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Does this team lack bottle?

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posted on 24/5/21

Hello Flash...long time...

Yeah we all know we need a striker, be that Haaland, Kane Ings or other

who would you want in as a leader then...?

posted on 24/5/21

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hello Flash...long time...

Yeah we all know we need a striker, be that Haaland, Kane Ings or other

who would you want in as a leader then...?
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In regards to the striking issue, unlike with Torres something tells me Werner is going to come good. He needs to time his runs better and perhaps work with someone on his finishing.

A leader? I'd consider sticking Reece in to CDM next season and forcing it on him to step up a little bit more if it was internal. Or give the captaincy to Mount.

Outside the club it's tough as Tuchel, I fear is going to be another very short term appointment.

posted on 24/5/21

comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hello Flash...long time...

Yeah we all know we need a striker, be that Haaland, Kane Ings or other

who would you want in as a leader then...?
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In regards to the striking issue, unlike with Torres something tells me Werner is going to come good. He needs to time his runs better and perhaps work with someone on his finishing.

A leader? I'd consider sticking Reece in to CDM next season and forcing it on him to step up a little bit more if it was internal. Or give the captaincy to Mount.

Outside the club it's tough as Tuchel, I fear is going to be another very short term appointment.
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Based on exactly what with TT..?

posted on 24/5/21

James isn't suddenly going to change into JT (leader wise) if you put him in CDM either

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 24/5/21

but that will be 3 losses in 3 straight cup finals plus we could not raise ourselves to get over the line on our own steam when we tried to go from 3rd to 5th.
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Using punctuation might help with that sentence, because you say you tried to go from 3rd to 5th.

posted on 24/5/21

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posted on 24/5/21

No, I think people raising this question need to have a look at themselves.

Let's ask the same question about the 2004 2006 Chelsea teams who somehow failed to make the CL final despite being the best team in Europe at the time.

Did anyone ask them if they were bottle jobs.

This team has it weaknesses and in some positions lack experience. Therefore it loses games. It is as simple as that.

comment by Tway (U1162)

posted on 24/5/21

I think we all underestimate the luck factor... one shot slips through the keepers legs, a better shot get stopped by a fortunate block. The marginal off sides, balls hit post and scored on rebound. Certain days the 'energy " is there the team is on fire. Villa played out of their skins , their first goal was off the cross bar, another day that tackle would not have resulted in a foul. Some days we look like we do the right things, have 19 attempts on goal with no effect. On another day it looks so easy we talk about we should have had 5 against Madrid.
The WBA game is a good example of reverse energies helping weaker team convincingly undo a way more talented team. Liverpool losing 7 on the trot and winning all their run in games.
As a backgammon player I see this energy / luck factor result in positive/negative streaks.
Some may think I'm talking utter gash... but I deeply believe if the energy (force) is with you you will prevail.
The manager has a large part to play in harnessing the good energy getting the players in the right confident frame of mind. Some managers say "go out and enjoy the occasion"...that's part of it too, being desperate and trying too hard often has the reverse effect.
When the players come on the field at the beginning of the match with jokes and smiles my confidence rises accordingly. The tense and nervous disposition of some players indicate the result before the ball is kicked. I love Mount for this reason, he looks cheeky and happy...he enjoys his football and it often produces the right effect.
May the force be with us on Sunday.... right now I feel somehow positive about what's about to happen. under Tuschel we come back from reverses strongly... and I believe in him and our team.
How typical it is of Chelsea to lose to Villa and Hattrick City in the big one.

posted on 25/5/21

Golf can be similar Tway, it's often said you make your own luck in life, practice and discipline are corner stones of getting lucky at times, momentum is also huge

Won a comp on Saturday, (had a good start) & momentum builds, was also third in another yesterday, only losing on countback, (goal difference if you will) but good form stayed with me from the weekend...playing just socially today...i'll probably be utter dogpooh..

