I just find so many things wrong with this article mate.
I'll start off by saying I agree with you on bellerin. I think Cedric deserves to start at RB, but I don't think we'll see much difference if/when he does really. Two similar level players.
Onto lacazette, who did nothing in his recent starts. No real link up play, didn't get into any goalscoring positions, no real threatening shots on goal. Couldn't get involved with the game at all in his substitute appearances. Auba at least gets into goalscoring positions. Ok, he had some terrible misses Vs Benfica but he more than made up for it tonight, no? It honestly astounds me that you're complaining auba started today when he got us the vital goals we needed. Yes, saka created them, but somebody has to be there to finish them off. 100% laca doesn't score those goals if he started instead.
ESR/odegaard - I find it hard to complain too much here. If auba is upfront we need to load the team behind him with creators. ESR is a young lad and needs to learn how to play on the wing too. It'll improve him to know how a winger needs to be serviced if he moves back into the central role. Don't think odegaard was too bad today, but I also wouldn't have minded if ESR started centrally.
Pepe/Martinelli - arteta explained already that these two are not very effective against deep lying defences. Hence why Willian came in and helped us win the game. I'm not a fan of his, but I can give credit where it is due.
I agree Pepe should be playing more on the left though.
I also agree his management of saliba was horrible. Nelson though? He's been struggling with injuries. No point giving him minutes if he isn't fit, and likely to make it worse. Martinelli too. Remember when he got injured in that warm up a few weeks ago, all by himself? He's managing his injuries right now, and I also think he's grooming him to be aubas successor.
Nketiah? He just isn't very good. Balogun is being a caant about his contract. Sign and then play. Yeah?
Saka? He is our main man now. I'm worried about his fatigue too, but this was a crucial last few games and he's been playing well. I hope his minutes will be managed over the next few games. Would have been lunacy to drop him.
Overall, we never played great against Benfica, but we gave goals set through stupid mistakes, which is hard for arteta to control. We had more than enough chances to bury this tie regardless though.
As for the drab displays - the squad just isn't geared to a certain style of play. There's some good individuals, but as a collective, it's hard to figure out a certain play style. There have been some small shoots of improvement over the last few weeks, which I personally have been encouraged by. However, I'm also aware it's up to the manager to figure this out. I would have found it extremely difficult to see how arteta could carry on had we lost tonight, even if it were due to stupid individual mistakes.
comment by Tu Meke - AinsleyForRightBack (U3732)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
I just find so many things wrong with this article mate.
I'll start off by saying I agree with you on bellerin. I think Cedric deserves to start at RB, but I don't think we'll see much difference if/when he does really. Two similar level players.
Onto lacazette, who did nothing in his recent starts. No real link up play, didn't get into any goalscoring positions, no real threatening shots on goal. Couldn't get involved with the game at all in his substitute appearances. Auba at least gets into goalscoring positions. Ok, he had some terrible misses Vs Benfica but he more than made up for it tonight, no? It honestly astounds me that you're complaining auba started today when he got us the vital goals we needed. Yes, saka created them, but somebody has to be there to finish them off. 100% laca doesn't score those goals if he started instead.
ESR/odegaard - I find it hard to complain too much here. If auba is upfront we need to load the team behind him with creators. ESR is a young lad and needs to learn how to play on the wing too. It'll improve him to know how a winger needs to be serviced if he moves back into the central role. Don't think odegaard was too bad today, but I also wouldn't have minded if ESR started centrally.
Pepe/Martinelli - arteta explained already that these two are not very effective against deep lying defences. Hence why Willian came in and helped us win the game. I'm not a fan of his, but I can give credit where it is due.
I agree Pepe should be playing more on the left though.
I also agree his management of saliba was horrible. Nelson though? He's been struggling with injuries. No point giving him minutes if he isn't fit, and likely to make it worse. Martinelli too. Remember when he got injured in that warm up a few weeks ago, all by himself? He's managing his injuries right now, and I also think he's grooming him to be aubas successor.
Nketiah? He just isn't very good. Balogun is being a caant about his contract. Sign and then play. Yeah?
Saka? He is our main man now. I'm worried about his fatigue too, but this was a crucial last few games and he's been playing well. I hope his minutes will be managed over the next few games. Would have been lunacy to drop him.
Overall, we never played great against Benfica, but we gave goals set through stupid mistakes, which is hard for arteta to control. We had more than enough chances to bury this tie regardless though.
As for the drab displays - the squad just isn't geared to a certain style of play. There's some good individuals, but as a collective, it's hard to figure out a certain play style. There have been some small shoots of improvement over the last few weeks, which I personally have been encouraged by. However, I'm also aware it's up to the manager to figure this out. I would have found it extremely difficult to see how arteta could carry on had we lost tonight, even if it were due to stupid individual mistakes.
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Really measured answer!
So I see your points and here is what I will add.
Bellerin vs Cedric...Cedric is miles better. Defensively even with his mistake vs Villa and certainly offensively. I get tired of seeing Bellerin screw up easy deliveries into the box or run up the wing only to stop and pass it back. So I would disagree on not seeing a difference.
Lacazette does infinitely more I feel when playing up top. I think our play flows better with him nd his interchanging with the front 3 is much better than Auba. If Auba does not score there is not much more you could say he does all game. For a deep lying defense, I would argue it is even more important to have a player a bit more unpredictable up top than Auba. But I will give you that when you have a goal scoring chance, I do want Auba at the end of it rather than Lacazette.
Pepe and Martinelli. I will say Arteta is spouting BS. If he truly thinks Martinelli and Pepe are not suited to a deep lying defence or a team playing a low block, why did these 2 not feature versus Leeds or more prominently vs City? Those are two teams who definitely don't play a low block. And even as subs, I dont believe that Willian offers anything against any type of defense that Pepe and Martinelli cant..and these two both come with more energy and defensive contributions. Martinelli has been fit for weeks yet even vs Leeds..Willian came on instead of him. I dont buy Arteta's words on the situation. Willian coming on today was not a strike of genius...it was the same crappie sub he has made for tens of games and it has worked out ONE time in what..20 attempts. That is not a strategy I would subscribe to and I refuse to give credit for pure luck coming from a very very bad substitution. Arteta could claim vi dication...but is it really vindication after all those numerous failures? And I don't think willian will somehow kick on from here and take the next 4 months by storm!
Reiss-Nelson..even when fit..did not play much.
Nketiah played a TON earlier this season and Balogun did not get a look in. The few cameos we had of Balogun, I would bet he turns out to be the better player over the course of their career by a long shot. I know people will point to Eddie's under 21 stats, but some players just cannot step up. I think Balogun will be a Gnabry situation...where we don't give a player a chance (Gabriel actually had decent wingers ahead of him) and they leave to have careers that make us think " wish they were still with us".
Arteta has been here 14 months. In that time, I dont recognize the style of play he wants. Do we press or sit back? Play on the front foot or counter mostly? Until recently, he did not know if he wanted a back 3 or back 4. At this stage, we should know what to expect in terms of style and philosophies regardless of the results. Klopp, Pep, Bielsa, Ancelloti, Rodgers...you know how each of their teams will play most of the time. Even with Mourinho...he has a brand. Arteta does not which makes me worry that even if you change the players...there is no indication that the football will get better!
