I think Jose is out of touch with modern players.
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comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 11 minutes ago
I think Jose is out of touch with modern players.
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modern players (not all) needs to be pampered and told how great they are
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
The issue for him, is that it worked at Porto, Chelsea and Inter. He had really strong personalities running through each of those teams. They were teams that completely bought into what Jose said and how he was. You only need to look at how the Inter players reacted when he left for Madrid...there was obviously a massive bond and everything was always positive.
You then get to Madrid, where Jose really faced the first period where players didn't completely buy into how he did things and that started off the trend that has been consistent for the rest of his career. Any player that doesn't fit into the mould of a Terry, Lampard, Cavarlho, Milito, Janetti etc.... he didn't know how to manage. The more the years have gone on, the less he relates to players and the need to adjust man management to suit. It is probably the most fundamental part of todays game and he just refuses to adapt due to the success he once had. You add that to his tactics which look more and more outdated and you have a manager on the downward slope. I will be really interested to see where he ends up next. I can only see it being a Napoli, Roma, Valencia type club.
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Totally. His style works similar to a cult. If everyone buys into it and he has the personnel on board, you can feel invincible but it works like brainwashing. Everyone has to be on board for it to work otherwise the spell is broken. I think you're right in that his success has fostered a stubbornness in his approach. Rather than being open to a different way he starts grumbling when he can't get everyone under his spell. It only really works when players have total faith in you. His record at United with Shaw and Pogba amongst others, will have meant players in our squad will have kept him at arms length knowing how much he can tear a player apart.
https://youtu.be/hAyCwb-wM-U
This is his sit down with Dele. He comes across ok if you ask me. Now bare in mind Dele was in his decline phase at the time and I agree with Jose when he says "it is up to you" and the bit about regret. The 50 Dele's quote is BS obviously.
I agree with your statement OP. It is a lazy attempt at exposing Jose because you have only taken one side of the story.
As for his future at Spurs. It looks like 'King' Jose will be dethroned in the summer if not sooner. Results between now and the end of season will determine when he goes.
On other forums and on twitter, some good ITK's are saying he has fallen out with Toby, sighting an arguement over Toby playing too many long balls. Toby also fell out with Poch. It seems there are more players in the squad who are against Jose and his methods than there are for him.
One thing for certain is we have more players we need to shift than we have to retain come the start of next season. This summer will be huge.
He won't be managing any big name players in the future anyway. It will be Spurs, Valencia, Lazio, Porto, PSV, Liverpool, Leverkusen, sized clubs from now on for him.
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 58 seconds ago
He won't be managing any big name players in the future anyway. It will be Spurs, Valencia, Lazio, Porto, PSV, Liverpool, Leverkusen, sized clubs from now on for him.
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Or Portugal.
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 5 seconds ago
https://youtu.be/hAyCwb-wM-U
This is his sit down with Dele. He comes across ok if you ask me. Now bare in mind Dele was in his decline phase at the time and I agree with Jose when he says "it is up to you" and the bit about regret. The 50 Dele's quote is BS obviously.
I agree with your statement OP. It is a lazy attempt at exposing Jose because you have only taken one side of the story.
As for his future at Spurs. It looks like 'King' Jose will be dethroned in the summer if not sooner. Results between now and the end of season will determine when he goes.
On other forums and on twitter, some good ITK's are saying he has fallen out with Toby, sighting an arguement over Toby playing too many long balls. Toby also fell out with Poch. It seems there are more players in the squad who are against Jose and his methods than there are for him.
One thing for certain is we have more players we need to shift than we have to retain come the start of next season. This summer will be huge.
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It works for some clubs but not for us. You can't go from the soft coaching style of Poch to the hard, brutal world of Jose. He may get another club purring again but it's more likely to be a team already entrenched in that more brutal, strong ethos. I just don't think our players are pliable enough for that approach.
I've read the same murmurs about his position. I don't think Toby is a problem player though. His issue under Poch was more that he just wanted to play for a bigger club. Jose came, he signed on hoping we would become that. It didn't work and now he's fallen out with the man himself.
The one good thing is that the noises coming out are that Nagelsmann is up for the gig should Jose depart in the summer. He's the right kind of manager for a project like ours. Nothing against Jose personally, he's just not right for us. Not by a long stretch.
