We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters’ representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income. All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now.
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All lead by one of the most racist, homophobic, corrupt, 'sort my rich mates out' governments we've ever had. I have NO faith in any of that.....sorry
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
How are the protecting their jobs. Linekar and Co would all work as punters for SkySports coverage of the proposed ESL for even more money they get now.
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Sky were never invited to negotiate, an American TV network would have been the main provider. That's why Perez was so keen about having ad breaks in the middle of each half.
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im using Sky as an example... whoever gets the gig to host it will still employ the same old familiar faces to present it. But with bigger wages no doubt.
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You already see many of the familiar faces from UK networks popping up on international/foreign broadcasts.
ESL would have just been another potential revenue stream, so jobs/money is clearly not a factor.
comment by Vorsprung durch Tuchel (U1641)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 14 seconds ago
Am I missing something, Neville keeps banging on about the 6 clubs forming a breakaway league and leaving the prem but the Super league wasn't about leaving the prem, it was just another euro competition alongside the prem?
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I believe it was sold to some of the clubs as just an alternative the the UEFA competions, not a complete withdrawl from all domestic competitions which is what it would have been.
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The winners of the ESL would have to play an extra 23 games a season I believe with their competition structure. Added to all the other competitions it was completely unfeasible they could stay in all domestic and UEFA competitions. They claimed they wanted to though.
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The proposal was never to leave any domestic competition, Thats just some bullshiiiit neville was spreading and everyone else lapped up.
There was nothing legally stopping them from withdrawing from UEFA competitions and forming their own, which is why the Premier League has rushed to bring in legislation
Clubs could easily have competed in all competitions, the new CL proposals have a 10 game group stage, as well as the potential 7 fixtures thereafter, It would only take slightly larger squads and withdrawal/second strings competing in the domestic cups.
It was never about withdrawal from English football, thats just the heartstrings the football elite, who benefit from the established order tugged on to make fans compliant.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 34 seconds ago
We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters’ representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income. All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now.
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All lead by one of the most racist, homophobic, corrupt, 'sort my rich mates out' governments we've ever had. I have NO faith in any of that.....sorry
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True, Joel Glazer and Stan Kronke would have Bojo's number on speed dial.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 47 seconds ago
We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters’ representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income. All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now.
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All lead by one of the most racist, homophobic, corrupt, 'sort my rich mates out' governments we've ever had. I have NO faith in any of that.....sorry
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PL Football clearly has not got much future in this country.
Nobody is asking you to vote for the GVT in return.
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
How are the protecting their jobs. Linekar and Co would all work as punters for SkySports coverage of the proposed ESL for even more money they get now.
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Sky were never invited to negotiate, an American TV network would have been the main provider. That's why Perez was so keen about having ad breaks in the middle of each half.
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im using Sky as an example... whoever gets the gig to host it will still employ the same old familiar faces to present it. But with bigger wages no doubt.
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Doesnt Neville own a club? I wonder why he didnt like the proposals.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
How are the protecting their jobs. Linekar and Co would all work as punters for SkySports coverage of the proposed ESL for even more money they get now.
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Sky were never invited to negotiate, an American TV network would have been the main provider. That's why Perez was so keen about having ad breaks in the middle of each half.
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im using Sky as an example... whoever gets the gig to host it will still employ the same old familiar faces to present it. But with bigger wages no doubt.
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Doesnt Neville own a club? I wonder why he didnt like the proposals.
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Yes he does partly. Why do you think he is against them?
Clubs could easily have competed in all competitions, the new CL proposals have a 10 game group stage, as well as the potential 7 fixtures thereafter, It would only take slightly larger squads and withdrawal/second strings competing in the domestic cups.
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You’re right that they could just have massive squads. I personally believe the ESL were aware of the possibility that they’d have to leave at least some domestic or UEFA competitions for an additional 23 games a season to be feasible. A club going far in all competitions would have to play around 80-90 games in a season which is ridiculous.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
How are the protecting their jobs. Linekar and Co would all work as punters for SkySports coverage of the proposed ESL for even more money they get now.