Again..great conversation. I want Arsenal to do well. I even want Arteta proving me wrong!
Tbh Aubameyang apart from the stinker against City has done well recently. Yes he missed them chances in the first leg but at least we were creating chances for him to miss. Earlier in the season he was barely getting a chance but we seem to be creating more since the Chelsea game.
Team should be when fit.
Leno
Cedric Holding Luiz/Gabriel Tierney
Xhaka Partey
Saka ESR Pepe
Aubameyang
Team seems less effective since Arteta shifted ESR on the left accommodate Odergard. How about you just rotate them 2 instead of trying to fit them both into the team.
Pepe was doing really well on the the left. Gets dropped and then has the pleasure of playing against City when everyone knew we'd hardly do anything.
I would look to replace Arteta in the summer .11 defeats is unacceptable.
I am open to changing my mind if we go the rest of the season unbeaten and win the majority of our remaining games.
I doubt this will happen because every step we take forward we seem to take two back. Very difficult to predict this Arsenal side who have an endless array of balls ups to display.
Lacazette is leaving this summer. He’s been average at best for so long now, few will miss him when he’s gone. Pepe played well for a few games, but he was hardly brilliant enough to now have people complaining about him being benched.
Odegaard hardly played this season, so will need time to get up to speed - which he would’ve needed anyway, coming to a new league mid season. He’s here to add creativity as well as take some responsibility off of ESR - which he’s doing. I’m struggling to understand the negativity towards him tbh.
The problem with Arteta’s subs are he often leaves them too late to affect games, and they’re usually too conservative - yesterday he was a bit more creative with them though.
Willian, I just don’t like the player. Bellerin needs benching, but let’s not pretend Cedric is some wonderful replacement Arteta isn’t giving a chance to.
As for Saliba, Arteta is the least to blame over what happened. The player confirmed the manager made his mind up early on about him, meaning there was a full month left to sort out a loan. Why didn’t his agent make sure it happened? An agent is meant to ensure their client and their career is taken care of. Didn’t exactly earn his money last summer, did he. And what about the player. Was he not concerned no loan seemed in the offing as TDD approached? And Edu. What was he doing?
But yeah. ‘Arteta to blame’. Sheep mentality, mate.
And it’s boring now.
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
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Exactly. This campaign to fire Arteta is completely out of order in my opinion. It comes in part from attention seekers and self-promoters on social media trying to prove how good an Arsenal fan they are and how passionate they are. I'm sorry but demanding instant success does not make you a good fan. It makes you a glory supporter, who picked the wrong team. If you want to support a side that will throw endless amounts of money at new players and new managers until something sticks you know where to go. That is not what Arsenal are about, and it isn't likely to be what we are about in the near future no matter what the loudmouths online think.
I don't want to attack the OP here, but how are articles calling for Arteta to be fired appearing after we won a difficult European tie?! It speaks of an agenda that goes beyond how we are performing on the pitch.
Why did Auba start? To score 2 goals to get us through.
What did Pepe do to not get any game time for 3 games straight now? Nothing, he started on Sunday.
Gave up after this, clearly you have no idea.
Dan’s a bit stupid isn’t he? But anyway I’ll have a nibble:
1. Chelsea finished 4th last season with a squad that cost less to assemble than the squad Arteta currently has sat in 11th place, so the “100s of millions” excuse doesn’t really wash. How much have Leeds spent to be above you
2. Chelsea have sacked one more manager than Arsenal have since Wenger left, and let’s be honest the only reason Arteta’s still there is your club is too cheap and lacking in ambition to pay the compensation required to get rid of him.
They would rather sack 50 odd people who are most likely struggling during a pandemic so they can sign our leftovers and give them £100k a week.
Imagine an Arsenal fan trying to sit on a high horse, laughable.
comment by Kaiser Havertz (U5245)
posted 2 minutes ago
Dan’s a bit stupid isn’t he? But anyway I’ll have a nibble:
1. Chelsea finished 4th last season with a squad that cost less to assemble than the squad Arteta currently has sat in 11th place, so the “100s of millions” excuse doesn’t really wash. How much have Leeds spent to be above you
2. Chelsea have sacked one more manager than Arsenal have since Wenger left, and let’s be honest the only reason Arteta’s still there is your club is too cheap and lacking in ambition to pay the compensation required to get rid of him.
They would rather sack 50 odd people who are most likely struggling during a pandemic so they can sign our leftovers and give them £100k a week.
Imagine an Arsenal fan trying to sit on a high horse, laughable.
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Aww bless. You have carefully chosen a very small sample size of 2 years to prove your rather weak point that Arsenal spend more than Chelsea. In reality Arsenal don't and you know it. One of the key reasons you spent less than us recently is because you had a transfer ban from UEFA so couldn't buy anyone.
As for the sacking Managers since Wenger left, again you have based this on the last 2-3 years. Whereas historically Arsenal tend to stick by their Managers, Terry Neil 6 years, George Graham 9 years, Wenger 22 years etc. You boys have probably had 20 Managers in the same 40 year period.
You wouldn't understand how clubs have to 'be cheap' as you are owned by someone who throws money at your club to buy success. Arsenal, Spurs and Man U are self sustaining and can't just buy ourselves out of trouble. When we win something it is because we have earnt it - when you lot do it is because you have bought it.
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
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Exactly. This campaign to fire Arteta is completely out of order in my opinion. It comes in part from attention seekers and self-promoters on social media trying to prove how good an Arsenal fan they are and how passionate they are. I'm sorry but demanding instant success does not make you a good fan. It makes you a glory supporter, who picked the wrong team. If you want to support a side that will throw endless amounts of money at new players and new managers until something sticks you know where to go. That is not what Arsenal are about, and it isn't likely to be what we are about in the near future no matter what the loudmouths online think.
I don't want to attack the OP here, but how are articles calling for Arteta to be fired appearing after we won a difficult European tie?! It speaks of an agenda that goes beyond how we are performing on the pitch.
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This
It’s somewhat on the owners and board to make Arteta a success as well as Arteta himself. Any manager who we’d have got would have wanted time to bring players in and shift the average players out. If we’d have for a different manager, maybe we’d be sitting in 6th now, but I don’t see the squad we have is good enough to get much higher than 6th, especially how unbalanced and disjointed it was. At 6th we’d still have fans complaining it’s not good enough at this Stage. Because our owners won’t Chuck a fortune in one go to sort the mess out, it will take time to turn our squad into something more functional and competitive, we’d still have to allow any manager some time to bring in the players he wants. My worry with sacking Arteta is we just end up back at the start of the cycle again
If the club have this vision they talk about, and still believe we’re on the right course to improve and be competitive over next 1/2 seasons and will back it up with action in then they have to stick with him. Knee jerking too much and it risks setting us back again. Obviously they need to have a tipping point with Arteta, but our club being back where it should be will take more than just hiring different managers. Arteta has his faults for sure, but so does our squad, and so does things on recruitment side, those need to marry up well for any manager to be a long term success
I think the Europa will be difficult to win as Man U would probably do us over 2 legs. The Prem and top 4 is done so really this season should be used to blend in Arteta's tactics, build a settled side and give game time to the likes of Saka, ESR, Tierney and Martinelli whod could be the core of the club for years to come.
