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I think it is fundamental that we try to improve all of these disparities but if we keep focusing on racism, we won’t make large improvements. The focus should be on the culture, environment and family structure etc.
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I think every aspect should be considered. Taking racism out of it is to ignore the context that the debate is occurring in. Ideally we'll get to the stage you're talking about but it's pretty clear we're not there yet.
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Yeah but racism is all we ever really hear about these days, it’s very much the main focus when looking at disparities and it’s not helpful if I am right for example and it’s not the main causal factor at play.
Discipline- discipline has disintegrated a lot in this country. That’s something I would put probably top of the list. Not an easy fix either but sorting that would have a huge impact on future generations on crime, education and employment.
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Sorry but I think it's just whataboutism. You can care about discipline and family values etc and address racism.
You haven't demonstrated how you're right though. Indian people aside - for the reasons you've given - seem to be doing OK. But you haven't demonstrated that they're not victims of racism. Maybe they could be doing even better in a truly equal Britain. Or how their experience applies to other minorities.
You might not like hearing about racial discrimination but it's a reality. You might disagree with the sum effect on minorities' opportunities but surely you accept it is a real thing? If so, you must accept that ignoring it will not lead to improvements. At best it'll stay the same.
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Bales - I really don’t know what you’re reading mate but it doesn’t seem to be what I’m writing.
Of course you can care about both - but when was the last time you saw months and months of news articles, air time, protests and societal push against slipping discipline etc?
I’m not trying to demonstrate that they’re not victims of racism? Never have and probably never will in my lifetime. The topic was about system racism, not racism in general.
Why might I not like hearing another racial discrimination? Why do you keep saying these things to me? I might not like diversity (last long term girlfriend was British Pakistani Muslim, best mate is also British Pakistani Muslim) and now apparently I don’t like hearing about racial discrimination? Why do I have to tell you that it’s a real thing? What on earth have I said that makes you think I don’t think there is any effect on opportunities for minorities and therefore have to reply saying it’s a real thing?
I’m disagreeing with a statement that the country is systemically racist. Much like I would disagree that the country is racist. Just because racism exists doesn’t make the country racist. Same applies to the systemic aspect.
I think I’m gonna leave it there mate as this is turning into goal post shifting and you putting words in my mouth for no reason whatsoever.
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It seems your point is too abstract to really make any sense to me in the context of a regular conversation.
How can a country be racist if not for the actions of the individuals?
I've made the points I have in response to your comments that one group doing well demonstrates that systemic racism isn't an issue. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary but you want the debate to focus on family life and discipline. You're the one trying to derail things rather than discuss the issue at hand.
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See above for correction re 'major factor'.
You can repeat your belief that the UK isn't systemically racist but that report I dug up contains plenty of evidence for the contrary. You have doubled down on your assertion that the experience of one group disputes that, with nothing to back it up other than your opinion.
That's fine. Though it has left us at an impasse, clearly.
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comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
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Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
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I suffer from mental health problems, as you can read over ten years of madness, but I do not say only this matters, ignore the sane folk, they have it easy and are evil.
I am depressed, Fook the cancer patients, my issues are more vital.
I actually get police brutality and black people getting racist abuse and support black people who suffer.
Some in BLM are just numptoes and racist though.
Surely, it must be harder for some people to understand racism and how it works than it is for other people. Just because you're alive doesn't necessarily mean you understand it as easily as the next guy.
I don't think racism is the only negative force in society. It's not "all down to systemic racism" and I don't think anyone has really made that claim. Putting it all down to systemic racism creates an argument that's is easy to defeat but that's not really the argument, is it?
Indian and Bangladeshi performances do not really differ unless you're chosing a very specific issue to look at. Such an issue will usually have some other explanation besides systemic racism. The law of probability suggests some performances will be different and others will be similar. The thing that causes differing performances/outcomes is not the same thing that causes similar outcomes.
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I think it is fundamental that we try to improve all of these disparities but if we keep focusing on racism, we won’t make large improvements. The focus should be on the culture, environment and family structure etc.
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I think every aspect should be considered. Taking racism out of it is to ignore the context that the debate is occurring in. Ideally we'll get to the stage you're talking about but it's pretty clear we're not there yet.
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Yeah but racism is all we ever really hear about these days, it’s very much the main focus when looking at disparities and it’s not helpful if I am right for example and it’s not the main causal factor at play.
