The stadium and training ground are a pretty decent legacy. They both took a lot of hard work to see through to completion, and we should be grateful for that kind of investment.
Shame they undid a lot of that good work with the super league nonsense, but on balance they've been good for the club.
Let's wait and see what the summer brings.
Do you actually think it's the job of random fans on a football forum to propose genuine candidates for a multi-billion corporate takeover?
So what or who are the alternatives to ENIC?
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Literally anybody with bucket loads of cash and a desire to make Spurs successful on the pitch as well as off it.
There are plenty of multi billionaire individuals or organisations out there that could afford to buy us and make us winners, if they so wanted.
The only problem is ENIC will almost certainly value the club at more than what is sensible, hence making a deal to take it over unlikely.
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do you actually think it's the job of random fans on a football forum to propose genuine candidates for a multi-billion corporate takeover?
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No not at all. Fans have zero influence on who comes and goes, so that is why I don`t get why fans on here constantly say that ENIC have to go, when anything they say is irrelevant. There seems to be lots of fans on this football forum wanting ENIC removed, so if they want them removed, they must have an idea on who they want to replace them.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
So what or who are the alternatives to ENIC?
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Literally anybody with bucket loads of cash and a desire to make Spurs successful on the pitch as well as off it.
There are plenty of multi billionaire individuals or organisations out there that could afford to buy us and make us winners, if they so wanted.
The only problem is ENIC will almost certainly value the club at more than what is sensible, hence making a deal to take it over unlikely.
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Problem is Billy there are lots of people around the world with bucket loads of cash, but none in all probability interested in investing in a football club for a couple of billion.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
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I agree, its hardly good for morale.
Would it have killed him to wait 6 days until the end of the season?
The timing of events at Spurs is always off. Sacking Jose so close to the end of the season and 6 days before the LC final was madness.
Masons jobs for my mates team selection has been hopeless and whatever folk thought of Jose our lazy overpaid gang of players would fack any manager over.
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 ho... (U20567)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do you actually think it's the job of random fans on a football forum to propose genuine candidates for a multi-billion corporate takeover?
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No not at all. Fans have zero influence on who comes and goes, so that is why I don`t get why fans on here constantly say that ENIC have to go, when anything they say is irrelevant. There seems to be lots of fans on this football forum wanting ENIC removed, so if they want them removed, they must have an idea on who they want to replace them.
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By this logic, every opinion on here (including yours in this post, this article and everywhere else) is irrelevant.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
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I agree, its hardly good for morale.
Would it have killed him to wait 6 days until the end of the season?
The timing of events at Spurs is always off. Sacking Jose so close to the end of the season and 6 days before the LC final was madness.
Masons jobs for my mates team selection has been hopeless and whatever folk thought of Jose our lazy overpaid gang of players would fack any manager over.
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I fully agree with the main point here. It was obvious to me, and I assume most other people, that we would get a deflated performance from the players, given they listen to the news the same as everyone else.
For me, firstly ask yourself, has Kane actually come out and said he wants to leave ? Second, given there is / has been a daily campaign from the media to keep this "story" in the news, having known the impact it would have particularly on Kane but also the players, why has Levy not come out and deigned the rumors ?
Then there is the question of the press. Yet another one getting in on the act this morning. Shearer chucking in his own two bob's worth, and whether their actions in this are even legal. Their actions in all of this has been even lower than they normally go. These people have basically decided Kane must leave Spurs. That cannot be right. They all know the impact their comments will have on Spurs. Paul Merson must have said to himself "job done" and "my actions / cunning plan has aloud Arsenal to finish above them" how clever am I.
