He’s been great last couple of games imo.

And nobodies passing can be worse than jorgino. The worst passing midfielder at passing that I’ve ever seen lol

“These two make football look easy on the eyes.“
Kovacic I whole heartedly agree with u, but jorgino recently we must be watching two different players.

OP did you actually see jorginho complete any sort of decent pass yesterday... Was over hitting most of them

We obviously need a genuine midfield playmaker to play next to kante...his best attribute is go fetch the ball and drop it and give it to a player that can do something with it
unfortunately we haven't got that midfield player at the moment fabregas was the last best option we had

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
We obviously need a genuine midfield playmaker to play next to kante...his best attribute is go fetch the ball and drop it and give it to a player that can do something with it
unfortunately we haven't got that midfield player at the moment fabregas was the last best option we had

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Billy?

Billy I’m hoping could be the answer but unfortunately has underperformed in his limited game time.

Kante is a player who breaks up play and is important in the first transition, but if you are playing possession football, he's not good enough technically IMO. Makelele wouldn't fit into the modern systems. These types of players are for coaches like Mourinho or Conte who sit deep and invite pressure. They need these players who are rigid, never lose the position and break up play allowing quick direct/long passes to the quicker players on the wings. Kante is great at what he does - one of the best - but he's not good enough for the football Sarri/Lampard tried to play and Tuchel is playing.

comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 16 minutes ago
Kante is a player who breaks up play and is important in the first transition, but if you are playing possession football, he's not good enough technically IMO. Makelele wouldn't fit into the modern systems. These types of players are for coaches like Mourinho or Conte who sit deep and invite pressure. They need these players who are rigid, never lose the position and break up play allowing quick direct/long passes to the quicker players on the wings. Kante is great at what he does - one of the best - but he's not good enough for the football Sarri/Lampard tried to play and Tuchel is playing.
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You know it!

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
OP did you actually see jorginho complete any sort of decent pass yesterday... Was over hitting most of them
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Players have bad days.
Are you going to draw your conclusions on him based on yesterday's game, while overlooking the previous ones he's been excellent with Kova?





Very typical!

@OP
TT says he does.

comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
We obviously need a genuine midfield playmaker to play next to kante...his best attribute is go fetch the ball and drop it and give it to a player that can do something with it
unfortunately we haven't got that midfield player at the moment fabregas was the last best option we had

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Billy?
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I'd like to be able to answer you...we haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to tell

Re the playmaking midfielder...If Havertz or Ziyech ever turn up, one of these might fit that bill

It's the familiar problem of Jorginho & Kante being two excellent players who don't belong in the same squad. The style of play that suits one will see the other have to inevitably compromise - for Sarri (and Tuchel) it was Kante, for Lampard it was Jorginho.

What I would say is if you have to pick both in the same team you'd wanna play to Jorginho's strengths (which Tuchel's doing) cos Kante can compromise MUCH better, he's not in the team atm cos Kovacic is playing out of his skin. Jorginho's a niche player, Kante's more of an all rounder.

I'm yet to spot what Jorginho's niche is...if i'm honest

Tackling is poor at times, passing is poor mostly, his penalties are dubious to troubling...never been convinced myself

Tacking's fine, just has a weakness getting spun by agile players when too tight. Passing's great, has better days than others but I'm happy with it. Penalties neither here nor there, scores most of them so w/e.

The niche aspect is being a great metronome playing out from the back. I don't get as nervous as other people when we do that cos shady as others can be around him I know he's got it under control. Becomes more problematic once the opposition is pinned back cos he can slow the pace a little too much sometimes, but that in itself enhances his nicheness - good player to have to take the sting out of a game if needed.

