comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
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comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 52 seconds ago
No because the excuses are still made for all the bad buys. Just because it isn’t all on him doesn’t mean he wasn’t a part of the problem.
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example of an excuse?
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You said Hitchens and Levy earlier..
Spurs would be dangerous if they got Conte. As would Conte when Levy facks him about. The fireworks would be grate.
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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Not watched the interview yet but sky interviewed Klinsmann with the title ‘Levy has my number’
Klinsmann?? Would you? I think that would be excellent personally
https://youtu.be/36Z3iB6J20E
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Nah he would be good PR appointment but his manager CV is average at best.
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It’s not like OGS had a glowing CV? Sometimes PR/ heart and soul is what you need. Especially after Jose sucked it all out.
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I'd rather go with someone who is a good coach and has experience in building a team. Like Ten Hag has proved at Ajax. Sold a load of really good players and then built another title winning team.
Deep down you know Man Utd could do better than Ole. One transfer turned his and Utd fortunes around - Bruno.
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We’ve had ‘better’ and that wasn’t good. Ole might not be our manager long long term and might not win us the league or CL but he’s rebuilding us and it’s not just down to Bruno at all.
Shaw is having his best season with us by far
Henderson/DDG situation handled without incident
Greenwood coming through nicely
Cavani playing well
Pogba playing well
And yeah Bruno
The point is that someone like him and maybe Klinsmann for you can help rebuild the soul of the team, repair the heart of it if you will.
There are managers that can do both but they’re very rare. Depends who the other choices are tbh.
Would you still say no if it were Poch vs Klinsmann only?
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It would never just be those two though would it?
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You don’t know that but it was just a hypothetical to see which way you go. Personally I’d go Poch but I’m not a Spurs fan
why cant that just be what i believe rather than seen as an excuse for a previous manager
from the insight we got from Levy and Hitchen theres no doubt a disconnect there with the manager in terms of signings.
from Jose's signings Doherty and Hojbjerg fair enough they were probably the managers choices, but the others i dont believe he wanted necessarily.
I would say though that Poch wasnt probably as vocal to Levy and forceful for players to come in etc
he always said about preferring a small squad and having young players around it rather than getting football on loan, which i have no 'excuses' for because that was a bad take and mistakes were made there.
im not having that Poch wanted N'koudou or N'jie ffs but you never know.
with those guys we have our 'french expert' to thank who was always mentioned in these transfer conversations.
that always makes me wonder whether Poch did turn down players as easy as you say, possibily if they would cost a significant sum, like the N'whatevers didn't, so he just let those signings go ahead.
But Poch has also said he was involved will all parts of the club. He passed on players that he didn’t want. And would have been part of identifying certain players as well. I think it’s an excuse when you are essentially trying to absolve him of blame for the bad signings. As I said, it’s something that’s been a common theme with Spurs fans. There’s collective culpability, even if Levy is the man that is ultimately responsible for transfer policy.
bring back Rachel the queen Riley ffs
Poch is spurs, spurs is poch.
The worrying part is that any new manager has to work under the current setup at. i.e. Levy, Hitchen and this rubbish transfer committee we have.
This is a major issue/will always be a problem no matter who is appointed. It's like a permanent groundhog Day.
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 19 minutes ago
im not having that Poch wanted N'koudou or N'jie ffs but you never know.
with those guys we have our 'french expert' to thank who was always mentioned in these transfer conversations.
that always makes me wonder whether Poch did turn down players as easy as you say, possibily if they would cost a significant sum, like the N'whatevers didn't, so he just let those signings go ahead.
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There is no way Poch knew about these N'haircut players before we signed them. That's our scouts' work. If he said yes to them he must have been because we were low on other options and needed some players. Same reason we ended up with Sissoko.
Spurs fans are really naive if they don't think Levy has a big say in the players we get in still.
Genuine question - why are people saying Poch wants to come back? What have I missed?
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 19 minutes ago
im not having that Poch wanted N'koudou or N'jie ffs but you never know.
with those guys we have our 'french expert' to thank who was always mentioned in these transfer conversations.
that always makes me wonder whether Poch did turn down players as easy as you say, possibily if they would cost a significant sum, like the N'whatevers didn't, so he just let those signings go ahead.
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There is no way Poch knew about these N'haircut players before we signed them. That's our scouts' work. If he said yes to them he must have been because we were low on other options and needed some players. Same reason we ended up with Sissoko.