comment by Tway (U1162)

posted on 25/5/21

Thank goodness at least one person understands what I'm trying to say Pepper. When I used to play golf, that happened a lot to me too. Football is a team sport, it's way more complicated as far as form is concerned. The team as a group has to click together as a unit. Its fairly arbitrary and hard to know when the the good or negative times are.
Do you remember the biorhythms that I so many others were into in the 1980s... I think that is linked too, the cyclical cycle of positive and obstructive energies... that affected everybody.

comment by Tway (U1162)

posted on 25/5/21

As for sourcing a goal scoring striker, I tend to agree with the posters who say we have enough scoring potential players who will come good when the perceived constipation s unlocked.
But ....I noted one post from the ManU board saying "no team can have too many goal scorers in it".

posted on 25/5/21

Simply put, no. Team lacks a focal point and our top scorer, you know Tammy...
Massive credit to Tammy for his top attitude and public positive mindset, after being uselessly treated on a human-level and player-level by Tuchel. Such treatment would break many a player. Deplorable.

This is a player that more often than not...yields goals (contribution) when starting and best-suited to any possible system TT could deploy.
Improved year-on-year, including this season.

Tammy' spell in the team as a CF and Werner left-forward coincided with us scoring goals for fun under Frank.
Tammy & Timo Werner 8 starts together = 21 goals for Chelsea. (17 in first 5 matches).
A very good multiplier and supplementer for goals, that's been wasted for no valid reason.


Should Tammy move onto pastures new and further thrive (ascending to a whole different level, which I fully expect him to), it'll be on his head and a stain on his record.

comment by Tway (U1162)

posted on 25/5/21

I'm not in those pre match training sessions where Tuchel makes his team sheet decisions.
Clearly thats his job what he is paid to do. So I will be content with the coaches decisions on who plays and when
I am sure Tammy and TT have had discussions on plans for the the player's future. He seems to be OK with things as they are. I've not read or viewed anything that says the contrary, apart from your sentiments as expressed on this board.

posted on 25/5/21

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posted on 25/5/21

comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 4 hours, 23 minutes ago
Thank goodness at least one person understands what I'm trying to say Pepper. When I used to play golf, that happened a lot to me too. Football is a team sport, it's way more complicated as far as form is concerned. The team as a group has to click together as a unit. Its fairly arbitrary and hard to know when the the good or negative times are.
Do you remember the biorhythms that I so many others were into in the 1980s... I think that is linked too, the cyclical cycle of positive and obstructive energies... that affected everybody.

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Lots to be said for bio-rhythms, - again golf related, when I have a good run of games, I inevitably fall off a huge steep cliff soon after...it's the way of things

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 25/5/21

Hey Flash good to hear from you bud. Long time.

posted on 25/5/21

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 19 hours, 10 minutes ago
No, I think people raising this question need to have a look at themselves.

Let's ask the same question about the 2004 2006 Chelsea teams who somehow failed to make the CL final despite being the best team in Europe at the time.

Did anyone ask them if they were bottle jobs.

This team has it weaknesses and in some positions lack experience. Therefore it loses games. It is as simple as that.
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I get what you're saying. I'm not comparing ability of this team with our team that lost in Moscow.......but I will compare mental strength.

My memory of watching that match was United battered us for a bit, to the point where we were hanging on. I think it was more than anything a will to fight that kept us in the game,
Then we got a foot hold in the game and perhaps people can say i'm looking at the game through 'Blue Tinted specs' but I would say once we'd weathered the storm, we actually went on to dominate the match.

But i do think if City have that same first 20 or so minutes against us this coming saturday, the match will be over as a competion.

I think sometimes a mental strength can be a good substitute when a team is not as technically as good as their opponents.

Sorry, but if City go 2-0 up really quickly on Saturday, this team's heads will drop and it will be a big win for City.

posted on 25/5/21

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 43 minutes ago
Hey Flash good to hear from you bud. Long time.
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Hey Frankie. Sorry for the negative article mate. I am willing to bet people come back at me and say i'm comparing abilities of this team vs 08. I am not.