Discipline- discipline has disintegrated a lot in this country. That’s something I would put probably top of the list. Not an easy fix either but sorting that would have a huge impact on future generations on crime, education and employment.
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Sorry but I think it's just whataboutism. You can care about discipline and family values etc and address racism.
You haven't demonstrated how you're right though. Indian people aside - for the reasons you've given - seem to be doing OK. But you haven't demonstrated that they're not victims of racism. Maybe they could be doing even better in a truly equal Britain. Or how their experience applies to other minorities.
You might not like hearing about racial discrimination but it's a reality. You might disagree with the sum effect on minorities' opportunities but surely you accept it is a real thing? If so, you must accept that ignoring it will not lead to improvements. At best it'll stay the same.
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Bales - I really don’t know what you’re reading mate but it doesn’t seem to be what I’m writing.
Of course you can care about both - but when was the last time you saw months and months of news articles, air time, protests and societal push against slipping discipline etc?
I’m not trying to demonstrate that they’re not victims of racism? Never have and probably never will in my lifetime. The topic was about system racism, not racism in general.
Why might I not like hearing another racial discrimination? Why do you keep saying these things to me? I might not like diversity (last long term girlfriend was British Pakistani Muslim, best mate is also British Pakistani Muslim) and now apparently I don’t like hearing about racial discrimination? Why do I have to tell you that it’s a real thing? What on earth have I said that makes you think I don’t think there is any effect on opportunities for minorities and therefore have to reply saying it’s a real thing?
I’m disagreeing with a statement that the country is systemically racist. Much like I would disagree that the country is racist. Just because racism exists doesn’t make the country racist. Same applies to the systemic aspect.
I think I’m gonna leave it there mate as this is turning into goal post shifting and you putting words in my mouth for no reason whatsoever.
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It seems your point is too abstract to really make any sense to me in the context of a regular conversation.
How can a country be racist if not for the actions of the individuals?
I've made the points I have in response to your comments that one group doing well demonstrates that systemic racism isn't an issue. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary but you want the debate to focus on family life and discipline. You're the one trying to derail things rather than discuss the issue at hand.
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See above for correction re 'major factor'.
You can repeat your belief that the UK isn't systemically racist but that report I dug up contains plenty of evidence for the contrary. You have doubled down on your assertion that the experience of one group disputes that, with nothing to back it up other than your opinion.
That's fine. Though it has left us at an impasse, clearly.
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Ok
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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
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Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Of course they are. Daft question.
This is why people are demonstrating and asking for school curriculums to be inclusive. Failing to teach kids the truth leads to ignorance in adult hood in respect of what you failed to teach them.
Comments like this one originate from a lack of knowledge and half truths in education and once the dog is old it doesn't accept new tricks.
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No responsibility on the African people then?
Rawanda was white racism?
Only bad stuff emanates from pale skins and black or brown people never took slaves, went to war, invaded other regions, stole other lands etc.
Okay lmao
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Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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Do they have the same numbers when it comes to membership? I think one has a larger population and therefore more complex logistics.
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Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
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It's those charities for the poor people that get me. Where's all the help for the wealthy? PC gone mad
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Dude, that is not worthy.
Oh you're both here trolling again. Reminds me of the Megan Markle thread.
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Why is it that the biggest racist on this site, cries racism the loudest?
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Oh how you and your ilk would love to bully me off the site with your lies and bile.
No today Satan.
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You should be banned off the site for your clear racism, you’re a total loon
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For once we agree
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posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 38 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Of course they are. Daft question.
This is why people are demonstrating and asking for school curriculums to be inclusive. Failing to teach kids the truth leads to ignorance in adult hood in respect of what you failed to teach them.
Comments like this one originate from a lack of knowledge and half truths in education and once the dog is old it doesn't accept new tricks.
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No responsibility on the African people then?
Rawanda was white racism?
Only bad stuff emanates from pale skins and black or brown people never took slaves, went to war, invaded other regions, stole other lands etc.
Okay lmao
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When in a hole, stop digging.
Yes, the Rwanda thing as well as most feuds, coups and wars in Africa can be directly traced to colonial powers and their policy of divide and rule, employed in Africa with great vigour and success
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
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Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
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I suffer from mental health problems, as you can read over ten years of madness, but I do not say only this matters, ignore the sane folk, they have it easy and are evil.
I am depressed, Fook the cancer patients, my issues are more vital.
I actually get police brutality and black people getting racist abuse and support black people who suffer.
