," is the one that revolutionised English football and delivered you your Invincibles, among other glories. As well as keeping your team one of the biggest and best in the PL when it had no financial business being there.
The regime responsible for "the rot" as you put it, well that would be the KROENKE regime. See that's the one that controlled the money. That's the one that when we had 200+ mil of the clubs own money in the bank that could be spanked on whoever Wenger wanted. Told Wenger he couldn't get whoever he wanted and had to just make do. So he could keep as much of the club cash in the club bank acc as possible. See it's worth more in his business portfolio if the cash stays in.
When we should have been buying Cavnani for 60, we got Ozil because he was "a bargain" at 45. When we should have bought VVD at 60, we got Mustafi becuase he was "a bargain for a PL cb" at 30. As Xhaka was "a bargain" potentially in MF, when we could genuinely afford to make an aggressive TM move for someone as good as Veratti. Remember just how Wenger transformed the AFC attack in the first place. This is not a man who has any problem with spending any amount on the right player WHEN LEFT FREE TO DO SO. So this is not a man who would have made the "Ozil (who I don't need) for 45 when I can buy Cavani for 60," decison by choice. Not unless you reckon he enjoyed losing anyway.
There's no better proof that the underlying problem is THE OWNER, than the acquisition of Partey. Absolute steal at modern market rates, desperately needed by AFC, willing to sign on day one of the window. Yet when did Kroenke finally give in on the money??? We're fecking lucky the other major teams are covered in that spot or we'd have lost him. Same as we lost every other top transfer we sniffed at. To clubs whose owners were willing to cough whatever fee it took! THAT'S our problem mate and it's going to hamstring every manager we get until Kroenke learns this isn't America. Here we give CLUBS money every season, as well as players.
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 17 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Herbie (U7136)
posted 1 day, 2 hours ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A top 20 brand in world football (U11551)
posted 40 minutes ago
I forget already, who took over after Wenger?
I think comparisons are a bit silly, it was clear the mess was coming even before Wenger left and it was largely one he and the club created by failing to address real needs to the squad year on year and buying luxuries instead.
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Takes a Wolves fan to actually see there's nuance to this kind of thing and the rot that has set was brought about by and because of the Wenger regime. That said, Arteta is a mess.
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Nooo.
The "Wenger regime," is the one that revolutionised English football and delivered you your Invincibles, among other glories. As well as keeping your team one of the biggest and best in the PL when it had no financial business being there.
The regime responsible for "the rot" as you put it, well that would be the KROENKE regime. See that's the one that controlled the money. That's the one that when we had 200+ mil of the clubs own money in the bank that could be spanked on whoever Wenger wanted. Told Wenger he couldn't get whoever he wanted and had to just make do. So he could keep as much of the club cash in the club bank acc as possible. See it's worth more in his business portfolio if the cash stays in.
When we should have been buying Cavnani for 60, we got Ozil because he was "a bargain" at 45. When we should have bought VVD at 60, we got Mustafi becuase he was "a bargain for a PL cb" at 30. As Xhaka was "a bargain" potentially in MF, when we could genuinely afford to make an aggressive TM move for someone as good as Veratti. Remember just how Wenger transformed the AFC attack in the first place. This is not a man who has any problem with spending any amount on the right player WHEN LEFT FREE TO DO SO. So this is not a man who would have made the "Ozil (who I don't need) for 45 when I can buy Cavani for 60," decison by choice. Not unless you reckon he enjoyed losing anyway.
There's no better proof that the underlying problem is THE OWNER, than the acquisition of Partey. Absolute steal at modern market rates, desperately needed by AFC, willing to sign on day one of the window. Yet when did Kroenke finally give in on the money??? We're fecking lucky the other major teams are covered in that spot or we'd have lost him. Same as we lost every other top transfer we sniffed at. To clubs whose owners were willing to cough whatever fee it took! THAT'S our problem mate and it's going to hamstring every manager we get until Kroenke learns this isn't America. Here we give CLUBS money every season, as well as players.
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Totally agree , the Kroenke's have restricted spending ever since they took over. It would have been interesting to see what Wenger could have done given the money. A lot of his later years were ruined by being restricted financially. He did spend money in his later years , not much of it was on good players either , but he was operating in a market where the top players were simply out of his price range so he had to go for lesser players.
He did spend money in his later years , not much of it was on good players either , but he was operating in a market where the top players were simply out of his price range so he had to go for lesser players.
