comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
Palestinians are Christians too who can trace their lineage back to the first Christians on earth.
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I find most people don't know this.
Many Palestinian cities have majority Christian populations, some are 80% christian but they suffer together with Muslims.
Its not about Jews or Muslims. Its about human beings.
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Probably because they are a bit racist, brown = not Christian.
Not their fault in the beginning of course as the indoctrination (read religious icons) depict every single saint / Jesus’ figure as white.
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Yeah
It all went down in the middle east so you wonder how the fack?
Just one thing I want to say about Hamas.
They were a democratically elected party by the Palestinians, so there is clearly a mandate to govern there. They are also a resistance movement to the occupation.
There's actually more evidence of them providing resources and aid for schools, hospitals, education, social services and helping the poor, than there have been of the Israeli government claims that they use 'human shields' (of which no evidence has been provided).
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel, but none of us here can even contemplate what the Palestinians have to go through on a daily basis. And the PA have to do something to avoid being wiped out/bombed incessantly.
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
Palestinians are Christians too who can trace their lineage back to the first Christians on earth.
----
I find most people don't know this.
Many Palestinian cities have majority Christian populations, some are 80% christian but they suffer together with Muslims.
Its not about Jews or Muslims. Its about human beings.
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Probably because they are a bit racist, brown = not Christian.
Not their fault in the beginning of course as the indoctrination (read religious icons) depict every single saint / Jesus’ figure as white.
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Wasn't it a muslim on this thread who didn't know this.If so then please call this person out as a racist.
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I have no idea if the person commenting that is a Muslim themselves, let us know how you have that knowledge or are you judging?
Also I was responding to the notion that “ most people don’t know this” - therefore why is there a need to call someone out individually when they could otherwise be grouped with “most people?”
Perhaps you should take a look in the mirror before you complain about prejudice and targeting people.
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 5 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
Palestinians are Christians too who can trace their lineage back to the first Christians on earth.
----
I find most people don't know this.
Many Palestinian cities have majority Christian populations, some are 80% christian but they suffer together with Muslims.
Its not about Jews or Muslims. Its about human beings.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably because they are a bit racist, brown = not Christian.
Not their fault in the beginning of course as the indoctrination (read religious icons) depict every single saint / Jesus’ figure as white.
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I used to think like this but they realised that Jesus was Jewish and when you look at most Jews they are caucasian, so Jesus would have been as well.
This whole conflict, like so many things in life, tends to come down to personal choice. Left wing people tend to accuse Israel of being occupiers , right wing tend to see the Jews as a nation that suffered horrendous persecution culminating in the concentration camps of WW2 being returned ot their homeland (which was desert at the time). Extremists of left and right wing just hate them. This is of course a massive generalisation.
I tend to see both sides of the argument and always ask the question, "who fired the first missile" It always tends to be Hamas who have expressed in the past that they will never rest until every Jew is dead. They know that if they fire rockets that Israel will retaliate and their civilians will die, inciting people to their cause.
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Dafuq are you talking about? Just because what you perceive is based on all you’ve seen don’t presume that is all there is.
Semites are those that live in that particular area of Palestine dont let the word Semitic be monopolised by only one faith. Semites are Christian, Jewish Muslim, Zoroastrian too.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
Just one thing I want to say about Hamas.
They were a democratically elected party by the Palestinians, so there is clearly a mandate to govern there. They are also a resistance movement to the occupation.
There's actually more evidence of them providing resources and aid for schools, hospitals, education, social services and helping the poor, than there have been of the Israeli government claims that they use 'human shields' (of which no evidence has been provided).
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel, but none of us here can even contemplate what the Palestinians have to go through on a daily basis. And the PA have to do something to avoid being wiped out/bombed incessantly.
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I cannot agree with firing rockets indiscriminately.
I will say though that Hamas was only formed in 1987, 70 odd years after the first drive into being occupiers and 20 years after another wave of occupation.
If UN resolutions are not enforced by the world and people have their rights trodden on for 20 years, they will feel like no one is helping them at all.