The point i am making is that team were mentally strong it's why imo we got back into the match and why i feel we ultimately deserved to win the match before it went to penalties.

posted on 25/5/21

Given what was against us in 2012 we must've been pretty mentally strong too...in a betting world, no way we win that cup

posted on 25/5/21

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
Given what was against us in 2012 we must've been pretty mentally strong too...in a betting world, no way we win that cup
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agreed but look who the spine was..... but they were well past the peak of their powers so I do think they were mentally strong.

posted on 25/5/21

comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
Given what was against us in 2012 we must've been pretty mentally strong too...in a betting world, no way we win that cup
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agreed but look who the spine was..... but they were well past the peak of their powers so I do think they were mentally strong.
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Gotta think so....three or four genuine match winners in a team goes a long long way to covering any weaknesses

posted on 25/5/21

comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 19 hours, 10 minutes ago
No, I think people raising this question need to have a look at themselves.

Let's ask the same question about the 2004 2006 Chelsea teams who somehow failed to make the CL final despite being the best team in Europe at the time.

Did anyone ask them if they were bottle jobs.

This team has it weaknesses and in some positions lack experience. Therefore it loses games. It is as simple as that.
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I get what you're saying. I'm not comparing ability of this team with our team that lost in Moscow.......but I will compare mental strength.

My memory of watching that match was United battered us for a bit, to the point where we were hanging on. I think it was more than anything a will to fight that kept us in the game,
Then we got a foot hold in the game and perhaps people can say i'm looking at the game through 'Blue Tinted specs' but I would say once we'd weathered the storm, we actually went on to dominate the match.

But i do think if City have that same first 20 or so minutes against us this coming saturday, the match will be over as a competion.

I think sometimes a mental strength can be a good substitute when a team is not as technically as good as their opponents.

Sorry, but if City go 2-0 up really quickly on Saturday, this team's heads will drop and it will be a big win for City.
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But that will because this team knows it doesn't score many goals. Its lacks confidence in that regard, but the team is not mentally weak.

It is weak in its ability to score goals....Very different.

posted on 25/5/21

comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 43 minutes ago
Hey Flash good to hear from you bud. Long time.
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Hey Frankie. Sorry for the negative article mate. I am willing to bet people come back at me and say i'm comparing abilities of this team vs 08. I am not.

The point i am making is that team were mentally strong it's why imo we got back into the match and why i feel we ultimately deserved to win the match before it went to penalties.
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Well i want an explanation how a mentally weak team beats experienced and very savvy CL campaigners like RM, AM and Porto...?

posted on 25/5/21

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 43 minutes ago
Hey Flash good to hear from you bud. Long time.
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Hey Frankie. Sorry for the negative article mate. I am willing to bet people come back at me and say i'm comparing abilities of this team vs 08. I am not.

The point i am making is that team were mentally strong it's why imo we got back into the match and why i feel we ultimately deserved to win the match before it went to penalties.
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Well i want an explanation how a mentally weak team beats experienced and very savvy CL campaigners like RM, AM and Porto...?


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I don't believe either Madrid team (bearing in mind they've just won their league and finished 2nd) were all that, in regards to the hunger or skill level when they played us.

I think TT had a longer than usual (WBA aside) honeymoon period than most managers have.

But I'll also ask you a question. So give this squad all the exact technical abilities the 2012 squad had, does it come back from 2-0 down with 10 men against Pep's Barcelona?

I don't think so.

I don't think going even further back and still having the same technical ability man for man as 08 team, it would survive that initial 20 minutes or so in Moscow.

Based on our 2 "cup finals" this season and even the one we lost under Super Frank, I genuinely fear for us on Saturday, because in spite what the "stats" say, I don't think we really turned up or played well in any of them. And I don't think neither Leicester nor Villa played particularly well in 2 of those matches neither.

posted on 25/5/21

But we are gonna have to agree to differ, as we really aren't going to change each other's opinion on this one.

The only ones capable of changing my opinion are the players themselves.

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