In my view, Arteta needs to starts playing Martinelli in the Prem otherwise it's pretty much a lost season for him and he would be starting from scratch again next season. He could be the future so play him or at least get him involved as a sub.
I'm hoping we strengthen in the Summer and perhaps get rid of the likes of Willian, Eddie, maybe even Laca, Xhaka, Pepe and Bellerin. Only then will we see if Arteta is good enough to lead us.
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 57 minutes ago
I think the Europa will be difficult to win as Man U would probably do us over 2 legs. The Prem and top 4 is done so really this season should be used to blend in Arteta's tactics, build a settled side and give game time to the likes of Saka, ESR, Tierney and Martinelli whod could be the core of the club for years to come.
In my view, Arteta needs to starts playing Martinelli in the Prem otherwise it's pretty much a lost season for him and he would be starting from scratch again next season. He could be the future so play him or at least get him involved as a sub.
I'm hoping we strengthen in the Summer and perhaps get rid of the likes of Willian, Eddie, maybe even Laca, Xhaka, Pepe and Bellerin. Only then will we see if Arteta is good enough to lead us.
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we've already beaten beaten man utd over '2 legs' in the league no reason we cant do it again
comment by Lexington 125.2 - Give Reiss A Chance (U8879)
posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
Lacazette is leaving this summer. He’s been average at best for so long now, few will miss him when he’s gone. Pepe played well for a few games, but he was hardly brilliant enough to now have people complaining about him being benched.
Odegaard hardly played this season, so will need time to get up to speed - which he would’ve needed anyway, coming to a new league mid season. He’s here to add creativity as well as take some responsibility off of ESR - which he’s doing. I’m struggling to understand the negativity towards him tbh.
The problem with Arteta’s subs are he often leaves them too late to affect games, and they’re usually too conservative - yesterday he was a bit more creative with them though.
Willian, I just don’t like the player. Bellerin needs benching, but let’s not pretend Cedric is some wonderful replacement Arteta isn’t giving a chance to.
As for Saliba, Arteta is the least to blame over what happened. The player confirmed the manager made his mind up early on about him, meaning there was a full month left to sort out a loan. Why didn’t his agent make sure it happened? An agent is meant to ensure their client and their career is taken care of. Didn’t exactly earn his money last summer, did he. And what about the player. Was he not concerned no loan seemed in the offing as TDD approached? And Edu. What was he doing?
But yeah. ‘Arteta to blame’. Sheep mentality, mate.
And it’s boring now.
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How do you make up your mind in a couple of performances? Especially if that player has not playedfor 6 months? Form is temporary right? Or...if we go your way, why is Willian being given 30 games to prove himself regardless of how bad he plays? Saliba not playing even league cup or europa league is bad man management regardless how you cut it, mate.
Nah, he has taken over at a club in crisis. Won a pot and papered over the cracks.
On limited budget he will bring through/develop a great side.
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
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Exactly. This campaign to fire Arteta is completely out of order in my opinion. It comes in part from attention seekers and self-promoters on social media trying to prove how good an Arsenal fan they are and how passionate they are. I'm sorry but demanding instant success does not make you a good fan. It makes you a glory supporter, who picked the wrong team. If you want to support a side that will throw endless amounts of money at new players and new managers until something sticks you know where to go. That is not what Arsenal are about, and it isn't likely to be what we are about in the near future no matter what the loudmouths online think.
I don't want to attack the OP here, but how are articles calling for Arteta to be fired appearing after we won a difficult European tie?! It speaks of an agenda that goes beyond how we are performing on the pitch.
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I get your point but here is what I see. Benfica were poooooor. Ask yourself how many saves Leno had to make last night. But we were laboured. I am not being knee-jerk in my reaction...it's a culmination of poor lineup choices, sub choices and bad displays. And we cannot continue to blame Wenger...for the most part, the squad is as he wants it. The players from Wenger's era are players I'd keep and the others are players he brought in and players he convinced to stay (xhaka and Bellerin). This is the same manager who offered MUSTAFI a new contract. So no...not an agenda...just voicing my opinion based on 14 months of decisions.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
Why did Auba start? To score 2 goals to get us through.
What did Pepe do to not get any game time for 3 games straight now? Nothing, he started on Sunday.
Gave up after this, clearly you have no idea.
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Makes 2 of us then considering the nonsense you spout on here more often than not aye?
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wHy DiD aUbA sTaRt??? To score two goals to put us through DUUUUUUUUUURRRRRR
DUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
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Exactly. This campaign to fire Arteta is completely out of order in my opinion. It comes in part from attention seekers and self-promoters on social media trying to prove how good an Arsenal fan they are and how passionate they are. I'm sorry but demanding instant success does not make you a good fan. It makes you a glory supporter, who picked the wrong team. If you want to support a side that will throw endless amounts of money at new players and new managers until something sticks you know where to go. That is not what Arsenal are about, and it isn't likely to be what we are about in the near future no matter what the loudmouths online think.
I don't want to attack the OP here, but how are articles calling for Arteta to be fired appearing after we won a difficult European tie?! It speaks of an agenda that goes beyond how we are performing on the pitch.
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I get your point but here is what I see. Benfica were poooooor. Ask yourself how many saves Leno had to make last night. But we were laboured. I am not being knee-jerk in my reaction...it's a culmination of poor lineup choices, sub choices and bad displays. And we cannot continue to blame Wenger...for the most part, the squad is as he wants it. The players from Wenger's era are players I'd keep and the others are players he brought in and players he convinced to stay (xhaka and Bellerin). This is the same manager who offered MUSTAFI a new contract. So no...not an agenda...just voicing my opinion based on 14 months of decisions.
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Oh I completely agree that we made a meal out of a tie that based on our overall performance level and the number of chances we created we should have comfortably won. But I don't think that is something that any manager can fully control. Every team has poor performances, and in all of our trophy-winning runs there are elements of luck and squeek-ed out results along the way. Beating Wigan in extra time in FA cup semi-final when their keeper let a Sanchez shot dribble through his hands springs to mind.
Did the way Arteta set out the team lead to the mistakes we made? I don't think so, the freekick they scored was a great goal, and their second was a shocker of a mistake from Ceballos which you can't plan for. The real issue in this tie was the three gilt-edged chances Auba missed in the first leg to put us in command of the tie. We played well enough in the first leg to put it to bed and didn't take our chances. To be fair to Auba he was very clinical in the game last night and was inches away from a hat-trick.
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posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
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Exactly. This campaign to fire Arteta is completely out of order in my opinion. It comes in part from attention seekers and self-promoters on social media trying to prove how good an Arsenal fan they are and how passionate they are. I'm sorry but demanding instant success does not make you a good fan. It makes you a glory supporter, who picked the wrong team. If you want to support a side that will throw endless amounts of money at new players and new managers until something sticks you know where to go. That is not what Arsenal are about, and it isn't likely to be what we are about in the near future no matter what the loudmouths online think.
