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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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I said as far back as when we beat Soton 2-5 that Jose was relying on individual performances / magic. A few people said that game was a tactical masterclass from Jose.
I think time has shown he has no real plan, couldn’t coach the team and relied heavily on Son and Kane.
I’m sure early on their shot to goal ratio was incredible - and it was never going to sustain itself. Then factor in how burnt out Son has become, it’s just clear as daylight Jose didn’t know how to manage the team
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You just have to ask yourself what on earth happened after beating Soton and Utd 2-5 and 1-6 consecutively!?
That is my answer for a lot of this season.
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I think your early Europa League start allowed you to get the jump on a lot of teams fitness-wise early in the season. It effectively functioned as a pre-season for you when most teams didn't have one. When you played us at Old Trafford you just looked miles sharper.
Levelled off a bit when other teams caught up
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Fair point fella, we were more match sharp.
This is what bothered me about Jose. We had a decent enough striker in Vinicius but he was not used effectively.
I bet I can count on my fingers how many EPL games he has played this season
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I agree with the point above - we had a head start on most clubs and it showed. Even more so that other teams seasons were staggered as well. United for example started playing later than most - and it showed v us
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You just have to ask yourself what on earth happened after beating Soton and Utd 2-5 and 1-6 consecutively!?
That is my answer for a lot of this season.
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I think your early Europa League start allowed you to get the jump on a lot of teams fitness-wise early in the season. It effectively functioned as a pre-season for you when most teams didn't have one. When you played us at Old Trafford you just looked miles sharper.
Levelled off a bit when other teams caught up
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Fair point fella, we were more match sharp.
This is what bothered me about Jose. We had a decent enough striker in Vinicius but he was not used effectively.
I bet I can count on my fingers how many EPL games he has played this season
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I agree with the point above - we had a head start on most clubs and it showed. Even more so that other teams seasons were staggered as well. United for example started playing later than most - and it showed v us
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I think the reverse is true. We started early and burnt out by mid-season. Most teams had played less game than us by then and were much more fresher. It helped those teams to build up a momentum, whereas Spurs tailed off.
The fact that the team or players couldn't sustain the pace is the reason why we faltered at key moments in the season. Questions marks on player rotation and fitness levels then arose. People were asking whether Jose was coaching the team, because of how the team faltered.
It doesn't matter now. The side needs refreshing and that is what the previous regime cried for.
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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Amazing isn't it that someone that has won so many trophies, that comes across so intelligent, can make such obviously detrimental selections and changes.
We had the real Mourinho for about a month of this season. The rest of it was Mourinho's brother.
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I think as he’s career has progressed he’s gotten used to, and become reliant on, having a top quality, finished article player in every position. They have the ability to execute his tactics, it’s gets results, they buy into him and win a trophy. In the end his approach burns people out, tactically, mentally, it blows up and he leaves.
At Spurs he never had the standard of player he’s been used to, he’s not a Poch type who will coach players into better players or make a team greater than the sum of its parts, the best he could manage was a backs to wall, long ball to the only world class player type approach - which isn’t sustainable for a season. It was evident there was no quality coaching, defined style of play, attacking ethos etc and he has no real record of turning bad situations around - he just makes them worse with his reactionary mentality. The writing was on the wall by Xmas.
I think we did get the real Jose, and the reality is the real Jose is a cheque book manager who is years over the hill.
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I agree with all that. If we had the calibre of defender of Terry and Carvalho at the back then we could have arguably been in a title race through Jose's tactics that served him so well in the early part of the season. But because we have Sanchez and Dier that style of play was never going to be sustainable. Doesn't say much for Jose's judgement either for him to rate the squad as highly as he did when he first came in. I bet he thought Dier was going to be his next Terry.
I think regardless of the squad he has to work with, he's lost some of that hunger and arrogance as he's got older that made him the success he was. Turned grumpier too, not suffering fools so gladly anymore, hence freezing players out and falling out with them.
Biggest negative for me was calling him King LOL.
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Biggest negative for me was calling him King LOL.
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He was a 'king useless manager!