Some in BLM are just numptoes and racist though.
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People with mental health issues try to kill people with no mental health issues mate. It's a fact. Therefore your cause deserves no merit, if you're going to keep trying to kill us like that, you're not going to get any sympathy. Lack of mental health issues matter.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
Surely, it must be harder for some people to understand racism and how it works than it is for other people. Just because you're alive doesn't necessarily mean you understand it as easily as the next guy.
I don't think racism is the only negative force in society. It's not "all down to systemic racism" and I don't think anyone has really made that claim. Putting it all down to systemic racism creates an argument that's is easy to defeat but that's not really the argument, is it?
Indian and Bangladeshi performances do not really differ unless you're chosing a very specific issue to look at. Such an issue will usually have some other explanation besides systemic racism. The law of probability suggests some performances will be different and others will be similar. The thing that causes differing performances/outcomes is not the same thing that causes similar outcomes.
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If you live in a black African state 100 per cent black, how will racism impact you?
NI is about 98 % white, so how does race impact us?
In places such as China, Middle East, Africa, people are often 98 homogenous, so are they racist?
Racism now is an issue where black and brown have moved th white Europe, or where Slaves were brought to America, so it's a problem when people of colour move or get taken to white nations...would you agree.
So, how do we solve that?
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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Do they have the same numbers when it comes to membership? I think one has a larger population and therefore more complex logistics.
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Pets v kids.
Hmmm
So anyway, looking at performances that differ greatly to make a point but those are hardly influenced by racism. They are influenced more by other issues. When Indian and Bangladeshi performances are the same or near the same then that's where proof of systemic racism exists.
As mentioned we can't be systemically racist towards Bangladeshis but less so Indians. But racism exists so we are probably racist against them all to some degree and therefore, in order to find proof of systemic racism, you cannot use a parameter that measures the differences between them, that's patently misleading and will always lead to the answer you want to see. It's applying the wrong formula to a math problem.
It's like being asked to calculate the permiter of a triangle but calculating it's area instead and then you say, "see, there is no perimeter, just area". Of course area is all you have because that's what you calculated. You don't have perimeter because you did not calculate perimeter. Unless you change your formula and apply the correct one (sum total of all sides vs height multiplied by width) then you'll never get it right.
Basically, to measure systemic racism, you must rely on parameters that measure the things that are the same between Bangladeshis and Indians. Relying on the differences is a test for something else, not systemic racism.
So some things differ between them because of other factors, but other things are similar because of systemic racism. Systemic racism does not mean that differing performances should be non existent. These differences will still occur because racism isn't the only force on earth. It's far more likely that similar performances are down to systemic racism.
You must separate that which caused by other factors and what's caused by systemic racism and not be confused by the two and see them as one and the same thing.
Some people think in straight lines and right angles only, and you might waste a lot of time providing solid proof only to wake up the next morning to find them asking the same question to a different audience as if you didn't already prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Racism isn't like a tsunami that just levels everyone and everything. The result isn't the same for all. In fact, this can be extrapolated down to the individual as people raised or living in similar conditions can still have completely different outcomes. That's not proof that systemic racism does or doesn't exist. If the racism is the same the the result should be the same. Therefore there must be some social.or cultural factor that negates that particular racial effect. The proof of systemic racism is in the similar outcomes.
The number of black people in the NFL is greater than latinos. That proves there must be some social factor that makes that the case. It's not proof that systemic racism exists or doesn't. But if both black people and latinos are being policed more and therefore arrested more and given longer sentences then the similar outcome is proof of systemic racism. The clue is in the word systemic.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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Do they have the same numbers when it comes to membership? I think one has a larger population and therefore more complex logistics.
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Pets v kids.
Hmmm
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Zactly
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
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I suffer from mental health problems, as you can read over ten years of madness, but I do not say only this matters, ignore the sane folk, they have it easy and are evil.
I am depressed, Fook the cancer patients, my issues are more vital.
I actually get police brutality and black people getting racist abuse and support black people who suffer.
Some in BLM are just numptoes and racist though.
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People with mental health issues try to kill people with no mental health issues mate. It's a fact. Therefore your cause deserves no merit, if you're going to keep trying to kill us like that, you're not going to get any sympathy. Lack of mental health issues matter.
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Makes sense, good point well argued, Danny.
Black lives matter, as do white, Chinese and brown lives.
PC gone mad.