I don't want to attack the OP here, but how are articles calling for Arteta to be fired appearing after we won a difficult European tie?! It speaks of an agenda that goes beyond how we are performing on the pitch.
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I get your point but here is what I see. Benfica were poooooor. Ask yourself how many saves Leno had to make last night. But we were laboured. I am not being knee-jerk in my reaction...it's a culmination of poor lineup choices, sub choices and bad displays. And we cannot continue to blame Wenger...for the most part, the squad is as he wants it. The players from Wenger's era are players I'd keep and the others are players he brought in and players he convinced to stay (xhaka and Bellerin). This is the same manager who offered MUSTAFI a new contract. So no...not an agenda...just voicing my opinion based on 14 months of decisions.
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Oh I completely agree that we made a meal out of a tie that based on our overall performance level and the number of chances we created we should have comfortably won. But I don't think that is something that any manager can fully control. Every team has poor performances, and in all of our trophy-winning runs there are elements of luck and squeek-ed out results along the way. Beating Wigan in extra time in FA cup semi-final when their keeper let a Sanchez shot dribble through his hands springs to mind.
Did the way Arteta set out the team lead to the mistakes we made? I don't think so, the freekick they scored was a great goal, and their second was a shocker of a mistake from Ceballos which you can't plan for. The real issue in this tie was the three gilt-edged chances Auba missed in the first leg to put us in command of the tie. We played well enough in the first leg to put it to bed and didn't take our chances. To be fair to Auba he was very clinical in the game last night and was inches away from a hat-trick.
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I dont think ANYONE can blame Arteta for the individual player mistakes. It's either our players are that dodgey or we have the worst luck when it comes to brain farts. I know Luiz and Xhaka have a mistake in them every few games and Mustafi could as well...but it seems to be spreading haha.
I think what I am trying to say is that I would be fine with losing and mistakes if there was a consistent pattern of play and direction. That is what bothers me most. It seems like after 14 months, Arteta still does not know how he wants the team to play and thus coach them to play that way regardless of the performance. For example...I was "Emery in" until his second season. Not so much due to the results ( horrible run at the end and that cup final) but due to the decisions...playing torreira at #10, the lack of defensive shape and he looked clueless too on the sideline in terms of how to fix it. But with other coaches you can see what they re trying to do..even if it does not come off and that is what I want. That and playing the right 11 and subs.
I have to agree with every point which the OP has made. Arteta needs to be replaced in the summer. He simply is not good enough in too many areas and I can’t see much improvement if any from last year.
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 8 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 - Give Reiss A Chance (U8879)
posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
Lacazette is leaving this summer. He’s been average at best for so long now, few will miss him when he’s gone. Pepe played well for a few games, but he was hardly brilliant enough to now have people complaining about him being benched.
Odegaard hardly played this season, so will need time to get up to speed - which he would’ve needed anyway, coming to a new league mid season. He’s here to add creativity as well as take some responsibility off of ESR - which he’s doing. I’m struggling to understand the negativity towards him tbh.
The problem with Arteta’s subs are he often leaves them too late to affect games, and they’re usually too conservative - yesterday he was a bit more creative with them though.
Willian, I just don’t like the player. Bellerin needs benching, but let’s not pretend Cedric is some wonderful replacement Arteta isn’t giving a chance to.
As for Saliba, Arteta is the least to blame over what happened. The player confirmed the manager made his mind up early on about him, meaning there was a full month left to sort out a loan. Why didn’t his agent make sure it happened? An agent is meant to ensure their client and their career is taken care of. Didn’t exactly earn his money last summer, did he. And what about the player. Was he not concerned no loan seemed in the offing as TDD approached? And Edu. What was he doing?
But yeah. ‘Arteta to blame’. Sheep mentality, mate.
And it’s boring now.
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How do you make up your mind in a couple of performances? Especially if that player has not playedfor 6 months? Form is temporary right? Or...if we go your way, why is Willian being given 30 games to prove himself regardless of how bad he plays? Saliba not playing even league cup or europa league is bad man management regardless how you cut it, mate.
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Zech Medley also didn’t play Europa League or Cup matches. Bad Man management, or a manager protecting a young player he doesn’t think is ready for the first team yet?
It’s one to ponder, for sure.
I wish I could answer your other points. I might even agree with you. Just that, even having read it through a couple of times, I haven’t a clue wtf your actually point is.
Sorry.
Mikel Arteta may well make a great defensive coach but he is an absolute mess of a manager. We/he got lucky last night. Happy we won but part of me sees it as unlucky for AFC in the long term. Losing would have almost certainly mean a couple of dodgy league results would see him sacked and a proper manager brought in for next season, as ke'd have no choice but to pay for someone established. The specific combination of flaws in Arteta, mean he's not going to make it to the title of "Good/Great manager," in any time scale acceptable to our needs as one of the biggest, most prestigious clubs in English football.
Lacking tactically, useless at identifying individual player strengths/weaknesses, ridiculously stubborn, equally rude to and dismissive of his players and their wishes. Also disrespectful of their contributions to the club (in some cases for longer than his post playing career). And all of that comes rolled up in a big ball of totally inexperienced arrogance. He's clearly got no intention of changing any of these traits about himself. So basically he himself is always doomed to shoot himself in the foot. Either by making the wrong choices for the team or by alienating players that much nobody wants to play for him. He is "set in" his own already very wrong ways. Things won't improve next season, they will get worse.
All that said though calling for him to be sacked whilst we're still in EL is pointless (could be pointless anyway). ke has got himself an "accept the penny pinch" biyatch. If he wanted a real manager then he'd have agreed to Ancelotti's spending requirements to get one. ALL our owner cares about is keeping as much cash in the bank as possible for as much time as possible. Arteta will accept being fecked about for a measley 40 mil to get a player as good as Partey, where no established, decent manager will swallow that sh!t. So as far as ke is concerned it's Arteta in for as long as he can get away with keeping him in the job. We're FECKED and anything we win for the next 2-3 seasons will be won in spite of Arteta, not because of him.
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posted on 26/2/21
I just find so many things wrong with this article mate.
I'll start off by saying I agree with you on bellerin. I think Cedric deserves to start at RB, but I don't think we'll see much difference if/when he does really. Two similar level players.
Onto lacazette, who did nothing in his recent starts. No real link up play, didn't get into any goalscoring positions, no real threatening shots on goal. Couldn't get involved with the game at all in his substitute appearances. Auba at least gets into goalscoring positions. Ok, he had some terrible misses Vs Benfica but he more than made up for it tonight, no? It honestly astounds me that you're complaining auba started today when he got us the vital goals we needed. Yes, saka created them, but somebody has to be there to finish them off. 100% laca doesn't score those goals if he started instead.