Sacking Mourhino so that Spurs would be the only club where he didn't win a trophy was a masterstroke.
I think you need to stand back from the Mourinho handwringing if you want to answer the OPs original question.
Undoubtedly, the worst part of the season - for any club - surely must be VAR.
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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No you can't. You can say the season has been disappointing, but to say the team has been negative when they have scored so many is staggering, no matter the opposition. Negative teams would be classed as a team that scored half that.
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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I said as far back as when we beat Soton 2-5 that Jose was relying on individual performances / magic. A few people said that game was a tactical masterclass from Jose.
I think time has shown he has no real plan, couldn’t coach the team and relied heavily on Son and Kane.
I’m sure early on their shot to goal ratio was incredible - and it was never going to sustain itself. Then factor in how burnt out Son has become, it’s just clear as daylight Jose didn’t know how to manage the team
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LOL did you see how the team performed before Jose, or Sunday after Jose. When are supporters like you going to realise it is the players not being good enough.
If the players aren't good enough why are we scoring 115 goals in a season then
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If the players aren't good enough why are we scoring 115 goals in a season then
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We had a great manager playing free flowing attacking football
https://twitter.com/jstevens123/status/1386675798074081282?s=19
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If the players aren't good enough why are we scoring 115 goals in a season then
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We had a great manager playing free flowing attacking football
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Then the players are good enough to do that surely
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If the players aren't good enough why are we scoring 115 goals in a season then
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He’s a walking contradiction mate. Just does not have a clue
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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No you can't. You can say the season has been disappointing, but to say the team has been negative when they have scored so many is staggering, no matter the opposition. Negative teams would be classed as a team that scored half that.
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Yes you can.
And a lot of the goals scored were early on, when we had a fitness advantage, and against European farmers.
Team / squad / season / manager / results / performance - all negative
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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I said as far back as when we beat Soton 2-5 that Jose was relying on individual performances / magic. A few people said that game was a tactical masterclass from Jose.
I think time has shown he has no real plan, couldn’t coach the team and relied heavily on Son and Kane.
I’m sure early on their shot to goal ratio was incredible - and it was never going to sustain itself. Then factor in how burnt out Son has become, it’s just clear as daylight Jose didn’t know how to manage the team
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LOL did you see how the team performed before Jose, or Sunday after Jose. When are supporters like you going to realise it is the players not being good enough.
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Some are, some aren’t.
But they are better than what they served up.
Jose’s fault. Period
Only Spurs could fack up by appointing Maureen, then fack up again sacking him.
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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I said as far back as when we beat Soton 2-5 that Jose was relying on individual performances / magic. A few people said that game was a tactical masterclass from Jose.
I think time has shown he has no real plan, couldn’t coach the team and relied heavily on Son and Kane.
I’m sure early on their shot to goal ratio was incredible - and it was never going to sustain itself. Then factor in how burnt out Son has become, it’s just clear as daylight Jose didn’t know how to manage the team
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LOL did you see how the team performed before Jose, or Sunday after Jose. When are supporters like you going to realise it is the players not being good enough.
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Some are, some aren’t.
But they are better than what they served up.
Jose’s fault. Period
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Jose wasn`t in charge of the final. Whose fault was that?
One of the key points which I haven’t mentioned yet is that we are not fit. Our conditioning is absolutely awful. Whether because of poor squad management having so many games, or whether training and match tactics have resulted in a huge drop in our conditioning, we are simply not a fit enough side. And that is unacceptable.
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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I said as far back as when we beat Soton 2-5 that Jose was relying on individual performances / magic. A few people said that game was a tactical masterclass from Jose.
I think time has shown he has no real plan, couldn’t coach the team and relied heavily on Son and Kane.
I’m sure early on their shot to goal ratio was incredible - and it was never going to sustain itself. Then factor in how burnt out Son has become, it’s just clear as daylight Jose didn’t know how to manage the team
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LOL did you see how the team performed before Jose, or Sunday after Jose. When are supporters like you going to realise it is the players not being good enough.
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Some are, some aren’t.
But they are better than what they served up.
Jose’s fault. Period
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Jose wasn`t in charge of the final. Whose fault was that?