Analogy - If you were assaulted in the street repeatedly over a number of years and when you called the police a few times they said it was because you shouldn’t be out of the confines of your property, you would after a few days start carrying a weapon to defend yourself and should it continue to start seeking retribution.
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
This is on the Arsenal board because of AFTV.
Also on Man Utds because United fans are the biggest fans of AFTV
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
comment by Flip Flop Flip Flop (U22503)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
This is on the Arsenal board because of AFTV.
Also on Man Utds because United fans are the biggest fans of AFTV
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And the biggest fans of Hamas it seems.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
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It's been reported that they fired first
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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Hamas as a group is a reaction to Israeli action. From its formation to the latest wave of violence.
People say Israeli army withdrew from the Gaza Strip, yet say Hamas have taken over the Gaza Strip.
There’s a problem with those statements isnt there? If Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip, despite Hamas being there, it means they wilfully allowed Hamas to remain.
So it points to the case that at some juncture Israel has found the existence of Hamas strategically useful.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
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It's been reported that they fired first
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Reports say that the rockets were fired due to the incursion of the Israeli military into the Al Aqsa mosque compound interrupting Ramadan prayers as well as the Sheikh Jarrah forceful dispossession of Palestinians homes.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
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It's been reported that they fired first
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Gaza is bombed regularly way before this latest genocide assault but it doesn't hit the news because Hamas are not firing rockets.
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
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It's been reported that they fired first
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Reports say that the rockets were fired due to the incursion of the Israeli military into the Al Aqsa mosque compound interrupting Ramadan prayers as well as the Sheikh Jarrah forceful dispossession of Palestinians homes.
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I'm not disputing that, but he posted "because they fire rockets back to Israel", back meaning Israel fired first.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
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It's been reported that they fired first
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Reports say that the rockets were fired due to the incursion of the Israeli military into the Al Aqsa mosque compound interrupting Ramadan prayers as well as the Sheikh Jarrah forceful dispossession of Palestinians homes.
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I'm not disputing that, but he posted "because they fire rockets back to Israel", back meaning Israel fired first.
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Are Israel an occupying force? Yes.
Boohoo that a populous retaliates from being occupied for decades.
Noting that Hamas only existed after decades of occupation.
Also to this “ People say Israeli army withdrew from the Gaza Strip, yet say Hamas have taken over the Gaza Strip.
There’s a problem with those statements isnt there? If Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip, despite Hamas being there, it means they wilfully allowed Hamas to remain.
So it points to the case that at some juncture Israel has found the existence of Hamas strategically useful.”
It is the case that Israel are using Hamas as a justification to remain an occupying power citing that Gaza needs to be blockaded from ground, air and sea because of security issues.
How would you reach Clapfree to the occupation? Especially when the stranglehold is so total that they can actually control how many calories each person has access to.
Read the below, the control is so total that they were able to force those measures. Parallels can be drawn to a prison, or even a concentration camp. That’s before we go down the path of air strikes on refugee camps. The world is beginning to open its eyes, dockers as disparate as Livorno Italy and Durban refused to load/unload Israeli ships including those shipments of weapons and ordnance.
https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-israel-s-gaza-quota-2-279-calories-a-day-1.5193157
Majority of today's Palestinians were Arab migrants.
Prior to Israel defeating the Arab coalition in the 6 day war of 1967, West Bank was governed by Jordan and Gaza by Egypt.
Does that mean the Palestinians don't deserve their own country? They do. Israel should have handed Gaza back to Egypt like they did with the Sinai penisular.
Ever since Gaza was handed back, Hamas has failed to build a viable country. Their water and their electricity is provided by Israel to this day.
Instead of building a country, they turned Gaza into a hotbed of suicide bombimgs targeting school buses and caferias in the early 2000s. Now it's rocket attacks targeting civilian population.
Why does Israel not bomb the West Bank like they do Gaza? Because the Palestinians in the West Bank don't fire rockets at Israel's civilian population.
