comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't see this happening now. Ali Gold has basically just said that unless Poch forces the move (as there's a stalemate unless he does) he'll publicly come out and deny all of it and remain at PSG. To me that sounds classic Poch. He just doesn't do cut throat. It's a little bit like Kane not officially requesting to leave us. The difference is that Poch has only been there 6 months. Why the sudden loyalty and honour? I know he played there but god, can he really work there again after all this. He can deny it all he wants but the hierarchy and the players will absolutely know he wants out. It's too toxic. I can't believe PSG are playing this game. I get it if it's a player but if your manager wants out, he should be bloody well kicked out. Have they no self-respect?
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Do you really think that Spurs are more attractive than PSG?
Next season Poch could be winning the Champions League with the resources that he has available to him.
If Poch doesn't make it back then we really should be turning our attention to Zinedine Zidane.
I actually could not think of anybody better than that genius to lead a rebuild. He'd inspire the players and improve them so much as well.
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Yes, I am sure Zidane would love to manage a team in the Conference Cup.
Sandy, is the above statement a suggestion you would be in favour of a move for Zidane, were he not bothered by our participation in a sub-standard Europa competition?
I don't mean to be rude but I genuinely question the football nous of any supporter that felt this would be a good idea. His only job in management is at Real Madrid where the dressing room, aka Ramos, runs the show. Zidane is the figurehead. Nothing more, nothing less.
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
I thought Poch was going to Real Madrid?
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Nah, he's going to Everton, more chance of being successful with a rebuild project there.
At least he'll get the financial backing he'd want & won't need to move to a temporary stadium while the new one is being built.
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More chance of success ??? at Everton ????
Jeez, they are even worse than Spurs when it comes to winning something. Last year was, apparently their best year in ages, they were really going places......they finished 10th ???
People keep talking about Spurs and trophies. Last Everton trophy was in 1995, some 13 years longer than Spurs.
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Thats some huge nibble there Sandy
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
I thought Poch was going to Real Madrid?
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Nah, he's going to Everton, more chance of being successful with a rebuild project there.
At least he'll get the financial backing he'd want & won't need to move to a temporary stadium while the new one is being built.
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More chance of success ??? at Everton ????
Jeez, they are even worse than Spurs when it comes to winning something. Last year was, apparently their best year in ages, they were really going places......they finished 10th ???
People keep talking about Spurs and trophies. Last Everton trophy was in 1995, some 13 years longer than Spurs.
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Thats some huge nibble there Sandy
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It's amazing how people forget how dominant they were in the mid-eighties. I have no idea why Spurs are considered to be a bigger club, really. Were it not for Liverpool, they'd have won way more in the 80s than us in the 60s. It is odd that you have the top teams, then spurs in a group of their own, and then Everton one rung down from that. There's no reason for it, other than finances but even that has changed in recent years. We've no right to consider ourselves bigger.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 34 minutes ago
Sandy, is the above statement a suggestion you would be in favour of a move for Zidane, were he not bothered by our participation in a sub-standard Europa competition?
I don't mean to be rude but I genuinely question the football nous of any supporter that felt this would be a good idea. His only job in management is at Real Madrid where the dressing room, aka Ramos, runs the show. Zidane is the figurehead. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Zidane is a football genius...
He's one of the most successful managers in recent history.
It is funny but I guess it is true, Managers get the blame when things go wrong and the players get praise when things go right.
I have to agree with Sandy though, he is probably out of our league.
Zidane's record in the last 5 years below. And apparently he is a figure head... HILARIOUS!!!
Champions League 🏆🏆🏆
La Liga 🏆🏆
Supercopa 🏆🏆
Super Cup 🏆🏆
Club World Cup 🏆🏆
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
Morespurs
In response to your update...
Update: Club pinned tweet @SpursOfficial, has been taken down, usually a sign a new tweet is about to be put up!!!
Do yourself a favour. Don't listen to 'The Source' aka @SecretPrem on Twitter. He's an absolute charlatan and makes huge promises that never come to fruition as he's just hungry for followers. Don't get your hopes up for some big announcement at 7pm tonight.
Think about it. There have been no leaks from the club. Journos and ITKs have conflicting information yet somehow this anonymous bloke not only knows that Poch will be announced today, he knows it'll be at 7pm tonight. No chance.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by hounslows-finest (U6180)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 13 minutes ago
Just make it happen ffs!
