it's frustrating now, they see these new variants develop and they do the exact same thing they done when it all kicked off.

nothing, they wait for it to become a problem here and then the people here deal with it.

I hope pubs, restaurants and leisure facilities say enough is enough and they’re opening under level 2 guidance from Monday regardless what they say.

It’s an absolute shambles that she’s costing these businesses thousands if not millions of pounds once again.

comment by Call Sign: #55 Predictor Titles (U3627)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 14 seconds ago
So what’s stopping us seeing as we have such a huge public confidence
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admin and staffing i imagine.


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and the absolute buffoons who refuse the vaccine because they read something on social media
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That’s a separate matter. They have a choice. The rest of the country in the main want the vaccine. We can’t protect everyone and not everyone wants protecting.

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 31 seconds ago
it's frustrating now, they see these new variants develop and they do the exact same thing they done when it all kicked off.

nothing, they wait for it to become a problem here and then the people here deal with it.
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Sorry mate but that’s also nonsense.

20,000 people flew into England the week leading up to it being on the red list without the need to quarantine in a hotel.

my concern is that at some point, we are going to get a variant which effects kids.

age of admission in hospitals was lowering, so it's not out of the question, i've always thought we were quite lucky that children were largely unaffected by this.

Time will tell i guess, fingers crossed we never have to deal with that.

for now though i think they are just delaying until vaccination programme is over, but that can't continue, the cost is too high now for business owners, they have done their bit.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 31 seconds ago
it's frustrating now, they see these new variants develop and they do the exact same thing they done when it all kicked off.

nothing, they wait for it to become a problem here and then the people here deal with it.
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Sorry mate but that’s also nonsense.
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i'm not even listening to you anymore

comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 42 seconds ago
20,000 people flew into England the week leading up to it being on the red list without the need to quarantine in a hotel.
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nonsense.

I don't like how the government seem to be changing the story every time they try and explain why they took longer to put India on the red list despite putting Pakistan & Bangladesh on it 3 weeks before them where case numbers were nowhere near the same level

Based on the data the SG used to keep Glasgow in level 3, it’s expected Glasgow will not come out of level 3 until September/October despite hospitalisation and deaths at an all time low.

comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 15 seconds ago
20,000 people flew into England the week leading up to it being on the red list without the need to quarantine in a hotel.
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Yes they did. Is anyone suggesting that doing anything short of completely closing all borders to the U.K. would have done anything other than slow down the actual variants coming in?

Can you imagine the carnage caused by such an action?

And ffs don’t anyone be daft enough to say NZ or Australia.

Yes we could have slowed it down and in that short term vaccinate more people but we’d never have stopped it.

We are the worlds best at spotting variants. We spot for other countries and we see it in our own country when it is in single figures. The notion we sit back and do nothing is utter nonsense.

It isn’t even worth arguing with.

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 31 seconds ago
it's frustrating now, they see these new variants develop and they do the exact same thing they done when it all kicked off.

nothing, they wait for it to become a problem here and then the people here deal with it.
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Sorry mate but that’s also nonsense.
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i'm not even listening to you anymore
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Clearly

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 15 seconds ago
20,000 people flew into England the week leading up to it being on the red list without the need to quarantine in a hotel.
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Yes they did. Is anyone suggesting that doing anything short of completely closing all borders to the U.K. would have done anything other than slow down the actual variants coming in?

Can you imagine the carnage caused by such an action?

And ffs don’t anyone be daft enough to say NZ or Australia.

Yes we could have slowed it down and in that short term vaccinate more people but we’d never have stopped it.

We are the worlds best at spotting variants. We spot for other countries and we see it in our own country when it is in single figures. The notion we sit back and do nothing is utter nonsense.

It isn’t even worth arguing with.
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Why weren’t the 20,000 forced to be tested and quarantined though? I’ve no issues with borders remaining open as long as when people come in they’re stuck in a hotel room for 10 days.

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anyway there's a good thread on twitter about the Indian variant and how it (hopefully) looks like the spikes in certain places in England have peaked already and coming down with no rise in hospitalisations

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't like how the government seem to be changing the story every time they try and explain why they took longer to put India on the red list despite putting Pakistan & Bangladesh on it 3 weeks before them where case numbers were nowhere near the same level
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They’re making excuses. It should have been closed earlier. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that now.

Doesn’t change the fact that with a significant Asian population it would have found its way in. We have been informed for months that we’d get variants.

So what does anyone want to do? On this thread alone I’ve read “fwck it, open things up anyway”, “close the borders”, “do it quicker”, “vaccinate everyone now”; “learn to live with it”.

