comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Arteta's Intertoto Cup Level Legends (U3245)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
no difference then when a player passes the ball then gets cleared out a second later. he was totally out of control with that tackle
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This.

Any player or former player or pundit who says this isn’t a penalty doesn’t understand the rules of the game. And believe me there are a surprising amount of them out there.
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So that's Jenas, Llundberg, Keown and Dawson of the ex-players ive seen comment. But JA606ers, well they know the rules better than anyone.

comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 15 minutes ago
Sorry, but as soon as Sanchez goes off his feet (out of control; reckless) and wipes someone out, he's taking that risk. I understand what he was trying to do in blocking a shot, but that possibility is always there. If Lacazette had simply shielded the ball and turned his back only to be clattered in the same way, nobody even debates it. The fact that Lacazette reaches that position through a skewed mishit is neither here nor there.

I thought Jenas's analysis of that and the Lamela red card were awful last night. Excusing recklessness and a blatant loss of temper when it would actually be better for Spurs in the long run if they were called out.
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If Lacazette controlled it and shielded it and Sanchez went through him, then fair enough. Stonewall. That isnt what happened.

In fact Lacazette had an embarrassing airshot at it and if you look at the bottom link in the OP it is his foot that makes contact with Sanchez's calf which is the first point of contact in the coming together. So while Sanchez is trying to block it and fails, Lacazette is trying to kick it and fails.

To me its just a coming together

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Arteta's Intertoto Cup Level Legends (U3245)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
no difference then when a player passes the ball then gets cleared out a second later. he was totally out of control with that tackle
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This.

Any player or former player or pundit who says this isn’t a penalty doesn’t understand the rules of the game. And believe me there are a surprising amount of them out there.
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So that's Jenas, Llundberg, Keown and Dawson of the ex-players ive seen comment. But JA606ers, well they know the rules better than anyone.
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The rules of the game must say that any team in a red shirt must be given the benefit of doubt at all times, because that is what happens. There is zero chance Oliver points to the spot if that was at the other end of the pitch, you know it and I know it. If that penalty was given against Arsenal, their fans would be in uproar, which is a moot point because it would never happen.

So that's Jenas, Llundberg, Keown and Dawson of the ex-players ive seen comment. But JA606ers, well they know the rules better than anyone.

....

Well we clearly know the foul rule better than them.

i felt it was a penalty. sanchez out of position desperately lunging like a madman to block shot. no contact with ball, contact with man. stonewaller and no sympathy whatsoever for sanchez

It was a penalty end of story. He proved once again what a complete liability clown he is and needs selling ASAP. Pointless having a good 60 mins blocking and playing well, then when it comes to the crunch, gift the opposition a penalty. He’s clumsy, erratic and just not good enough. Like Aurier, for every decent bit of play you sometimes get from them, you are pretty much certain to get a mistake in the same a game. A liability.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Arteta's Intertoto Cup Level Legends (U3245)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
no difference then when a player passes the ball then gets cleared out a second later. he was totally out of control with that tackle
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This.

Any player or former player or pundit who says this isn’t a penalty doesn’t understand the rules of the game. And believe me there are a surprising amount of them out there.
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So that's Jenas, Llundberg, Keown and Dawson of the ex-players ive seen comment. But JA606ers, well they know the rules better than anyone.
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If this many of your own fans are saying it was a penalty and felt the analysis was wrong, do you not think that should tell you something?

Maybe they should change the rules so that only a foul is given but no pen for that sort of incident. I bet Laca couldn't believe his luck for getting a pen after he fluffed the fack out of that shot. Saved him from complete embarrassment.

Penalty imo because he kicked Lacazette in the penalty area.

its a penalty

if thats the other way round youre expecting a penalty for spurs

comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Penalty imo because he kicked Lacazette in the penalty area.
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I think you should have to earn penalties, rather than get given them for woeful air shots.

comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Penalty imo because he kicked Lacazette in the penalty area.
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If you're not on the edge you're taking up too much room.

A penalty isn't a reward for the attacking team, they don't have to earn anything. it's a punishment for the defensive team.

I cba to cross reference what others thought but I thought the Sanchez one was more of a penalty than the one DCL got against us in the derby and I can see why that was given too.

comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 48 seconds ago
A penalty isn't a reward for the attacking team, they don't have to earn anything. it's a punishment for the defensive team.
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That's just the thing though, I'm finding penalties are becoming more like rewards for the attacking team. The awarding of the pen is often outweighing the punishment for the opponent.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
I think you should have to earn penalties, rather than get given them for woeful air shots.
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i agree but this is the issue of not having a good set of consistent rules and common sense implied within them.

unfortunately this isnt the case so this is a penalty and we see bs handball decisions each week and the rules are different for attacking and defending teams

with VAR its the perfect opportunity to apply more lenient rules.

comment by Phenagelsmann (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
I think you should have to earn penalties, rather than get given them for woeful air shots.
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i agree but this is the issue of not having a good set of consistent rules and common sense implied within them.

unfortunately this isnt the case so this is a penalty and we see bs handball decisions each week and the rules are different for attacking and defending teams
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Well it's a penalty if it's considered a foul in the box according to the rules but I dunno, it just feels like some penalties are more warranted than others. But to change the rules would open up a new can of worms for an already struggling VAR.

The not being allowed to kick people in the penalty area is a pretty solid rule that's been around since 1902.

comment by Robbing Cromwell - agent of the hierarchy. (U6374)
posted 34 seconds ago
The not being allowed to kick people in the penalty area is a pretty solid rule that's been around since 1902.
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 48 seconds ago
A penalty isn't a reward for the attacking team, they don't have to earn anything. it's a punishment for the defensive team.
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That's just the thing though, I'm finding penalties are becoming more like rewards for the attacking team. The awarding of the pen is often outweighing the punishment for the opponent.
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If we're having a larger conversation about how the rules should be than I'm personally starting to question if penalties should even exist

Just feel like giving the opposition basically the best goal scoring chance we have In football is often too harsh a punishment - you could be on the edge of a crowded penalty area with nowhere to go but if you're tripped up you get the closest thing to a guaranteed goal there is in the sport. Maybe I'm being extreme but I feel like there is a conversation to have there

It was a foul in the box though and under the current rules that means it's a penalty

That sounds like a different sport.

Tbf they've got rid of the red card for keepers who stop a goal scoring chance but there's not much wrong with penalties, football has been fine with them for over a century.

I don't think it's a problem per se, I just think that when you step back and actually think about penalties they don't really make much sense

comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't think it's a problem per se, I just think that when you step back and actually think about penalties they don't really make much sense
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It's a penalty area. I mean I've never known any different but it certainly adds to the game for me.