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Sky were never invited to negotiate, an American TV network would have been the main provider. That's why Perez was so keen about having ad breaks in the middle of each half.
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im using Sky as an example... whoever gets the gig to host it will still employ the same old familiar faces to present it. But with bigger wages no doubt.
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Doesnt Neville own a club? I wonder why he didnt like the proposals.
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I would expect any owner of clubs down the lower league pyramids to well within their rights be against such a move, wouldn’t you?
I would expect any owner of clubs down the lower league pyramids to well within their rights be against such a move, wouldn’t you?
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In English?
I’m sure you could work out it for yourself, but *to be well within their rights
comment by Vorsprung durch Tuchel (U1641)
posted 2 minutes ago
Clubs could easily have competed in all competitions, the new CL proposals have a 10 game group stage, as well as the potential 7 fixtures thereafter, It would only take slightly larger squads and withdrawal/second strings competing in the domestic cups.
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You’re right that they could just have massive squads. I personally believe the ESL were aware of the possibility that they’d have to leave at least some domestic or UEFA competitions for an additional 23 games a season to be feasible. A club going far in all competitions would have to play around 80-90 games in a season which is ridiculous.
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you are taking 23 games (potential, with the majority playing 18) against a potential 17 games under the new CL model (with the majority playing 10)
The difference is literally the second string playing in the League cup. or the FA cup. even if you had these games within two days of a ESL fixture you could still easily field and 18 man squad by boosting the traditional squad size from 24 to 29, thats two sets of starting 11 players plus 7 bench players (able to play in both games)
it was very easily achievable. The fearmongering about withdrawal from domestic competitions was always nonsense, The PL clubs were NEVER going to throw away the circa £175m you get for winning the Premier league
the £350m a year competition was to replace the £100m a year you get if you WIN the CL, nothing else.
comment by Vorsprung durch Tuchel (U1641)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
How are the protecting their jobs. Linekar and Co would all work as punters for SkySports coverage of the proposed ESL for even more money they get now.
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Sky were never invited to negotiate, an American TV network would have been the main provider. That's why Perez was so keen about having ad breaks in the middle of each half.
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im using Sky as an example... whoever gets the gig to host it will still employ the same old familiar faces to present it. But with bigger wages no doubt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesnt Neville own a club? I wonder why he didnt like the proposals.
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I would expect any owner of clubs down the lower league pyramids to well within their rights be against such a move, wouldn’t you?
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Particularly neville and his Class of '96 team mates, who have invested heavily to boost this team up the league, Seen as an alternative for Anti-Glazer Mancs, their appeal instantly dries up with the formation of a Super League doesnt it?
"the £350m a year competition was to replace the £100m a year you get if you WIN the CL, nothing else. "
You really believe that?
comment by Vorsprung durch Tuchel (U1641)
posted 1 second ago
I’m sure you could work out it for yourself, but *to be well within their rights
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Yes, all club owners out of the Big 6 in the English FA Pyramid are (rightly) against the ESL proposals as they stand as it threatens their own existence. Including Gary Neville.
So what's your point?
I wont be surprised to see the ESL back as a Bi-annual summer tournament tbh, Probably played wherever they can make the most money now instead, as a showcase in places like Dubai no doubt.
The plans wont be dead, some of these clubs are dangerously close to collapsing the entire football pyramid anyway.
if a Madrid or Barca goes under there will be a domino effect. One thing the ESL had right was baked in sustainable spending plans as a rule of participation, unlike the UEFA half assed plans.
RB&W I think I’ve misread your first post I replied to, I’m in agreement, apologies
comment by Vorsprung durch Tuchel (U1641)
posted 23 seconds ago
RB&W I think I’ve misread your first post I replied to, I’m in agreement, apologies
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comment by TheSpecialWUM (U9028)
posted 1 minute ago
"the £350m a year competition was to replace the £100m a year you get if you WIN the CL, nothing else. "
You really believe that?