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Jose. His legacy is lack of tactics, game play, confidence, fitness. That was never going to be resolved in two days, one against the best team in the Prem.
Jose, Jose, Jose, Jose
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 11 minutes ago
One of the key points which I haven’t mentioned yet is that we are not fit. Our conditioning is absolutely awful. Whether because of poor squad management having so many games, or whether training and match tactics have resulted in a huge drop in our conditioning, we are simply not a fit enough side. And that is unacceptable.
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Ole said the same thing when he took over - the players were bang out of shape
It's funny seeing history repeating itself.
Tottenham are exactly where Arsenal were about a decade ago.
On one hand, you have a club hierarchy solely motivated by the hand-to-mouth realities of funding their stadium mortgage through consistent Champions League qualification.
And on the other, an optimistic fanbase with their heads in the clouds because of all the promises made.
Daniel Levy only cares about Top 4. Everything else is a chore.
This thread could have been lifted straight out of the Arsenal board circa 2011.
If my calculations are correct, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone at your club come out with some updated version of Wenger's famous "Top 4 is a trophy" quote some time next year.
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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I said as far back as when we beat Soton 2-5 that Jose was relying on individual performances / magic. A few people said that game was a tactical masterclass from Jose.
I think time has shown he has no real plan, couldn’t coach the team and relied heavily on Son and Kane.
I’m sure early on their shot to goal ratio was incredible - and it was never going to sustain itself. Then factor in how burnt out Son has become, it’s just clear as daylight Jose didn’t know how to manage the team
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You just have to ask yourself what on earth happened after beating Soton and Utd 2-5 and 1-6 consecutively!?
That is my answer for a lot of this season.
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I think your early Europa League start allowed you to get the jump on a lot of teams fitness-wise early in the season. It effectively functioned as a pre-season for you when most teams didn't have one. When you played us at Old Trafford you just looked miles sharper.
Levelled off a bit when other teams caught up
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Fair point fella, we were more match sharp.
This is what bothered me about Jose. We had a decent enough striker in Vinicius but he was not used effectively.
I bet I can count on my fingers how many EPL games he has played this season
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I agree with the point above - we had a head start on most clubs and it showed. Even more so that other teams seasons were staggered as well. United for example started playing later than most - and it showed v us
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You just have to ask yourself what on earth happened after beating Soton and Utd 2-5 and 1-6 consecutively!?
That is my answer for a lot of this season.
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I think your early Europa League start allowed you to get the jump on a lot of teams fitness-wise early in the season. It effectively functioned as a pre-season for you when most teams didn't have one. When you played us at Old Trafford you just looked miles sharper.
Levelled off a bit when other teams caught up
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Fair point fella, we were more match sharp.
This is what bothered me about Jose. We had a decent enough striker in Vinicius but he was not used effectively.
I bet I can count on my fingers how many EPL games he has played this season
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I agree with the point above - we had a head start on most clubs and it showed. Even more so that other teams seasons were staggered as well. United for example started playing later than most - and it showed v us
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I think the reverse is true. We started early and burnt out by mid-season. Most teams had played less game than us by then and were much more fresher. It helped those teams to build up a momentum, whereas Spurs tailed off.
The fact that the team or players couldn't sustain the pace is the reason why we faltered at key moments in the season. Questions marks on player rotation and fitness levels then arose. People were asking whether Jose was coaching the team, because of how the team faltered.
It doesn't matter now. The side needs refreshing and that is what the previous regime cried for.
posted on 26/4/21
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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Amazing isn't it that someone that has won so many trophies, that comes across so intelligent, can make such obviously detrimental selections and changes.
We had the real Mourinho for about a month of this season. The rest of it was Mourinho's brother.
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I think as he’s career has progressed he’s gotten used to, and become reliant on, having a top quality, finished article player in every position. They have the ability to execute his tactics, it’s gets results, they buy into him and win a trophy. In the end his approach burns people out, tactically, mentally, it blows up and he leaves.