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posted 7 minutes ago
Oh you're both here trolling again. Reminds me of the Megan Markle thread.
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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Do they have the same numbers when it comes to membership? I think one has a larger population and therefore more complex logistics.
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Pets v kids.
Hmmm
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Zactly
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Puppies are cute, but orphans, meh
Humans and animals are all the same really. All depends on the owners how they turn out.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
So anyway, looking at performances that differ greatly to make a point but those are hardly influenced by racism. They are influenced more by other issues. When Indian and Bangladeshi performances are the same or near the same then that's where proof of systemic racism exists.
As mentioned we can't be systemically racist towards Bangladeshis but less so Indians. But racism exists so we are probably racist against them all to some degree and therefore, in order to find proof of systemic racism, you cannot use a parameter that measures the differences between them, that's patently misleading and will always lead to the answer you want to see. It's applying the wrong formula to a math problem.
It's like being asked to calculate the permiter of a triangle but calculating it's area instead and then you say, "see, there is no perimeter, just area". Of course area is all you have because that's what you calculated. You don't have perimeter because you did not calculate perimeter. Unless you change your formula and apply the correct one (sum total of all sides vs height multiplied by width) then you'll never get it right.
Basically, to measure systemic racism, you must rely on parameters that measure the things that are the same between Bangladeshis and Indians. Relying on the differences is a test for something else, not systemic racism.
So some things differ between them because of other factors, but other things are similar because of systemic racism. Systemic racism does not mean that differing performances should be non existent. These differences will still occur because racism isn't the only force on earth. It's far more likely that similar performances are down to systemic racism.
You must separate that which caused by other factors and what's caused by systemic racism and not be confused by the two and see them as one and the same thing.
Some people think in straight lines and right angles only, and you might waste a lot of time providing solid proof only to wake up the next morning to find them asking the same question to a different audience as if you didn't already prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Racism isn't like a tsunami that just levels everyone and everything. The result isn't the same for all. In fact, this can be extrapolated down to the individual as people raised or living in similar conditions can still have completely different outcomes. That's not proof that systemic racism does or doesn't exist. If the racism is the same the the result should be the same. Therefore there must be some social.or cultural factor that negates that particular racial effect. The proof of systemic racism is in the similar outcomes.
The number of black people in the NFL is greater than latinos. That proves there must be some social factor that makes that the case. It's not proof that systemic racism exists or doesn't. But if both black people and latinos are being policed more and therefore arrested more and given longer sentences then the similar outcome is proof of systemic racism. The clue is in the word systemic.
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You mention NFL being 70 per cent black, so is that racist against whites, the 70 per cent commu ity?
If a company is mainly white, is it racist?
Chicago black on black killings is 600 annually, so is that whites fault?
London knife crime is black killing black, but is that racist?
If the EPL is minority white English, is that racist?
If White kids fail at school, is that racist.
Just asking, as covid, vaccines and NHS are racist.
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
Humans and animals are all the same really. All depends on the owners how they turn out.
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Shame we're not allowed to own humans anymore though eh? *chuckles in Brexit*
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
Humans and animals are all the same really. All depends on the owners how they turn out.
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How many humans do you own?
Remember, slavery is bad.
Unless it is African slavery or taking white slaves or human trafficking as that is kinda ignored or hushed up.
You mention NFL being 70 per cent black, so is that racist against whites, the 70 per cent commu ity?
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Nope.
Not all disparities are because of race mate. Sports is one of the few areas where meritocracy can actually be applied effectively and that should explain that disparity.
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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Do they have the same numbers when it comes to membership? I think one has a larger population and therefore more complex logistics.
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Pets v kids.
Hmmm
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Zactly
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Puppies are cute, but orphans, meh
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Would give money to animals before children any day of the week. At least 50% of those kids will grow up to be massive cants.
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I think it is fundamental that we try to improve all of these disparities but if we keep focusing on racism, we won’t make large improvements. The focus should be on the culture, environment and family structure etc.
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I think every aspect should be considered. Taking racism out of it is to ignore the context that the debate is occurring in. Ideally we'll get to the stage you're talking about but it's pretty clear we're not there yet.
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Yeah but racism is all we ever really hear about these days, it’s very much the main focus when looking at disparities and it’s not helpful if I am right for example and it’s not the main causal factor at play.
Discipline- discipline has disintegrated a lot in this country. That’s something I would put probably top of the list. Not an easy fix either but sorting that would have a huge impact on future generations on crime, education and employment.