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That was literally the proposal, Please, feel free to actually read it.
All they were withdrawing from was UEFA, who cream insane amounts of money off the top of these clubs.
An extremely corrupt organisation, that were fighting to protect themselves, not football.
The plans werent perfect by any means, But i understand the need for a consistent product, and i understand why the owners of the clubs needed the guaranteed incomes to boost their squad sizes and depth as much as they would have needed to.
The amount of people who didnt even read the proposal but are so vehementley against it staggers me.
It was no different to the top 20 clubs in england taking their ball away from the FA pyramid to form the football league, and Uefa were quite happy to watch the English FA get it stuck to them.
to form the Premier League *
It was no different to the top 20 clubs in england taking their ball away from the FA pyramid to form the football league
+++
eh?
The Premier League is part of the Football Pyramid
As has been pointed out, the highly paid presenters will continue to make plenty of money from sports broadcasting (should they want to) if another league and another broadcaster takes over. Gary Lineker is the face of the BBC but pops up on BT Sports now they have the rights to more live football. Neville and Carragher aren't owned by Sky, and won't go down on that ship if it lost its market position. If those pundits were guided by pure self-interest, they would probably be more guarded in their comments about the Super League.
So I think the cynicism of several posters above is misplaced. But even if the public figures supporting the petition are self-serving, we should judge the petition on its content, not who signed it. And it's disappointing to see several posters (even consistently pisspoor ones like Boris) come out against it so soon after we had near unanimity in disgust at the idea of the ESL.
Let's just recap the implications of the Super League.
1) It would be controlled by a self-selected group of rich clubs, who would be permanent members of the league (regardless of sporting performance in the SL itself or in their domestic leagues).
2) Some other clubs would be invited to participate from season to season, but without those guarantees or the regular revenue streams involved.
3) It would ring-fence higher revenue for the member clubs in perpetuity, vastly increasing and cementing their existing financial advantage over other clubs.
4) The impact on domestic leagues, should they continue to take part in them, would be catastrophic. The PL would contain 6 clubs that exist in a different financial galaxy to the others, so could blow them out of the water in terms of salaries and transfer fees. In addition, those 6 clubs would never face any jeopardy or incentives to qualify for elite European competition. The remaining 14 clubs might compete to get an invitation to the ESL (in which they would compete at a financial disadvantage) or to qualify for the UEFA CL as the highest placed non-ESL club. It would be a two-tier league which meant much less than before, particularly to the biggest clubs.
Even if you don't agree with the specifics of the petition or you don't sympathise with the people who are promoting it, I really don't understand the impulse to sneer at that, and effectively bend yourself over in anticipation of Super League 2.0.
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
It was no different to the top 20 clubs in england taking their ball away from the FA pyramid to form the football league
+++
eh?
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Yep, the SL was fundamentally, qualitatively different from the PL. The PL isn't owned by the top 20 clubs, there is promotion and relegation, and there are no permanent members. That's the point of an unbroken pyramid. ESL clubs were guaranteed participation in perpetuity. No relegation. Non-members were not.
I don't get it.
these "pundits" want to set up a quango to sit and get paid to basically do nothing?
what would an "independant" football regulator do? bar get england suspended by fifa?
would it resolve the snouts in the trough when billionaires hoover up clubs? they never cared before?
why would passing a law not basically do the same thing? all sports clubs in the uk must compete in UK competitions etc etc.
why would the FA not be able to "regulate" its own game?
why would we need an "independent" organisation to interfere no doubt staffed at a nice pay rate by the signatories?
I don't see the point of wanting a quango to do the job of the FA that could be done using legislation to compel all sports bodies to play in their own uk leagues?
I mean what is today to stop engish rugby union clubs joining up with french clubs to create a break away european league to replace the European cup they have already bent the arm of the rest to take the money from?
the answer is nothing so why should football think its the only sport with an issue.
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posted on 17/5/21
We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters’ representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income. All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now.
