comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
I very infrequently post but whenever i mention the Glazers their two chief acolytes are on me defending their honour within minutes.
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Why do the Glazers concern you so much? You post history suggests some weird obsession considering you are not a United fan.
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I find depressing that great clubs are going to shiiiiit and with the blessing of the fan base.
I really enjoyed the old United/Arsenal battles of yesteryear, i find what your respective owners are doing utterly criminal. You've gone from two teams genuinely looking to win the lot to one team happy with 4th and the other defending being 9th.
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 seconds ago
But as the other Glazer apologist has done a runner
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Stop being childish. No United fan on here is a Glazer apologist.
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When they personally attack someone they will never (knowingly) meet because they criticised the Glazers then what else does that make them?
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People who are fed up with posters like yourself.
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I very infrequently post but whenever i mention the Glazers their two chief acolytes are on me defending their honour within minutes.
Their a part of the problem in your club because they accept this. Like I said imagine if you had a proper owner who pushed the boat out for someone like Allegri and gave him proper backing in the market? That's the very least a club your size should expect but instead you have owners content with not challenging for silverware and fans like those two who endorse it.
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This is standard, VC my friend. Most here are used to this guy, so I suggest you just respond and laugh at him.
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I genuinely don't understand why as a general fan base you ain't demanding better.
The Glazers at any big or even medium sized club on the continent and they were hounded out years ago. Take this quote from Xavi.
Speaking to ESPNFC.com, Xavi said: "Juan Mata told me a story last year. He said that when Manchester United finished seventh (in 2013-14), the fans applauded the team at the end of the season."
"Seventh! If that happened to us in Barcelona, they'd want to kill us in our cars!"
Must he frustrating for you as you're clearly someone who wants the best for your club but have to deal with these lunatics embracing the Glazers way.
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Let me tell you something about this place, if you are in support of what Xavi is saying, you are a glory hunter or Born in the 90s/ 00s they will tell you. I am going to make a wild guess here that most of these comments comes from my fellow Brits.... we are so arrogant in our ways, that we fail to recognise there are other cultures out there that deal with things differently.
Take Roy Keane for example, always bashing players for laughing in the bloody tunnel..... The Brazil team of yester year were always doing this, of course they are envious of the England team when it comes to World Cups.
Speaking to ESPNFC.com, Xavi said: "Juan Mata told me a story last year. He said that when Manchester United finished seventh (in 2013-14), the fans applauded the team at the end of the season."
"Seventh! If that happened to us in Barcelona, they'd want to kill us in our cars!"
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The fans weren't applauding the team for finishing 7th. The fans would have been clapping as a sign of respect for their efforts, even if results weren't good. It's called supporting the players.
Fans of a lot of teams generally show their appreciation for the efforts of players/staff at the end of the last game of the season.
Fans also do it when their team gets relegated.
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 22 seconds ago
Speaking to ESPNFC.com, Xavi said: "Juan Mata told me a story last year. He said that when Manchester United finished seventh (in 2013-14), the fans applauded the team at the end of the season."
"Seventh! If that happened to us in Barcelona, they'd want to kill us in our cars!"
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The fans weren't applauding the team for finishing 7th. The fans would have been clapping as a sign of respect for their efforts, even if results weren't good. It's called supporting the players.
Fans of a lot of teams generally show their appreciation for the efforts of players/staff at the end of the last game of the season.
Fans also do it when their team gets relegated.
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I believe they were verbally abusing Paul Pogba the imbeciles.
The Glazers and Ed woodward.
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You are right in that aspect of things. Until we rid ourselves of the Glazers then they will always be an issue with how the club is run.
But hopefully the new changes can steer us in a much better direction than we were being steered back when Moyes was being given a six year contract.
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 seconds ago
But as the other Glazer apologist has done a runner
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Stop being childish. No United fan on here is a Glazer apologist.
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When they personally attack someone they will never (knowingly) meet because they criticised the Glazers then what else does that make them?
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People who are fed up with posters like yourself.
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I very infrequently post but whenever i mention the Glazers their two chief acolytes are on me defending their honour within minutes.
Their a part of the problem in your club because they accept this. Like I said imagine if you had a proper owner who pushed the boat out for someone like Allegri and gave him proper backing in the market? That's the very least a club your size should expect but instead you have owners content with not challenging for silverware and fans like those two who endorse it.
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This is standard, VC my friend. Most here are used to this guy, so I suggest you just respond and laugh at him.
