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posted on 26/5/21

Mickey mouse cup tho.

posted on 27/5/21

Et tu hafi?

posted on 27/5/21

I actually think you're right here. Not about sacking the manager but that he should have made the change. DDG is horrendous at pens and shouldn't have been left on

posted on 27/5/21

What was the expected pen saves ratio haf

posted on 27/5/21

I’m not “Ole out”, but back-to-back CL qualifications via the league is clear progress from where were.

But under Ole, 2nd-4th and maybe a cup is as good as it will ever get imo, and I have never seen anything in his management of United to suggest we’ll achieve anything more than that under him, that isn’t a knee-jerk reaction to tonight either.

It just depends how long “just top four” is deemed good enough by the fanbase and by the club.

posted on 27/5/21

comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 41 seconds ago
I’m not “Ole out”, but back-to-back CL qualifications via the league is clear progress from where were.

But under Ole, 2nd-4th and maybe a cup is as good as it will ever get imo, and I have never seen anything in his management of United to suggest we’ll achieve anything more than that under him, that isn’t a knee-jerk reaction to tonight either.

It just depends how long “just top four” is deemed good enough by the fanbase and by the club.
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The people that run the club don't care what the fanbase think and would be happy with the cash that comes from top 4 every year. Trophies are a nice bonus but not something they care about.

comment by Lurker (U21432)

posted on 27/5/21

Henderson is terrible, his performance at the Liverpool game will live long in the memory.

We need a new keeper.

comment by Lurker (U21432)

posted on 27/5/21

comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m not “Ole out”, but back-to-back CL qualifications via the league is clear progress from where were.

But under Ole, 2nd-4th and maybe a cup is as good as it will ever get imo, and I have never seen anything in his management of United to suggest we’ll achieve anything more than that under him, that isn’t a knee-jerk reaction to tonight either.

It just depends how long “just top four” is deemed good enough by the fanbase and by the club.
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I'll bet we spend a fair bit this summer on Sancho and a DM and he may do better. But would that be due to the money or his ablities?

posted on 27/5/21

comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not “Ole out”, but back-to-back CL qualifications via the league is clear progress from where were.

But under Ole, 2nd-4th and maybe a cup is as good as it will ever get imo, and I have never seen anything in his management of United to suggest we’ll achieve anything more than that under him, that isn’t a knee-jerk reaction to tonight either.

It just depends how long “just top four” is deemed good enough by the fanbase and by the club.
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This my view as well he will just keep doing a sort of ok job but while our rivals have elite managers like Klopp and Pep they will always have a huge advantage and win things we just fall short at

posted on 27/5/21

Lurker Henderson has been miles better than De Gea all season. Probably the biggest gap between 2 of our goalkeepers since Romero in 2014/15 and 2016/17 season when Romero was miles better than De Gea,

Kepa deservedly is ahead of De Gea and he is like one of the worst goalkeepers in the world but De Gea is actually a lot worse than Kepa for Spain.

posted on 27/5/21

Henderson still has a lot to prove Hafi but I guess we all suspect he may have been a good shout as a sub for the pens but that type of ruthless management will never be Ole

posted on 27/5/21

Hafi I usually rip into any comment you make if I see it but with this article I fully agree with you. Not once did I have an confidence Dr Gea would save a single pen.

I don't know who should be our number 1 going forward but tonight after about penalty 4 I felt De Gea will not be winning us the game.

comment by Lurker (U21432)

posted on 27/5/21

Henderson has made too many mistakes, he's not miles better. He's just a different option that comes with his own issues

As I said, the Liverpool game showed Hendersons actual quality

posted on 27/5/21

I think Spainish people and stats made De Gea the worst keeper in Spains history. Noticed when De Gea came to Spain, they kept losing. Unai Simon is better as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54424608
I seen these type of stats for years now under De Gea. He rarely ever saves the 1st shot in any game hence why Romero and Henderson record for clean sheets is insane and there save percentage is miles better.

Look at De Gea world cup performance in 2018. You would think he was playing for Spain to lose or matchfixing.

posted on 27/5/21

Lurker Henderson has been like the best premierleague goalkeeper for 2 seasons in a row based on stats while De Gea has been near the worst especially this season his record on all competitions is like worse than Taibi level.

posted on 27/5/21

Lurker against Liverpool Henderson still saved more shots than De Gea does in nearly most premierleague games under Ole. If De Gea played we would have conceded 6 like against Spurs as he rarely saves a shot.

posted on 27/5/21

Henderson may not be as good as DDG but he's the better keeper Vs pens by miles. He's saved 5 of the last 6 he's faced. DDG has saved only one since 2016.