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All lead by one of the most racist, homophobic, corrupt, 'sort my rich mates out' governments we've ever had. I have NO faith in any of that.....sorry
posted on 17/5/21
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
How are the protecting their jobs. Linekar and Co would all work as punters for SkySports coverage of the proposed ESL for even more money they get now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sky were never invited to negotiate, an American TV network would have been the main provider. That's why Perez was so keen about having ad breaks in the middle of each half.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
im using Sky as an example... whoever gets the gig to host it will still employ the same old familiar faces to present it. But with bigger wages no doubt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You already see many of the familiar faces from UK networks popping up on international/foreign broadcasts.
ESL would have just been another potential revenue stream, so jobs/money is clearly not a factor.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Vorsprung durch Tuchel (U1641)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 14 seconds ago
Am I missing something, Neville keeps banging on about the 6 clubs forming a breakaway league and leaving the prem but the Super league wasn't about leaving the prem, it was just another euro competition alongside the prem?
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I believe it was sold to some of the clubs as just an alternative the the UEFA competions, not a complete withdrawl from all domestic competitions which is what it would have been.
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The winners of the ESL would have to play an extra 23 games a season I believe with their competition structure. Added to all the other competitions it was completely unfeasible they could stay in all domestic and UEFA competitions. They claimed they wanted to though.
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The proposal was never to leave any domestic competition, Thats just some bullshiiiit neville was spreading and everyone else lapped up.
There was nothing legally stopping them from withdrawing from UEFA competitions and forming their own, which is why the Premier League has rushed to bring in legislation
Clubs could easily have competed in all competitions, the new CL proposals have a 10 game group stage, as well as the potential 7 fixtures thereafter, It would only take slightly larger squads and withdrawal/second strings competing in the domestic cups.
It was never about withdrawal from English football, thats just the heartstrings the football elite, who benefit from the established order tugged on to make fans compliant.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 34 seconds ago
We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters’ representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income. All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now.
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All lead by one of the most racist, homophobic, corrupt, 'sort my rich mates out' governments we've ever had. I have NO faith in any of that.....sorry
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True, Joel Glazer and Stan Kronke would have Bojo's number on speed dial.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 47 seconds ago
We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters’ representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income. All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now.
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All lead by one of the most racist, homophobic, corrupt, 'sort my rich mates out' governments we've ever had. I have NO faith in any of that.....sorry
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PL Football clearly has not got much future in this country.
Nobody is asking you to vote for the GVT in return.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
How are the protecting their jobs. Linekar and Co would all work as punters for SkySports coverage of the proposed ESL for even more money they get now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sky were never invited to negotiate, an American TV network would have been the main provider. That's why Perez was so keen about having ad breaks in the middle of each half.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
im using Sky as an example... whoever gets the gig to host it will still employ the same old familiar faces to present it. But with bigger wages no doubt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesnt Neville own a club? I wonder why he didnt like the proposals.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
How are the protecting their jobs. Linekar and Co would all work as punters for SkySports coverage of the proposed ESL for even more money they get now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sky were never invited to negotiate, an American TV network would have been the main provider. That's why Perez was so keen about having ad breaks in the middle of each half.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
im using Sky as an example... whoever gets the gig to host it will still employ the same old familiar faces to present it. But with bigger wages no doubt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesnt Neville own a club? I wonder why he didnt like the proposals.
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Yes he does partly. Why do you think he is against them?
posted on 17/5/21
Clubs could easily have competed in all competitions, the new CL proposals have a 10 game group stage, as well as the potential 7 fixtures thereafter, It would only take slightly larger squads and withdrawal/second strings competing in the domestic cups.
———————————
You’re right that they could just have massive squads. I personally believe the ESL were aware of the possibility that they’d have to leave at least some domestic or UEFA competitions for an additional 23 games a season to be feasible. A club going far in all competitions would have to play around 80-90 games in a season which is ridiculous.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
How are the protecting their jobs. Linekar and Co would all work as punters for SkySports coverage of the proposed ESL for even more money they get now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sky were never invited to negotiate, an American TV network would have been the main provider. That's why Perez was so keen about having ad breaks in the middle of each half.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
im using Sky as an example... whoever gets the gig to host it will still employ the same old familiar faces to present it. But with bigger wages no doubt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesnt Neville own a club? I wonder why he didnt like the proposals.