ESR/odegaard - I find it hard to complain too much here. If auba is upfront we need to load the team behind him with creators. ESR is a young lad and needs to learn how to play on the wing too. It'll improve him to know how a winger needs to be serviced if he moves back into the central role. Don't think odegaard was too bad today, but I also wouldn't have minded if ESR started centrally.
Pepe/Martinelli - arteta explained already that these two are not very effective against deep lying defences. Hence why Willian came in and helped us win the game. I'm not a fan of his, but I can give credit where it is due.
I agree Pepe should be playing more on the left though.
I also agree his management of saliba was horrible. Nelson though? He's been struggling with injuries. No point giving him minutes if he isn't fit, and likely to make it worse. Martinelli too. Remember when he got injured in that warm up a few weeks ago, all by himself? He's managing his injuries right now, and I also think he's grooming him to be aubas successor.
Nketiah? He just isn't very good. Balogun is being a caant about his contract. Sign and then play. Yeah?
Saka? He is our main man now. I'm worried about his fatigue too, but this was a crucial last few games and he's been playing well. I hope his minutes will be managed over the next few games. Would have been lunacy to drop him.
Overall, we never played great against Benfica, but we gave goals set through stupid mistakes, which is hard for arteta to control. We had more than enough chances to bury this tie regardless though.
As for the drab displays - the squad just isn't geared to a certain style of play. There's some good individuals, but as a collective, it's hard to figure out a certain play style. There have been some small shoots of improvement over the last few weeks, which I personally have been encouraged by. However, I'm also aware it's up to the manager to figure this out. I would have found it extremely difficult to see how arteta could carry on had we lost tonight, even if it were due to stupid individual mistakes.
posted on 26/2/21
comment by Tu Meke - AinsleyForRightBack (U3732)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
I just find so many things wrong with this article mate.
I'll start off by saying I agree with you on bellerin. I think Cedric deserves to start at RB, but I don't think we'll see much difference if/when he does really. Two similar level players.
Onto lacazette, who did nothing in his recent starts. No real link up play, didn't get into any goalscoring positions, no real threatening shots on goal. Couldn't get involved with the game at all in his substitute appearances. Auba at least gets into goalscoring positions. Ok, he had some terrible misses Vs Benfica but he more than made up for it tonight, no? It honestly astounds me that you're complaining auba started today when he got us the vital goals we needed. Yes, saka created them, but somebody has to be there to finish them off. 100% laca doesn't score those goals if he started instead.
ESR/odegaard - I find it hard to complain too much here. If auba is upfront we need to load the team behind him with creators. ESR is a young lad and needs to learn how to play on the wing too. It'll improve him to know how a winger needs to be serviced if he moves back into the central role. Don't think odegaard was too bad today, but I also wouldn't have minded if ESR started centrally.
Pepe/Martinelli - arteta explained already that these two are not very effective against deep lying defences. Hence why Willian came in and helped us win the game. I'm not a fan of his, but I can give credit where it is due.
I agree Pepe should be playing more on the left though.
I also agree his management of saliba was horrible. Nelson though? He's been struggling with injuries. No point giving him minutes if he isn't fit, and likely to make it worse. Martinelli too. Remember when he got injured in that warm up a few weeks ago, all by himself? He's managing his injuries right now, and I also think he's grooming him to be aubas successor.
Nketiah? He just isn't very good. Balogun is being a caant about his contract. Sign and then play. Yeah?
Saka? He is our main man now. I'm worried about his fatigue too, but this was a crucial last few games and he's been playing well. I hope his minutes will be managed over the next few games. Would have been lunacy to drop him.
Overall, we never played great against Benfica, but we gave goals set through stupid mistakes, which is hard for arteta to control. We had more than enough chances to bury this tie regardless though.
As for the drab displays - the squad just isn't geared to a certain style of play. There's some good individuals, but as a collective, it's hard to figure out a certain play style. There have been some small shoots of improvement over the last few weeks, which I personally have been encouraged by. However, I'm also aware it's up to the manager to figure this out. I would have found it extremely difficult to see how arteta could carry on had we lost tonight, even if it were due to stupid individual mistakes.
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Really measured answer!
So I see your points and here is what I will add.
Bellerin vs Cedric...Cedric is miles better. Defensively even with his mistake vs Villa and certainly offensively. I get tired of seeing Bellerin screw up easy deliveries into the box or run up the wing only to stop and pass it back. So I would disagree on not seeing a difference.
Lacazette does infinitely more I feel when playing up top. I think our play flows better with him nd his interchanging with the front 3 is much better than Auba. If Auba does not score there is not much more you could say he does all game. For a deep lying defense, I would argue it is even more important to have a player a bit more unpredictable up top than Auba. But I will give you that when you have a goal scoring chance, I do want Auba at the end of it rather than Lacazette.
Pepe and Martinelli. I will say Arteta is spouting BS. If he truly thinks Martinelli and Pepe are not suited to a deep lying defence or a team playing a low block, why did these 2 not feature versus Leeds or more prominently vs City? Those are two teams who definitely don't play a low block. And even as subs, I dont believe that Willian offers anything against any type of defense that Pepe and Martinelli cant..and these two both come with more energy and defensive contributions. Martinelli has been fit for weeks yet even vs Leeds..Willian came on instead of him. I dont buy Arteta's words on the situation. Willian coming on today was not a strike of genius...it was the same crappie sub he has made for tens of games and it has worked out ONE time in what..20 attempts. That is not a strategy I would subscribe to and I refuse to give credit for pure luck coming from a very very bad substitution. Arteta could claim vi dication...but is it really vindication after all those numerous failures? And I don't think willian will somehow kick on from here and take the next 4 months by storm!
Reiss-Nelson..even when fit..did not play much.
Nketiah played a TON earlier this season and Balogun did not get a look in. The few cameos we had of Balogun, I would bet he turns out to be the better player over the course of their career by a long shot. I know people will point to Eddie's under 21 stats, but some players just cannot step up. I think Balogun will be a Gnabry situation...where we don't give a player a chance (Gabriel actually had decent wingers ahead of him) and they leave to have careers that make us think " wish they were still with us".
Arteta has been here 14 months. In that time, I dont recognize the style of play he wants. Do we press or sit back? Play on the front foot or counter mostly? Until recently, he did not know if he wanted a back 3 or back 4. At this stage, we should know what to expect in terms of style and philosophies regardless of the results. Klopp, Pep, Bielsa, Ancelloti, Rodgers...you know how each of their teams will play most of the time. Even with Mourinho...he has a brand. Arteta does not which makes me worry that even if you change the players...there is no indication that the football will get better!
Again..great conversation. I want Arsenal to do well. I even want Arteta proving me wrong!
posted on 26/2/21
Tbh Aubameyang apart from the stinker against City has done well recently. Yes he missed them chances in the first leg but at least we were creating chances for him to miss. Earlier in the season he was barely getting a chance but we seem to be creating more since the Chelsea game.
Team should be when fit.
Leno
Cedric Holding Luiz/Gabriel Tierney
Xhaka Partey
Saka ESR Pepe
Aubameyang
Team seems less effective since Arteta shifted ESR on the left accommodate Odergard. How about you just rotate them 2 instead of trying to fit them both into the team.