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Could have got better value for money for the like of Xhaka, Mustafi, Laca, etc.. though.
comment by We've got our Arsenal back (U10012)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
He did spend money in his later years , not much of it was on good players either , but he was operating in a market where the top players were simply out of his price range so he had to go for lesser players.
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Could have got better value for money for the like of Xhaka, Mustafi, Laca, etc.. though.
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Mustafi was a world cup winner so should have been better player than he turned out to be.
comment by (U3265)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
---------------------------------------------------------------------Totally agree , the Kroenke's have restricted spending ever since they took over. It would have been interesting to see what Wenger could have done given the money. A lot of his later years were ruined by being restricted financially. He did spend money in his later years , not much of it was on good players either , but he was operating in a market where the top players were simply out of his price range so he had to go for lesser players.
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I think this is partially true, but I also think Wenger was often guilty of trying to do just enough to win the league, and that ended up costing us. The problems started when Dein left the boardroom, because he pushed Arsene to strengthen the squad beyond what was "enough", and try and blow the opposition out of the water. To me Wenger often seemed to be trying to finesse the league by creating very good first teams but leaving a lot of room in his squads for young players to develop. This is fine if everyone stays fit and you don't have any major injuries, but it means if something does happen it can derail your season.
Our first team in 2007-08 were the best side in the league for the first 2/3 of the season and were going to prove Wenger's policy of focusing on the youngsters right. But then the freak injury to Eduardo and the lack of experience in the team meant they dropped points in five consecutive games and ended up 3rd, four points off winners Man Utd.
In the year that Leicester won the league we were poised to take control of the title race after Welbeck's header against them with 12 games to go - instead we saw our reliance on Giroud backfire as he went on a goal-scoring drought and we only won 5/12 in the run in.
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posted on 24/2/21
The biggest and most important stats would say otherwise though. The league table doesn't lie.
posted on 24/2/21
Sorry but when you look at that list of finishes, Arsenal fans don't half look a right bunch of s MOANING about finishing there every year
I feel our pain but it's sooo really not a good look
posted on 24/2/21
We’ve gone from a team that appeared in the CL, without competing in it for years, to being a team that can’t compete in it, because we don’t appear in it.
The only ones losing out are the owners.
You should be made up by that, WB2.
posted on 24/2/21
comment by Herbie (U7136)
posted 1 day, 2 hours ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A top 20 brand in world football (U11551)
posted 40 minutes ago
I forget already, who took over after Wenger?
I think comparisons are a bit silly, it was clear the mess was coming even before Wenger left and it was largely one he and the club created by failing to address real needs to the squad year on year and buying luxuries instead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Takes a Wolves fan to actually see there's nuance to this kind of thing and the rot that has set was brought about by and because of the Wenger regime. That said, Arteta is a mess.
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Nooo.
The "Wenger regime," is the one that revolutionised English football and delivered you your Invincibles, among other glories. As well as keeping your team one of the biggest and best in the PL when it had no financial business being there.
The regime responsible for "the rot" as you put it, well that would be the KROENKE regime. See that's the one that controlled the money. That's the one that when we had 200+ mil of the clubs own money in the bank that could be spanked on whoever Wenger wanted. Told Wenger he couldn't get whoever he wanted and had to just make do. So he could keep as much of the club cash in the club bank acc as possible. See it's worth more in his business portfolio if the cash stays in.
When we should have been buying Cavnani for 60, we got Ozil because he was "a bargain" at 45. When we should have bought VVD at 60, we got Mustafi becuase he was "a bargain for a PL cb" at 30. As Xhaka was "a bargain" potentially in MF, when we could genuinely afford to make an aggressive TM move for someone as good as Veratti. Remember just how Wenger transformed the AFC attack in the first place. This is not a man who has any problem with spending any amount on the right player WHEN LEFT FREE TO DO SO. So this is not a man who would have made the "Ozil (who I don't need) for 45 when I can buy Cavani for 60," decison by choice. Not unless you reckon he enjoyed losing anyway.
There's no better proof that the underlying problem is THE OWNER, than the acquisition of Partey. Absolute steal at modern market rates, desperately needed by AFC, willing to sign on day one of the window. Yet when did Kroenke finally give in on the money??? We're fecking lucky the other major teams are covered in that spot or we'd have lost him. Same as we lost every other top transfer we sniffed at. To clubs whose owners were willing to cough whatever fee it took! THAT'S our problem mate and it's going to hamstring every manager we get until Kroenke learns this isn't America. Here we give CLUBS money every season, as well as players.
posted on 25/2/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 17 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Herbie (U7136)
posted 1 day, 2 hours ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A top 20 brand in world football (U11551)
posted 40 minutes ago
I forget already, who took over after Wenger?
