It was a stonewall penalty. Sanchez fouled Lacazette in the penalty area
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I don’t get why people don’t think it was a penalty based on the outcome it could have been. The situation it was he wiped out a player without getting the ball. I’m really honestly surprised it’s caused a debate - I thought it was about as clear cut as you get 🤷♂️
comment by Arteta's Intertoto Cup Level Legends (U3245)
posted 2 minutes ago
no difference then when a player passes the ball then gets cleared out a second later. he was totally out of control with that tackle
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Agree with this
Was a clear pen. Irrelevant that lacazette missed it, he was then taken out by Sanchez in the box.
nah never a pen for me. Lacazette spooned his shot and his follow through meant him and Sanchez collided. Was equally a foul the other way if you want to call it that. VAR is broken and they should ditch it, has made watching football less enjoyable than Mourinho this season, and that's saying something.
Not worth arguing that much over this particular one though (similar to Lamela's first yellow which never should have been) as at the end of the day Arsenal deserved to win that game by miles.
I'm astonished that anybody could think that it wasn't?
The fact that he sliced the shot is irrelevant if you release the ball then get clattered its a foul. The only time it shouldn't be given is if an advantage occurs.
His attempted block did not cause the airs-hot, he's missed the ball by the time there was any contact. If he had connected and Sanchez blocked it in the exact same way then there wouldnt be a penalty award. Because Lacazette missed it, then the question should be was that because of contact from Sanchez, but this wasnt the case.
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This isn't relevant though. He's gone into the challenge recklessly and he's made contact with the striker without getting the ball.
Just because Lacazette misses the shot, it doesn't mean you can foul afterwards.
I've seen it a lot in some games where players get fouled after taking a shot and the referee doesn't give a penalty, when they should.
In some games, it does get given, but not often enough.
Rather than focusing on this incident, you should be more concerned at the fact that we had 13 shots and you had 1 up until the 80th minute.
Whether it was a penalty or not, you didn't deserve anything from the game.
Who cares if he spoons it? You can't clatter someone in the box. If that happened off the ball it would still be a penalty
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comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
Who cares if he spoons it? You can't clatter someone in the box. If that happened off the ball it would still be a penalty
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Not sure on the difference in the rules, but if a striker dives, a foul isn't given and play continues but the striker gets a yellow card.
If Sanchez hasn't gained an advantage, or prevented a shooting opportunity as the balls already gone, then at best it's an obstruction of his run (without the ball) so why can't it be a yellow but no penalty of the ref deems it.
Anywhere else on the pitch and that's a foul and yellow card.
Debate has only started due to ex spurs players in the media
comment by RespectYourAldersSon (U22365)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
Who cares if he spoons it? You can't clatter someone in the box. If that happened off the ball it would still be a penalty
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Not sure on the difference in the rules, but if a striker dives, a foul isn't given and play continues but the striker gets a yellow card.
If Sanchez hasn't gained an advantage, or prevented a shooting opportunity as the balls already gone, then at best it's an obstruction of his run (without the ball) so why can't it be a yellow but no penalty of the ref deems it.
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I'd assume that simulation isn't considered to be an actual foul whereas clattering someone is
I've just watched it again and not only does Sanchez go into the challenge recklessly + missing the ball, both his leg AND his body collide with Lacazette.
The fact that these pundits are saying we got lucky is, frankly, farcical.
I really don't understand why the decision has come under so much scrutiny.
It was never a foul nor a penalty as long as I have a hole in my aris, and was just another in a long line of Spursy penalties given against us in comical fashion. Newcastle at home, Saints away etc etc
If it had been the other way around and it was a Spurs player being clattered, I'd wager every Spurs fan here who claimed it was not a pen, would in that same situation be outraged if a pen was not given...
Lacazette was just as much to blame for the collision as Sanchez was, he had no control of the ball and both players clattered into each other.
You won`t see Spurs gifted a penalty like that, referees like Oliver only give those to clubs that wear a red shirt.
Lets not forget when Oliver shafted us with the comical Sheffield United disallowed goal and the Bournemouth non penalty for the clear foul on Kane, Mourinho came out and criticized Oliver publicly, and righty so, but you can bet Oliver will have remembered that, there was no wonder he could not wait to give a penalty against us at the very first opportunity.
Oliver is one of the worst referees in the PL, and yet he has been given this reputation as one of the best, he is far from it, given that he regularly favours teams that wear a red shirt, it is easy to see where that nonsense reputation has been dreamt up from.
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 13 minutes ago
I don’t get why people don’t think it was a penalty based on the outcome it could have been. The situation it was he wiped out a player without getting the ball. I’m really honestly surprised it’s caused a debate - I thought it was about as clear cut as you get 🤷♂️
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This - it was stonewall.
Refs don’t apply conjecture- “oh he might have lunged like that expecting a shot but the arsenal guy has air kicked it”
They apply the fact: Sanchez takes down Lacazette in the box without getting near the ball.
