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Jose past his best - The stats and facts

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posted on 5/4/21

comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
OP

I think in fairness, we should give him five seasons like the previous manager, if he still remains potless, then that would be the time to call him out.

Are you going to call out the next manager after 18 months, and the one after that, etc, etc.
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That would depend on how much progress there is. There were signs of progress 18 months after Poch. There is no great deal of progress being made after 16 months with Jose.
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Well when Poch left they were 13th, and not in a domestic final. Now they are 5th, and in a domestic final, so however everybody wants to downplay it, it is definitely an improvement. Unless everybody thought that bringing in Jose was instantly going to lead to winning the Prem in his first season.
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Really cannot tell if you are serious or wumming anymore Sandy
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Yes he's either a wum or facking stupid, I think its the latter

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by Edbo | Mourinho Out! (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Mourinho out.
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posted on 5/4/21

Excellent article.

I think those figures are padded a bit from the wins against farmers in Europe.

His league win percentage is 48%. I'm sure City will complete yet another humiliating cup exit in a few weeks to cement him as our worst manager since Santini.

When you factor in the money we have wasted on him and the damage he has done regressing the players there's a fair argument for him being the worst manager in the club's history.

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
OP

I think in fairness, we should give him five seasons like the previous manager, if he still remains potless, then that would be the time to call him out.

Are you going to call out the next manager after 18 months, and the one after that, etc, etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would depend on how much progress there is. There were signs of progress 18 months after Poch. There is no great deal of progress being made after 16 months with Jose.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well when Poch left they were 13th, and not in a domestic final. Now they are 5th, and in a domestic final, so however everybody wants to downplay it, it is definitely an improvement. Unless everybody thought that bringing in Jose was instantly going to lead to winning the Prem in his first season.
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Jose was brought to Spurs not just to get to the Poch peak levels but to even improve on them and win us things. His reputation is that of a supposed trophy winner. Top 5 and a League Cup final is not an improvement on what Poch was doing. If he wins the cup and gets top 4 maybe we can have a different conversation. But then again I just don't see how we are improving through our performances or that Jose is a solution going forward.
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Like I said Poch had five years, Jose has barely had 18 months. They can only ever be judged when Jose has had his five years. Did you demand Poch won countless trophies after just 18 months?
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If Poch had been properly backed, you'd have won the CL.

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
OP

I think in fairness, we should give him five seasons like the previous manager, if he still remains potless, then that would be the time to call him out.

Are you going to call out the next manager after 18 months, and the one after that, etc, etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would depend on how much progress there is. There were signs of progress 18 months after Poch. There is no great deal of progress being made after 16 months with Jose.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well when Poch left they were 13th, and not in a domestic final. Now they are 5th, and in a domestic final, so however everybody wants to downplay it, it is definitely an improvement. Unless everybody thought that bringing in Jose was instantly going to lead to winning the Prem in his first season.
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Really cannot tell if you are serious or wumming anymore Sandy
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Yes he's either a wum or facking stupid, I think its the latter
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He's both, a stupid wum

posted on 5/4/21

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
Excellent article.

I think those figures are padded a bit from the wins against farmers in Europe.

His league win percentage is 48%. I'm sure City will complete yet another humiliating cup exit in a few weeks to cement him as our worst manager since Santini.

When you factor in the money we have wasted on him and the damage he has done regressing the players there's a fair argument for him being the worst manager in the club's history.
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You obviously are a very new supporter, if you think a manager who has Spurs in 5th position and in a domestic final as the worse manager in Spurs history.

Some of our fans are hilarious.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 7 minutes ago
Mourinho has never worked under our kind of owners before though, at Spurs he has to work under a cheap skate approach to transfers, and be lumbered with 2nd, 3rd and 4th choice players.

Mourinho wanted Skriniar, a ready made CB, he got a young championship player with no PL experience instead. This is the kind of handicap any manager we have is working under.

Several of the players are not good enough to carry out Mourinho`s instructions, Mourinho knows it and the fans know it.
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I take your point that it's tougher conditions at Spurs, but it becomes more moot when you consider Jose wasn't the success he was expected to be at clubs like United and Real Madrid. I mean 4 trophyless seasons in 6 at United and Chelsea before coming to Spurs.