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I genuinely don't understand why as a general fan base you ain't demanding better.
The Glazers at any big or even medium sized club on the continent and they were hounded out years ago. Take this quote from Xavi.
Speaking to ESPNFC.com, Xavi said: "Juan Mata told me a story last year. He said that when Manchester United finished seventh (in 2013-14), the fans applauded the team at the end of the season."
"Seventh! If that happened to us in Barcelona, they'd want to kill us in our cars!"
Must he frustrating for you as you're clearly someone who wants the best for your club but have to deal with these lunatics embracing the Glazers way.
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Let me tell you something about this place, if you are in support of what Xavi is saying, you are a glory hunter or Born in the 90s/ 00s they will tell you. I am going to make a wild guess here that most of these comments comes from my fellow Brits.... we are so arrogant in our ways, that we fail to recognise there are other cultures out there that deal with things differently.
Take Roy Keane for example, always bashing players for laughing in the bloody tunnel..... The Brazil team of yester year were always doing this, of course they are envious of the England team when it comes to World Cups.
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Re Keane I'm guessing that's why he failed in management ultimately.
His first two years at Sunderland shown he has/had something about him but I imagine his tolerance for the modern player/someone who had different ideas to him were lower than low.
Although that said is him joining Instagram and his 'bromance' with Micah a sign he's starting to meet modern football in the middle? So to speak.
Mitigating circumstances in 13’14 season.
The hiring of Moyes and a cultural shift the size of a Richter scale 9 earthquake, was a reset.
Fans accepted we weren’t challenging for the title.
But I think applauding the players wouldn’t have happened had Moyes stayed on...
Although that said is him joining Instagram and his 'bromance' with Micah a sign he's starting to meet modern football in the middle? So to speak.
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He has no choice but to do so if he wants to be a success in management. I am afraid, like Mourinho, Keane will never change.
Re Keane I'm guessing that's why he failed in management ultimately.
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Keane failed on management because he failed to learn from Fergie the fine line between being autocratic and not.
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 1 minute ago
Mitigating circumstances in 13’14 season.
The hiring of Moyes and a cultural shift the size of a Richter scale 9 earthquake, was a reset.
Fans accepted we weren’t challenging for the title.
But I think applauding the players wouldn’t have happened had Moyes stayed on...
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Why did you need to have a complete reset? You were Champions and has a shiiit load of money.
You think Real, Barca or Bayern would take a voluntarily slide down the league for the sake of a process/rebuild? One which still hasn't come to fruition the best part of a decade later!
You think Real, Barca or Bayern would take a voluntarily slide down the league for the sake of a process/rebuild?
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We didn’t do it voluntary. We made a very poor appointment after SAF.
Oh and Bayern, Barca and Real have done just that in their history and will undoubtedly do it again.
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comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 1 minute ago
Mitigating circumstances in 13’14 season.
The hiring of Moyes and a cultural shift the size of a Richter scale 9 earthquake, was a reset.
Fans accepted we weren’t challenging for the title.
But I think applauding the players wouldn’t have happened had Moyes stayed on...
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Why did you need to have a complete reset? You were Champions and has a shiiit load of money.
You think Real, Barca or Bayern would take a voluntarily slide down the league for the sake of a process/rebuild? One which still hasn't come to fruition the best part of a decade later!
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Hey, I didn’t approve the idea, I agree there was no need for a total reset. But you’re dealing with money men, not winners. I was against it, but UTD wanted things to be smooth in transitioning over to Moyes, lazily leaving it all on SAF, when someone should’ve done their due diligence and asked if this was the right way to go about things...
The 6 year contract says it all... which bonehead decided that?! Then to sack him 7 months in showed nobody had a clue.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 38 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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this current real and barca team wouldnt finish above leicester city
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 1 minute ago
Mitigating circumstances in 13’14 season.
The hiring of Moyes and a cultural shift the size of a Richter scale 9 earthquake, was a reset.
Fans accepted we weren’t challenging for the title.
But I think applauding the players wouldn’t have happened had Moyes stayed on...
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Why did you need to have a complete reset? You were Champions and has a shiiit load of money.
You think Real, Barca or Bayern would take a voluntarily slide down the league for the sake of a process/rebuild? One which still hasn't come to fruition the best part of a decade later!
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Hey, I didn’t approve the idea, I agree there was no need for a total reset. But you’re dealing with money men, not winners. I was against it, but UTD wanted things to be smooth in transitioning over to Moyes, lazily leaving it all on SAF, when someone should’ve done their due diligence and asked if this was the right way to go about things...