These people shouting that Muslims should stand up together should first look at minority rights in most majority muslim countries. Israel treats their Arab population way better than Pakistan for example treats their Christian or Hindu populations. Heck, even Shia and Ahmadiyah are going through hell in Pakistan today.
Yet these same people have the cheek to call out Israel.
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 5 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
Palestinians are Christians too who can trace their lineage back to the first Christians on earth.
----
I find most people don't know this.
Many Palestinian cities have majority Christian populations, some are 80% christian but they suffer together with Muslims.
Its not about Jews or Muslims. Its about human beings.
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Probably because they are a bit racist, brown = not Christian.
Not their fault in the beginning of course as the indoctrination (read religious icons) depict every single saint / Jesus’ figure as white.
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I used to think like this but they realised that Jesus was Jewish and when you look at most Jews they are caucasian, so Jesus would have been as well.
This whole conflict, like so many things in life, tends to come down to personal choice. Left wing people tend to accuse Israel of being occupiers , right wing tend to see the Jews as a nation that suffered horrendous persecution culminating in the concentration camps of WW2 being returned ot their homeland (which was desert at the time). Extremists of left and right wing just hate them. This is of course a massive generalisation.
I tend to see both sides of the argument and always ask the question, "who fired the first missile" It always tends to be Hamas who have expressed in the past that they will never rest until every Jew is dead. They know that if they fire rockets that Israel will retaliate and their civilians will die, inciting people to their cause.
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Dafuq are you talking about? Just because what you perceive is based on all you’ve seen don’t presume that is all there is.
Semites are those that live in that particular area of Palestine dont let the word Semitic be monopolised by only one faith. Semites are Christian, Jewish Muslim, Zoroastrian too.
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Make sure you read the comment I put straight after that one as well.
And yes I know Semites are all people from the area but in modern English usage anti-Semite is used in the context I did, whether you think thats right or wrong.
Any sound minded person should be condemning the actions of both sides, and campaigning for a peaceful resolution.
Instead we get thinly veiled hatred for the people of Israel.
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Ever since Gaza was handed back, Hamas has failed to build a viable country. Their water and their electricity is provided by Israel to this day.
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Are you really saying that Gaza is a self governing country?
You are so deluded if you think that is the case, or dangerous rather than deluded if you actually seek to purport that view.
Gaza handed back but all checkpoints and border crossings are controlled by others than Palestinians.
You also fail to even come close to accepting that Israel have been an occupying force for decades, before Hamas came into existence.
Hamas were voted for by the people in Gaza - what would cause them to vote for an organisation like that do you think?
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 27 minutes ago
Any sound minded person should be condemning the actions of both sides, and campaigning for a peaceful resolution.
Instead we get thinly veiled hatred for the people of Israel.
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Sadly, it's not thinly veiled. It's open season of hatred born primarily out of religion/ideology.
Today in London, they are out protesting for free Plestine. Gaza is free and governed by Hamas.
But these protesters when they say "free Palestine", what they actually mean is "annihilate the Jews". Nothing else will satisfy them.
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So much wrong with this statement I will report it to admin for being without basis, and actually being inflammatory and offensive.
The reality is that there is no solution to the situation that both 1- doesn't end in genocide 2- allows for an ethnostate to exist.
For all the crimes committed on all sides, from Britain, to the Ottomans, to America to Israel, to Palestine, there is no two state solution and there is no "homeland for Jewish people" when that homeland is *only* for Jewish people.
Peace will never be allowed to happen and the end result will likely be the eradication or diaspora of Palestinian people.
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
Any sound minded person should be condemning the actions of both sides, and campaigning for a peaceful resolution.
Instead we get thinly veiled hatred for the people of Israel.
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Israel has no interest in peace, so good luck with that.
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comment by NPE ✡ (U22521)
posted 26 minutes ago
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CPIw9CYA-4S/
For context, here is AFTVs statement.
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posted on 22/5/21
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
Palestinians are Christians too who can trace their lineage back to the first Christians on earth.
----
I find most people don't know this.
Many Palestinian cities have majority Christian populations, some are 80% christian but they suffer together with Muslims.