Spurs fans are really naive if they don't think Levy has a big say in the players we get in still.
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Then the blame lies with Hitchen not Levy. If we're saying Poch didn't know anything about N'anybody, then non-footballing man certainly didn't.
If Hitchen is in charge of scouting and convincing Levy that these players are first team quality then that's where the buck stops when it backfires.
Not sure Levy does many trips to France in scouting trips.
Not bothered about Poch to be honest. Same players same back room ...different manager. Not much will change
But you were the one who kept championing King Jose, so your opinions are pretty worthless
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 27 minutes ago
But Poch has also said he was involved will all parts of the club. He passed on players that he didn’t want. And would have been part of identifying certain players as well. I think it’s an excuse when you are essentially trying to absolve him of blame for the bad signings. As I said, it’s something that’s been a common theme with Spurs fans. There’s collective culpability, even if Levy is the man that is ultimately responsible for transfer policy.
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The manager says he wants a left midfielder or right back, Levy then searches ebay (French league) for available player's
‘Damaged goods’ is very S*n clickbaity. I think it’s still too early for him, would rather see him come in like 5 years time.
I wrote recently that is was our scouting system that was a major handicap to the club moving forward.
Hitchens is past his sell by date, any new manager/coach must be allowed to set up their own scouting framework. How come clubs like Norwich, Leicester etc have greater success in sourcing talent like N’Didi, Kante etc?
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 8 minutes ago
But you were the one who kept championing King Jose, so your opinions are pretty worthless
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Do you even have any opinions?
Calling everyone Sandy doesn’t count.
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 34 minutes ago
But Poch has also said he was involved will all parts of the club. He passed on players that he didn’t want. And would have been part of identifying certain players as well. I think it’s an excuse when you are essentially trying to absolve him of blame for the bad signings. As I said, it’s something that’s been a common theme with Spurs fans. There’s collective culpability, even if Levy is the man that is ultimately responsible for transfer policy.
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That’s not strictly true, there are players which where done by the club: Moura and Alli for example. There are players which were clear Poch signings: Wanyama and Alderweireld. Then there are the compromises: Sanchez and Aurier.
At points Poch had a lot of control (Vetoing Tielemans or Cook) however there were other points where you could tell he felt like he had no Voice at all - hence why he had that strop asking to be called a coach and not a manager.
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 14 minutes ago
I wrote recently that is was our scouting system that was a major handicap to the club moving forward.
Hitchens is past his sell by date, any new manager/coach must be allowed to set up their own scouting framework. How come clubs like Norwich, Leicester etc have greater success in sourcing talent like N’Didi, Kante etc?
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Levy is the problem, too much interference in recruitment and transfer policy, like it or not
I don’t think that really contradicts what I’m saying, Edin. We had this conversation before, I’m on the same page as you.
I’ve always thought the bigger issues have been priority of positions. Would be interesting to know how involved the club were with that. Obviously you aren’t City and can’t just keep buying defenders because the manager wants them, but you’d think that would be one of the biggest things where the manager is having the biggest say.
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 29 minutes ago
But you were the one who kept championing King Jose, so your opinions are pretty worthless
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At least I have an opinion and don't just stalk people. What are your thoughts Stan on the next manager or anything else ?
comment by EdinSelloutSpurs (U1109)
posted 29 minutes ago
‘Damaged goods’ is very S*n clickbaity. I think it’s still too early for him, would rather see him come in like 5 years time.
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Removed for you. He only comes back when he has won a title and proved he had improved as a coach. By that time he may be too good for us anyway lol
Darren, I didn’t mean to start that with ‘that’s not strictly true’ - my profuse apologies.
In terms of recruitment we tend to be more successful than the average at roughly the 10-20m range and less successful at the 30m+ range.
Levy has to take the larger portion of the blame though - there have been so many bad misses (Mane & then ending up with Sissoko) and ultimately not spending anything for 18 months on a team that needed reinvestment was always going to kill the team no matter what.
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posted on 26/5/21
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 52 seconds ago
No because the excuses are still made for all the bad buys. Just because it isn’t all on him doesn’t mean he wasn’t a part of the problem.
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example of an excuse?