The 6 year contract says it all... which bonehead decided that?! Then to sack him 7 months in showed nobody had a clue.
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SAF was best placed to choose his successor, cant really go against the great mans recommendation
A reset was needed as we had one man in charge for decades and the squad was ageing and needed a rebuild
6 year contract was meant to be a sign of faith and wanting someone to build a legacy again, it didn't work out and football has moved on.
it dont hold any anger over it, the only decision i've hated of the clubs was hiring Jose. that set us back a lot.
it dont hold any anger over it, the only decision i've hated of the clubs was hiring Jose. that set us back a lot.
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Jose should have been the one to replace SAF in my opinion. I said this on here when we appointed Moyes.
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 38 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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this current real and barca team wouldnt finish above leicester city
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They don’t have to in order to win their league
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 38 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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I don’t think the intention of the rebuild was to have us as you’ve said. 0 trophies and Europy.
LvG and Jose won trophies, but couldn’t keep us in C.L. Or challenge for the title.
Why wasn’t the FA cup good enough. Why wasn’t Europa good enough. No, they want Champions League. Regular.
Maybe now under Ole it looks the way you’re saying, but again, isn’t the plan.
Whether or not Ole signs a new contract, let’s say he does, he knows his neck will be on the line from the get go.
This scenario is different from when he first came in, but again, it’s the Owners that are holding him back.
So when we say he’s doing well under the circumstances, it isn’t that we the fans are settling for that and have lowered our standards. He is with his hands tied behind his back, is doing better than I expected of him.
But it still isn’t good enough for a club of UTDs standing... that’s not on Ole.
If the Glazers don’t want to leave they have to change their mindset and recognise what it is they have in their possession.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 38 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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this current real and barca team wouldnt finish above leicester city
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They don’t have to in order to win their league
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so uniteds situation cant be compared to la liga really
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 38 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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this current real and barca team wouldnt finish above leicester city
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They don’t have to in order to win their league
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so uniteds situation cant be compared to la liga really
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Ok
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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The reason we’ve been nowhere near the top clubs since SAF retired is our failures in the transfer market.
Whether it’s Moyes, LVG, Jose, Ole, Ed or the Glazers to blame here or it’s a collective we don’t know.
We’ve plenty just more often than not on the wrong players.
Barca and Real have made similar mistakes in recent years.
Wow, soon Ole would have had two full seasons, and unless he wins the Europa he won't have a trophy to his name. Shocking, and he inherited à wonderful squad raring to go
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
Wow, soon Ole would have had two full seasons, and unless he wins the Europa he won't have a trophy to his name. Shocking, and he inherited à wonderful squad raring to go
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Exactly. Unless we blow top 4 from here the man deserves next season imo.
He kind of didn't - unless you are practicing your use of irony.
He did inherit SOME good players, but he also inherited squad with little shape and/or gaping holes and a lot of born losers.
A product, perhaps, of the decade long problem of the club not keeping a program of rolling new for old - not helped by the academy being all but busted (compared to many others) - but really exemplified by bringing in those non- suitable for EPL success and avoiding those that would be suitable.
I'm not for condemning OGS for getting more out of a set-up, that has such a very poor front line, than it should have. For this squad, second place in this league is better than the third place it merited - Chelsea are the underachieving team the season.
And also, I really don't see that the club gave any of moyes, LvG, or jose the right length of time to sort out consistently incomplete squads. No point in doing the same with OGS.
Simply hiring & sacking and hiring & sacking is poor direction.
There is something really wrong with the club hierarchy, maybe the recent changes with fletcher and co will help.
Ole was the equivalent of a league 1 manager, and has been given 300 million in spending and little progress. And now there are talks of a 9 mill a year contract when he woukdnt get 900k a year anywhere else.
And that is why I think there will be at least a 20 year gap between us winning leagues. The damage Ole does over the next 3 years will take another huge rebuild.
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posted on 25/3/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
I very infrequently post but whenever i mention the Glazers their two chief acolytes are on me defending their honour within minutes.
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Why do the Glazers concern you so much? You post history suggests some weird obsession considering you are not a United fan.
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I find depressing that great clubs are going to shiiiiit and with the blessing of the fan base.