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KDB would’ve needed neck surgery if he’d played under Jose for too long
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 21 minutes ago
https://youtu.be/hAyCwb-wM-U
This is his sit down with Dele. He comes across ok if you ask me. Now bare in mind Dele was in his decline phase at the time and I agree with Jose when he says "it is up to you" and the bit about regret. The 50 Dele's quote is BS obviously.
I agree with your statement OP. It is a lazy attempt at exposing Jose because you have only taken one side of the story.
As for his future at Spurs. It looks like 'King' Jose will be dethroned in the summer if not sooner. Results between now and the end of season will determine when he goes.
On other forums and on twitter, some good ITK's are saying he has fallen out with Toby, sighting an arguement over Toby playing too many long balls. Toby also fell out with Poch. It seems there are more players in the squad who are against Jose and his methods than there are for him.
One thing for certain is we have more players we need to shift than we have to retain come the start of next season. This summer will be huge.
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but but but king jose..................
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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They needed a new voice I agree. The issue wasn't Poch though, it was more to do with no fresh faces coming in every season and no silverware to keep the faith. I think they lost faith in the project, not the manager. Jose came in and I just don't think they like his style. You have to remember these lads have been like a family for years. He comes in and tears players like Alli apart. He might have been right in his opinion but you have to manage the squad, not just the individual. If you upset one, you upset them all. He's a popular lad Dele. I can see how that friction between him and Jose fired the first spark regarding the hostility spreading. For me it wasn't a smart move and that's why Jose has to take all of the blame for the wheels coming off. He needed to be more strategic in picking his fights. A dictatorial approach just doesn't fly these days.
We need a new voice but we need a positive voice. Someone fresh through the door that players can believe in who also believes in the players in the squad. As it stands, the players clearly have no faith it Jose and he has no faith in them. It's toxic.
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 15 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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Bang on! Jose says a few words after the Newcastle game and it's "oh he is throwing them under the bus". It's a fooking mans game. Nothing wrong with straight talking.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 5 seconds ago
https://youtu.be/hAyCwb-wM-U
This is his sit down with Dele. He comes across ok if you ask me. Now bare in mind Dele was in his decline phase at the time and I agree with Jose when he says "it is up to you" and the bit about regret. The 50 Dele's quote is BS obviously.
I agree with your statement OP. It is a lazy attempt at exposing Jose because you have only taken one side of the story.
As for his future at Spurs. It looks like 'King' Jose will be dethroned in the summer if not sooner. Results between now and the end of season will determine when he goes.
On other forums and on twitter, some good ITK's are saying he has fallen out with Toby, sighting an arguement over Toby playing too many long balls. Toby also fell out with Poch. It seems there are more players in the squad who are against Jose and his methods than there are for him.
One thing for certain is we have more players we need to shift than we have to retain come the start of next season. This summer will be huge.
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It works for some clubs but not for us. You can't go from the soft coaching style of Poch to the hard, brutal world of Jose. He may get another club purring again but it's more likely to be a team already entrenched in that more brutal, strong ethos. I just don't think our players are pliable enough for that approach.
I've read the same murmurs about his position. I don't think Toby is a problem player though. His issue under Poch was more that he just wanted to play for a bigger club. Jose came, he signed on hoping we would become that. It didn't work and now he's fallen out with the man himself.
The one good thing is that the noises coming out are that Nagelsmann is up for the gig should Jose depart in the summer. He's the right kind of manager for a project like ours. Nothing against Jose personally, he's just not right for us. Not by a long stretch.
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How do you know Toby wanted to play for a bigger club? By all accounts he wanted an improved contract and his dad is his agent who was trying to take the pi$$ out of Levy with his demands. Fact remains, Poch didn't play him towards the end of his reign and the same thing with Jose now.
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 15 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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Bang on! Jose says a few words after the Newcastle game and it's "oh he is throwing them under the bus". It's a fooking mans game. Nothing wrong with straight talking.
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This "man's game" diatribe is exactly the kind of archaic mentality that players don't like. They're still human beings Luka. Harsh words are for the dressing room and the dressing room only. Training ground bust-ups happen every week at every club but they're dealt with in house. At the end of the day what you really want is for your manager to have your back publicly. Rarely, and I mean rarely, a manager can criticise players publicly if they've truly done something wrong or wildly out of line. You just can't do it every week. It's bad management. Simple as that. You might want to tell the players "grow up" or "grow a pair" all day long but if you do it too often, your voice gets weaker and weaker.
There's a reason why the Phil Brown approach of publicly shaming a team at half time doesn't work. It's a two way street. These players still have to want to play for you as well as themselves.