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I ain’t renewed my season ticket yet
Make it happen Daniel and I’ll be on the phone quicker than aurier giving away a silly penalty
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There'll be somebody to take your place, don't think Levy is worried.
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And that right there is the problem with Tottenham Hotspur fc and Enic.
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Sorry that would be the attitude of any club.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
I thought Poch was going to Real Madrid?
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Nah, he's going to Everton, more chance of being successful with a rebuild project there.
At least he'll get the financial backing he'd want & won't need to move to a temporary stadium while the new one is being built.
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More chance of success ??? at Everton ????
Jeez, they are even worse than Spurs when it comes to winning something. Last year was, apparently their best year in ages, they were really going places......they finished 10th ???
People keep talking about Spurs and trophies. Last Everton trophy was in 1995, some 13 years longer than Spurs.
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Thats some huge nibble there Sandy
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It's amazing how people forget how dominant they were in the mid-eighties. I have no idea why Spurs are considered to be a bigger club, really. Were it not for Liverpool, they'd have won way more in the 80s than us in the 60s. It is odd that you have the top teams, then spurs in a group of their own, and then Everton one rung down from that. There's no reason for it, other than finances but even that has changed in recent years. We've no right to consider ourselves bigger.
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I dont think Everton fans exist beyond a bus ride from Goodison park. Everton are a regional big club. Beyond that no one really rates them and if you went abroad and asked someone to name 2 Premier League teams in Liverpool, they'd struggle to get the 2nd.
While their historic success is pretty good, their current anonymity is a failure of their board to raise the profile of the club....one of the few things that Levy has achieved in his time at Spurs.
Zidane would not have worked with so many losers in his life if he came to Spurs.
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
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Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
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posted 9 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
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Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
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Would you care to explain? I definitely think that we failed Jose more than he failed us that's for sure. Or do you still think that the issues at Spurs can be solved by just another manager change?
You don't seem to explain or elaborate on any of your statements. I think it is because you don't make any of your own opinions, and just follow the "group think". If that is the case then we should just end the discussion here as I might as well just read a sky sports news or BBC sport article written by an intern.
comment by Troy'sTanguyTanganga (U6468)
posted 18 minutes ago
Zidane would not have worked with so many losers in his life if he came to Spurs.
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Well my expectation is that the squad would need to be revamped as well.
No matter who the manager will be they will need to gut the squad.
How did we fail Jose.....not spending £200m in a pandemic? He got out performed by Moyes and Ole.
"Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
so true
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posted 42 seconds ago
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posted 9 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
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Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
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Would you care to explain? I definitely think that we failed Jose more than he failed us that's for sure. Or do you still think that the issues at Spurs can be solved by just another manager change?
You don't seem to explain or elaborate on any of your statements. I think it is because you don't make any of your own opinions, and just follow the "group think". If that is the case then we should just end the discussion here as I might as well just read a sky sports news or BBC sport article written by an intern.
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It's largely because I'm busy at work so didn't have the time to respond properly. Trawl through my old posts if you think I don't elaborate enough or borrow opinions. If anything I over-explain. The reason I didn't regarding Zidane is because I do think the herd opinion is relevant for this one issue. If, for instance, everyone at work says "so and so is a diiiickkk" it stands to reason that the swell of opinion is probably not wrong. It's the balance of probability. Very rarely is that man not a diiiickkk. I think I saw on QI once that if enough people play "guess the amount of sweets in the jar" game, the average number of those statistics tends to be bang on the money. The aggregation provides accurate analysis. That's why when you couple the availability of Zidane and the lack of desire from fans for him to come here, you have to ask yourself why. It's likely because he might, just might, not have the ability to oversee a huge rebuild at a club like Spurs. However well he's done with Madrid, the weight of numbers against his appointment would suggest he's most definitely not right for Spurs.
Now, onto Jose. Jose inherited a squad that in the previous season finished top 4 and a CL final. He said he was happy with the squad when he first joined and didn't really need much in the way of recruitment. Levy backed him anyway and spend a lot of money in his first summer with us. We were much stronger than we had been before. What happened. We started playing longer balls, the patterns of play disappeared, the players looking unsure of themselves, confused by conservative tactical instructions and results dipped hugely. He perpetually deflected blame onto the players in a vain attempt to protect his own reputation which only served to dent the confidence of the players further. Form nosedived and we ended up practically out of Europe. All within 18 months.