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Sorry but I think it's just whataboutism. You can care about discipline and family values etc and address racism.
You haven't demonstrated how you're right though. Indian people aside - for the reasons you've given - seem to be doing OK. But you haven't demonstrated that they're not victims of racism. Maybe they could be doing even better in a truly equal Britain. Or how their experience applies to other minorities.
You might not like hearing about racial discrimination but it's a reality. You might disagree with the sum effect on minorities' opportunities but surely you accept it is a real thing? If so, you must accept that ignoring it will not lead to improvements. At best it'll stay the same.
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Bales - I really don’t know what you’re reading mate but it doesn’t seem to be what I’m writing.
Of course you can care about both - but when was the last time you saw months and months of news articles, air time, protests and societal push against slipping discipline etc?
I’m not trying to demonstrate that they’re not victims of racism? Never have and probably never will in my lifetime. The topic was about system racism, not racism in general.
Why might I not like hearing another racial discrimination? Why do you keep saying these things to me? I might not like diversity (last long term girlfriend was British Pakistani Muslim, best mate is also British Pakistani Muslim) and now apparently I don’t like hearing about racial discrimination? Why do I have to tell you that it’s a real thing? What on earth have I said that makes you think I don’t think there is any effect on opportunities for minorities and therefore have to reply saying it’s a real thing?
I’m disagreeing with a statement that the country is systemically racist. Much like I would disagree that the country is racist. Just because racism exists doesn’t make the country racist. Same applies to the systemic aspect.
I think I’m gonna leave it there mate as this is turning into goal post shifting and you putting words in my mouth for no reason whatsoever.
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It seems your point is too abstract to really make any sense to me in the context of a regular conversation.
How can a country be racist if not for the actions of the individuals?
I've made the points I have in response to your comments that one group doing well demonstrates that systemic racism isn't an issue. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary but you want the debate to focus on family life and discipline. You're the one trying to derail things rather than discuss the issue at hand.
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See above for correction re 'major factor'.
You can repeat your belief that the UK isn't systemically racist but that report I dug up contains plenty of evidence for the contrary. You have doubled down on your assertion that the experience of one group disputes that, with nothing to back it up other than your opinion.
That's fine. Though it has left us at an impasse, clearly.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
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I suffer from mental health problems, as you can read over ten years of madness, but I do not say only this matters, ignore the sane folk, they have it easy and are evil.
I am depressed, Fook the cancer patients, my issues are more vital.
I actually get police brutality and black people getting racist abuse and support black people who suffer.
Some in BLM are just numptoes and racist though.
posted on 31/3/21
Surely, it must be harder for some people to understand racism and how it works than it is for other people. Just because you're alive doesn't necessarily mean you understand it as easily as the next guy.
I don't think racism is the only negative force in society. It's not "all down to systemic racism" and I don't think anyone has really made that claim. Putting it all down to systemic racism creates an argument that's is easy to defeat but that's not really the argument, is it?
Indian and Bangladeshi performances do not really differ unless you're chosing a very specific issue to look at. Such an issue will usually have some other explanation besides systemic racism. The law of probability suggests some performances will be different and others will be similar. The thing that causes differing performances/outcomes is not the same thing that causes similar outcomes.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think it is fundamental that we try to improve all of these disparities but if we keep focusing on racism, we won’t make large improvements. The focus should be on the culture, environment and family structure etc.
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I think every aspect should be considered. Taking racism out of it is to ignore the context that the debate is occurring in. Ideally we'll get to the stage you're talking about but it's pretty clear we're not there yet.
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Yeah but racism is all we ever really hear about these days, it’s very much the main focus when looking at disparities and it’s not helpful if I am right for example and it’s not the main causal factor at play.
Discipline- discipline has disintegrated a lot in this country. That’s something I would put probably top of the list. Not an easy fix either but sorting that would have a huge impact on future generations on crime, education and employment.
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Sorry but I think it's just whataboutism. You can care about discipline and family values etc and address racism.
You haven't demonstrated how you're right though. Indian people aside - for the reasons you've given - seem to be doing OK. But you haven't demonstrated that they're not victims of racism. Maybe they could be doing even better in a truly equal Britain. Or how their experience applies to other minorities.
You might not like hearing about racial discrimination but it's a reality. You might disagree with the sum effect on minorities' opportunities but surely you accept it is a real thing? If so, you must accept that ignoring it will not lead to improvements. At best it'll stay the same.