I think we can agree that Sanchez intent was to block a shot that never happened so not gonna hang him out to dry for it, it’s just bad luck, but it’s still a pen nonetheless.
The bigger issue is Sanchez finding himself in that situation in the first place because we repeatedly couldn’t beat the press, giving them possession over and over and over in our back third or the middle third. Our standard of passing and ball retention yesterday was embarrassing to watch. Play deep, surrender possession = increase % chance of conceding shots, set pieces and of making errors at the back. Never learn.
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This when we play like this we basically play sides into form we give them so much of the ball it stands to reason they are gonna hit the jackpot sooner or later and score.
It's a strange one granted but it's a pen yes he's gone thundering in expecting to block a shot but it's a foul.
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 31 minutes ago
OP is a good wum
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"I have since seen the Skysports and MOTD chat and most pundits/ex-pros seem fairly unanimous in saying it wasnt a penalty."
thought this was especially good...
It would be more sensible to discuss how and why Spurs's performance so greatly improved after going down to 10 men. 80 minuets of dormancy followed by 10 minutes of dangerously intense attacking, unlucky not to have finished at least level.
its a foul and penno move on
Sorry, but as soon as Sanchez goes off his feet (out of control; reckless) and wipes someone out, he's taking that risk. I understand what he was trying to do in blocking a shot, but that possibility is always there. If Lacazette had simply shielded the ball and turned his back only to be clattered in the same way, nobody even debates it. The fact that Lacazette reaches that position through a skewed mishit is neither here nor there.
I thought Jenas's analysis of that and the Lamela red card were awful last night. Excusing recklessness and a blatant loss of temper when it would actually be better for Spurs in the long run if they were called out.
comment by Arteta's Intertoto Cup Level Legends (U3245)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
no difference then when a player passes the ball then gets cleared out a second later. he was totally out of control with that tackle
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This.
Any player or former player or pundit who says this isn’t a penalty doesn’t understand the rules of the game. And believe me there are a surprising amount of them out there.
comment by â—Ź Billy The Yidd â—Ź 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 59 minutes ago
It was never a foul nor a penalty as long as I have a hole in my aris,
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Considering you are full of $hit, I would imagine you don’t have a hole in your ar$e.
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posted on 15/3/21
It was a stonewall penalty. Sanchez fouled Lacazette in the penalty area
posted on 15/3/21
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posted on 15/3/21
I don’t get why people don’t think it was a penalty based on the outcome it could have been. The situation it was he wiped out a player without getting the ball. I’m really honestly surprised it’s caused a debate - I thought it was about as clear cut as you get 🤷♂️
posted on 15/3/21
comment by Arteta's Intertoto Cup Level Legends (U3245)
posted 2 minutes ago
no difference then when a player passes the ball then gets cleared out a second later. he was totally out of control with that tackle
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Agree with this
posted on 15/3/21
Was a clear pen. Irrelevant that lacazette missed it, he was then taken out by Sanchez in the box.
posted on 15/3/21
nah never a pen for me. Lacazette spooned his shot and his follow through meant him and Sanchez collided. Was equally a foul the other way if you want to call it that. VAR is broken and they should ditch it, has made watching football less enjoyable than Mourinho this season, and that's saying something.
Not worth arguing that much over this particular one though (similar to Lamela's first yellow which never should have been) as at the end of the day Arsenal deserved to win that game by miles.
posted on 15/3/21
I'm astonished that anybody could think that it wasn't?
The fact that he sliced the shot is irrelevant if you release the ball then get clattered its a foul. The only time it shouldn't be given is if an advantage occurs.
posted on 15/3/21
His attempted block did not cause the airs-hot, he's missed the ball by the time there was any contact. If he had connected and Sanchez blocked it in the exact same way then there wouldnt be a penalty award. Because Lacazette missed it, then the question should be was that because of contact from Sanchez, but this wasnt the case.
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This isn't relevant though. He's gone into the challenge recklessly and he's made contact with the striker without getting the ball.
Just because Lacazette misses the shot, it doesn't mean you can foul afterwards.
I've seen it a lot in some games where players get fouled after taking a shot and the referee doesn't give a penalty, when they should.
In some games, it does get given, but not often enough.
Rather than focusing on this incident, you should be more concerned at the fact that we had 13 shots and you had 1 up until the 80th minute.
Whether it was a penalty or not, you didn't deserve anything from the game.
posted on 15/3/21
Who cares if he spoons it? You can't clatter someone in the box. If that happened off the ball it would still be a penalty
posted on 15/3/21
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posted on 15/3/21
OP is a good wum
posted on 15/3/21
comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
Who cares if he spoons it? You can't clatter someone in the box. If that happened off the ball it would still be a penalty
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Not sure on the difference in the rules, but if a striker dives, a foul isn't given and play continues but the striker gets a yellow card.
If Sanchez hasn't gained an advantage, or prevented a shooting opportunity as the balls already gone, then at best it's an obstruction of his run (without the ball) so why can't it be a yellow but no penalty of the ref deems it.
posted on 15/3/21
Anywhere else on the pitch and that's a foul and yellow card.