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I would expect any owner of clubs down the lower league pyramids to well within their rights be against such a move, wouldn’t you?
posted on 17/5/21
I would expect any owner of clubs down the lower league pyramids to well within their rights be against such a move, wouldn’t you?
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In English?
posted on 17/5/21
I’m sure you could work out it for yourself, but *to be well within their rights
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Vorsprung durch Tuchel (U1641)
posted 2 minutes ago
Clubs could easily have competed in all competitions, the new CL proposals have a 10 game group stage, as well as the potential 7 fixtures thereafter, It would only take slightly larger squads and withdrawal/second strings competing in the domestic cups.
———————————
You’re right that they could just have massive squads. I personally believe the ESL were aware of the possibility that they’d have to leave at least some domestic or UEFA competitions for an additional 23 games a season to be feasible. A club going far in all competitions would have to play around 80-90 games in a season which is ridiculous.
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you are taking 23 games (potential, with the majority playing 18) against a potential 17 games under the new CL model (with the majority playing 10)
The difference is literally the second string playing in the League cup. or the FA cup. even if you had these games within two days of a ESL fixture you could still easily field and 18 man squad by boosting the traditional squad size from 24 to 29, thats two sets of starting 11 players plus 7 bench players (able to play in both games)
it was very easily achievable. The fearmongering about withdrawal from domestic competitions was always nonsense, The PL clubs were NEVER going to throw away the circa £175m you get for winning the Premier league
the £350m a year competition was to replace the £100m a year you get if you WIN the CL, nothing else.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Vorsprung durch Tuchel (U1641)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
How are the protecting their jobs. Linekar and Co would all work as punters for SkySports coverage of the proposed ESL for even more money they get now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sky were never invited to negotiate, an American TV network would have been the main provider. That's why Perez was so keen about having ad breaks in the middle of each half.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
im using Sky as an example... whoever gets the gig to host it will still employ the same old familiar faces to present it. But with bigger wages no doubt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesnt Neville own a club? I wonder why he didnt like the proposals.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would expect any owner of clubs down the lower league pyramids to well within their rights be against such a move, wouldn’t you?
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Particularly neville and his Class of '96 team mates, who have invested heavily to boost this team up the league, Seen as an alternative for Anti-Glazer Mancs, their appeal instantly dries up with the formation of a Super League doesnt it?
posted on 17/5/21
"the £350m a year competition was to replace the £100m a year you get if you WIN the CL, nothing else. "
You really believe that?
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Vorsprung durch Tuchel (U1641)
posted 1 second ago
I’m sure you could work out it for yourself, but *to be well within their rights
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Yes, all club owners out of the Big 6 in the English FA Pyramid are (rightly) against the ESL proposals as they stand as it threatens their own existence. Including Gary Neville.
So what's your point?
posted on 17/5/21
I wont be surprised to see the ESL back as a Bi-annual summer tournament tbh, Probably played wherever they can make the most money now instead, as a showcase in places like Dubai no doubt.
The plans wont be dead, some of these clubs are dangerously close to collapsing the entire football pyramid anyway.
if a Madrid or Barca goes under there will be a domino effect. One thing the ESL had right was baked in sustainable spending plans as a rule of participation, unlike the UEFA half assed plans.
posted on 17/5/21
RB&W I think I’ve misread your first post I replied to, I’m in agreement, apologies
posted on 17/5/21
comment by Vorsprung durch Tuchel (U1641)
posted 23 seconds ago
RB&W I think I’ve misread your first post I replied to, I’m in agreement, apologies
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posted on 17/5/21
comment by TheSpecialWUM (U9028)
posted 1 minute ago
"the £350m a year competition was to replace the £100m a year you get if you WIN the CL, nothing else. "
You really believe that?
