To be honest, I'd welcome a "European super league" and my club's participation in it.
Been a long time overdue.
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To be honest, I'd welcome a "European super league" and my club's participation in it.
Been a long time overdue.
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comment by TENƎꓕ (U17162)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 5 minutes ago
To be honest, I'd welcome a "European super league" and my club's participation in it.
Been a long time overdue.
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Combination of taking acid daily for far too many years and crack cocaine I would imagine
the biggest problem about north american sport is there's not any relegation. when i used to watch hockey i always wished that toronto could be relegated as they finished in the bottom 3 for like 25 years straight.
comment by Ole-dirty-baztard - You want ole in, ole out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about. Do the ole Koke (U19119)
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comment by TENƎꓕ (U17162)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 5 minutes ago
To be honest, I'd welcome a "European super league" and my club's participation in it.
Been a long time overdue.
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Why do you think this?
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Combination of taking acid daily for far too many years and crack cocaine I would imagine
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that has to be it.
I will always support liverpool....but be extremely disappointed that they broke away.... utv would probably support another team in the prem, maybe a Leicester pr something
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 21 minutes ago
I'd start supporting Tranmere.
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The mere threat of this would have Tranmere diving out of the league structure as well.
nobody is leaving a 5billion revenue cow.
In 2019/20 LFC cleared 175mil out of the prem in tv.
All LFc want is probably at least that much out of a parallel league.
thats greed #101
Sir Alex Ferguson: "Talk of a Super League is a move away from 70 years of European club football."
Sir Alex Ferguson: "Both as a player for a provincial team Dunfermline in the 60s and as a manager at Aberdeen winning the European Cup Winners’ Cup, for a small provincial club in Scotland it was like climbing Mount Everest."
Sir Alex Ferguson: "In my time at #mufc, we played in four Champions League finals and they were always the most special of nights. I’m not sure #mufc are involved in this [European Super League], as I am not part of the decision making process."
How shady the Glazers are to not even tell the great man about this
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Probably because he works high up the club and you’d think they’d value his opinion on it
This will be catastrophic for football. Clubs will lose value over a long period.
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comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Probably because he works high up the club and you’d think they’d value his opinion on it
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SAF doesn’t work for the club.
I've been a United fan since the days Alex Stepney was in goals and I'll still be a loyal supporter regardless as to whether them greedy fkers in the suits up stairs go for a breakaway.
I think we should all go and actively support our local lower League club.
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1383842188182790144?s=19
Take the NBA as an example. There are 30 teams, and each owner is effectively a shareholder in the league. They split the revenues among themselves and put in salary caps and luxury taxes to stay profitable. They don't need to ask USA Basketball or FIBA (basketball's equivalent of FIFA) for permission when they want to do things.
But in European football, clubs play in national leagues that are sanctioned by national federations. In England, the Football Association sanctions the Premier League, and UEFA is a governing body of which the FA is a member that organises competitions for clubs. The bulk of the revenue generated goes back to the clubs, but the rest gets redistributed among national federations, smaller clubs and for grassroots development.
I don't think anybody will give up supporting their clubs, let alone give up supporting football altogether. It will just a very, very negative step that fans will obviously be against, but I can hardly say I blame the clubs from a financial perspective when they will all end up receiving something like £550m considering the losses accumulated during this pandemic. Not that it makes it anymore morally right of course.
We will all still watch football, arguably we would be watching "better quality" matches as well, but of course it's not done for the right reasons.
Unfortunately, I think it's a case where it suits the decision-makers and many shareholders and stakeholders within a club, other than probably fans.
There's no question that the "breakaway clubs" generate a disproportionate amount of the revenue. After all, more people (and sponsors) will pay to see Barcelona vs. Manchester United than Dinamo Zagreb vs. Club Brugge. They argue they should be entitled to a bigger piece of the pie (and have been arguing this for years, progressively getting more and more). But some also question why revenues that they generate should be redistributed to smaller clubs and FAs. And they say it's about votes and keeping the gravy train going, which to some degree is true. There are more small federations than big ones, and some of the smaller ones would struggle to survive without UEFA funding.