Its not about Jews or Muslims. Its about human beings.
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Probably because they are a bit racist, brown = not Christian.
Not their fault in the beginning of course as the indoctrination (read religious icons) depict every single saint / Jesus’ figure as white.
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Yeah
It all went down in the middle east so you wonder how the fack?
posted on 22/5/21
Just one thing I want to say about Hamas.
They were a democratically elected party by the Palestinians, so there is clearly a mandate to govern there. They are also a resistance movement to the occupation.
There's actually more evidence of them providing resources and aid for schools, hospitals, education, social services and helping the poor, than there have been of the Israeli government claims that they use 'human shields' (of which no evidence has been provided).
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel, but none of us here can even contemplate what the Palestinians have to go through on a daily basis. And the PA have to do something to avoid being wiped out/bombed incessantly.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
Palestinians are Christians too who can trace their lineage back to the first Christians on earth.
----
I find most people don't know this.
Many Palestinian cities have majority Christian populations, some are 80% christian but they suffer together with Muslims.
Its not about Jews or Muslims. Its about human beings.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably because they are a bit racist, brown = not Christian.
Not their fault in the beginning of course as the indoctrination (read religious icons) depict every single saint / Jesus’ figure as white.
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Wasn't it a muslim on this thread who didn't know this.If so then please call this person out as a racist.
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I have no idea if the person commenting that is a Muslim themselves, let us know how you have that knowledge or are you judging?
Also I was responding to the notion that “ most people don’t know this” - therefore why is there a need to call someone out individually when they could otherwise be grouped with “most people?”
Perhaps you should take a look in the mirror before you complain about prejudice and targeting people.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 5 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
Palestinians are Christians too who can trace their lineage back to the first Christians on earth.
----
I find most people don't know this.
Many Palestinian cities have majority Christian populations, some are 80% christian but they suffer together with Muslims.
Its not about Jews or Muslims. Its about human beings.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably because they are a bit racist, brown = not Christian.
Not their fault in the beginning of course as the indoctrination (read religious icons) depict every single saint / Jesus’ figure as white.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I used to think like this but they realised that Jesus was Jewish and when you look at most Jews they are caucasian, so Jesus would have been as well.
This whole conflict, like so many things in life, tends to come down to personal choice. Left wing people tend to accuse Israel of being occupiers , right wing tend to see the Jews as a nation that suffered horrendous persecution culminating in the concentration camps of WW2 being returned ot their homeland (which was desert at the time). Extremists of left and right wing just hate them. This is of course a massive generalisation.
I tend to see both sides of the argument and always ask the question, "who fired the first missile" It always tends to be Hamas who have expressed in the past that they will never rest until every Jew is dead. They know that if they fire rockets that Israel will retaliate and their civilians will die, inciting people to their cause.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dafuq are you talking about? Just because what you perceive is based on all you’ve seen don’t presume that is all there is.
Semites are those that live in that particular area of Palestine dont let the word Semitic be monopolised by only one faith. Semites are Christian, Jewish Muslim, Zoroastrian too.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
Just one thing I want to say about Hamas.
They were a democratically elected party by the Palestinians, so there is clearly a mandate to govern there. They are also a resistance movement to the occupation.
There's actually more evidence of them providing resources and aid for schools, hospitals, education, social services and helping the poor, than there have been of the Israeli government claims that they use 'human shields' (of which no evidence has been provided).
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel, but none of us here can even contemplate what the Palestinians have to go through on a daily basis. And the PA have to do something to avoid being wiped out/bombed incessantly.
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I cannot agree with firing rockets indiscriminately.
I will say though that Hamas was only formed in 1987, 70 odd years after the first drive into being occupiers and 20 years after another wave of occupation.
If UN resolutions are not enforced by the world and people have their rights trodden on for 20 years, they will feel like no one is helping them at all.
Analogy - If you were assaulted in the street repeatedly over a number of years and when you called the police a few times they said it was because you shouldn’t be out of the confines of your property, you would after a few days start carrying a weapon to defend yourself and should it continue to start seeking retribution.
posted on 22/5/21
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
posted on 22/5/21
This is on the Arsenal board because of AFTV.