We always knew he wasn't going to get the same financial backing here as he did there, but even so he's been given some good signings and should be doing a lot better.

comment by Edbo (U17933)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 5 minutes ago
Excellent article.

I think those figures are padded a bit from the wins against farmers in Europe.

His league win percentage is 48%. I'm sure City will complete yet another humiliating cup exit in a few weeks to cement him as our worst manager since Santini.

When you factor in the money we have wasted on him and the damage he has done regressing the players there's a fair argument for him being the worst manager in the club's history.
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Agreed, I would have Doug Livermore over him ffs.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
OP

I think in fairness, we should give him five seasons like the previous manager, if he still remains potless, then that would be the time to call him out.

Are you going to call out the next manager after 18 months, and the one after that, etc, etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would depend on how much progress there is. There were signs of progress 18 months after Poch. There is no great deal of progress being made after 16 months with Jose.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well when Poch left they were 13th, and not in a domestic final. Now they are 5th, and in a domestic final, so however everybody wants to downplay it, it is definitely an improvement. Unless everybody thought that bringing in Jose was instantly going to lead to winning the Prem in his first season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jose was brought to Spurs not just to get to the Poch peak levels but to even improve on them and win us things. His reputation is that of a supposed trophy winner. Top 5 and a League Cup final is not an improvement on what Poch was doing. If he wins the cup and gets top 4 maybe we can have a different conversation. But then again I just don't see how we are improving through our performances or that Jose is a solution going forward.
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Like I said Poch had five years, Jose has barely had 18 months. They can only ever be judged when Jose has had his five years. Did you demand Poch won countless trophies after just 18 months?
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Poch had 5 years because he earned the right to be given that amount of time from his progress with the club, establishing us as a top 4 club, getting us close to titles, doing things we hadn't seen before. Only if Jose can replicate this does he deserve that time.

comment by Beeb (U1841)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 5 minutes ago
Excellent article.

I think those figures are padded a bit from the wins against farmers in Europe.

His league win percentage is 48%. I'm sure City will complete yet another humiliating cup exit in a few weeks to cement him as our worst manager since Santini.

When you factor in the money we have wasted on him and the damage he has done regressing the players there's a fair argument for him being the worst manager in the club's history.
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Interesting that you mention cement. Add that to a bit of Sandy nonsense and guess what you have.

A manager and his fan boys with heads of concrete.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 8 minutes ago
Excellent article.

I think those figures are padded a bit from the wins against farmers in Europe.

His league win percentage is 48%. I'm sure City will complete yet another humiliating cup exit in a few weeks to cement him as our worst manager since Santini.

When you factor in the money we have wasted on him and the damage he has done regressing the players there's a fair argument for him being the worst manager in the club's history.
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Yep, let's not forget that we are paying him a fortune to get us nowhere. It's a valid point which makes his failure with us all the more significant.

He's already lucky enough to keep his job IMO with the fact there are no fans around heaping the pressure on. That spell of 5 league losses in 6 would have got previous Spurs managers the sack when they haven't got any credit in the bank up to that point.

posted on 5/4/21

Spurtle, you miserable kaant, just like me this morning probably extremely let down , but your arguments though I like most of it has flaws!!

A cement bag can't get that kind of win percentage dude

Then you say did we not do some research but you forget that Levy is a Jose fan boy and has been chasing him for a long time and as soon as an excuse presented itself in 5 years, like the rsults not going for Poch, he took his chance - no he didn't do research and went with his fan boy emotions!

But the rest of that article is spot on
Nice one Spurtle

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 3 minutes ago
Spurtle, you miserable kaant, just like me this morning probably extremely let down , but your arguments though I like most of it has flaws!!

A cement bag can't get that kind of win percentage dude

Then you say did we not do some research but you forget that Levy is a Jose fan boy and has been chasing him for a long time and as soon as an excuse presented itself in 5 years, like the rsults not going for Poch, he took his chance - no he didn't do research and went with his fan boy emotions!

But the rest of that article is spot on
Nice one Spurtle
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A few weeks ago you were so far up Sandy's but you could smell his tonsils, now you say stuff like that.