I really enjoyed the old United/Arsenal battles of yesteryear, i find what your respective owners are doing utterly criminal. You've gone from two teams genuinely looking to win the lot to one team happy with 4th and the other defending being 9th.
posted on 25/3/21
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 seconds ago
But as the other Glazer apologist has done a runner
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Stop being childish. No United fan on here is a Glazer apologist.
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When they personally attack someone they will never (knowingly) meet because they criticised the Glazers then what else does that make them?
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People who are fed up with posters like yourself.
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I very infrequently post but whenever i mention the Glazers their two chief acolytes are on me defending their honour within minutes.
Their a part of the problem in your club because they accept this. Like I said imagine if you had a proper owner who pushed the boat out for someone like Allegri and gave him proper backing in the market? That's the very least a club your size should expect but instead you have owners content with not challenging for silverware and fans like those two who endorse it.
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This is standard, VC my friend. Most here are used to this guy, so I suggest you just respond and laugh at him.
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I genuinely don't understand why as a general fan base you ain't demanding better.
The Glazers at any big or even medium sized club on the continent and they were hounded out years ago. Take this quote from Xavi.
Speaking to ESPNFC.com, Xavi said: "Juan Mata told me a story last year. He said that when Manchester United finished seventh (in 2013-14), the fans applauded the team at the end of the season."
"Seventh! If that happened to us in Barcelona, they'd want to kill us in our cars!"
Must he frustrating for you as you're clearly someone who wants the best for your club but have to deal with these lunatics embracing the Glazers way.
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Let me tell you something about this place, if you are in support of what Xavi is saying, you are a glory hunter or Born in the 90s/ 00s they will tell you. I am going to make a wild guess here that most of these comments comes from my fellow Brits.... we are so arrogant in our ways, that we fail to recognise there are other cultures out there that deal with things differently.
Take Roy Keane for example, always bashing players for laughing in the bloody tunnel..... The Brazil team of yester year were always doing this, of course they are envious of the England team when it comes to World Cups.
posted on 25/3/21
Speaking to ESPNFC.com, Xavi said: "Juan Mata told me a story last year. He said that when Manchester United finished seventh (in 2013-14), the fans applauded the team at the end of the season."
"Seventh! If that happened to us in Barcelona, they'd want to kill us in our cars!"
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The fans weren't applauding the team for finishing 7th. The fans would have been clapping as a sign of respect for their efforts, even if results weren't good. It's called supporting the players.
Fans of a lot of teams generally show their appreciation for the efforts of players/staff at the end of the last game of the season.
Fans also do it when their team gets relegated.
posted on 25/3/21
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 22 seconds ago
Speaking to ESPNFC.com, Xavi said: "Juan Mata told me a story last year. He said that when Manchester United finished seventh (in 2013-14), the fans applauded the team at the end of the season."
"Seventh! If that happened to us in Barcelona, they'd want to kill us in our cars!"
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The fans weren't applauding the team for finishing 7th. The fans would have been clapping as a sign of respect for their efforts, even if results weren't good. It's called supporting the players.
Fans of a lot of teams generally show their appreciation for the efforts of players/staff at the end of the last game of the season.
Fans also do it when their team gets relegated.
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I believe they were verbally abusing Paul Pogba the imbeciles.
posted on 25/3/21
The Glazers and Ed woodward.
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You are right in that aspect of things. Until we rid ourselves of the Glazers then they will always be an issue with how the club is run.
But hopefully the new changes can steer us in a much better direction than we were being steered back when Moyes was being given a six year contract.
posted on 25/3/21
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 seconds ago
But as the other Glazer apologist has done a runner
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Stop being childish. No United fan on here is a Glazer apologist.
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When they personally attack someone they will never (knowingly) meet because they criticised the Glazers then what else does that make them?
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People who are fed up with posters like yourself.
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I very infrequently post but whenever i mention the Glazers their two chief acolytes are on me defending their honour within minutes.
Their a part of the problem in your club because they accept this. Like I said imagine if you had a proper owner who pushed the boat out for someone like Allegri and gave him proper backing in the market? That's the very least a club your size should expect but instead you have owners content with not challenging for silverware and fans like those two who endorse it.
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This is standard, VC my friend. Most here are used to this guy, so I suggest you just respond and laugh at him.
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I genuinely don't understand why as a general fan base you ain't demanding better.
The Glazers at any big or even medium sized club on the continent and they were hounded out years ago. Take this quote from Xavi.
Speaking to ESPNFC.com, Xavi said: "Juan Mata told me a story last year. He said that when Manchester United finished seventh (in 2013-14), the fans applauded the team at the end of the season."