Ole should have made the switch in ET

posted on 27/5/21

Man Utd been lucky in last 6 years we had like the best goalkeeper in the world in Romero and Henderson but equally unlucky having De Gea like the worst in same period.

I think if Romero played or Henderson played in the games De Gea played in last 3 years then we would have conceded around 20 goals less.

posted on 27/5/21

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Time for Ole to go
by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
26 May 2021
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His De Gea fascination is insane. I didn't mind him starting tonight as he did well against Roma but when it goes to penalties you sub on your best keeper at saving penalties. De Gea is like one of the worst keepers we had in our history while Henderson is like near the best.

Sort of reminds me of the Dutch situation in 2014. You have a keeper who can't save penalties vs one that can. Both shootouts showed one poor keeper at penalties and one great keeper at penalties.

I had already resigned to the fact the only way Villareal wouldn't score from a penalty was if they missed it. I reckon the Villareal players were told by Emery just hit the target and you know De Gea will move out the way or not get to it as he is making it easy for them. The fact they could hit it in the middle so many times and De Gea already had dived out the way.

So penalties De Gea would move out the way and then stop while there keeper was always moving at the right time. Our penalties were better than a lot of theres.

Ole doesn't learn from his mistakes. Its like everything is telling him to sub De Gea for the shootout. Henderson is main reason we got so far anyway.

If you actually look at it, all 3 of last season semi-final defeats were mainly down to poor finishing and poor goalkeeping.
https://thepeoplesperson.com/2020/02/21/dean-henderson-7-0-against-david-de-gea-in-penalty-saves-212523/
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-united-de-gea-penalty-20686679
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comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not “Ole out”, but back-to-back CL qualifications via the league is clear progress from where were.

But under Ole, 2nd-4th and maybe a cup is as good as it will ever get imo, and I have never seen anything in his management of United to suggest we’ll achieve anything more than that under him, that isn’t a knee-jerk reaction to tonight either.

It just depends how long “just top four” is deemed good enough by the fanbase and by the club.
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This my view as well he will just keep doing a sort of ok job but while our rivals have elite managers like Klopp and Pep they will always have a huge advantage and win things we just fall short at
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comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)

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Lurker Henderson has been miles better than De Gea all season. Probably the biggest gap between 2 of our goalkeepers since Romero in 2014/15 and 2016/17 season when Romero was miles better than De Gea,

Kepa deservedly is ahead of De Gea and he is like one of the worst goalkeepers in the world but De Gea is actually a lot worse than Kepa for Spain.
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posted 8 minutes ago

Henderson still has a lot to prove Hafi but I guess we all suspect he may have been a good shout as a sub for the pens but that type of ruthless management will never be Ole
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posted 8 minutes ago

Hafi I usually rip into any comment you make if I see it but with this article I fully agree with you. Not once did I have an confidence Dr Gea would save a single pen.

I don't know who should be our number 1 going forward but tonight after about penalty 4 I felt De Gea will not be winning us the game.
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posted 7 minutes ago

Henderson has made too many mistakes, he's not miles better. He's just a different option that comes with his own issues

As I said, the Liverpool game showed Hendersons actual quality
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comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)

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I think Spainish people and stats made De Gea the worst keeper in Spains history. Noticed when De Gea came to Spain, they kept losing. Unai Simon is better as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54424608
I seen these type of stats for years now under De Gea. He rarely ever saves the 1st shot in any game hence why Romero and Henderson record for clean sheets is insane and there save percentage is miles better.

Look at De Gea world cup performance in 2018. You would think he was playing for Spain to lose or matchfixing.
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comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)

posted 3 minutes ago

Lurker Henderson has been like the best premierleague goalkeeper for 2 seasons in a row based on stats while De Gea has been near the worst especially this season his record on all competitions is like worse than Taibi level.
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Lurker against Liverpool Henderson still saved more shots than De Gea does in nearly most premierleague games under Ole. If De Gea played we would have conceded 6 like against Spurs as he rarely saves a shot.
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comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)

posted 18 seconds ago

Henderson may not be as good as DDG but he's the better keeper Vs pens by miles. He's saved 5 of the last 6 he's faced. DDG has saved only one since 2016.