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Bales - I really don’t know what you’re reading mate but it doesn’t seem to be what I’m writing.
Of course you can care about both - but when was the last time you saw months and months of news articles, air time, protests and societal push against slipping discipline etc?
I’m not trying to demonstrate that they’re not victims of racism? Never have and probably never will in my lifetime. The topic was about system racism, not racism in general.
Why might I not like hearing another racial discrimination? Why do you keep saying these things to me? I might not like diversity (last long term girlfriend was British Pakistani Muslim, best mate is also British Pakistani Muslim) and now apparently I don’t like hearing about racial discrimination? Why do I have to tell you that it’s a real thing? What on earth have I said that makes you think I don’t think there is any effect on opportunities for minorities and therefore have to reply saying it’s a real thing?
I’m disagreeing with a statement that the country is systemically racist. Much like I would disagree that the country is racist. Just because racism exists doesn’t make the country racist. Same applies to the systemic aspect.
I think I’m gonna leave it there mate as this is turning into goal post shifting and you putting words in my mouth for no reason whatsoever.
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It seems your point is too abstract to really make any sense to me in the context of a regular conversation.
How can a country be racist if not for the actions of the individuals?
I've made the points I have in response to your comments that one group doing well demonstrates that systemic racism isn't an issue. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary but you want the debate to focus on family life and discipline. You're the one trying to derail things rather than discuss the issue at hand.
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Ok
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See above for correction re 'major factor'.
You can repeat your belief that the UK isn't systemically racist but that report I dug up contains plenty of evidence for the contrary. You have doubled down on your assertion that the experience of one group disputes that, with nothing to back it up other than your opinion.
That's fine. Though it has left us at an impasse, clearly.
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Ok
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 38 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Of course they are. Daft question.
This is why people are demonstrating and asking for school curriculums to be inclusive. Failing to teach kids the truth leads to ignorance in adult hood in respect of what you failed to teach them.
Comments like this one originate from a lack of knowledge and half truths in education and once the dog is old it doesn't accept new tricks.
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No responsibility on the African people then?
Rawanda was white racism?
Only bad stuff emanates from pale skins and black or brown people never took slaves, went to war, invaded other regions, stole other lands etc.
Okay lmao
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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Do they have the same numbers when it comes to membership? I think one has a larger population and therefore more complex logistics.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
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Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
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It's those charities for the poor people that get me. Where's all the help for the wealthy? PC gone mad
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Dude, that is not worthy.
posted on 31/3/21
Oh you're both here trolling again. Reminds me of the Megan Markle thread.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 6 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 15 minutes ago
Why is it that the biggest racist on this site, cries racism the loudest?
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Oh how you and your ilk would love to bully me off the site with your lies and bile.
No today Satan.
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You should be banned off the site for your clear racism, you’re a total loon
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For once we agree
posted on 31/3/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 38 minutes ago
Africa is a shambles.
Are white people to blame?
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Of course they are. Daft question.
This is why people are demonstrating and asking for school curriculums to be inclusive. Failing to teach kids the truth leads to ignorance in adult hood in respect of what you failed to teach them.
Comments like this one originate from a lack of knowledge and half truths in education and once the dog is old it doesn't accept new tricks.
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No responsibility on the African people then?
Rawanda was white racism?
Only bad stuff emanates from pale skins and black or brown people never took slaves, went to war, invaded other regions, stole other lands etc.
Okay lmao
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When in a hole, stop digging.
Yes, the Rwanda thing as well as most feuds, coups and wars in Africa can be directly traced to colonial powers and their policy of divide and rule, employed in Africa with great vigour and success
posted on 31/3/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
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Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
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I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
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If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
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I suffer from mental health problems, as you can read over ten years of madness, but I do not say only this matters, ignore the sane folk, they have it easy and are evil.
I am depressed, Fook the cancer patients, my issues are more vital.
I actually get police brutality and black people getting racist abuse and support black people who suffer.
Some in BLM are just numptoes and racist though.
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People with mental health issues try to kill people with no mental health issues mate. It's a fact. Therefore your cause deserves no merit, if you're going to keep trying to kill us like that, you're not going to get any sympathy. Lack of mental health issues matter.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
Surely, it must be harder for some people to understand racism and how it works than it is for other people. Just because you're alive doesn't necessarily mean you understand it as easily as the next guy.