The one good thing is that the noises coming out are that Nagelsmann is up for the gig should Jose depart in the summer. He's the right kind of manager for a project like ours.
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Interesting to hear that 'he the right kind of manager for a project like ours". This is something I read previously from other posters.
First of all if he does get the gig I wish him well and he will have my support but has he had much experience in rebuilding a team before? His lack of prem experience worries me as well. He may be looking (or should be looking) to offload around 8 players from the squad this summer. Does he have the pulling power to attract good or very good players? Spurs will be the biggest club he has managed as well. The pressure from our fans once back allowed back into the stadium will be immense and nothing like he faced before at either of his two german clubs.
One more thing, will the progressive football so many posters yearn for, be enough for fans once the new manager bounce wears off and results take a nose dive? Say we lose 4 games on the bounce. Will the same fans call for his head or will he be given time?
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 25 seconds ago
The one good thing is that the noises coming out are that Nagelsmann is up for the gig should Jose depart in the summer. He's the right kind of manager for a project like ours.
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Interesting to hear that 'he the right kind of manager for a project like ours". This is something I read previously from other posters.
First of all if he does get the gig I wish him well and he will have my support but has he had much experience in rebuilding a team before? His lack of prem experience worries me as well. He may be looking (or should be looking) to offload around 8 players from the squad this summer. Does he have the pulling power to attract good or very good players? Spurs will be the biggest club he has managed as well. The pressure from our fans once back allowed back into the stadium will be immense and nothing like he faced before at either of his two german clubs.
One more thing, will the progressive football so many posters yearn for, be enough for fans once the new manager bounce wears off and results take a nose dive? Say we lose 4 games on the bounce. Will the same fans call for his head or will he be given time?
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Give it a rest Sanluka
Now I know it's very easy in hindsight to sit here and say that he cast aside the best midfielder in the world but that's a lazy attempt at exposing Jose. It's been said before so it's pointless repeating it. He wasn't the player he is now back then.
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That's being quite generous to Mourinho. Salah was the one that surprised people, but everyone involved with Chelsea knew De Bryune was a special talent except him. This was back when he could play pretty much anywhere in midfield & was being compared to a hybrid of Scholes & Beckham.
Mourinho simply had a mare there. Nothing to be ashamed of on it's own, all the greats have at least one.
https://twitter.com/sportbible/status/1379731439080632322?s=19
This is a laugh.
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 7 minutes ago
Now I know it's very easy in hindsight to sit here and say that he cast aside the best midfielder in the world but that's a lazy attempt at exposing Jose. It's been said before so it's pointless repeating it. He wasn't the player he is now back then.
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That's being quite generous to Mourinho. Salah was the one that surprised people, but everyone involved with Chelsea knew De Bryune was a special talent except him. This was back when he could play pretty much anywhere in midfield & was being compared to a hybrid of Scholes & Beckham.
Mourinho simply had a mare there. Nothing to be ashamed of on it's own, all the greats have at least one.
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I'm not normally one to defend Jose but whilst it makes great headlines to say he missed the talents of KDB, Salah and Lukaku it can happen in football. At 20 Harry Kane was nowhere near it. Nowhere near it. A lot of former pros that were around during his development have said how shocked they were at just how far he's come. Some players just don't show that immediate talent.
That said, I've heard quotes from former Chelsea players that said when Salah was there, he was running rings around players in training. They could see he was a star but it wasn't translating on the pitch during that time.
To argue the opposite viewpoint would be to say these players were all brilliantly talented even then, but Jose made them feel like crap so their performances didn't reflect their talents.
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 58 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 58 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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Best squad in the league according to one melt
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 58 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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Best squad in the league according to one melt
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Who said that?
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 58 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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Best squad in the league according to one melt
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Who said that?
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The outdated man-management of Jose
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posted on 7/4/21
I think Jose is out of touch with modern players.
posted on 7/4/21
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posted on 7/4/21
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 11 minutes ago
I think Jose is out of touch with modern players.
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modern players (not all) needs to be pampered and told how great they are
posted on 7/4/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
The issue for him, is that it worked at Porto, Chelsea and Inter. He had really strong personalities running through each of those teams. They were teams that completely bought into what Jose said and how he was. You only need to look at how the Inter players reacted when he left for Madrid...there was obviously a massive bond and everything was always positive.