Which one is it this week, Jose in or Jose out?

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 5/4/21

5 stars from me spurtle son

posted on 5/4/21

comment by Edbo | Mourinho Out! (U17933)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 5 minutes ago
Excellent article.

I think those figures are padded a bit from the wins against farmers in Europe.

His league win percentage is 48%. I'm sure City will complete yet another humiliating cup exit in a few weeks to cement him as our worst manager since Santini.

When you factor in the money we have wasted on him and the damage he has done regressing the players there's a fair argument for him being the worst manager in the club's history.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Agreed, I would have Doug Livermore over him ffs.
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Oh get real mate. Jose didn`t win all those trophies by being worse then Doug Livermore. I thought you were a fairly bright chap Edbo.

posted on 5/4/21

I hope you guys keep him.

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 39 seconds ago
I hope you guys keep him.
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Obviously. Wouldn't put it past Levy either

posted on 5/4/21

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
OP

I think in fairness, we should give him five seasons like the previous manager, if he still remains potless, then that would be the time to call him out.

Are you going to call out the next manager after 18 months, and the one after that, etc, etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would depend on how much progress there is. There were signs of progress 18 months after Poch. There is no great deal of progress being made after 16 months with Jose.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well when Poch left they were 13th, and not in a domestic final. Now they are 5th, and in a domestic final, so however everybody wants to downplay it, it is definitely an improvement. Unless everybody thought that bringing in Jose was instantly going to lead to winning the Prem in his first season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jose was brought to Spurs not just to get to the Poch peak levels but to even improve on them and win us things. His reputation is that of a supposed trophy winner. Top 5 and a League Cup final is not an improvement on what Poch was doing. If he wins the cup and gets top 4 maybe we can have a different conversation. But then again I just don't see how we are improving through our performances or that Jose is a solution going forward.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Like I said Poch had five years, Jose has barely had 18 months. They can only ever be judged when Jose has had his five years. Did you demand Poch won countless trophies after just 18 months?
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Poch had 5 years because he earned the right to be given that amount of time from his progress with the club, establishing us as a top 4 club, getting us close to titles, doing things we hadn't seen before. Only if Jose can replicate this does he deserve that time.
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Spurs never came close to winning a title with Poch. Were they actually ever top at any point under this reign? When you say seeing things at Spurs they we had never seen before, what exactly do you mean? Only I have seen Spurs win the league, several FA Cups, quite a few league cups, and quite a few European trophies. A few top four finishes is hardly the stuff of greatness. Yes it may satisfy supporters of the 21st century, but it doesn`t do a lot for me personally.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 minutes ago
Spurtle, you miserable kaant, just like me this morning probably extremely let down , but your arguments though I like most of it has flaws!!

A cement bag can't get that kind of win percentage dude

Then you say did we not do some research but you forget that Levy is a Jose fan boy and has been chasing him for a long time and as soon as an excuse presented itself in 5 years, like the rsults not going for Poch, he took his chance - no he didn't do research and went with his fan boy emotions!

But the rest of that article is spot on
Nice one Spurtle
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Mate I already acknowledged Levy was a fanboy. But he's also perceived as being shrewd. Clearly little of that shrewdness was used for this appointment though.

And a bag of cement would definitely win more games than not at Real Madrid. Essentially it's the same as a team of top players with no manager.

posted on 5/4/21

comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
OP

I think in fairness, we should give him five seasons like the previous manager, if he still remains potless, then that would be the time to call him out.

Are you going to call out the next manager after 18 months, and the one after that, etc, etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would depend on how much progress there is. There were signs of progress 18 months after Poch. There is no great deal of progress being made after 16 months with Jose.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well when Poch left they were 13th, and not in a domestic final. Now they are 5th, and in a domestic final, so however everybody wants to downplay it, it is definitely an improvement. Unless everybody thought that bringing in Jose was instantly going to lead to winning the Prem in his first season.
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sometimes you are so dense. were you in 13th place at the end of a season? no you weren't. this miracle of a rise from 13th to 5th is just in your head.

posted on 5/4/21

comment by #PhenagelsmannIN (U20037)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin aka Red Indian (U21328)
posted 39 seconds ago
I hope you guys keep him.
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Obviously. Wouldn't put it past Levy either
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Jose will definitely be at Spurs next season. This isn`t fantasy football, where you can just change managers and players every other week. There is zero money to be throwing about on the upheaval of yet another managerial change. Not like Spurs are getting relegated. Jose will not get the sack just because he could not lead Spurs to the Prem title in his first 18 months at the club, and nor should he.