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You said Hitchens and Levy earlier..
posted on 26/5/21
Spurs would be dangerous if they got Conte. As would Conte when Levy facks him about. The fireworks would be grate.
posted on 26/5/21
comment by LukaBrasi Ryan's mate #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ryan's mate #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LukaBrasi Ryan's mate #FreePalestine (U22178)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
Not watched the interview yet but sky interviewed Klinsmann with the title ‘Levy has my number’
Klinsmann?? Would you? I think that would be excellent personally
https://youtu.be/36Z3iB6J20E
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Nah he would be good PR appointment but his manager CV is average at best.
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It’s not like OGS had a glowing CV? Sometimes PR/ heart and soul is what you need. Especially after Jose sucked it all out.
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I'd rather go with someone who is a good coach and has experience in building a team. Like Ten Hag has proved at Ajax. Sold a load of really good players and then built another title winning team.
Deep down you know Man Utd could do better than Ole. One transfer turned his and Utd fortunes around - Bruno.
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We’ve had ‘better’ and that wasn’t good. Ole might not be our manager long long term and might not win us the league or CL but he’s rebuilding us and it’s not just down to Bruno at all.
Shaw is having his best season with us by far
Henderson/DDG situation handled without incident
Greenwood coming through nicely
Cavani playing well
Pogba playing well
And yeah Bruno
The point is that someone like him and maybe Klinsmann for you can help rebuild the soul of the team, repair the heart of it if you will.
There are managers that can do both but they’re very rare. Depends who the other choices are tbh.
Would you still say no if it were Poch vs Klinsmann only?
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It would never just be those two though would it?
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You don’t know that but it was just a hypothetical to see which way you go. Personally I’d go Poch but I’m not a Spurs fan
posted on 26/5/21
why cant that just be what i believe rather than seen as an excuse for a previous manager
from the insight we got from Levy and Hitchen theres no doubt a disconnect there with the manager in terms of signings.
from Jose's signings Doherty and Hojbjerg fair enough they were probably the managers choices, but the others i dont believe he wanted necessarily.
I would say though that Poch wasnt probably as vocal to Levy and forceful for players to come in etc
he always said about preferring a small squad and having young players around it rather than getting football on loan, which i have no 'excuses' for because that was a bad take and mistakes were made there.
posted on 26/5/21
im not having that Poch wanted N'koudou or N'jie ffs but you never know.
with those guys we have our 'french expert' to thank who was always mentioned in these transfer conversations.
that always makes me wonder whether Poch did turn down players as easy as you say, possibily if they would cost a significant sum, like the N'whatevers didn't, so he just let those signings go ahead.
posted on 26/5/21
But Poch has also said he was involved will all parts of the club. He passed on players that he didn’t want. And would have been part of identifying certain players as well. I think it’s an excuse when you are essentially trying to absolve him of blame for the bad signings. As I said, it’s something that’s been a common theme with Spurs fans. There’s collective culpability, even if Levy is the man that is ultimately responsible for transfer policy.
posted on 26/5/21
bring back Rachel the queen Riley ffs
posted on 26/5/21
posted on 26/5/21
Poch is spurs, spurs is poch.
posted on 26/5/21
The worrying part is that any new manager has to work under the current setup at. i.e. Levy, Hitchen and this rubbish transfer committee we have.
This is a major issue/will always be a problem no matter who is appointed. It's like a permanent groundhog Day.
posted on 26/5/21
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 19 minutes ago
im not having that Poch wanted N'koudou or N'jie ffs but you never know.
with those guys we have our 'french expert' to thank who was always mentioned in these transfer conversations.
that always makes me wonder whether Poch did turn down players as easy as you say, possibily if they would cost a significant sum, like the N'whatevers didn't, so he just let those signings go ahead.
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There is no way Poch knew about these N'haircut players before we signed them. That's our scouts' work. If he said yes to them he must have been because we were low on other options and needed some players. Same reason we ended up with Sissoko.
Spurs fans are really naive if they don't think Levy has a big say in the players we get in still.
posted on 26/5/21
Genuine question - why are people saying Poch wants to come back? What have I missed?
posted on 26/5/21
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 19 minutes ago
im not having that Poch wanted N'koudou or N'jie ffs but you never know.
with those guys we have our 'french expert' to thank who was always mentioned in these transfer conversations.
that always makes me wonder whether Poch did turn down players as easy as you say, possibily if they would cost a significant sum, like the N'whatevers didn't, so he just let those signings go ahead.
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There is no way Poch knew about these N'haircut players before we signed them. That's our scouts' work. If he said yes to them he must have been because we were low on other options and needed some players. Same reason we ended up with Sissoko.