At Spurs he never had the standard of player he’s been used to, he’s not a Poch type who will coach players into better players or make a team greater than the sum of its parts, the best he could manage was a backs to wall, long ball to the only world class player type approach - which isn’t sustainable for a season. It was evident there was no quality coaching, defined style of play, attacking ethos etc and he has no real record of turning bad situations around - he just makes them worse with his reactionary mentality. The writing was on the wall by Xmas.
I think we did get the real Jose, and the reality is the real Jose is a cheque book manager who is years over the hill.
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I agree with all that. If we had the calibre of defender of Terry and Carvalho at the back then we could have arguably been in a title race through Jose's tactics that served him so well in the early part of the season. But because we have Sanchez and Dier that style of play was never going to be sustainable. Doesn't say much for Jose's judgement either for him to rate the squad as highly as he did when he first came in. I bet he thought Dier was going to be his next Terry.
I think regardless of the squad he has to work with, he's lost some of that hunger and arrogance as he's got older that made him the success he was. Turned grumpier too, not suffering fools so gladly anymore, hence freezing players out and falling out with them.
posted on 26/4/21
Biggest negative for me was calling him King LOL.
posted on 26/4/21
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget. (U22178)
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Biggest negative for me was calling him King LOL.
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He was a 'king useless manager!
posted on 26/4/21
Sacking Mourhino so that Spurs would be the only club where he didn't win a trophy was a masterstroke.
posted on 26/4/21
I think you need to stand back from the Mourinho handwringing if you want to answer the OPs original question.
Undoubtedly, the worst part of the season - for any club - surely must be VAR.
posted on 27/4/21
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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No you can't. You can say the season has been disappointing, but to say the team has been negative when they have scored so many is staggering, no matter the opposition. Negative teams would be classed as a team that scored half that.
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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I said as far back as when we beat Soton 2-5 that Jose was relying on individual performances / magic. A few people said that game was a tactical masterclass from Jose.
I think time has shown he has no real plan, couldn’t coach the team and relied heavily on Son and Kane.
I’m sure early on their shot to goal ratio was incredible - and it was never going to sustain itself. Then factor in how burnt out Son has become, it’s just clear as daylight Jose didn’t know how to manage the team
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LOL did you see how the team performed before Jose, or Sunday after Jose. When are supporters like you going to realise it is the players not being good enough.
posted on 27/4/21
If the players aren't good enough why are we scoring 115 goals in a season then
posted on 27/4/21
comment by Phenom - 10Hag4boss (U20037)
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If the players aren't good enough why are we scoring 115 goals in a season then
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We had a great manager playing free flowing attacking football
posted on 27/4/21
https://twitter.com/jstevens123/status/1386675798074081282?s=19
posted on 27/4/21
Wrong then fack
posted on 27/4/21
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If the players aren't good enough why are we scoring 115 goals in a season then
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We had a great manager playing free flowing attacking football
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Then the players are good enough to do that surely
posted on 27/4/21
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posted 17 minutes ago
If the players aren't good enough why are we scoring 115 goals in a season then
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He’s a walking contradiction mate. Just does not have a clue
posted on 27/4/21
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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No you can't. You can say the season has been disappointing, but to say the team has been negative when they have scored so many is staggering, no matter the opposition. Negative teams would be classed as a team that scored half that.
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Yes you can.
And a lot of the goals scored were early on, when we had a fitness advantage, and against European farmers.
Team / squad / season / manager / results / performance - all negative
posted on 27/4/21
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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I said as far back as when we beat Soton 2-5 that Jose was relying on individual performances / magic. A few people said that game was a tactical masterclass from Jose.
I think time has shown he has no real plan, couldn’t coach the team and relied heavily on Son and Kane.
I’m sure early on their shot to goal ratio was incredible - and it was never going to sustain itself. Then factor in how burnt out Son has become, it’s just clear as daylight Jose didn’t know how to manage the team
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LOL did you see how the team performed before Jose, or Sunday after Jose. When are supporters like you going to realise it is the players not being good enough.
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Some are, some aren’t.
But they are better than what they served up.
Jose’s fault. Period
posted on 27/4/21
Only Spurs could fack up by appointing Maureen, then fack up again sacking him.