Pepe was doing really well on the the left. Gets dropped and then has the pleasure of playing against City when everyone knew we'd hardly do anything.
posted on 26/2/21
I would look to replace Arteta in the summer .11 defeats is unacceptable.
I am open to changing my mind if we go the rest of the season unbeaten and win the majority of our remaining games.
I doubt this will happen because every step we take forward we seem to take two back. Very difficult to predict this Arsenal side who have an endless array of balls ups to display.
posted on 26/2/21
Lacazette is leaving this summer. He’s been average at best for so long now, few will miss him when he’s gone. Pepe played well for a few games, but he was hardly brilliant enough to now have people complaining about him being benched.
Odegaard hardly played this season, so will need time to get up to speed - which he would’ve needed anyway, coming to a new league mid season. He’s here to add creativity as well as take some responsibility off of ESR - which he’s doing. I’m struggling to understand the negativity towards him tbh.
The problem with Arteta’s subs are he often leaves them too late to affect games, and they’re usually too conservative - yesterday he was a bit more creative with them though.
Willian, I just don’t like the player. Bellerin needs benching, but let’s not pretend Cedric is some wonderful replacement Arteta isn’t giving a chance to.
As for Saliba, Arteta is the least to blame over what happened. The player confirmed the manager made his mind up early on about him, meaning there was a full month left to sort out a loan. Why didn’t his agent make sure it happened? An agent is meant to ensure their client and their career is taken care of. Didn’t exactly earn his money last summer, did he. And what about the player. Was he not concerned no loan seemed in the offing as TDD approached? And Edu. What was he doing?
But yeah. ‘Arteta to blame’. Sheep mentality, mate.
And it’s boring now.
posted on 26/2/21
Must be a parody article
posted on 26/2/21
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
posted on 26/2/21
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
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Exactly. This campaign to fire Arteta is completely out of order in my opinion. It comes in part from attention seekers and self-promoters on social media trying to prove how good an Arsenal fan they are and how passionate they are. I'm sorry but demanding instant success does not make you a good fan. It makes you a glory supporter, who picked the wrong team. If you want to support a side that will throw endless amounts of money at new players and new managers until something sticks you know where to go. That is not what Arsenal are about, and it isn't likely to be what we are about in the near future no matter what the loudmouths online think.
I don't want to attack the OP here, but how are articles calling for Arteta to be fired appearing after we won a difficult European tie?! It speaks of an agenda that goes beyond how we are performing on the pitch.
posted on 26/2/21
Why did Auba start? To score 2 goals to get us through.
What did Pepe do to not get any game time for 3 games straight now? Nothing, he started on Sunday.
Gave up after this, clearly you have no idea.
posted on 26/2/21
Dan’s a bit stupid isn’t he? But anyway I’ll have a nibble:
1. Chelsea finished 4th last season with a squad that cost less to assemble than the squad Arteta currently has sat in 11th place, so the “100s of millions” excuse doesn’t really wash. How much have Leeds spent to be above you
2. Chelsea have sacked one more manager than Arsenal have since Wenger left, and let’s be honest the only reason Arteta’s still there is your club is too cheap and lacking in ambition to pay the compensation required to get rid of him.
They would rather sack 50 odd people who are most likely struggling during a pandemic so they can sign our leftovers and give them £100k a week.
Imagine an Arsenal fan trying to sit on a high horse, laughable.
posted on 26/2/21
comment by Kaiser Havertz (U5245)
posted 2 minutes ago
Dan’s a bit stupid isn’t he? But anyway I’ll have a nibble:
1. Chelsea finished 4th last season with a squad that cost less to assemble than the squad Arteta currently has sat in 11th place, so the “100s of millions” excuse doesn’t really wash. How much have Leeds spent to be above you
2. Chelsea have sacked one more manager than Arsenal have since Wenger left, and let’s be honest the only reason Arteta’s still there is your club is too cheap and lacking in ambition to pay the compensation required to get rid of him.
They would rather sack 50 odd people who are most likely struggling during a pandemic so they can sign our leftovers and give them £100k a week.
Imagine an Arsenal fan trying to sit on a high horse, laughable.
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Aww bless. You have carefully chosen a very small sample size of 2 years to prove your rather weak point that Arsenal spend more than Chelsea. In reality Arsenal don't and you know it. One of the key reasons you spent less than us recently is because you had a transfer ban from UEFA so couldn't buy anyone.
As for the sacking Managers since Wenger left, again you have based this on the last 2-3 years. Whereas historically Arsenal tend to stick by their Managers, Terry Neil 6 years, George Graham 9 years, Wenger 22 years etc. You boys have probably had 20 Managers in the same 40 year period.
You wouldn't understand how clubs have to 'be cheap' as you are owned by someone who throws money at your club to buy success. Arsenal, Spurs and Man U are self sustaining and can't just buy ourselves out of trouble. When we win something it is because we have earnt it - when you lot do it is because you have bought it.
posted on 26/2/21
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
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Exactly. This campaign to fire Arteta is completely out of order in my opinion. It comes in part from attention seekers and self-promoters on social media trying to prove how good an Arsenal fan they are and how passionate they are. I'm sorry but demanding instant success does not make you a good fan. It makes you a glory supporter, who picked the wrong team. If you want to support a side that will throw endless amounts of money at new players and new managers until something sticks you know where to go. That is not what Arsenal are about, and it isn't likely to be what we are about in the near future no matter what the loudmouths online think.
I don't want to attack the OP here, but how are articles calling for Arteta to be fired appearing after we won a difficult European tie?! It speaks of an agenda that goes beyond how we are performing on the pitch.
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This
posted on 26/2/21
It’s somewhat on the owners and board to make Arteta a success as well as Arteta himself. Any manager who we’d have got would have wanted time to bring players in and shift the average players out. If we’d have for a different manager, maybe we’d be sitting in 6th now, but I don’t see the squad we have is good enough to get much higher than 6th, especially how unbalanced and disjointed it was. At 6th we’d still have fans complaining it’s not good enough at this Stage. Because our owners won’t Chuck a fortune in one go to sort the mess out, it will take time to turn our squad into something more functional and competitive, we’d still have to allow any manager some time to bring in the players he wants. My worry with sacking Arteta is we just end up back at the start of the cycle again
If the club have this vision they talk about, and still believe we’re on the right course to improve and be competitive over next 1/2 seasons and will back it up with action in then they have to stick with him. Knee jerking too much and it risks setting us back again. Obviously they need to have a tipping point with Arteta, but our club being back where it should be will take more than just hiring different managers. Arteta has his faults for sure, but so does our squad, and so does things on recruitment side, those need to marry up well for any manager to be a long term success
posted on 26/2/21
I think the Europa will be difficult to win as Man U would probably do us over 2 legs. The Prem and top 4 is done so really this season should be used to blend in Arteta's tactics, build a settled side and give game time to the likes of Saka, ESR, Tierney and Martinelli whod could be the core of the club for years to come.