To me this whole thing stinks and has fully contributed to Spurs falling away in the last few games. The disruption within the club is obvious for all to see.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s interesting that if you believe the reports that Kane & Levy had a Gentlemen’s agreement (WTF that is ?) that he could leave at the end of this year then it may explain the lack of intensity the team has shown this year. Kane basically playing for himself to get a megabucks deal to City and everyone else sitting around thinking “WTF are we gonna do when he leaves ?, no way Levy is gonna strengthen the team”. Pep was 100% right when he called us “The Harry Kane Team”....This has all been about Levy’s Legacy aka “the stadium” and avoiding as much fan aggro as possible “Putting Kane on a pedestal which was always a ridiculous decision in a team sport..... The management of our club has been a farce for the past 3 years.
Everybody knew at the time Pooch was right, He and the team had gone stale and Levy wasn’t prepared to listen. It’s gross mismanagement and he should resign. Whether ENIC sell up is a totally separate issue
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s interesting that if you believe the reports that Kane & Levy had a Gentlemen’s agreement (WTF that is ?) that he could leave at the end of this year then it may explain the lack of intensity the team has shown this year. Kane basically playing for himself to get a megabucks deal to City and everyone else sitting around thinking “WTF are we gonna do when he leaves ?, no way Levy is gonna strengthen the team”. Pep was 100% right when he called us “The Harry Kane Team”....This has all been about Levy’s Legacy aka “the stadium” and avoiding as much fan aggro as possible “Putting Kane on a pedestal which was always a ridiculous decision in a team sport..... The management of our club has been a farce for the past 3 years.
Everybody knew at the time Pooch was right, He and the team had gone stale and Levy wasn’t prepared to listen. It’s gross mismanagement and he should resign. Whether ENIC sell up is a totally separate issue
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Levy owns 25% of Enic which owns 85% of Spurs. Joe Lewis looks on Levy as a son, so it’s unlikely you would get your wish re Levy leaving.
I think our main problem is our scouting system, we never seem to have the right connections to find gems like Kante, N’Didi like Leicester and other clubs do.
Get the scouting right, bring in a forward thinking manager and build up through bringing younger players through. We should have kept Walker-Peters too.
If you didn't have them, then you wouldn't exist as a club. Their money is what keeps your club going.
I'm conflicted because you can't (sensibly) argue with the overall landscape of the club under ENIC - we've gone from mid-table nobodies to top 6 and they have delivered word class facilities.
That being said there's always been the underlying unease that they are a money-first operation and all the progress has been to line their pockets. They were clever to install Levy as the public face of the operation as he is clearly a Spurs man and in the early years he deflected the anger and attention from the soulless book balancing of the operation.
Working within the framework that ENIC set out matched with Levy's shortcomings on the football side of things have led to our current predicament and fan frustration.
Ultimately it doesn't matter who owns us, football is all about money now and unless we adopt a German style model (not gonna happen) then we are doomed to soulless investment firms or a rich Sugar Daddy with questionable morals.
I'm with you on this one Sandy.
I think we're all tired of the methods of the current ownership but in the entire history of the sport only three teams have been taken over by super rich owners that care little about throwing billions at a squad and that's City, Chelsea and PSG. Every other club including all the traditional giants have to live within their means. The chances of us becoming the fourth are tiny. What's more likely if ENIC do sell up is that they'll be replaced by owners equally hellbent on getting a return in their investment, except they're unlikely to be childhood spurs fans like Lewis and we wouldn't have the most ruthless negotiator in the Premier League on our side in Levy.
Be careful what you wish for.
I'm in favour of ENIC putting a hefty price on the club as if anyone comes sniffing around and they try and haggle down constantly, then that gives us an idea of just how thrifty they might be when recruiting players. What we want is for ENIC to put an inflated price tag on but for some super-rich Middle-Eastern prince with, let's face it, an atrocious human rights record, to pay the money without flinching. Then we can comfortably say we've struck gold. That is very, very unlikely though. I mean, Arsenal fans are desperate for this Spotify bloke to take them over but how sure are they that it will work out.
Those that tend to have made their money from nothing are those more likely to be careful about spending it so business owners are good business owners because they don't make rash stupid decisions. Very rarely do you get owners like Abramovich who just want a toy and are willing to plough billions in. Even then there are some suggestions his involvement with Chelsea is more political than anything else. The state sponsored clubs, City and PSG, are both owned by families that have always had money and are therefore don't see the value in tightening belts. They've never had to. if you're born into money you're more like to be blasé about it.