You then get to Madrid, where Jose really faced the first period where players didn't completely buy into how he did things and that started off the trend that has been consistent for the rest of his career. Any player that doesn't fit into the mould of a Terry, Lampard, Cavarlho, Milito, Janetti etc.... he didn't know how to manage. The more the years have gone on, the less he relates to players and the need to adjust man management to suit. It is probably the most fundamental part of todays game and he just refuses to adapt due to the success he once had. You add that to his tactics which look more and more outdated and you have a manager on the downward slope. I will be really interested to see where he ends up next. I can only see it being a Napoli, Roma, Valencia type club.
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Totally. His style works similar to a cult. If everyone buys into it and he has the personnel on board, you can feel invincible but it works like brainwashing. Everyone has to be on board for it to work otherwise the spell is broken. I think you're right in that his success has fostered a stubbornness in his approach. Rather than being open to a different way he starts grumbling when he can't get everyone under his spell. It only really works when players have total faith in you. His record at United with Shaw and Pogba amongst others, will have meant players in our squad will have kept him at arms length knowing how much he can tear a player apart.
posted on 7/4/21
https://youtu.be/hAyCwb-wM-U
This is his sit down with Dele. He comes across ok if you ask me. Now bare in mind Dele was in his decline phase at the time and I agree with Jose when he says "it is up to you" and the bit about regret. The 50 Dele's quote is BS obviously.
I agree with your statement OP. It is a lazy attempt at exposing Jose because you have only taken one side of the story.
As for his future at Spurs. It looks like 'King' Jose will be dethroned in the summer if not sooner. Results between now and the end of season will determine when he goes.
On other forums and on twitter, some good ITK's are saying he has fallen out with Toby, sighting an arguement over Toby playing too many long balls. Toby also fell out with Poch. It seems there are more players in the squad who are against Jose and his methods than there are for him.
One thing for certain is we have more players we need to shift than we have to retain come the start of next season. This summer will be huge.
posted on 7/4/21
He won't be managing any big name players in the future anyway. It will be Spurs, Valencia, Lazio, Porto, PSV, Liverpool, Leverkusen, sized clubs from now on for him.
posted on 7/4/21
comment by Danny Mullen (U1734)
posted 58 seconds ago
He won't be managing any big name players in the future anyway. It will be Spurs, Valencia, Lazio, Porto, PSV, Liverpool, Leverkusen, sized clubs from now on for him.
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Or Portugal.
posted on 7/4/21
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 5 seconds ago
https://youtu.be/hAyCwb-wM-U
This is his sit down with Dele. He comes across ok if you ask me. Now bare in mind Dele was in his decline phase at the time and I agree with Jose when he says "it is up to you" and the bit about regret. The 50 Dele's quote is BS obviously.
I agree with your statement OP. It is a lazy attempt at exposing Jose because you have only taken one side of the story.
As for his future at Spurs. It looks like 'King' Jose will be dethroned in the summer if not sooner. Results between now and the end of season will determine when he goes.
On other forums and on twitter, some good ITK's are saying he has fallen out with Toby, sighting an arguement over Toby playing too many long balls. Toby also fell out with Poch. It seems there are more players in the squad who are against Jose and his methods than there are for him.
One thing for certain is we have more players we need to shift than we have to retain come the start of next season. This summer will be huge.
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It works for some clubs but not for us. You can't go from the soft coaching style of Poch to the hard, brutal world of Jose. He may get another club purring again but it's more likely to be a team already entrenched in that more brutal, strong ethos. I just don't think our players are pliable enough for that approach.
I've read the same murmurs about his position. I don't think Toby is a problem player though. His issue under Poch was more that he just wanted to play for a bigger club. Jose came, he signed on hoping we would become that. It didn't work and now he's fallen out with the man himself.
The one good thing is that the noises coming out are that Nagelsmann is up for the gig should Jose depart in the summer. He's the right kind of manager for a project like ours. Nothing against Jose personally, he's just not right for us. Not by a long stretch.
posted on 7/4/21
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posted on 7/4/21
KDB would’ve needed neck surgery if he’d played under Jose for too long
posted on 7/4/21
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 21 minutes ago
https://youtu.be/hAyCwb-wM-U
This is his sit down with Dele. He comes across ok if you ask me. Now bare in mind Dele was in his decline phase at the time and I agree with Jose when he says "it is up to you" and the bit about regret. The 50 Dele's quote is BS obviously.