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That was literally the proposal, Please, feel free to actually read it.
All they were withdrawing from was UEFA, who cream insane amounts of money off the top of these clubs.
An extremely corrupt organisation, that were fighting to protect themselves, not football.
The plans werent perfect by any means, But i understand the need for a consistent product, and i understand why the owners of the clubs needed the guaranteed incomes to boost their squad sizes and depth as much as they would have needed to.
The amount of people who didnt even read the proposal but are so vehementley against it staggers me.
It was no different to the top 20 clubs in england taking their ball away from the FA pyramid to form the football league, and Uefa were quite happy to watch the English FA get it stuck to them.
posted on 17/5/21
to form the Premier League *
posted on 17/5/21
It was no different to the top 20 clubs in england taking their ball away from the FA pyramid to form the football league
+++
eh?
posted on 17/5/21
The Premier League is part of the Football Pyramid
posted on 17/5/21
As has been pointed out, the highly paid presenters will continue to make plenty of money from sports broadcasting (should they want to) if another league and another broadcaster takes over. Gary Lineker is the face of the BBC but pops up on BT Sports now they have the rights to more live football. Neville and Carragher aren't owned by Sky, and won't go down on that ship if it lost its market position. If those pundits were guided by pure self-interest, they would probably be more guarded in their comments about the Super League.
So I think the cynicism of several posters above is misplaced. But even if the public figures supporting the petition are self-serving, we should judge the petition on its content, not who signed it. And it's disappointing to see several posters (even consistently pisspoor ones like Boris) come out against it so soon after we had near unanimity in disgust at the idea of the ESL.
Let's just recap the implications of the Super League.
1) It would be controlled by a self-selected group of rich clubs, who would be permanent members of the league (regardless of sporting performance in the SL itself or in their domestic leagues).
2) Some other clubs would be invited to participate from season to season, but without those guarantees or the regular revenue streams involved.
3) It would ring-fence higher revenue for the member clubs in perpetuity, vastly increasing and cementing their existing financial advantage over other clubs.
4) The impact on domestic leagues, should they continue to take part in them, would be catastrophic. The PL would contain 6 clubs that exist in a different financial galaxy to the others, so could blow them out of the water in terms of salaries and transfer fees. In addition, those 6 clubs would never face any jeopardy or incentives to qualify for elite European competition. The remaining 14 clubs might compete to get an invitation to the ESL (in which they would compete at a financial disadvantage) or to qualify for the UEFA CL as the highest placed non-ESL club. It would be a two-tier league which meant much less than before, particularly to the biggest clubs.
Even if you don't agree with the specifics of the petition or you don't sympathise with the people who are promoting it, I really don't understand the impulse to sneer at that, and effectively bend yourself over in anticipation of Super League 2.0.
posted on 17/5/21
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
It was no different to the top 20 clubs in england taking their ball away from the FA pyramid to form the football league
+++
eh?
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Yep, the SL was fundamentally, qualitatively different from the PL. The PL isn't owned by the top 20 clubs, there is promotion and relegation, and there are no permanent members. That's the point of an unbroken pyramid. ESL clubs were guaranteed participation in perpetuity. No relegation. Non-members were not.
posted on 17/5/21
I don't get it.
these "pundits" want to set up a quango to sit and get paid to basically do nothing?
what would an "independant" football regulator do? bar get england suspended by fifa?
would it resolve the snouts in the trough when billionaires hoover up clubs? they never cared before?
why would passing a law not basically do the same thing? all sports clubs in the uk must compete in UK competitions etc etc.
why would the FA not be able to "regulate" its own game?
why would we need an "independent" organisation to interfere no doubt staffed at a nice pay rate by the signatories?
I don't see the point of wanting a quango to do the job of the FA that could be done using legislation to compel all sports bodies to play in their own uk leagues?
I mean what is today to stop engish rugby union clubs joining up with french clubs to create a break away european league to replace the European cup they have already bent the arm of the rest to take the money from?
the answer is nothing so why should football think its the only sport with an issue.
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