If you rule out the oligarchs and the princes, we could do a lot worse than our current ownership.
The Enic out protests are largely pointless. Any new owner / consortium would be just as profit driven, if not more so.
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 8 hours, 19 minutes ago
The Enic out protests are largely pointless. Any new owner / consortium would be just as profit driven, if not more so.
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Is Ambramovic "profit driven"?
It was more about laundering dirty money with him.
And he could afford to lose some of it to build a winning club.
Worked for him in the long run.
And for the Chelsea fans!
Recent history tells us that another Ambramovic would be far preferable to ENIC.
But now the situation has gotten to rock bottom where the squad is disintegrating.
Kane will go
Son will go.
Back four needs to be totally upgraded.
Perhaps new ownership would be best?
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 hours, 30 minutes ago
I'm with you on this one Sandy.
I think we're all tired of the methods of the current ownership but in the entire history of the sport only three teams have been taken over by super rich owners that care little about throwing billions at a squad and that's City, Chelsea and PSG. Every other club including all the traditional giants have to live within their means. The chances of us becoming the fourth are tiny. What's more likely if ENIC do sell up is that they'll be replaced by owners equally hellbent on getting a return in their investment, except they're unlikely to be childhood spurs fans like Lewis and we wouldn't have the most ruthless negotiator in the Premier League on our side in Levy.
Be careful what you wish for.
I'm in favour of ENIC putting a hefty price on the club as if anyone comes sniffing around and they try and haggle down constantly, then that gives us an idea of just how thrifty they might be when recruiting players. What we want is for ENIC to put an inflated price tag on but for some super-rich Middle-Eastern prince with, let's face it, an atrocious human rights record, to pay the money without flinching. Then we can comfortably say we've struck gold. That is very, very unlikely though. I mean, Arsenal fans are desperate for this Spotify bloke to take them over but how sure are they that it will work out.
Those that tend to have made their money from nothing are those more likely to be careful about spending it so business owners are good business owners because they don't make rash stupid decisions. Very rarely do you get owners like Abramovich who just want a toy and are willing to plough billions in. Even then there are some suggestions his involvement with Chelsea is more political than anything else. The state sponsored clubs, City and PSG, are both owned by families that have always had money and are therefore don't see the value in tightening belts. They've never had to. if you're born into money you're more like to be blasé about it.
If you rule out the oligarchs and the princes, we could do a lot worse than our current ownership.
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Fridgeboy………………it’s Levy who has supported Spurs since childhood!🤔
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 12 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s interesting that if you believe the reports that Kane & Levy had a Gentlemen’s agreement (WTF that is ?) that he could leave at the end of this year then it may explain the lack of intensity the team has shown this year. Kane basically playing for himself to get a megabucks deal to City and everyone else sitting around thinking “WTF are we gonna do when he leaves ?, no way Levy is gonna strengthen the team”. Pep was 100% right when he called us “The Harry Kane Team”....This has all been about Levy’s Legacy aka “the stadium” and avoiding as much fan aggro as possible “Putting Kane on a pedestal which was always a ridiculous decision in a team sport..... The management of our club has been a farce for the past 3 years.
Everybody knew at the time Pooch was right, He and the team had gone stale and Levy wasn’t prepared to listen. It’s gross mismanagement and he should resign. Whether ENIC sell up is a totally separate issue
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Levy owns 25% of Enic which owns 85% of Spurs. Joe Lewis looks on Levy as a son, so it’s unlikely you would get your wish re Levy leaving.
I think our main problem is our scouting system, we never seem to have the right connections to find gems like Kante, N’Didi like Leicester and other clubs do.
Get the scouting right, bring in a forward thinking manager and build up through bringing younger players through. We should have kept Walker-Peters too.
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And who do you think hires the scouts?
ENIC support Spurs as a money-making enterprise.