Debate has only started due to ex spurs players in the media
posted on 15/3/21
comment by RespectYourAldersSon (U22365)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
Who cares if he spoons it? You can't clatter someone in the box. If that happened off the ball it would still be a penalty
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Not sure on the difference in the rules, but if a striker dives, a foul isn't given and play continues but the striker gets a yellow card.
If Sanchez hasn't gained an advantage, or prevented a shooting opportunity as the balls already gone, then at best it's an obstruction of his run (without the ball) so why can't it be a yellow but no penalty of the ref deems it.
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I'd assume that simulation isn't considered to be an actual foul whereas clattering someone is
posted on 15/3/21
I've just watched it again and not only does Sanchez go into the challenge recklessly + missing the ball, both his leg AND his body collide with Lacazette.
The fact that these pundits are saying we got lucky is, frankly, farcical.
I really don't understand why the decision has come under so much scrutiny.
posted on 15/3/21
It was never a foul nor a penalty as long as I have a hole in my aris, and was just another in a long line of Spursy penalties given against us in comical fashion. Newcastle at home, Saints away etc etc
posted on 15/3/21
If it had been the other way around and it was a Spurs player being clattered, I'd wager every Spurs fan here who claimed it was not a pen, would in that same situation be outraged if a pen was not given...
posted on 15/3/21
Lacazette was just as much to blame for the collision as Sanchez was, he had no control of the ball and both players clattered into each other.
You won`t see Spurs gifted a penalty like that, referees like Oliver only give those to clubs that wear a red shirt.
Lets not forget when Oliver shafted us with the comical Sheffield United disallowed goal and the Bournemouth non penalty for the clear foul on Kane, Mourinho came out and criticized Oliver publicly, and righty so, but you can bet Oliver will have remembered that, there was no wonder he could not wait to give a penalty against us at the very first opportunity.
Oliver is one of the worst referees in the PL, and yet he has been given this reputation as one of the best, he is far from it, given that he regularly favours teams that wear a red shirt, it is easy to see where that nonsense reputation has been dreamt up from.
posted on 15/3/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 13 minutes ago
I don’t get why people don’t think it was a penalty based on the outcome it could have been. The situation it was he wiped out a player without getting the ball. I’m really honestly surprised it’s caused a debate - I thought it was about as clear cut as you get 🤷♂️
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This - it was stonewall.
Refs don’t apply conjecture- “oh he might have lunged like that expecting a shot but the arsenal guy has air kicked it”
They apply the fact: Sanchez takes down Lacazette in the box without getting near the ball.
I think we can agree that Sanchez intent was to block a shot that never happened so not gonna hang him out to dry for it, it’s just bad luck, but it’s still a pen nonetheless.
The bigger issue is Sanchez finding himself in that situation in the first place because we repeatedly couldn’t beat the press, giving them possession over and over and over in our back third or the middle third. Our standard of passing and ball retention yesterday was embarrassing to watch. Play deep, surrender possession = increase % chance of conceding shots, set pieces and of making errors at the back. Never learn.
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This when we play like this we basically play sides into form we give them so much of the ball it stands to reason they are gonna hit the jackpot sooner or later and score.
It's a strange one granted but it's a pen yes he's gone thundering in expecting to block a shot but it's a foul.
posted on 15/3/21
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 31 minutes ago
OP is a good wum
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"I have since seen the Skysports and MOTD chat and most pundits/ex-pros seem fairly unanimous in saying it wasnt a penalty."
thought this was especially good...
posted on 15/3/21
It would be more sensible to discuss how and why Spurs's performance so greatly improved after going down to 10 men. 80 minuets of dormancy followed by 10 minutes of dangerously intense attacking, unlucky not to have finished at least level.
posted on 15/3/21
its a foul and penno move on
posted on 15/3/21
Sorry, but as soon as Sanchez goes off his feet (out of control; reckless) and wipes someone out, he's taking that risk. I understand what he was trying to do in blocking a shot, but that possibility is always there. If Lacazette had simply shielded the ball and turned his back only to be clattered in the same way, nobody even debates it. The fact that Lacazette reaches that position through a skewed mishit is neither here nor there.
I thought Jenas's analysis of that and the Lamela red card were awful last night. Excusing recklessness and a blatant loss of temper when it would actually be better for Spurs in the long run if they were called out.
posted on 15/3/21
comment by Arteta's Intertoto Cup Level Legends (U3245)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
no difference then when a player passes the ball then gets cleared out a second later. he was totally out of control with that tackle
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This.
Any player or former player or pundit who says this isn’t a penalty doesn’t understand the rules of the game. And believe me there are a surprising amount of them out there.
posted on 15/3/21
comment by â—Ź Billy The Yidd â—Ź 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 59 minutes ago
It was never a foul nor a penalty as long as I have a hole in my aris,
......
Considering you are full of $hit, I would imagine you don’t have a hole in your ar$e.
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