Jorgino is one of the poorest passers I’ve seen in football. I’ve defended him on here for a couple years now and actually like him and what he brings to the team, leadership, direction, moves the ball on quickly.
But his actual accuracy of passing is poor. Usually behind a player, bouncing and his long range passing is awful. Always overhit. Can do the odd good pass don’t get me wrong but it’s not his forte. He’s a recycler rather than a creator

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 6 minutes ago
Tacking's fine, just has a weakness getting spun by agile players when too tight. Passing's great, has better days than others but I'm happy with it. Penalties neither here nor there, scores most of them so w/e.

The niche aspect is being a great metronome playing out from the back. I don't get as nervous as other people when we do that cos shady as others can be around him I know he's got it under control. Becomes more problematic once the opposition is pinned back cos he can slow the pace a little too much sometimes, but that in itself enhances his nicheness - good player to have to take the sting out of a game if needed.
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Tacklings not fine,...too many yellows
Passings not great, too many don't make the target

Jorginho is a luxury in English football. He is a deep playmaker - but English football is too fast for these types of players. Put Jorginho at the base of the Barcelona midfield and you'd see a different player who would be afforded time to play four or five short passes and then pick a dangerous pass once spaces open. Players at the base of English midfields have to be stronger, more physical and are used to win possession more than start attacks - players like Jorginho can be overrun.

Remember when Sarri first used Jorginho and people gave him space, he made a gazillion passes each match and people were raving. Stick an opposition player near him, and he can't receive or move the ball.

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 6 minutes ago
Tacking's fine, just has a weakness getting spun by agile players when too tight. Passing's great, has better days than others but I'm happy with it. Penalties neither here nor there, scores most of them so w/e.

The niche aspect is being a great metronome playing out from the back. I don't get as nervous as other people when we do that cos shady as others can be around him I know he's got it under control. Becomes more problematic once the opposition is pinned back cos he can slow the pace a little too much sometimes, but that in itself enhances his nicheness - good player to have to take the sting out of a game if needed.
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Tacklings not fine,...too many yellows
Passings not great, too many don't make the target
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Tbf yellows will happen for a player in his position who's not the most agile, but yeah I see your point.

Passing in terms of the actual accuracy I'm not seeing it. Yesterday was a bit dodgy admittedly but on the whole he's fine. Very quick google search on his pass completion stats this season has it at 89% which is very good. Higher than 90% and you're entering Basquets level quality in a DM.

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comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 14 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 6 minutes ago
Tacking's fine, just has a weakness getting spun by agile players when too tight. Passing's great, has better days than others but I'm happy with it. Penalties neither here nor there, scores most of them so w/e.

The niche aspect is being a great metronome playing out from the back. I don't get as nervous as other people when we do that cos shady as others can be around him I know he's got it under control. Becomes more problematic once the opposition is pinned back cos he can slow the pace a little too much sometimes, but that in itself enhances his nicheness - good player to have to take the sting out of a game if needed.
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Tacklings not fine,...too many yellows
Passings not great, too many don't make the target
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Tbf yellows will happen for a player in his position who's not the most agile, but yeah I see your point.

Passing in terms of the actual accuracy I'm not seeing it. Yesterday was a bit dodgy admittedly but on the whole he's fine. Very quick google search on his pass completion stats this season has it at 89% which is very good. Higher than 90% and you're entering Basquets level quality in a DM.
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Tbf though lots of those a small 5 yard passes which do nothing. His long range passing is an issue imo

He could use more variety in his long range passing I agree, he's only really got that first time floaty one over the top lol, but that's never been who he is. If he had that he starts to become more than a niche player.

Any DM who's figures hit 90% or higher will average a very high number of "5 yard passes", beasts like Basquets included. Pirlo for example frequently averaged below 90% from DM but he did play those long range passes more so it balances out. For the type of player Jorginho is he'd be aiming for 90%, no more or less, so he's just below the perfect rate

As has been said, Jorghi is not best suited to the P/L,we know he makes the occasional great long pass,but not often enough for me,also he gets caught out defensively far too often.

To answer the ops question, of course Kante is suitable/desirable to TT's plans,as he would be to any sensible managers plans.

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