In short, he inherited a tight knit happy group and left a divided dressing room depleted of self-esteem.
To think WE failed HIM is frankly astonishing.
There you go. Thorough enough for you?
Tottenham have contacted Antonio Conte as candidate for Spurs job - not done but talks ongoing about potential project, contract and salary. ⚪️ #Spurs #THFC
Conte is one of the options in #THFC list - as PSG are still on the same position about Pochettino. @SkySport @aalciato
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
How did we fail Jose.....not spending £200m in a pandemic? He got out performed by Moyes and Ole.
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I don't think we got him the players that he needed. I look back at us missing out on Skrinar last summer and then buying players that he obviously didn't fancy like Bale for example. Our main signing over the summer barely kicked a ball under Jose.
And to top it off we sacked him 1 week before a cup final... insane.
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
How did we fail Jose.....not spending £200m in a pandemic? He got out performed by Moyes and Ole.
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I don't think we got him the players that he needed. I look back at us missing out on Skrinar last summer and then buying players that he obviously didn't fancy like Bale for example. Our main signing over the summer barely kicked a ball under Jose.
And to top it off we sacked him 1 week before a cup final... insane.
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I do think it odd the timing of the sacking as the man has history of winning finals but he should have been sacked after the Europa game
His ‘performance’ as manager of tottenham was nothing short of a disgrace especially for the money we were suppose to be paying him
He didn’t deserve the chance to manage us in a final
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posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
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Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
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Would you care to explain? I definitely think that we failed Jose more than he failed us that's for sure. Or do you still think that the issues at Spurs can be solved by just another manager change?
You don't seem to explain or elaborate on any of your statements. I think it is because you don't make any of your own opinions, and just follow the "group think". If that is the case then we should just end the discussion here as I might as well just read a sky sports news or BBC sport article written by an intern.
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It's largely because I'm busy at work so didn't have the time to respond properly. Trawl through my old posts if you think I don't elaborate enough or borrow opinions. If anything I over-explain. The reason I didn't regarding Zidane is because I do think the herd opinion is relevant for this one issue. If, for instance, everyone at work says "so and so is a diiiickkk" it stands to reason that the swell of opinion is probably not wrong. It's the balance of probability. Very rarely is that man not a diiiickkk. I think I saw on QI once that if enough people play "guess the amount of sweets in the jar" game, the average number of those statistics tends to be bang on the money. The aggregation provides accurate analysis. That's why when you couple the availability of Zidane and the lack of desire from fans for him to come here, you have to ask yourself why. It's likely because he might, just might, not have the ability to oversee a huge rebuild at a club like Spurs. However well he's done with Madrid, the weight of numbers against his appointment would suggest he's most definitely not right for Spurs.
Now, onto Jose. Jose inherited a squad that in the previous season finished top 4 and a CL final. He said he was happy with the squad when he first joined and didn't really need much in the way of recruitment. Levy backed him anyway and spend a lot of money in his first summer with us. We were much stronger than we had been before. What happened. We started playing longer balls, the patterns of play disappeared, the players looking unsure of themselves, confused by conservative tactical instructions and results dipped hugely. He perpetually deflected blame onto the players in a vain attempt to protect his own reputation which only served to dent the confidence of the players further. Form nosedived and we ended up practically out of Europe. All within 18 months.
In short, he inherited a tight knit happy group and left a divided dressing room depleted of self-esteem.
To think WE failed HIM is frankly astonishing.
There you go. Thorough enough for you?
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I look at it differently and when I heard Lloris speak after that loss after our Europa league exit I think that is shows that the problem was never with the manager. Furthermore, hearing that Kane was also upset that we lost Jose supports that they also don't see it as and issue with the manager. The truth is that the club and the players failed Jose just like they failed Poch when they sacked him. If anything, the Poch sacking was worse.
Jose actually started to turn the corner with us in the first half of the season which is something people forget. We were unlucky to lose that game vs Liverpool in the last minute and things started to unravel from there. I genuinely believe if we had given him the centreback he wanted last summer then we would have had a much better end to the season. Jose always needed a firm defence to build from and we have not really had that. He was starting to address that with the introduction of Hojbjerg but we never had enough of these characters. This is why I think that we failed him, we should have backed him with either more time or money... especially after getting us to the final.