A number of the breakaway clubs also feel that if they ran the competition themselves, they could be more agile and innovative in generating more revenue, perhaps by playing on weekends or taking it on the road to Asia or North America. After all, these are global brands.
I guess it comes down to whether you view a football club primarily as a business to be grown and whose revenues ought to be maximized, or whether you see yourself as part of a greater whole, with a duty of solidarity to others. As I see it, the former is somewhat short-sighted. After all, the next great Real Madrid or Manchester United star could come from Moldova or Northern Ireland, but if there's no functioning FA there because grassroots funding has been pulled, well ...
UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin basically has two options. The vote on the Champions League reform is on the agenda. He can cave in and remove it from the agenda. This would kick the can down the road, and probably lead to more negotiations with the big clubs -- this time, presumably, without the ECA, since we saw how far it got them last time -- and perhaps more concessions in their favour, maybe a greater share of revenue or direct control over the competition or guaranteed places or whatever.
Or he can stand tall and call their bluff. Approve the Champions League format, call them out by name. They issued a joint statement with the English, Spanish and Italian Football Associations as well as the Premier League, Italy's Serie A and La Liga in Spain saying they will "remain united" in their efforts to stop "a cynical project" that is "founded on the self-interest of a few clubs." And they reminded everyone that clubs joining a breakaway league would be banned from playing both international competitions, like the World Cup, and domestic leagues as well.
So if, say, Manchester United broke away, they couldn't play in the Premier League, FA Cup or League Cup?
A: In theory, yes. They have the power to do that, though it would likely end up in court. There's a legal case to be made that if you're a governing body and a competition organiser (which FIFA, UEFA and the FAs are), you can't exclude somebody from participating. So that part remains to be seen. But I think their best strategy, if they want to stop it, is to wait it out ...
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posted on 18/4/21
To be honest, I'd welcome a "European super league" and my club's participation in it.
Been a long time overdue.
posted on 18/4/21
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posted on 18/4/21
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 5 minutes ago
To be honest, I'd welcome a "European super league" and my club's participation in it.
Been a long time overdue.
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Why do you think this?
posted on 18/4/21
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posted on 18/4/21
comment by TENƎꓕ (U17162)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 5 minutes ago
To be honest, I'd welcome a "European super league" and my club's participation in it.
Been a long time overdue.
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Why do you think this?
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Combination of taking acid daily for far too many years and crack cocaine I would imagine
posted on 18/4/21
the biggest problem about north american sport is there's not any relegation. when i used to watch hockey i always wished that toronto could be relegated as they finished in the bottom 3 for like 25 years straight.
posted on 18/4/21
comment by Ole-dirty-baztard - You want ole in, ole out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about. Do the ole Koke (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by TENƎꓕ (U17162)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 5 minutes ago
To be honest, I'd welcome a "European super league" and my club's participation in it.
Been a long time overdue.
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Why do you think this?
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Combination of taking acid daily for far too many years and crack cocaine I would imagine
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that has to be it.
posted on 18/4/21
I will always support liverpool....but be extremely disappointed that they broke away.... utv would probably support another team in the prem, maybe a Leicester pr something
posted on 18/4/21
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 21 minutes ago
I'd start supporting Tranmere.
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The mere threat of this would have Tranmere diving out of the league structure as well.
posted on 18/4/21
nobody is leaving a 5billion revenue cow.
In 2019/20 LFC cleared 175mil out of the prem in tv.
All LFc want is probably at least that much out of a parallel league.
thats greed #101
posted on 18/4/21
Sir Alex Ferguson: "Talk of a Super League is a move away from 70 years of European club football."
Sir Alex Ferguson: "Both as a player for a provincial team Dunfermline in the 60s and as a manager at Aberdeen winning the European Cup Winners’ Cup, for a small provincial club in Scotland it was like climbing Mount Everest."
Sir Alex Ferguson: "In my time at #mufc, we played in four Champions League finals and they were always the most special of nights. I’m not sure #mufc are involved in this [European Super League], as I am not part of the decision making process."