"Seventh! If that happened to us in Barcelona, they'd want to kill us in our cars!"
Must he frustrating for you as you're clearly someone who wants the best for your club but have to deal with these lunatics embracing the Glazers way.
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Let me tell you something about this place, if you are in support of what Xavi is saying, you are a glory hunter or Born in the 90s/ 00s they will tell you. I am going to make a wild guess here that most of these comments comes from my fellow Brits.... we are so arrogant in our ways, that we fail to recognise there are other cultures out there that deal with things differently.
Take Roy Keane for example, always bashing players for laughing in the bloody tunnel..... The Brazil team of yester year were always doing this, of course they are envious of the England team when it comes to World Cups.
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Re Keane I'm guessing that's why he failed in management ultimately.
His first two years at Sunderland shown he has/had something about him but I imagine his tolerance for the modern player/someone who had different ideas to him were lower than low.
Although that said is him joining Instagram and his 'bromance' with Micah a sign he's starting to meet modern football in the middle? So to speak.
posted on 25/3/21
Mitigating circumstances in 13’14 season.
The hiring of Moyes and a cultural shift the size of a Richter scale 9 earthquake, was a reset.
Fans accepted we weren’t challenging for the title.
But I think applauding the players wouldn’t have happened had Moyes stayed on...
posted on 25/3/21
Although that said is him joining Instagram and his 'bromance' with Micah a sign he's starting to meet modern football in the middle? So to speak.
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He has no choice but to do so if he wants to be a success in management. I am afraid, like Mourinho, Keane will never change.
posted on 25/3/21
Re Keane I'm guessing that's why he failed in management ultimately.
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Keane failed on management because he failed to learn from Fergie the fine line between being autocratic and not.
posted on 25/3/21
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 1 minute ago
Mitigating circumstances in 13’14 season.
The hiring of Moyes and a cultural shift the size of a Richter scale 9 earthquake, was a reset.
Fans accepted we weren’t challenging for the title.
But I think applauding the players wouldn’t have happened had Moyes stayed on...
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Why did you need to have a complete reset? You were Champions and has a shiiit load of money.
You think Real, Barca or Bayern would take a voluntarily slide down the league for the sake of a process/rebuild? One which still hasn't come to fruition the best part of a decade later!
posted on 25/3/21
You think Real, Barca or Bayern would take a voluntarily slide down the league for the sake of a process/rebuild?
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We didn’t do it voluntary. We made a very poor appointment after SAF.
posted on 25/3/21
Oh and Bayern, Barca and Real have done just that in their history and will undoubtedly do it again.
posted on 25/3/21
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 1 minute ago
Mitigating circumstances in 13’14 season.
The hiring of Moyes and a cultural shift the size of a Richter scale 9 earthquake, was a reset.
Fans accepted we weren’t challenging for the title.
But I think applauding the players wouldn’t have happened had Moyes stayed on...
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Why did you need to have a complete reset? You were Champions and has a shiiit load of money.
You think Real, Barca or Bayern would take a voluntarily slide down the league for the sake of a process/rebuild? One which still hasn't come to fruition the best part of a decade later!
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Hey, I didn’t approve the idea, I agree there was no need for a total reset. But you’re dealing with money men, not winners. I was against it, but UTD wanted things to be smooth in transitioning over to Moyes, lazily leaving it all on SAF, when someone should’ve done their due diligence and asked if this was the right way to go about things...
The 6 year contract says it all... which bonehead decided that?! Then to sack him 7 months in showed nobody had a clue.
posted on 25/3/21
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 38 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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this current real and barca team wouldnt finish above leicester city
posted on 25/3/21
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Anne Ziety (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 1 minute ago
Mitigating circumstances in 13’14 season.
The hiring of Moyes and a cultural shift the size of a Richter scale 9 earthquake, was a reset.
Fans accepted we weren’t challenging for the title.
But I think applauding the players wouldn’t have happened had Moyes stayed on...
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Why did you need to have a complete reset? You were Champions and has a shiiit load of money.
You think Real, Barca or Bayern would take a voluntarily slide down the league for the sake of a process/rebuild? One which still hasn't come to fruition the best part of a decade later!
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Hey, I didn’t approve the idea, I agree there was no need for a total reset. But you’re dealing with money men, not winners. I was against it, but UTD wanted things to be smooth in transitioning over to Moyes, lazily leaving it all on SAF, when someone should’ve done their due diligence and asked if this was the right way to go about things...