In my view, Arteta needs to starts playing Martinelli in the Prem otherwise it's pretty much a lost season for him and he would be starting from scratch again next season. He could be the future so play him or at least get him involved as a sub.
I'm hoping we strengthen in the Summer and perhaps get rid of the likes of Willian, Eddie, maybe even Laca, Xhaka, Pepe and Bellerin. Only then will we see if Arteta is good enough to lead us.
posted on 26/2/21
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 57 minutes ago
I think the Europa will be difficult to win as Man U would probably do us over 2 legs. The Prem and top 4 is done so really this season should be used to blend in Arteta's tactics, build a settled side and give game time to the likes of Saka, ESR, Tierney and Martinelli whod could be the core of the club for years to come.
In my view, Arteta needs to starts playing Martinelli in the Prem otherwise it's pretty much a lost season for him and he would be starting from scratch again next season. He could be the future so play him or at least get him involved as a sub.
I'm hoping we strengthen in the Summer and perhaps get rid of the likes of Willian, Eddie, maybe even Laca, Xhaka, Pepe and Bellerin. Only then will we see if Arteta is good enough to lead us.
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we've already beaten beaten man utd over '2 legs' in the league no reason we cant do it again
posted on 26/2/21
comment by Lexington 125.2 - Give Reiss A Chance (U8879)
posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
Lacazette is leaving this summer. He’s been average at best for so long now, few will miss him when he’s gone. Pepe played well for a few games, but he was hardly brilliant enough to now have people complaining about him being benched.
Odegaard hardly played this season, so will need time to get up to speed - which he would’ve needed anyway, coming to a new league mid season. He’s here to add creativity as well as take some responsibility off of ESR - which he’s doing. I’m struggling to understand the negativity towards him tbh.
The problem with Arteta’s subs are he often leaves them too late to affect games, and they’re usually too conservative - yesterday he was a bit more creative with them though.
Willian, I just don’t like the player. Bellerin needs benching, but let’s not pretend Cedric is some wonderful replacement Arteta isn’t giving a chance to.
As for Saliba, Arteta is the least to blame over what happened. The player confirmed the manager made his mind up early on about him, meaning there was a full month left to sort out a loan. Why didn’t his agent make sure it happened? An agent is meant to ensure their client and their career is taken care of. Didn’t exactly earn his money last summer, did he. And what about the player. Was he not concerned no loan seemed in the offing as TDD approached? And Edu. What was he doing?
But yeah. ‘Arteta to blame’. Sheep mentality, mate.
And it’s boring now.
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How do you make up your mind in a couple of performances? Especially if that player has not playedfor 6 months? Form is temporary right? Or...if we go your way, why is Willian being given 30 games to prove himself regardless of how bad he plays? Saliba not playing even league cup or europa league is bad man management regardless how you cut it, mate.
posted on 26/2/21
Nah, he has taken over at a club in crisis. Won a pot and papered over the cracks.
On limited budget he will bring through/develop a great side.
posted on 26/2/21
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
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Exactly. This campaign to fire Arteta is completely out of order in my opinion. It comes in part from attention seekers and self-promoters on social media trying to prove how good an Arsenal fan they are and how passionate they are. I'm sorry but demanding instant success does not make you a good fan. It makes you a glory supporter, who picked the wrong team. If you want to support a side that will throw endless amounts of money at new players and new managers until something sticks you know where to go. That is not what Arsenal are about, and it isn't likely to be what we are about in the near future no matter what the loudmouths online think.
I don't want to attack the OP here, but how are articles calling for Arteta to be fired appearing after we won a difficult European tie?! It speaks of an agenda that goes beyond how we are performing on the pitch.
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I get your point but here is what I see. Benfica were poooooor. Ask yourself how many saves Leno had to make last night. But we were laboured. I am not being knee-jerk in my reaction...it's a culmination of poor lineup choices, sub choices and bad displays. And we cannot continue to blame Wenger...for the most part, the squad is as he wants it. The players from Wenger's era are players I'd keep and the others are players he brought in and players he convinced to stay (xhaka and Bellerin). This is the same manager who offered MUSTAFI a new contract. So no...not an agenda...just voicing my opinion based on 14 months of decisions.
posted on 26/2/21
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
Why did Auba start? To score 2 goals to get us through.
What did Pepe do to not get any game time for 3 games straight now? Nothing, he started on Sunday.
Gave up after this, clearly you have no idea.
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Makes 2 of us then considering the nonsense you spout on here more often than not aye?
posted on 26/2/21
pEpE hAsNt HaD a LoOk In FoR tHrEe GaMeS duuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
wHy DiD aUbA sTaRt??? To score two goals to put us through DUUUUUUUUUURRRRRR
DUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
posted on 26/2/21
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
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Exactly. This campaign to fire Arteta is completely out of order in my opinion. It comes in part from attention seekers and self-promoters on social media trying to prove how good an Arsenal fan they are and how passionate they are. I'm sorry but demanding instant success does not make you a good fan. It makes you a glory supporter, who picked the wrong team. If you want to support a side that will throw endless amounts of money at new players and new managers until something sticks you know where to go. That is not what Arsenal are about, and it isn't likely to be what we are about in the near future no matter what the loudmouths online think.
I don't want to attack the OP here, but how are articles calling for Arteta to be fired appearing after we won a difficult European tie?! It speaks of an agenda that goes beyond how we are performing on the pitch.
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I get your point but here is what I see. Benfica were poooooor. Ask yourself how many saves Leno had to make last night. But we were laboured. I am not being knee-jerk in my reaction...it's a culmination of poor lineup choices, sub choices and bad displays. And we cannot continue to blame Wenger...for the most part, the squad is as he wants it. The players from Wenger's era are players I'd keep and the others are players he brought in and players he convinced to stay (xhaka and Bellerin). This is the same manager who offered MUSTAFI a new contract. So no...not an agenda...just voicing my opinion based on 14 months of decisions.
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Oh I completely agree that we made a meal out of a tie that based on our overall performance level and the number of chances we created we should have comfortably won. But I don't think that is something that any manager can fully control. Every team has poor performances, and in all of our trophy-winning runs there are elements of luck and squeek-ed out results along the way. Beating Wigan in extra time in FA cup semi-final when their keeper let a Sanchez shot dribble through his hands springs to mind.
Did the way Arteta set out the team lead to the mistakes we made? I don't think so, the freekick they scored was a great goal, and their second was a shocker of a mistake from Ceballos which you can't plan for. The real issue in this tie was the three gilt-edged chances Auba missed in the first leg to put us in command of the tie. We played well enough in the first leg to put it to bed and didn't take our chances. To be fair to Auba he was very clinical in the game last night and was inches away from a hat-trick.
posted on 26/2/21
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look whilst i agree with much of this article, the whole Arteta out agenda is over the top and frankly ridiculous.
He's a young inexperienced coach trying to steady the disorganised mess the club was after Wenger, Gazidis and co left. He's shored up the defence and generally steadied the mood around the club. Yes he probably stumbled over ESR and saka because the experienced players were failing. But nevertheless he's stuck with them and they have grown into major players.