Well, you could argue that any owner would want to make money......
the question is "how much"?
I will argue that Levy has confessed himself as a market skeptic and refuses to pay the going rate for the best players, but instead looks around for bargains and second tier cheaper players.
So we've bought Aurier, Sanchez, the wrong Fernandes, Doherty, Rodon, ......
Yes he did splurge on Ndombele ...a talented player.......and look what we've done with him, NOWT!!
New ownership might have a different approach to building a winning squad and making money!
It couldn't be worse for the fans under ENIC.
In most clubs scouts are set up by the coaching staff, following the guidelines laid down as to type of player required.
Spurs have a system under Hitchens which clearly does not work. Why?
It could be poor communication and a failure to understand what is required to secure the right players.
What I do know is that there is a fundamental flaw in our set up, whether that is the Board not going the right resources or people not having the actual ability to identify talent suitable for development at Spurs.
Norwich do it, Leicester do it, Leeds do it, yet Spurs, a supposedly bigger club come up short time after time.
The obvious answer is twofold, find a good enough manager who can work with a Director of Football. Secondly find a really good DoF who has a good network of contacts both in the U.K. and also in Europe/Africa & across the Atlantic, both north and south.
The other factor in our slowness of the mark is the length of time it takes us to do our due diligence on a player, which can be the difference between signing and not signing a player.
We missed out on Tierney, Maddison, Grealish, Tielemans, Fernandez (B). and others due to either not reacting quickly enough or failing to recognise what they could bring to Spurs.
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posted on 20/5/21
The stadium and training ground are a pretty decent legacy. They both took a lot of hard work to see through to completion, and we should be grateful for that kind of investment.
Shame they undid a lot of that good work with the super league nonsense, but on balance they've been good for the club.
Let's wait and see what the summer brings.
posted on 20/5/21
Do you actually think it's the job of random fans on a football forum to propose genuine candidates for a multi-billion corporate takeover?
posted on 20/5/21
So what or who are the alternatives to ENIC?
========================================
Literally anybody with bucket loads of cash and a desire to make Spurs successful on the pitch as well as off it.
There are plenty of multi billionaire individuals or organisations out there that could afford to buy us and make us winners, if they so wanted.
The only problem is ENIC will almost certainly value the club at more than what is sensible, hence making a deal to take it over unlikely.
posted on 20/5/21
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
posted on 20/5/21
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do you actually think it's the job of random fans on a football forum to propose genuine candidates for a multi-billion corporate takeover?
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No not at all. Fans have zero influence on who comes and goes, so that is why I don`t get why fans on here constantly say that ENIC have to go, when anything they say is irrelevant. There seems to be lots of fans on this football forum wanting ENIC removed, so if they want them removed, they must have an idea on who they want to replace them.
posted on 20/5/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
So what or who are the alternatives to ENIC?
========================================
Literally anybody with bucket loads of cash and a desire to make Spurs successful on the pitch as well as off it.
There are plenty of multi billionaire individuals or organisations out there that could afford to buy us and make us winners, if they so wanted.
The only problem is ENIC will almost certainly value the club at more than what is sensible, hence making a deal to take it over unlikely.
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Problem is Billy there are lots of people around the world with bucket loads of cash, but none in all probability interested in investing in a football club for a couple of billion.
posted on 20/5/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree, its hardly good for morale.
Would it have killed him to wait 6 days until the end of the season?
The timing of events at Spurs is always off. Sacking Jose so close to the end of the season and 6 days before the LC final was madness.
Masons jobs for my mates team selection has been hopeless and whatever folk thought of Jose our lazy overpaid gang of players would fack any manager over.
posted on 20/5/21
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 ho... (U20567)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do you actually think it's the job of random fans on a football forum to propose genuine candidates for a multi-billion corporate takeover?
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No not at all. Fans have zero influence on who comes and goes, so that is why I don`t get why fans on here constantly say that ENIC have to go, when anything they say is irrelevant. There seems to be lots of fans on this football forum wanting ENIC removed, so if they want them removed, they must have an idea on who they want to replace them.