Also on Man Utds because United fans are the biggest fans of AFTV
posted on 22/5/21
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by Flip Flop Flip Flop (U22503)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
This is on the Arsenal board because of AFTV.
Also on Man Utds because United fans are the biggest fans of AFTV
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And the biggest fans of Hamas it seems.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
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It's been reported that they fired first
posted on 22/5/21
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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Hamas as a group is a reaction to Israeli action. From its formation to the latest wave of violence.
People say Israeli army withdrew from the Gaza Strip, yet say Hamas have taken over the Gaza Strip.
There’s a problem with those statements isnt there? If Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip, despite Hamas being there, it means they wilfully allowed Hamas to remain.
So it points to the case that at some juncture Israel has found the existence of Hamas strategically useful.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
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It's been reported that they fired first
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Reports say that the rockets were fired due to the incursion of the Israeli military into the Al Aqsa mosque compound interrupting Ramadan prayers as well as the Sheikh Jarrah forceful dispossession of Palestinians homes.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
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It's been reported that they fired first
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Gaza is bombed regularly way before this latest genocide assault but it doesn't hit the news because Hamas are not firing rockets.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
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It's been reported that they fired first
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Reports say that the rockets were fired due to the incursion of the Israeli military into the Al Aqsa mosque compound interrupting Ramadan prayers as well as the Sheikh Jarrah forceful dispossession of Palestinians homes.
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I'm not disputing that, but he posted "because they fire rockets back to Israel", back meaning Israel fired first.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
It's easy for us to sit here and call them terrorists because they fire rockets back to Israel
To be fair, Hamas were the first to attack.
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I doubt that.
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It's been reported that they fired first
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Reports say that the rockets were fired due to the incursion of the Israeli military into the Al Aqsa mosque compound interrupting Ramadan prayers as well as the Sheikh Jarrah forceful dispossession of Palestinians homes.
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I'm not disputing that, but he posted "because they fire rockets back to Israel", back meaning Israel fired first.
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Are Israel an occupying force? Yes.
Boohoo that a populous retaliates from being occupied for decades.
Noting that Hamas only existed after decades of occupation.
Also to this “ People say Israeli army withdrew from the Gaza Strip, yet say Hamas have taken over the Gaza Strip.
There’s a problem with those statements isnt there? If Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip, despite Hamas being there, it means they wilfully allowed Hamas to remain.
So it points to the case that at some juncture Israel has found the existence of Hamas strategically useful.”
It is the case that Israel are using Hamas as a justification to remain an occupying power citing that Gaza needs to be blockaded from ground, air and sea because of security issues.
How would you reach Clapfree to the occupation? Especially when the stranglehold is so total that they can actually control how many calories each person has access to.
Read the below, the control is so total that they were able to force those measures. Parallels can be drawn to a prison, or even a concentration camp. That’s before we go down the path of air strikes on refugee camps. The world is beginning to open its eyes, dockers as disparate as Livorno Italy and Durban refused to load/unload Israeli ships including those shipments of weapons and ordnance.
https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-israel-s-gaza-quota-2-279-calories-a-day-1.5193157
posted on 22/5/21
Majority of today's Palestinians were Arab migrants.
Prior to Israel defeating the Arab coalition in the 6 day war of 1967, West Bank was governed by Jordan and Gaza by Egypt.
Does that mean the Palestinians don't deserve their own country? They do. Israel should have handed Gaza back to Egypt like they did with the Sinai penisular.
Ever since Gaza was handed back, Hamas has failed to build a viable country. Their water and their electricity is provided by Israel to this day.
Instead of building a country, they turned Gaza into a hotbed of suicide bombimgs targeting school buses and caferias in the early 2000s. Now it's rocket attacks targeting civilian population.
Why does Israel not bomb the West Bank like they do Gaza? Because the Palestinians in the West Bank don't fire rockets at Israel's civilian population.