Ole should have made the switch in ET
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What you on about? Henderson been the best goalkeeper in the league 2 seasons running? Its funny seeing the stats this season as De Gea is nearly the 30th best goalkeeper in the league and Henderson is 1st. Must be some record that.

posted on 27/5/21

Whoops copy and paste went wrong lol. Anyway I am done. I knew it straight away what was gonna happen.

I am fuming at Ole now. How can he do that again after last year? He didn't learn from his mistakes again.

I actually knew De Gea was gonna start tonight but after his Roma performance he actually had some credit to start but when it goes to penalties he has to put Henderson on.

Its like Solskjaer being told Mercedes is the fastest F1 team and Williams being the slowest F1 team. Which car do you want to drive to win the race to be champions. He would pick thw worst no matter what.

Mourinho would have sold De Gea a couple of years ago if he stayed. Remember Ole 18/19 end of season shocking form and guess what our shot conversion rate was nearly the 20th best in that time and save percentage. We were dominating most of the games by far. Even in the CL when we lost 4-0 to Barcelona over 2 legs we had most of the chances and barely conceded any.

De Gea did his best to make PSG go through in 2019 shrugging a cross away into dangerzone nearly every keeper would catch with there eyes closed.

Our cup goalkeeper Henderson who keeps clean sheets for fun is dropped. An older stat but still. To be fair if I was Henderson I would leave as Ole is a coward. 2 seasons now he has made a mess of the goalkeeping situation. Henderson should really have played both games against Roma and tonight.
https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/comparing-henderson-and-de-geas-records-for-man-utd-in-2020-21/

posted on 27/5/21

The Manchester United goalkeeper was caught out of position on the counter-attack as Luis Enrique's side lost for the first time since Croatia beat them 3-2 in November 2018.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54424608

One last thing, I hope Chelsea win the CL otherwise this season will be a nightmare. Goodnight.

posted on 27/5/21

His decision to sacrifice Romero (who won us our last two cups) a humiliating way shows how incompetent he is. His persistence with Rashford and Lindelof no matter what in embarrassing.

posted on 27/5/21

comment by Rooney-the-GOAT (U4135)
posted 28 seconds ago
His decision to sacrifice Romero (who won us our last two cups) a humiliating way shows how incompetent he is. His persistence with Rashford and Lindelof no matter what in embarrassing.
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Especially Lindelof. Rashford is frustrating and there's good and bad with him. And the bad is very very bad. But at least he does contribute "moments." Lindelof literally does nothing to justify his inclusion in the team. Ever

posted on 27/5/21

My biggest disappointment is that I wanted to be wrong about Ole

I wanted him to win the trophy to shut me and everyone else that thinks he is just a good manager, but also believes he is not the calibre of manager to match the ambition of utd.

Sadly, I was not wrong

posted on 27/5/21

comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 8 minutes ago
I’m not “Ole out”, but back-to-back CL qualifications via the league is clear progress from where were.

But under Ole, 2nd-4th and maybe a cup is as good as it will ever get imo, and I have never seen anything in his management of United to suggest we’ll achieve anything more than that under him, that isn’t a knee-jerk reaction to tonight either.

It just depends how long “just top four” is deemed good enough by the fanbase and by the club.
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This

A club of Utd's size should not accept just top 4 and the odd semi here and second to a minnow in a major final there.

Ole has done admirably well for someone lacking managerial experience at the top. He has always been a keen student of the game but there are things you either have or you don't, the top managers know to surround themselves with the best in class coaches, it's not about being with your mates, they have a particular style or philosophy and their players are well versed in that style take Pep and Klopp as good examples.

Other than creating a good spirit what is our our style? Is it purely based on counter attacks? Do we rely heavily on individual brilliance? Going unbeaten away in a league doesn't happen by accident so there is something in there, there are strong characters in the team but there is clear naivety in our play especially the way we defend, defend as a team or lackof. We are careless in possession. We also have too many players who are clearly not good enough for the highest level.

Constant chopping and changing leaves scars in the squad. Successive managers are burdened by the players of changed regimes, it leaves clear deficiencies and handicaps the new manager. So, do we give Ole another season, two maybe to rid the squad of failed transfers by previous managers or do we reboot again and start from square 1?

Many would say almost a decade on, umpteenth managerial changes aside, over 1bn wasted and the highest we've finished is 2nd and that's twice. Money well spent (not) ! Maybe we can't afford to reboot again especially with clowns running our club, maybe this is the best we'll experience until we become serious about football from top down.

It's depressing!

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