How shady the Glazers are to not even tell the great man about this
posted on 18/4/21
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posted on 18/4/21
Probably because he works high up the club and you’d think they’d value his opinion on it
posted on 18/4/21
This will be catastrophic for football. Clubs will lose value over a long period.
posted on 18/4/21
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posted on 18/4/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Probably because he works high up the club and you’d think they’d value his opinion on it
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SAF doesn’t work for the club.
posted on 18/4/21
I've been a United fan since the days Alex Stepney was in goals and I'll still be a loyal supporter regardless as to whether them greedy fkers in the suits up stairs go for a breakaway.
posted on 18/4/21
I think we should all go and actively support our local lower League club.
posted on 18/4/21
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1383842188182790144?s=19
posted on 18/4/21
Take the NBA as an example. There are 30 teams, and each owner is effectively a shareholder in the league. They split the revenues among themselves and put in salary caps and luxury taxes to stay profitable. They don't need to ask USA Basketball or FIBA (basketball's equivalent of FIFA) for permission when they want to do things.
But in European football, clubs play in national leagues that are sanctioned by national federations. In England, the Football Association sanctions the Premier League, and UEFA is a governing body of which the FA is a member that organises competitions for clubs. The bulk of the revenue generated goes back to the clubs, but the rest gets redistributed among national federations, smaller clubs and for grassroots development.
posted on 18/4/21
I don't think anybody will give up supporting their clubs, let alone give up supporting football altogether. It will just a very, very negative step that fans will obviously be against, but I can hardly say I blame the clubs from a financial perspective when they will all end up receiving something like £550m considering the losses accumulated during this pandemic. Not that it makes it anymore morally right of course.
We will all still watch football, arguably we would be watching "better quality" matches as well, but of course it's not done for the right reasons.
Unfortunately, I think it's a case where it suits the decision-makers and many shareholders and stakeholders within a club, other than probably fans.
posted on 18/4/21
There's no question that the "breakaway clubs" generate a disproportionate amount of the revenue. After all, more people (and sponsors) will pay to see Barcelona vs. Manchester United than Dinamo Zagreb vs. Club Brugge. They argue they should be entitled to a bigger piece of the pie (and have been arguing this for years, progressively getting more and more). But some also question why revenues that they generate should be redistributed to smaller clubs and FAs. And they say it's about votes and keeping the gravy train going, which to some degree is true. There are more small federations than big ones, and some of the smaller ones would struggle to survive without UEFA funding.
posted on 18/4/21
A number of the breakaway clubs also feel that if they ran the competition themselves, they could be more agile and innovative in generating more revenue, perhaps by playing on weekends or taking it on the road to Asia or North America. After all, these are global brands.
I guess it comes down to whether you view a football club primarily as a business to be grown and whose revenues ought to be maximized, or whether you see yourself as part of a greater whole, with a duty of solidarity to others. As I see it, the former is somewhat short-sighted. After all, the next great Real Madrid or Manchester United star could come from Moldova or Northern Ireland, but if there's no functioning FA there because grassroots funding has been pulled, well ...
posted on 18/4/21
UEFA president Aleksander Ceferin basically has two options. The vote on the Champions League reform is on the agenda. He can cave in and remove it from the agenda. This would kick the can down the road, and probably lead to more negotiations with the big clubs -- this time, presumably, without the ECA, since we saw how far it got them last time -- and perhaps more concessions in their favour, maybe a greater share of revenue or direct control over the competition or guaranteed places or whatever.
Or he can stand tall and call their bluff. Approve the Champions League format, call them out by name. They issued a joint statement with the English, Spanish and Italian Football Associations as well as the Premier League, Italy's Serie A and La Liga in Spain saying they will "remain united" in their efforts to stop "a cynical project" that is "founded on the self-interest of a few clubs." And they reminded everyone that clubs joining a breakaway league would be banned from playing both international competitions, like the World Cup, and domestic leagues as well.
posted on 18/4/21
So if, say, Manchester United broke away, they couldn't play in the Premier League, FA Cup or League Cup?
A: In theory, yes. They have the power to do that, though it would likely end up in court. There's a legal case to be made that if you're a governing body and a competition organiser (which FIFA, UEFA and the FAs are), you can't exclude somebody from participating. So that part remains to be seen. But I think their best strategy, if they want to stop it, is to wait it out ...
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