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By this logic, every opinion on here (including yours in this post, this article and everywhere else) is irrelevant.
posted on 20/5/21
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree, its hardly good for morale.
Would it have killed him to wait 6 days until the end of the season?
The timing of events at Spurs is always off. Sacking Jose so close to the end of the season and 6 days before the LC final was madness.
Masons jobs for my mates team selection has been hopeless and whatever folk thought of Jose our lazy overpaid gang of players would fack any manager over.
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I fully agree with the main point here. It was obvious to me, and I assume most other people, that we would get a deflated performance from the players, given they listen to the news the same as everyone else.
For me, firstly ask yourself, has Kane actually come out and said he wants to leave ? Second, given there is / has been a daily campaign from the media to keep this "story" in the news, having known the impact it would have particularly on Kane but also the players, why has Levy not come out and deigned the rumors ?
Then there is the question of the press. Yet another one getting in on the act this morning. Shearer chucking in his own two bob's worth, and whether their actions in this are even legal. Their actions in all of this has been even lower than they normally go. These people have basically decided Kane must leave Spurs. That cannot be right. They all know the impact their comments will have on Spurs. Paul Merson must have said to himself "job done" and "my actions / cunning plan has aloud Arsenal to finish above them" how clever am I.
To me this whole thing stinks and has fully contributed to Spurs falling away in the last few games. The disruption within the club is obvious for all to see.
posted on 20/5/21
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s interesting that if you believe the reports that Kane & Levy had a Gentlemen’s agreement (WTF that is ?) that he could leave at the end of this year then it may explain the lack of intensity the team has shown this year. Kane basically playing for himself to get a megabucks deal to City and everyone else sitting around thinking “WTF are we gonna do when he leaves ?, no way Levy is gonna strengthen the team”. Pep was 100% right when he called us “The Harry Kane Team”....This has all been about Levy’s Legacy aka “the stadium” and avoiding as much fan aggro as possible “Putting Kane on a pedestal which was always a ridiculous decision in a team sport..... The management of our club has been a farce for the past 3 years.
Everybody knew at the time Pooch was right, He and the team had gone stale and Levy wasn’t prepared to listen. It’s gross mismanagement and he should resign. Whether ENIC sell up is a totally separate issue
posted on 20/5/21
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s interesting that if you believe the reports that Kane & Levy had a Gentlemen’s agreement (WTF that is ?) that he could leave at the end of this year then it may explain the lack of intensity the team has shown this year. Kane basically playing for himself to get a megabucks deal to City and everyone else sitting around thinking “WTF are we gonna do when he leaves ?, no way Levy is gonna strengthen the team”. Pep was 100% right when he called us “The Harry Kane Team”....This has all been about Levy’s Legacy aka “the stadium” and avoiding as much fan aggro as possible “Putting Kane on a pedestal which was always a ridiculous decision in a team sport..... The management of our club has been a farce for the past 3 years.
Everybody knew at the time Pooch was right, He and the team had gone stale and Levy wasn’t prepared to listen. It’s gross mismanagement and he should resign. Whether ENIC sell up is a totally separate issue
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Levy owns 25% of Enic which owns 85% of Spurs. Joe Lewis looks on Levy as a son, so it’s unlikely you would get your wish re Levy leaving.
I think our main problem is our scouting system, we never seem to have the right connections to find gems like Kante, N’Didi like Leicester and other clubs do.
Get the scouting right, bring in a forward thinking manager and build up through bringing younger players through. We should have kept Walker-Peters too.
posted on 20/5/21
If you didn't have them, then you wouldn't exist as a club. Their money is what keeps your club going.
posted on 20/5/21
I'm conflicted because you can't (sensibly) argue with the overall landscape of the club under ENIC - we've gone from mid-table nobodies to top 6 and they have delivered word class facilities.