The 6 year contract says it all... which bonehead decided that?! Then to sack him 7 months in showed nobody had a clue.
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SAF was best placed to choose his successor, cant really go against the great mans recommendation
A reset was needed as we had one man in charge for decades and the squad was ageing and needed a rebuild
6 year contract was meant to be a sign of faith and wanting someone to build a legacy again, it didn't work out and football has moved on.
it dont hold any anger over it, the only decision i've hated of the clubs was hiring Jose. that set us back a lot.
posted on 25/3/21
it dont hold any anger over it, the only decision i've hated of the clubs was hiring Jose. that set us back a lot.
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Jose should have been the one to replace SAF in my opinion. I said this on here when we appointed Moyes.
posted on 25/3/21
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 38 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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this current real and barca team wouldnt finish above leicester city
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They don’t have to in order to win their league
posted on 25/3/21
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 38 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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I don’t think the intention of the rebuild was to have us as you’ve said. 0 trophies and Europy.
LvG and Jose won trophies, but couldn’t keep us in C.L. Or challenge for the title.
Why wasn’t the FA cup good enough. Why wasn’t Europa good enough. No, they want Champions League. Regular.
Maybe now under Ole it looks the way you’re saying, but again, isn’t the plan.
Whether or not Ole signs a new contract, let’s say he does, he knows his neck will be on the line from the get go.
This scenario is different from when he first came in, but again, it’s the Owners that are holding him back.
So when we say he’s doing well under the circumstances, it isn’t that we the fans are settling for that and have lowered our standards. He is with his hands tied behind his back, is doing better than I expected of him.
But it still isn’t good enough for a club of UTDs standing... that’s not on Ole.
If the Glazers don’t want to leave they have to change their mindset and recognise what it is they have in their possession.
posted on 25/3/21
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 38 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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this current real and barca team wouldnt finish above leicester city
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They don’t have to in order to win their league
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so uniteds situation cant be compared to la liga really
posted on 25/3/21
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Lurker - "We did it on derby day" (U21432)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 38 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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this current real and barca team wouldnt finish above leicester city
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They don’t have to in order to win their league
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so uniteds situation cant be compared to la liga really
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Ok
posted on 25/3/21
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
Real Madrid and Barcelona's 'rebuild' constitutes winning titles and getting to CL knockout stages.
Manchester United's 'rebuild' constitutes 0 trophies, competing for top 4 and UEL knockout stages.
The levels are staggering.
We are no where close.
Wow! People actually writing sense.
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The reason we’ve been nowhere near the top clubs since SAF retired is our failures in the transfer market.
Whether it’s Moyes, LVG, Jose, Ole, Ed or the Glazers to blame here or it’s a collective we don’t know.
We’ve plenty just more often than not on the wrong players.
Barca and Real have made similar mistakes in recent years.
posted on 25/3/21
Wow, soon Ole would have had two full seasons, and unless he wins the Europa he won't have a trophy to his name. Shocking, and he inherited à wonderful squad raring to go
posted on 25/3/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
Wow, soon Ole would have had two full seasons, and unless he wins the Europa he won't have a trophy to his name. Shocking, and he inherited à wonderful squad raring to go
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Exactly. Unless we blow top 4 from here the man deserves next season imo.
posted on 26/3/21
He kind of didn't - unless you are practicing your use of irony.
He did inherit SOME good players, but he also inherited squad with little shape and/or gaping holes and a lot of born losers.
A product, perhaps, of the decade long problem of the club not keeping a program of rolling new for old - not helped by the academy being all but busted (compared to many others) - but really exemplified by bringing in those non- suitable for EPL success and avoiding those that would be suitable.
I'm not for condemning OGS for getting more out of a set-up, that has such a very poor front line, than it should have. For this squad, second place in this league is better than the third place it merited - Chelsea are the underachieving team the season.
And also, I really don't see that the club gave any of moyes, LvG, or jose the right length of time to sort out consistently incomplete squads. No point in doing the same with OGS.
Simply hiring & sacking and hiring & sacking is poor direction.
posted on 27/3/21
There is something really wrong with the club hierarchy, maybe the recent changes with fletcher and co will help.
Ole was the equivalent of a league 1 manager, and has been given 300 million in spending and little progress. And now there are talks of a 9 mill a year contract when he woukdnt get 900k a year anywhere else.
And that is why I think there will be at least a 20 year gap between us winning leagues. The damage Ole does over the next 3 years will take another huge rebuild.
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