I don't think racism is the only negative force in society. It's not "all down to systemic racism" and I don't think anyone has really made that claim. Putting it all down to systemic racism creates an argument that's is easy to defeat but that's not really the argument, is it?
Indian and Bangladeshi performances do not really differ unless you're chosing a very specific issue to look at. Such an issue will usually have some other explanation besides systemic racism. The law of probability suggests some performances will be different and others will be similar. The thing that causes differing performances/outcomes is not the same thing that causes similar outcomes.
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If you live in a black African state 100 per cent black, how will racism impact you?
NI is about 98 % white, so how does race impact us?
In places such as China, Middle East, Africa, people are often 98 homogenous, so are they racist?
Racism now is an issue where black and brown have moved th white Europe, or where Slaves were brought to America, so it's a problem when people of colour move or get taken to white nations...would you agree.
So, how do we solve that?
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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Do they have the same numbers when it comes to membership? I think one has a larger population and therefore more complex logistics.
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Pets v kids.
Hmmm
posted on 31/3/21
So anyway, looking at performances that differ greatly to make a point but those are hardly influenced by racism. They are influenced more by other issues. When Indian and Bangladeshi performances are the same or near the same then that's where proof of systemic racism exists.
As mentioned we can't be systemically racist towards Bangladeshis but less so Indians. But racism exists so we are probably racist against them all to some degree and therefore, in order to find proof of systemic racism, you cannot use a parameter that measures the differences between them, that's patently misleading and will always lead to the answer you want to see. It's applying the wrong formula to a math problem.
It's like being asked to calculate the permiter of a triangle but calculating it's area instead and then you say, "see, there is no perimeter, just area". Of course area is all you have because that's what you calculated. You don't have perimeter because you did not calculate perimeter. Unless you change your formula and apply the correct one (sum total of all sides vs height multiplied by width) then you'll never get it right.
Basically, to measure systemic racism, you must rely on parameters that measure the things that are the same between Bangladeshis and Indians. Relying on the differences is a test for something else, not systemic racism.
So some things differ between them because of other factors, but other things are similar because of systemic racism. Systemic racism does not mean that differing performances should be non existent. These differences will still occur because racism isn't the only force on earth. It's far more likely that similar performances are down to systemic racism.
You must separate that which caused by other factors and what's caused by systemic racism and not be confused by the two and see them as one and the same thing.
Some people think in straight lines and right angles only, and you might waste a lot of time providing solid proof only to wake up the next morning to find them asking the same question to a different audience as if you didn't already prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Racism isn't like a tsunami that just levels everyone and everything. The result isn't the same for all. In fact, this can be extrapolated down to the individual as people raised or living in similar conditions can still have completely different outcomes. That's not proof that systemic racism does or doesn't exist. If the racism is the same the the result should be the same. Therefore there must be some social.or cultural factor that negates that particular racial effect. The proof of systemic racism is in the similar outcomes.
The number of black people in the NFL is greater than latinos. That proves there must be some social factor that makes that the case. It's not proof that systemic racism exists or doesn't. But if both black people and latinos are being policed more and therefore arrested more and given longer sentences then the similar outcome is proof of systemic racism. The clue is in the word systemic.
posted on 31/3/21
posted on 31/3/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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Do they have the same numbers when it comes to membership? I think one has a larger population and therefore more complex logistics.
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Pets v kids.
Hmmm
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Zactly
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 6 minutes ago
Did we get to white lives matter already? Christ.
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Do they not?
You do realise white people are just the same as everyone else, right?
Personally, I think being called white, brown etc is boring, but yea, white lives matter too.
If that is an issue, you have a problem.
Made up slogans only black lives matter are meh
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not one slogan has ever said only black lives matter, if u feel the need to add words to slogans that don't exist then u crack on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have seen and heard no lives matter until black lives matter, in response to Jewish comments, and the rapper who spouted this was condemned....it was a widely held view, last year in BLM bandwagon days.
Do black lives matter more than others?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I list a bunch of children's charities, you going to write to them asking "what about adults?"
RSPB? Why not RSPH?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Campaign to raise awareness of mental health issues? What about us that don't have mental health issues? Do we not matter???
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I suffer from mental health problems, as you can read over ten years of madness, but I do not say only this matters, ignore the sane folk, they have it easy and are evil.
I am depressed, Fook the cancer patients, my issues are more vital.
I actually get police brutality and black people getting racist abuse and support black people who suffer.