That being said there's always been the underlying unease that they are a money-first operation and all the progress has been to line their pockets. They were clever to install Levy as the public face of the operation as he is clearly a Spurs man and in the early years he deflected the anger and attention from the soulless book balancing of the operation.
Working within the framework that ENIC set out matched with Levy's shortcomings on the football side of things have led to our current predicament and fan frustration.
Ultimately it doesn't matter who owns us, football is all about money now and unless we adopt a German style model (not gonna happen) then we are doomed to soulless investment firms or a rich Sugar Daddy with questionable morals.
posted on 20/5/21
I'm with you on this one Sandy.
I think we're all tired of the methods of the current ownership but in the entire history of the sport only three teams have been taken over by super rich owners that care little about throwing billions at a squad and that's City, Chelsea and PSG. Every other club including all the traditional giants have to live within their means. The chances of us becoming the fourth are tiny. What's more likely if ENIC do sell up is that they'll be replaced by owners equally hellbent on getting a return in their investment, except they're unlikely to be childhood spurs fans like Lewis and we wouldn't have the most ruthless negotiator in the Premier League on our side in Levy.
Be careful what you wish for.
I'm in favour of ENIC putting a hefty price on the club as if anyone comes sniffing around and they try and haggle down constantly, then that gives us an idea of just how thrifty they might be when recruiting players. What we want is for ENIC to put an inflated price tag on but for some super-rich Middle-Eastern prince with, let's face it, an atrocious human rights record, to pay the money without flinching. Then we can comfortably say we've struck gold. That is very, very unlikely though. I mean, Arsenal fans are desperate for this Spotify bloke to take them over but how sure are they that it will work out.
Those that tend to have made their money from nothing are those more likely to be careful about spending it so business owners are good business owners because they don't make rash stupid decisions. Very rarely do you get owners like Abramovich who just want a toy and are willing to plough billions in. Even then there are some suggestions his involvement with Chelsea is more political than anything else. The state sponsored clubs, City and PSG, are both owned by families that have always had money and are therefore don't see the value in tightening belts. They've never had to. if you're born into money you're more like to be blasé about it.
If you rule out the oligarchs and the princes, we could do a lot worse than our current ownership.
posted on 20/5/21
The Enic out protests are largely pointless. Any new owner / consortium would be just as profit driven, if not more so.
posted on 20/5/21
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 8 hours, 19 minutes ago
The Enic out protests are largely pointless. Any new owner / consortium would be just as profit driven, if not more so.
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Is Ambramovic "profit driven"?
It was more about laundering dirty money with him.
And he could afford to lose some of it to build a winning club.
Worked for him in the long run.
And for the Chelsea fans!
Recent history tells us that another Ambramovic would be far preferable to ENIC.
But now the situation has gotten to rock bottom where the squad is disintegrating.
Kane will go
Son will go.
Back four needs to be totally upgraded.
Perhaps new ownership would be best?
posted on 20/5/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 10 hours, 30 minutes ago
I'm with you on this one Sandy.
I think we're all tired of the methods of the current ownership but in the entire history of the sport only three teams have been taken over by super rich owners that care little about throwing billions at a squad and that's City, Chelsea and PSG. Every other club including all the traditional giants have to live within their means. The chances of us becoming the fourth are tiny. What's more likely if ENIC do sell up is that they'll be replaced by owners equally hellbent on getting a return in their investment, except they're unlikely to be childhood spurs fans like Lewis and we wouldn't have the most ruthless negotiator in the Premier League on our side in Levy.
Be careful what you wish for.
I'm in favour of ENIC putting a hefty price on the club as if anyone comes sniffing around and they try and haggle down constantly, then that gives us an idea of just how thrifty they might be when recruiting players. What we want is for ENIC to put an inflated price tag on but for some super-rich Middle-Eastern prince with, let's face it, an atrocious human rights record, to pay the money without flinching. Then we can comfortably say we've struck gold. That is very, very unlikely though. I mean, Arsenal fans are desperate for this Spotify bloke to take them over but how sure are they that it will work out.