Christ. My head is exploding

it's the cost of doing business.

we want to open up here again? need to be more proactive.

the thing that worries me is that should we ever face another pandemic they will dither again before closing borders.

good news (fingers crossed)

https://mobile.twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1394359535754698755

comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 15 seconds ago
20,000 people flew into England the week leading up to it being on the red list without the need to quarantine in a hotel.
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Yes they did. Is anyone suggesting that doing anything short of completely closing all borders to the U.K. would have done anything other than slow down the actual variants coming in?

Can you imagine the carnage caused by such an action?

And ffs don’t anyone be daft enough to say NZ or Australia.

Yes we could have slowed it down and in that short term vaccinate more people but we’d never have stopped it.

We are the worlds best at spotting variants. We spot for other countries and we see it in our own country when it is in single figures. The notion we sit back and do nothing is utter nonsense.

It isn’t even worth arguing with.
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Why weren’t the 20,000 forced to be tested and quarantined though? I’ve no issues with borders remaining open as long as when people come in they’re stuck in a hotel room for 10 days.
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Because it wasn’t on a red list.

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 1 minute ago
anyway there's a good thread on twitter about the Indian variant and how it (hopefully) looks like the spikes in certain places in England have peaked already and coming down with no rise in hospitalisations


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Or alternatively it was seen quickly and reacted to it as opposed to we sat doing nothing

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 15 seconds ago
20,000 people flew into England the week leading up to it being on the red list without the need to quarantine in a hotel.
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Yes they did. Is anyone suggesting that doing anything short of completely closing all borders to the U.K. would have done anything other than slow down the actual variants coming in?

Can you imagine the carnage caused by such an action?

And ffs don’t anyone be daft enough to say NZ or Australia.

Yes we could have slowed it down and in that short term vaccinate more people but we’d never have stopped it.

We are the worlds best at spotting variants. We spot for other countries and we see it in our own country when it is in single figures. The notion we sit back and do nothing is utter nonsense.

It isn’t even worth arguing with.
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Why weren’t the 20,000 forced to be tested and quarantined though? I’ve no issues with borders remaining open as long as when people come in they’re stuck in a hotel room for 10 days.
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Because it wasn’t on a red list.
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Exactly, we actually gave everyone in India a 2 week notice period to fly in and not isolate

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't like how the government seem to be changing the story every time they try and explain why they took longer to put India on the red list despite putting Pakistan & Bangladesh on it 3 weeks before them where case numbers were nowhere near the same level
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They’re making excuses. It should have been closed earlier. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that now.

Doesn’t change the fact that with a significant Asian population it would have found its way in. We have been informed for months that we’d get variants.

So what does anyone want to do? On this thread alone I’ve read “fwck it, open things up anyway”, “close the borders”, “do it quicker”, “vaccinate everyone now”; “learn to live with it”.

Christ. My head is exploding
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i mean, as a generally rule of thumb i just take whatever you say mate and do the opposite, Lawrence Fox.

comment by lexballielegend (U22335)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am beginning to question the people advising on this, and whether they are enjoying the power trip and are reluctant to see the end anytime soon as they wont get their coupons on the Telly anymore.
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Of course they are. What happened to learn and live with it?

We actually are trying our best down here to do exactly that but usual culprits sit back under Scottish lockdowns and blame the south for doing exactly that.

Or alternatively it was seen quickly and reacted to it as opposed to we sat doing nothing



well yes and no

yes because of the speed of the vaccine roll out

no because it's still spreading quickly through the unvaccinated population so there's not as many people left to infect due to the vaccine so its burning out

comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 15 seconds ago
20,000 people flew into England the week leading up to it being on the red list without the need to quarantine in a hotel.
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Yes they did. Is anyone suggesting that doing anything short of completely closing all borders to the U.K. would have done anything other than slow down the actual variants coming in?

Can you imagine the carnage caused by such an action?

And ffs don’t anyone be daft enough to say NZ or Australia.

Yes we could have slowed it down and in that short term vaccinate more people but we’d never have stopped it.

We are the worlds best at spotting variants. We spot for other countries and we see it in our own country when it is in single figures. The notion we sit back and do nothing is utter nonsense.

It isn’t even worth arguing with.
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Why weren’t the 20,000 forced to be tested and quarantined though? I’ve no issues with borders remaining open as long as when people come in they’re stuck in a hotel room for 10 days.
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Because it wasn’t on a red list.
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Exactly, we actually gave everyone in India a 2 week notice period to fly in and not isolate
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No we didn’t. The 20,000 was in the 3 days notice given.