I agree with your statement OP. It is a lazy attempt at exposing Jose because you have only taken one side of the story.
As for his future at Spurs. It looks like 'King' Jose will be dethroned in the summer if not sooner. Results between now and the end of season will determine when he goes.
On other forums and on twitter, some good ITK's are saying he has fallen out with Toby, sighting an arguement over Toby playing too many long balls. Toby also fell out with Poch. It seems there are more players in the squad who are against Jose and his methods than there are for him.
One thing for certain is we have more players we need to shift than we have to retain come the start of next season. This summer will be huge.
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but but but king jose..................
posted on 7/4/21
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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They needed a new voice I agree. The issue wasn't Poch though, it was more to do with no fresh faces coming in every season and no silverware to keep the faith. I think they lost faith in the project, not the manager. Jose came in and I just don't think they like his style. You have to remember these lads have been like a family for years. He comes in and tears players like Alli apart. He might have been right in his opinion but you have to manage the squad, not just the individual. If you upset one, you upset them all. He's a popular lad Dele. I can see how that friction between him and Jose fired the first spark regarding the hostility spreading. For me it wasn't a smart move and that's why Jose has to take all of the blame for the wheels coming off. He needed to be more strategic in picking his fights. A dictatorial approach just doesn't fly these days.
We need a new voice but we need a positive voice. Someone fresh through the door that players can believe in who also believes in the players in the squad. As it stands, the players clearly have no faith it Jose and he has no faith in them. It's toxic.
posted on 7/4/21
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 15 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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Bang on! Jose says a few words after the Newcastle game and it's "oh he is throwing them under the bus". It's a fooking mans game. Nothing wrong with straight talking.
posted on 7/4/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 5 seconds ago
https://youtu.be/hAyCwb-wM-U
This is his sit down with Dele. He comes across ok if you ask me. Now bare in mind Dele was in his decline phase at the time and I agree with Jose when he says "it is up to you" and the bit about regret. The 50 Dele's quote is BS obviously.
I agree with your statement OP. It is a lazy attempt at exposing Jose because you have only taken one side of the story.
As for his future at Spurs. It looks like 'King' Jose will be dethroned in the summer if not sooner. Results between now and the end of season will determine when he goes.
On other forums and on twitter, some good ITK's are saying he has fallen out with Toby, sighting an arguement over Toby playing too many long balls. Toby also fell out with Poch. It seems there are more players in the squad who are against Jose and his methods than there are for him.
One thing for certain is we have more players we need to shift than we have to retain come the start of next season. This summer will be huge.
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It works for some clubs but not for us. You can't go from the soft coaching style of Poch to the hard, brutal world of Jose. He may get another club purring again but it's more likely to be a team already entrenched in that more brutal, strong ethos. I just don't think our players are pliable enough for that approach.
I've read the same murmurs about his position. I don't think Toby is a problem player though. His issue under Poch was more that he just wanted to play for a bigger club. Jose came, he signed on hoping we would become that. It didn't work and now he's fallen out with the man himself.
The one good thing is that the noises coming out are that Nagelsmann is up for the gig should Jose depart in the summer. He's the right kind of manager for a project like ours. Nothing against Jose personally, he's just not right for us. Not by a long stretch.
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How do you know Toby wanted to play for a bigger club? By all accounts he wanted an improved contract and his dad is his agent who was trying to take the pi$$ out of Levy with his demands. Fact remains, Poch didn't play him towards the end of his reign and the same thing with Jose now.
posted on 7/4/21
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 15 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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Bang on! Jose says a few words after the Newcastle game and it's "oh he is throwing them under the bus". It's a fooking mans game. Nothing wrong with straight talking.
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This "man's game" diatribe is exactly the kind of archaic mentality that players don't like. They're still human beings Luka. Harsh words are for the dressing room and the dressing room only. Training ground bust-ups happen every week at every club but they're dealt with in house. At the end of the day what you really want is for your manager to have your back publicly. Rarely, and I mean rarely, a manager can criticise players publicly if they've truly done something wrong or wildly out of line. You just can't do it every week. It's bad management. Simple as that. You might want to tell the players "grow up" or "grow a pair" all day long but if you do it too often, your voice gets weaker and weaker.
There's a reason why the Phil Brown approach of publicly shaming a team at half time doesn't work. It's a two way street. These players still have to want to play for you as well as themselves.
posted on 7/4/21
The one good thing is that the noises coming out are that Nagelsmann is up for the gig should Jose depart in the summer. He's the right kind of manager for a project like ours.