I think comparisons are a bit silly, it was clear the mess was coming even before Wenger left and it was largely one he and the club created by failing to address real needs to the squad year on year and buying luxuries instead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Takes a Wolves fan to actually see there's nuance to this kind of thing and the rot that has set was brought about by and because of the Wenger regime. That said, Arteta is a mess.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nooo.
The "Wenger regime," is the one that revolutionised English football and delivered you your Invincibles, among other glories. As well as keeping your team one of the biggest and best in the PL when it had no financial business being there.
The regime responsible for "the rot" as you put it, well that would be the KROENKE regime. See that's the one that controlled the money. That's the one that when we had 200+ mil of the clubs own money in the bank that could be spanked on whoever Wenger wanted. Told Wenger he couldn't get whoever he wanted and had to just make do. So he could keep as much of the club cash in the club bank acc as possible. See it's worth more in his business portfolio if the cash stays in.
When we should have been buying Cavnani for 60, we got Ozil because he was "a bargain" at 45. When we should have bought VVD at 60, we got Mustafi becuase he was "a bargain for a PL cb" at 30. As Xhaka was "a bargain" potentially in MF, when we could genuinely afford to make an aggressive TM move for someone as good as Veratti. Remember just how Wenger transformed the AFC attack in the first place. This is not a man who has any problem with spending any amount on the right player WHEN LEFT FREE TO DO SO. So this is not a man who would have made the "Ozil (who I don't need) for 45 when I can buy Cavani for 60," decison by choice. Not unless you reckon he enjoyed losing anyway.
There's no better proof that the underlying problem is THE OWNER, than the acquisition of Partey. Absolute steal at modern market rates, desperately needed by AFC, willing to sign on day one of the window. Yet when did Kroenke finally give in on the money??? We're fecking lucky the other major teams are covered in that spot or we'd have lost him. Same as we lost every other top transfer we sniffed at. To clubs whose owners were willing to cough whatever fee it took! THAT'S our problem mate and it's going to hamstring every manager we get until Kroenke learns this isn't America. Here we give CLUBS money every season, as well as players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Totally agree , the Kroenke's have restricted spending ever since they took over. It would have been interesting to see what Wenger could have done given the money. A lot of his later years were ruined by being restricted financially. He did spend money in his later years , not much of it was on good players either , but he was operating in a market where the top players were simply out of his price range so he had to go for lesser players.
posted on 25/2/21
He did spend money in his later years , not much of it was on good players either , but he was operating in a market where the top players were simply out of his price range so he had to go for lesser players.
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Could have got better value for money for the like of Xhaka, Mustafi, Laca, etc.. though.
posted on 25/2/21
comment by We've got our Arsenal back (U10012)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
He did spend money in his later years , not much of it was on good players either , but he was operating in a market where the top players were simply out of his price range so he had to go for lesser players.
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Could have got better value for money for the like of Xhaka, Mustafi, Laca, etc.. though.
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Mustafi was a world cup winner so should have been better player than he turned out to be.
posted on 25/2/21
comment by (U3265)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
---------------------------------------------------------------------Totally agree , the Kroenke's have restricted spending ever since they took over. It would have been interesting to see what Wenger could have done given the money. A lot of his later years were ruined by being restricted financially. He did spend money in his later years , not much of it was on good players either , but he was operating in a market where the top players were simply out of his price range so he had to go for lesser players.
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I think this is partially true, but I also think Wenger was often guilty of trying to do just enough to win the league, and that ended up costing us. The problems started when Dein left the boardroom, because he pushed Arsene to strengthen the squad beyond what was "enough", and try and blow the opposition out of the water. To me Wenger often seemed to be trying to finesse the league by creating very good first teams but leaving a lot of room in his squads for young players to develop. This is fine if everyone stays fit and you don't have any major injuries, but it means if something does happen it can derail your season.
Our first team in 2007-08 were the best side in the league for the first 2/3 of the season and were going to prove Wenger's policy of focusing on the youngsters right. But then the freak injury to Eduardo and the lack of experience in the team meant they dropped points in five consecutive games and ended up 3rd, four points off winners Man Utd.
In the year that Leicester won the league we were poised to take control of the title race after Welbeck's header against them with 12 games to go - instead we saw our reliance on Giroud backfire as he went on a goal-scoring drought and we only won 5/12 in the run in.
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