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 5/4/21

We've had loads of managers under Levy though and he hasn't usually been afraid to change.as it's Jose though I tend to agree with you that he may be here mext season

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 5/4/21

comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
OP

I think in fairness, we should give him five seasons like the previous manager, if he still remains potless, then that would be the time to call him out.

Are you going to call out the next manager after 18 months, and the one after that, etc, etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would depend on how much progress there is. There were signs of progress 18 months after Poch. There is no great deal of progress being made after 16 months with Jose.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Well when Poch left they were 13th, and not in a domestic final. Now they are 5th, and in a domestic final, so however everybody wants to downplay it, it is definitely an improvement. Unless everybody thought that bringing in Jose was instantly going to lead to winning the Prem in his first season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jose was brought to Spurs not just to get to the Poch peak levels but to even improve on them and win us things. His reputation is that of a supposed trophy winner. Top 5 and a League Cup final is not an improvement on what Poch was doing. If he wins the cup and gets top 4 maybe we can have a different conversation. But then again I just don't see how we are improving through our performances or that Jose is a solution going forward.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Like I said Poch had five years, Jose has barely had 18 months. They can only ever be judged when Jose has had his five years. Did you demand Poch won countless trophies after just 18 months?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Poch had 5 years because he earned the right to be given that amount of time from his progress with the club, establishing us as a top 4 club, getting us close to titles, doing things we hadn't seen before. Only if Jose can replicate this does he deserve that time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Spurs never came close to winning a title with Poch. Were they actually ever top at any point under this reign? When you say seeing things at Spurs they we had never seen before, what exactly do you mean? Only I have seen Spurs win the league, several FA Cups, quite a few league cups, and quite a few European trophies. A few top four finishes is hardly the stuff of greatness. Yes it may satisfy supporters of the 21st century, but it doesn`t do a lot for me personally.
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Well we were involved in a title race with Leicester in only the second season. In the third season we got over 80 points and went the whole season unbeaten at home. Those are the things I'm talking about that we hadn't experienced, in the PL era at least. Poch consistently finished top 4 after the first season. He deserved his 5 years and more. Jose needs to do something to deserve being kept on past this season.

For some reason your standards have dropped hugely for Mourinho to the point he doesn't even need to win a trophy after a couple of seasons when you were using a lack of trophies to justify Poch getting the boot. Weird.

posted on 5/4/21

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 minutes ago
Spurtle, you miserable kaant, just like me this morning probably extremely let down , but your arguments though I like most of it has flaws!!

A cement bag can't get that kind of win percentage dude

Then you say did we not do some research but you forget that Levy is a Jose fan boy and has been chasing him for a long time and as soon as an excuse presented itself in 5 years, like the rsults not going for Poch, he took his chance - no he didn't do research and went with his fan boy emotions!

But the rest of that article is spot on
Nice one Spurtle
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Mate I already acknowledged Levy was a fanboy. But he's also perceived as being shrewd. Clearly little of that shrewdness was used for this appointment though.

And a bag of cement would definitely win more games than not at Real Madrid. Essentially it's the same as a team of top players with no manager.
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I think the problem is also the fact that us Spurs fans prefer a manager who fans can relate to and a manager who likes to encourage flair in his team.

comment by Firkin (U19526)

posted on 5/4/21

Someone on here recently gave the best analysis of his shortcomings.

To begin with he created an 'us against the world' environment with his players and they bought into him. Then came the '3 seasons' notion and fewer players bought into him anymore as all the evidence suggested he'd be gone within 3 seasons, and those who were against him could ride it out knowing they'd likely get another chance under a new manager.

Also, Mourinho for whatever reason started to blame the players in recent years. In today's culture, this doesn't fly well.

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