He will make mistakes due to his age and will over rely on players probably past their prime but we are rebuilding and dropping all of them and starting again only ever works in theory. In reality you cant play 11 kids and expect instant success. It's a slow process and we should be patient.
Arteta might not be the answer, time will tell, but let's give him time and then judge him after another transfer window. He'll then have a chance to get in his own players and we can decide if he's any good or not.
Firing Managers every 9 months only ever works if you are Chelsea and can throw 100s of millions at a new project. We can't do that so let's be patient.
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Exactly. This campaign to fire Arteta is completely out of order in my opinion. It comes in part from attention seekers and self-promoters on social media trying to prove how good an Arsenal fan they are and how passionate they are. I'm sorry but demanding instant success does not make you a good fan. It makes you a glory supporter, who picked the wrong team. If you want to support a side that will throw endless amounts of money at new players and new managers until something sticks you know where to go. That is not what Arsenal are about, and it isn't likely to be what we are about in the near future no matter what the loudmouths online think.
I don't want to attack the OP here, but how are articles calling for Arteta to be fired appearing after we won a difficult European tie?! It speaks of an agenda that goes beyond how we are performing on the pitch.
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I get your point but here is what I see. Benfica were poooooor. Ask yourself how many saves Leno had to make last night. But we were laboured. I am not being knee-jerk in my reaction...it's a culmination of poor lineup choices, sub choices and bad displays. And we cannot continue to blame Wenger...for the most part, the squad is as he wants it. The players from Wenger's era are players I'd keep and the others are players he brought in and players he convinced to stay (xhaka and Bellerin). This is the same manager who offered MUSTAFI a new contract. So no...not an agenda...just voicing my opinion based on 14 months of decisions.
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Oh I completely agree that we made a meal out of a tie that based on our overall performance level and the number of chances we created we should have comfortably won. But I don't think that is something that any manager can fully control. Every team has poor performances, and in all of our trophy-winning runs there are elements of luck and squeek-ed out results along the way. Beating Wigan in extra time in FA cup semi-final when their keeper let a Sanchez shot dribble through his hands springs to mind.
Did the way Arteta set out the team lead to the mistakes we made? I don't think so, the freekick they scored was a great goal, and their second was a shocker of a mistake from Ceballos which you can't plan for. The real issue in this tie was the three gilt-edged chances Auba missed in the first leg to put us in command of the tie. We played well enough in the first leg to put it to bed and didn't take our chances. To be fair to Auba he was very clinical in the game last night and was inches away from a hat-trick.
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I dont think ANYONE can blame Arteta for the individual player mistakes. It's either our players are that dodgey or we have the worst luck when it comes to brain farts. I know Luiz and Xhaka have a mistake in them every few games and Mustafi could as well...but it seems to be spreading haha.
I think what I am trying to say is that I would be fine with losing and mistakes if there was a consistent pattern of play and direction. That is what bothers me most. It seems like after 14 months, Arteta still does not know how he wants the team to play and thus coach them to play that way regardless of the performance. For example...I was "Emery in" until his second season. Not so much due to the results ( horrible run at the end and that cup final) but due to the decisions...playing torreira at #10, the lack of defensive shape and he looked clueless too on the sideline in terms of how to fix it. But with other coaches you can see what they re trying to do..even if it does not come off and that is what I want. That and playing the right 11 and subs.
posted on 26/2/21
I have to agree with every point which the OP has made. Arteta needs to be replaced in the summer. He simply is not good enough in too many areas and I can’t see much improvement if any from last year.
posted on 26/2/21
comment by MaineGunner (U10130)
posted 8 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 - Give Reiss A Chance (U8879)
posted 3 hours, 29 minutes ago
Lacazette is leaving this summer. He’s been average at best for so long now, few will miss him when he’s gone. Pepe played well for a few games, but he was hardly brilliant enough to now have people complaining about him being benched.
Odegaard hardly played this season, so will need time to get up to speed - which he would’ve needed anyway, coming to a new league mid season. He’s here to add creativity as well as take some responsibility off of ESR - which he’s doing. I’m struggling to understand the negativity towards him tbh.
The problem with Arteta’s subs are he often leaves them too late to affect games, and they’re usually too conservative - yesterday he was a bit more creative with them though.
Willian, I just don’t like the player. Bellerin needs benching, but let’s not pretend Cedric is some wonderful replacement Arteta isn’t giving a chance to.
As for Saliba, Arteta is the least to blame over what happened. The player confirmed the manager made his mind up early on about him, meaning there was a full month left to sort out a loan. Why didn’t his agent make sure it happened? An agent is meant to ensure their client and their career is taken care of. Didn’t exactly earn his money last summer, did he. And what about the player. Was he not concerned no loan seemed in the offing as TDD approached? And Edu. What was he doing?
But yeah. ‘Arteta to blame’. Sheep mentality, mate.
And it’s boring now.
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How do you make up your mind in a couple of performances? Especially if that player has not playedfor 6 months? Form is temporary right? Or...if we go your way, why is Willian being given 30 games to prove himself regardless of how bad he plays? Saliba not playing even league cup or europa league is bad man management regardless how you cut it, mate.
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Zech Medley also didn’t play Europa League or Cup matches. Bad Man management, or a manager protecting a young player he doesn’t think is ready for the first team yet?
It’s one to ponder, for sure.
I wish I could answer your other points. I might even agree with you. Just that, even having read it through a couple of times, I haven’t a clue wtf your actually point is.
Sorry.
posted on 26/2/21
Mikel Arteta may well make a great defensive coach but he is an absolute mess of a manager. We/he got lucky last night. Happy we won but part of me sees it as unlucky for AFC in the long term. Losing would have almost certainly mean a couple of dodgy league results would see him sacked and a proper manager brought in for next season, as ke'd have no choice but to pay for someone established. The specific combination of flaws in Arteta, mean he's not going to make it to the title of "Good/Great manager," in any time scale acceptable to our needs as one of the biggest, most prestigious clubs in English football.
Lacking tactically, useless at identifying individual player strengths/weaknesses, ridiculously stubborn, equally rude to and dismissive of his players and their wishes. Also disrespectful of their contributions to the club (in some cases for longer than his post playing career). And all of that comes rolled up in a big ball of totally inexperienced arrogance. He's clearly got no intention of changing any of these traits about himself. So basically he himself is always doomed to shoot himself in the foot. Either by making the wrong choices for the team or by alienating players that much nobody wants to play for him. He is "set in" his own already very wrong ways. Things won't improve next season, they will get worse.
All that said though calling for him to be sacked whilst we're still in EL is pointless (could be pointless anyway). ke has got himself an "accept the penny pinch" biyatch. If he wanted a real manager then he'd have agreed to Ancelotti's spending requirements to get one. ALL our owner cares about is keeping as much cash in the bank as possible for as much time as possible. Arteta will accept being fecked about for a measley 40 mil to get a player as good as Partey, where no established, decent manager will swallow that sh!t. So as far as ke is concerned it's Arteta in for as long as he can get away with keeping him in the job. We're FECKED and anything we win for the next 2-3 seasons will be won in spite of Arteta, not because of him.
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