Those that tend to have made their money from nothing are those more likely to be careful about spending it so business owners are good business owners because they don't make rash stupid decisions. Very rarely do you get owners like Abramovich who just want a toy and are willing to plough billions in. Even then there are some suggestions his involvement with Chelsea is more political than anything else. The state sponsored clubs, City and PSG, are both owned by families that have always had money and are therefore don't see the value in tightening belts. They've never had to. if you're born into money you're more like to be blasé about it.
If you rule out the oligarchs and the princes, we could do a lot worse than our current ownership.
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Fridgeboy………………it’s Levy who has supported Spurs since childhood!🤔
posted on 20/5/21
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 12 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● 2020* 2021* (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
The players` attitudes are just reflective of the entire club, they have no direction and no real belief that the owners are serious about bringing success on the pitch, is there any wonder some of them are just going through the motions.
Harry Kane allegedly says he wants to leave, which must have completely deflated all his team mates on the eve of a game, there is no wonder we got a poor performance, I could see it coming a mile off.
With any club, the whole perception and belief comes from the very top, they set the tone for the entire club. This is where ENIC have failed and continue to fail.
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It’s interesting that if you believe the reports that Kane & Levy had a Gentlemen’s agreement (WTF that is ?) that he could leave at the end of this year then it may explain the lack of intensity the team has shown this year. Kane basically playing for himself to get a megabucks deal to City and everyone else sitting around thinking “WTF are we gonna do when he leaves ?, no way Levy is gonna strengthen the team”. Pep was 100% right when he called us “The Harry Kane Team”....This has all been about Levy’s Legacy aka “the stadium” and avoiding as much fan aggro as possible “Putting Kane on a pedestal which was always a ridiculous decision in a team sport..... The management of our club has been a farce for the past 3 years.
Everybody knew at the time Pooch was right, He and the team had gone stale and Levy wasn’t prepared to listen. It’s gross mismanagement and he should resign. Whether ENIC sell up is a totally separate issue
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Levy owns 25% of Enic which owns 85% of Spurs. Joe Lewis looks on Levy as a son, so it’s unlikely you would get your wish re Levy leaving.
I think our main problem is our scouting system, we never seem to have the right connections to find gems like Kante, N’Didi like Leicester and other clubs do.
Get the scouting right, bring in a forward thinking manager and build up through bringing younger players through. We should have kept Walker-Peters too.
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And who do you think hires the scouts?
ENIC support Spurs as a money-making enterprise.
Well, you could argue that any owner would want to make money......
the question is "how much"?
I will argue that Levy has confessed himself as a market skeptic and refuses to pay the going rate for the best players, but instead looks around for bargains and second tier cheaper players.
So we've bought Aurier, Sanchez, the wrong Fernandes, Doherty, Rodon, ......
Yes he did splurge on Ndombele ...a talented player.......and look what we've done with him, NOWT!!
New ownership might have a different approach to building a winning squad and making money!
It couldn't be worse for the fans under ENIC.
posted on 21/5/21
In most clubs scouts are set up by the coaching staff, following the guidelines laid down as to type of player required.
Spurs have a system under Hitchens which clearly does not work. Why?
It could be poor communication and a failure to understand what is required to secure the right players.
What I do know is that there is a fundamental flaw in our set up, whether that is the Board not going the right resources or people not having the actual ability to identify talent suitable for development at Spurs.
Norwich do it, Leicester do it, Leeds do it, yet Spurs, a supposedly bigger club come up short time after time.
The obvious answer is twofold, find a good enough manager who can work with a Director of Football. Secondly find a really good DoF who has a good network of contacts both in the U.K. and also in Europe/Africa & across the Atlantic, both north and south.
The other factor in our slowness of the mark is the length of time it takes us to do our due diligence on a player, which can be the difference between signing and not signing a player.
We missed out on Tierney, Maddison, Grealish, Tielemans, Fernandez (B). and others due to either not reacting quickly enough or failing to recognise what they could bring to Spurs.
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