Some in BLM are just numptoes and racist though.
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People with mental health issues try to kill people with no mental health issues mate. It's a fact. Therefore your cause deserves no merit, if you're going to keep trying to kill us like that, you're not going to get any sympathy. Lack of mental health issues matter.
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Makes sense, good point well argued, Danny.
Black lives matter, as do white, Chinese and brown lives.
PC gone mad.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 7 minutes ago
Oh you're both here trolling again. Reminds me of the Megan Markle thread.
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?
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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Do they have the same numbers when it comes to membership? I think one has a larger population and therefore more complex logistics.
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Pets v kids.
Hmmm
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Zactly
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Puppies are cute, but orphans, meh
posted on 31/3/21
Humans and animals are all the same really. All depends on the owners how they turn out.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
So anyway, looking at performances that differ greatly to make a point but those are hardly influenced by racism. They are influenced more by other issues. When Indian and Bangladeshi performances are the same or near the same then that's where proof of systemic racism exists.
As mentioned we can't be systemically racist towards Bangladeshis but less so Indians. But racism exists so we are probably racist against them all to some degree and therefore, in order to find proof of systemic racism, you cannot use a parameter that measures the differences between them, that's patently misleading and will always lead to the answer you want to see. It's applying the wrong formula to a math problem.
It's like being asked to calculate the permiter of a triangle but calculating it's area instead and then you say, "see, there is no perimeter, just area". Of course area is all you have because that's what you calculated. You don't have perimeter because you did not calculate perimeter. Unless you change your formula and apply the correct one (sum total of all sides vs height multiplied by width) then you'll never get it right.
Basically, to measure systemic racism, you must rely on parameters that measure the things that are the same between Bangladeshis and Indians. Relying on the differences is a test for something else, not systemic racism.
So some things differ between them because of other factors, but other things are similar because of systemic racism. Systemic racism does not mean that differing performances should be non existent. These differences will still occur because racism isn't the only force on earth. It's far more likely that similar performances are down to systemic racism.
You must separate that which caused by other factors and what's caused by systemic racism and not be confused by the two and see them as one and the same thing.
Some people think in straight lines and right angles only, and you might waste a lot of time providing solid proof only to wake up the next morning to find them asking the same question to a different audience as if you didn't already prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Racism isn't like a tsunami that just levels everyone and everything. The result isn't the same for all. In fact, this can be extrapolated down to the individual as people raised or living in similar conditions can still have completely different outcomes. That's not proof that systemic racism does or doesn't exist. If the racism is the same the the result should be the same. Therefore there must be some social.or cultural factor that negates that particular racial effect. The proof of systemic racism is in the similar outcomes.
The number of black people in the NFL is greater than latinos. That proves there must be some social factor that makes that the case. It's not proof that systemic racism exists or doesn't. But if both black people and latinos are being policed more and therefore arrested more and given longer sentences then the similar outcome is proof of systemic racism. The clue is in the word systemic.
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You mention NFL being 70 per cent black, so is that racist against whites, the 70 per cent commu ity?
If a company is mainly white, is it racist?
Chicago black on black killings is 600 annually, so is that whites fault?
London knife crime is black killing black, but is that racist?
If the EPL is minority white English, is that racist?
If White kids fail at school, is that racist.
Just asking, as covid, vaccines and NHS are racist.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
Humans and animals are all the same really. All depends on the owners how they turn out.
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Shame we're not allowed to own humans anymore though eh? *chuckles in Brexit*
posted on 31/3/21
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
Humans and animals are all the same really. All depends on the owners how they turn out.
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How many humans do you own?
Remember, slavery is bad.
Unless it is African slavery or taking white slaves or human trafficking as that is kinda ignored or hushed up.
posted on 31/3/21
You mention NFL being 70 per cent black, so is that racist against whites, the 70 per cent commu ity?
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Nope.
Not all disparities are because of race mate. Sports is one of the few areas where meritocracy can actually be applied effectively and that should explain that disparity.
posted on 31/3/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
Charities is an interesting one. Does the NSPCA still receive way more than the NSPCC?
That’s completely backwards.
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Do they have the same numbers when it comes to membership? I think one has a larger population and therefore more complex logistics.
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Pets v kids.
Hmmm
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Zactly
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Puppies are cute, but orphans, meh
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Would give money to animals before children any day of the week. At least 50% of those kids will grow up to be massive cants.
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