These people shouting that Muslims should stand up together should first look at minority rights in most majority muslim countries. Israel treats their Arab population way better than Pakistan for example treats their Christian or Hindu populations. Heck, even Shia and Ahmadiyah are going through hell in Pakistan today.
Yet these same people have the cheek to call out Israel.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 5 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 57 minutes ago
Palestinians are Christians too who can trace their lineage back to the first Christians on earth.
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I find most people don't know this.
Many Palestinian cities have majority Christian populations, some are 80% christian but they suffer together with Muslims.
Its not about Jews or Muslims. Its about human beings.
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Probably because they are a bit racist, brown = not Christian.
Not their fault in the beginning of course as the indoctrination (read religious icons) depict every single saint / Jesus’ figure as white.
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I used to think like this but they realised that Jesus was Jewish and when you look at most Jews they are caucasian, so Jesus would have been as well.
This whole conflict, like so many things in life, tends to come down to personal choice. Left wing people tend to accuse Israel of being occupiers , right wing tend to see the Jews as a nation that suffered horrendous persecution culminating in the concentration camps of WW2 being returned ot their homeland (which was desert at the time). Extremists of left and right wing just hate them. This is of course a massive generalisation.
I tend to see both sides of the argument and always ask the question, "who fired the first missile" It always tends to be Hamas who have expressed in the past that they will never rest until every Jew is dead. They know that if they fire rockets that Israel will retaliate and their civilians will die, inciting people to their cause.
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Dafuq are you talking about? Just because what you perceive is based on all you’ve seen don’t presume that is all there is.
Semites are those that live in that particular area of Palestine dont let the word Semitic be monopolised by only one faith. Semites are Christian, Jewish Muslim, Zoroastrian too.
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Make sure you read the comment I put straight after that one as well.
And yes I know Semites are all people from the area but in modern English usage anti-Semite is used in the context I did, whether you think thats right or wrong.
posted on 22/5/21
Any sound minded person should be condemning the actions of both sides, and campaigning for a peaceful resolution.
Instead we get thinly veiled hatred for the people of Israel.
posted on 22/5/21
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posted on 22/5/21
Ever since Gaza was handed back, Hamas has failed to build a viable country. Their water and their electricity is provided by Israel to this day.
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Are you really saying that Gaza is a self governing country?
You are so deluded if you think that is the case, or dangerous rather than deluded if you actually seek to purport that view.
Gaza handed back but all checkpoints and border crossings are controlled by others than Palestinians.
You also fail to even come close to accepting that Israel have been an occupying force for decades, before Hamas came into existence.
Hamas were voted for by the people in Gaza - what would cause them to vote for an organisation like that do you think?
posted on 22/5/21
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 27 minutes ago
Any sound minded person should be condemning the actions of both sides, and campaigning for a peaceful resolution.
Instead we get thinly veiled hatred for the people of Israel.
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Sadly, it's not thinly veiled. It's open season of hatred born primarily out of religion/ideology.
Today in London, they are out protesting for free Plestine. Gaza is free and governed by Hamas.
But these protesters when they say "free Palestine", what they actually mean is "annihilate the Jews". Nothing else will satisfy them.
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So much wrong with this statement I will report it to admin for being without basis, and actually being inflammatory and offensive.
posted on 22/5/21
The reality is that there is no solution to the situation that both 1- doesn't end in genocide 2- allows for an ethnostate to exist.
For all the crimes committed on all sides, from Britain, to the Ottomans, to America to Israel, to Palestine, there is no two state solution and there is no "homeland for Jewish people" when that homeland is *only* for Jewish people.
Peace will never be allowed to happen and the end result will likely be the eradication or diaspora of Palestinian people.
posted on 22/5/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
Any sound minded person should be condemning the actions of both sides, and campaigning for a peaceful resolution.
Instead we get thinly veiled hatred for the people of Israel.
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Israel has no interest in peace, so good luck with that.
posted on 22/5/21
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posted on 22/5/21
comment by NPE ✡ (U22521)
posted 26 minutes ago
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CPIw9CYA-4S/
For context, here is AFTVs statement.
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