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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I said as far back as when we beat Soton 2-5 that Jose was relying on individual performances / magic. A few people said that game was a tactical masterclass from Jose.
I think time has shown he has no real plan, couldn’t coach the team and relied heavily on Son and Kane.
I’m sure early on their shot to goal ratio was incredible - and it was never going to sustain itself. Then factor in how burnt out Son has become, it’s just clear as daylight Jose didn’t know how to manage the team
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LOL did you see how the team performed before Jose, or Sunday after Jose. When are supporters like you going to realise it is the players not being good enough.
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Some are, some aren’t.
But they are better than what they served up.
Jose’s fault. Period
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Jose wasn`t in charge of the final. Whose fault was that?
posted on 27/4/21
One of the key points which I haven’t mentioned yet is that we are not fit. Our conditioning is absolutely awful. Whether because of poor squad management having so many games, or whether training and match tactics have resulted in a huge drop in our conditioning, we are simply not a fit enough side. And that is unacceptable.
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Well losing 3-0 in the Europa is the low point. The football and gutless performances though are what that, 4 and 3 come down to. That's the biggest frustration from the season. Jose looked like he had the answers early on but the terrible negative football took over and it's cost us so many points it's untrue.
It's been a real waste of a season and the worst one for over a decade.
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Spurs have scored 115 goals or something this season, the most for over 50 years, so can hardly say it has been negative
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Yes you can
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Yes because we've played so many games I would have thought.
How many points have we dropped from winning positions?
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20 points, the most in the league.
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It's a farce. No doubt mostly from Jose's tactics. I mean the lack of playing Vinicius and Bale speaks for itself.
Worst tactical moment from Jose this season? When he played Sissoko as a winger.
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His line ups and substitutions at times were bizarre. He rotated the defence virtually every game even though his tactics relied on a solid, stable defence. He never rotated Kane or Son enough, just burnt them out. There was a game when we needed a goal desperately and he brought on Lamela and Winks when we had Vinicius, Bale and Lucas on the bench. He played Sissoko as an attacking forward and left Vinicius and Bale on the bench. The set up of the team, the lack of playing style and reliance on individual brilliance, the reactionary tactics, the half time wholesale changes.
He had an absolute mare.
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I said as far back as when we beat Soton 2-5 that Jose was relying on individual performances / magic. A few people said that game was a tactical masterclass from Jose.
I think time has shown he has no real plan, couldn’t coach the team and relied heavily on Son and Kane.
I’m sure early on their shot to goal ratio was incredible - and it was never going to sustain itself. Then factor in how burnt out Son has become, it’s just clear as daylight Jose didn’t know how to manage the team
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LOL did you see how the team performed before Jose, or Sunday after Jose. When are supporters like you going to realise it is the players not being good enough.
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Some are, some aren’t.
But they are better than what they served up.
Jose’s fault. Period
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Jose wasn`t in charge of the final. Whose fault was that?
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Jose. His legacy is lack of tactics, game play, confidence, fitness. That was never going to be resolved in two days, one against the best team in the Prem.
Jose, Jose, Jose, Jose
posted on 27/4/21
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 11 minutes ago
One of the key points which I haven’t mentioned yet is that we are not fit. Our conditioning is absolutely awful. Whether because of poor squad management having so many games, or whether training and match tactics have resulted in a huge drop in our conditioning, we are simply not a fit enough side. And that is unacceptable.
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Ole said the same thing when he took over - the players were bang out of shape
posted on 27/4/21
It's funny seeing history repeating itself.
Tottenham are exactly where Arsenal were about a decade ago.
On one hand, you have a club hierarchy solely motivated by the hand-to-mouth realities of funding their stadium mortgage through consistent Champions League qualification.
And on the other, an optimistic fanbase with their heads in the clouds because of all the promises made.
Daniel Levy only cares about Top 4. Everything else is a chore.
This thread could have been lifted straight out of the Arsenal board circa 2011.
If my calculations are correct, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone at your club come out with some updated version of Wenger's famous "Top 4 is a trophy" quote some time next year.
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