Spurs fans are really naive if they don't think Levy has a big say in the players we get in still.
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Then the blame lies with Hitchen not Levy. If we're saying Poch didn't know anything about N'anybody, then non-footballing man certainly didn't.
If Hitchen is in charge of scouting and convincing Levy that these players are first team quality then that's where the buck stops when it backfires.
Not sure Levy does many trips to France in scouting trips.
posted on 26/5/21
Not bothered about Poch to be honest. Same players same back room ...different manager. Not much will change
posted on 26/5/21
But you were the one who kept championing King Jose, so your opinions are pretty worthless
posted on 26/5/21
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 27 minutes ago
But Poch has also said he was involved will all parts of the club. He passed on players that he didn’t want. And would have been part of identifying certain players as well. I think it’s an excuse when you are essentially trying to absolve him of blame for the bad signings. As I said, it’s something that’s been a common theme with Spurs fans. There’s collective culpability, even if Levy is the man that is ultimately responsible for transfer policy.
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The manager says he wants a left midfielder or right back, Levy then searches ebay (French league) for available player's
posted on 26/5/21
‘Damaged goods’ is very S*n clickbaity. I think it’s still too early for him, would rather see him come in like 5 years time.
posted on 26/5/21
I wrote recently that is was our scouting system that was a major handicap to the club moving forward.
Hitchens is past his sell by date, any new manager/coach must be allowed to set up their own scouting framework. How come clubs like Norwich, Leicester etc have greater success in sourcing talent like N’Didi, Kante etc?
posted on 26/5/21
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 8 minutes ago
But you were the one who kept championing King Jose, so your opinions are pretty worthless
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Do you even have any opinions?
Calling everyone Sandy doesn’t count.
posted on 26/5/21
comment by Scott The King McTominay (U10026)
posted 34 minutes ago
But Poch has also said he was involved will all parts of the club. He passed on players that he didn’t want. And would have been part of identifying certain players as well. I think it’s an excuse when you are essentially trying to absolve him of blame for the bad signings. As I said, it’s something that’s been a common theme with Spurs fans. There’s collective culpability, even if Levy is the man that is ultimately responsible for transfer policy.
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That’s not strictly true, there are players which where done by the club: Moura and Alli for example. There are players which were clear Poch signings: Wanyama and Alderweireld. Then there are the compromises: Sanchez and Aurier.
At points Poch had a lot of control (Vetoing Tielemans or Cook) however there were other points where you could tell he felt like he had no Voice at all - hence why he had that strop asking to be called a coach and not a manager.
posted on 26/5/21
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 14 minutes ago
I wrote recently that is was our scouting system that was a major handicap to the club moving forward.
Hitchens is past his sell by date, any new manager/coach must be allowed to set up their own scouting framework. How come clubs like Norwich, Leicester etc have greater success in sourcing talent like N’Didi, Kante etc?
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Levy is the problem, too much interference in recruitment and transfer policy, like it or not
posted on 26/5/21
I don’t think that really contradicts what I’m saying, Edin. We had this conversation before, I’m on the same page as you.
I’ve always thought the bigger issues have been priority of positions. Would be interesting to know how involved the club were with that. Obviously you aren’t City and can’t just keep buying defenders because the manager wants them, but you’d think that would be one of the biggest things where the manager is having the biggest say.
posted on 26/5/21
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 29 minutes ago
But you were the one who kept championing King Jose, so your opinions are pretty worthless
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At least I have an opinion and don't just stalk people. What are your thoughts Stan on the next manager or anything else ?
posted on 26/5/21
comment by EdinSelloutSpurs (U1109)
posted 29 minutes ago
‘Damaged goods’ is very S*n clickbaity. I think it’s still too early for him, would rather see him come in like 5 years time.
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Removed for you. He only comes back when he has won a title and proved he had improved as a coach. By that time he may be too good for us anyway lol
posted on 26/5/21
Darren, I didn’t mean to start that with ‘that’s not strictly true’ - my profuse apologies.
In terms of recruitment we tend to be more successful than the average at roughly the 10-20m range and less successful at the 30m+ range.
Levy has to take the larger portion of the blame though - there have been so many bad misses (Mane & then ending up with Sissoko) and ultimately not spending anything for 18 months on a team that needed reinvestment was always going to kill the team no matter what.
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