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Interesting to hear that 'he the right kind of manager for a project like ours". This is something I read previously from other posters.
First of all if he does get the gig I wish him well and he will have my support but has he had much experience in rebuilding a team before? His lack of prem experience worries me as well. He may be looking (or should be looking) to offload around 8 players from the squad this summer. Does he have the pulling power to attract good or very good players? Spurs will be the biggest club he has managed as well. The pressure from our fans once back allowed back into the stadium will be immense and nothing like he faced before at either of his two german clubs.
One more thing, will the progressive football so many posters yearn for, be enough for fans once the new manager bounce wears off and results take a nose dive? Say we lose 4 games on the bounce. Will the same fans call for his head or will he be given time?
posted on 7/4/21
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 25 seconds ago
The one good thing is that the noises coming out are that Nagelsmann is up for the gig should Jose depart in the summer. He's the right kind of manager for a project like ours.
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Interesting to hear that 'he the right kind of manager for a project like ours". This is something I read previously from other posters.
First of all if he does get the gig I wish him well and he will have my support but has he had much experience in rebuilding a team before? His lack of prem experience worries me as well. He may be looking (or should be looking) to offload around 8 players from the squad this summer. Does he have the pulling power to attract good or very good players? Spurs will be the biggest club he has managed as well. The pressure from our fans once back allowed back into the stadium will be immense and nothing like he faced before at either of his two german clubs.
One more thing, will the progressive football so many posters yearn for, be enough for fans once the new manager bounce wears off and results take a nose dive? Say we lose 4 games on the bounce. Will the same fans call for his head or will he be given time?
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Give it a rest Sanluka
posted on 7/4/21
Now I know it's very easy in hindsight to sit here and say that he cast aside the best midfielder in the world but that's a lazy attempt at exposing Jose. It's been said before so it's pointless repeating it. He wasn't the player he is now back then.
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That's being quite generous to Mourinho. Salah was the one that surprised people, but everyone involved with Chelsea knew De Bryune was a special talent except him. This was back when he could play pretty much anywhere in midfield & was being compared to a hybrid of Scholes & Beckham.
Mourinho simply had a mare there. Nothing to be ashamed of on it's own, all the greats have at least one.
posted on 7/4/21
https://twitter.com/sportbible/status/1379731439080632322?s=19
This is a laugh.
posted on 7/4/21
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 7 minutes ago
Now I know it's very easy in hindsight to sit here and say that he cast aside the best midfielder in the world but that's a lazy attempt at exposing Jose. It's been said before so it's pointless repeating it. He wasn't the player he is now back then.
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That's being quite generous to Mourinho. Salah was the one that surprised people, but everyone involved with Chelsea knew De Bryune was a special talent except him. This was back when he could play pretty much anywhere in midfield & was being compared to a hybrid of Scholes & Beckham.
Mourinho simply had a mare there. Nothing to be ashamed of on it's own, all the greats have at least one.
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I'm not normally one to defend Jose but whilst it makes great headlines to say he missed the talents of KDB, Salah and Lukaku it can happen in football. At 20 Harry Kane was nowhere near it. Nowhere near it. A lot of former pros that were around during his development have said how shocked they were at just how far he's come. Some players just don't show that immediate talent.
That said, I've heard quotes from former Chelsea players that said when Salah was there, he was running rings around players in training. They could see he was a star but it wasn't translating on the pitch during that time.
To argue the opposite viewpoint would be to say these players were all brilliantly talented even then, but Jose made them feel like crap so their performances didn't reflect their talents.
posted on 7/4/21
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 58 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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posted on 7/4/21
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 58 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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Best squad in the league according to one melt
posted on 7/4/21
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 58 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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Best squad in the league according to one melt
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Who said that?
posted on 7/4/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Jose In (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 58 minutes ago
Take Dele Ali as an example:
Poch played him no matter what and he was rubbish for a year.
Mourinho gives tells him to earn his place through training and not giving the ball away and guess what? He’s still not doing it.
These players are a joke. It all looked too cosy under Poch at times and they took their foot off. Now someone tells them how it is and they can’t handle that either.
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Best squad in the league according to one melt
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Who said that?
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Sanlukaneezer
posted on 7/4/21
Luka you see this
#thfc defender Eric Dier: "I would have my ashes scattered in Tottenham Hotspur Stadium." [Evening Standard]
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