TBH, this is none of my business but I think that you should revise your outlook on making decisions based on the crowd otherwise you'll end up in an echo chamber just parroting what people around you think and say. The group think was that the world was the centre of the universe at one point.
I personally take an issue based on its merit and won't be swayed by other's opinions unless they can give me a good reason to change mine. And I must say, to call Zidane a "figure head" after what he achieved at Madrid is really disrespectful to an all time great of the game. He has done more there than Pep has done in his time at Bayern, or Man City yet we would not question what Pep has done.
"TBH, this is none of my business but I think that you should revise your outlook on making decisions based on the crowd otherwise you'll end up in an echo chamber just parroting what people around you think and say. The group think was that the world was the centre of the universe at one point."
Oh, bore off mate! Did you not read a thing I said? I've only used that model based on the Zidane link as it was relevant. Check my previous posts. I'm not even remotely making decisions based on the crowd.
Your penchant for cherry picking sentences out of context to support your narrative is reflected in your inability to spot the flaws in Jose.
Shall we ask the 'crowd' to see what they think?
I'm done.
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posted on 2/6/21
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
I can't see this happening now. Ali Gold has basically just said that unless Poch forces the move (as there's a stalemate unless he does) he'll publicly come out and deny all of it and remain at PSG. To me that sounds classic Poch. He just doesn't do cut throat. It's a little bit like Kane not officially requesting to leave us. The difference is that Poch has only been there 6 months. Why the sudden loyalty and honour? I know he played there but god, can he really work there again after all this. He can deny it all he wants but the hierarchy and the players will absolutely know he wants out. It's too toxic. I can't believe PSG are playing this game. I get it if it's a player but if your manager wants out, he should be bloody well kicked out. Have they no self-respect?
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Do you really think that Spurs are more attractive than PSG?
Next season Poch could be winning the Champions League with the resources that he has available to him.
If Poch doesn't make it back then we really should be turning our attention to Zinedine Zidane.
I actually could not think of anybody better than that genius to lead a rebuild. He'd inspire the players and improve them so much as well.
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Yes, I am sure Zidane would love to manage a team in the Conference Cup.
posted on 2/6/21
Sandy, is the above statement a suggestion you would be in favour of a move for Zidane, were he not bothered by our participation in a sub-standard Europa competition?
I don't mean to be rude but I genuinely question the football nous of any supporter that felt this would be a good idea. His only job in management is at Real Madrid where the dressing room, aka Ramos, runs the show. Zidane is the figurehead. Nothing more, nothing less.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
I thought Poch was going to Real Madrid?
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Nah, he's going to Everton, more chance of being successful with a rebuild project there.
At least he'll get the financial backing he'd want & won't need to move to a temporary stadium while the new one is being built.
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More chance of success ??? at Everton ????
Jeez, they are even worse than Spurs when it comes to winning something. Last year was, apparently their best year in ages, they were really going places......they finished 10th ???
People keep talking about Spurs and trophies. Last Everton trophy was in 1995, some 13 years longer than Spurs.
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Thats some huge nibble there Sandy
posted on 2/6/21
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
I thought Poch was going to Real Madrid?
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Nah, he's going to Everton, more chance of being successful with a rebuild project there.
At least he'll get the financial backing he'd want & won't need to move to a temporary stadium while the new one is being built.
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More chance of success ??? at Everton ????
Jeez, they are even worse than Spurs when it comes to winning something. Last year was, apparently their best year in ages, they were really going places......they finished 10th ???
People keep talking about Spurs and trophies. Last Everton trophy was in 1995, some 13 years longer than Spurs.
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Thats some huge nibble there Sandy
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It's amazing how people forget how dominant they were in the mid-eighties. I have no idea why Spurs are considered to be a bigger club, really. Were it not for Liverpool, they'd have won way more in the 80s than us in the 60s. It is odd that you have the top teams, then spurs in a group of their own, and then Everton one rung down from that. There's no reason for it, other than finances but even that has changed in recent years. We've no right to consider ourselves bigger.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 34 minutes ago
Sandy, is the above statement a suggestion you would be in favour of a move for Zidane, were he not bothered by our participation in a sub-standard Europa competition?
I don't mean to be rude but I genuinely question the football nous of any supporter that felt this would be a good idea. His only job in management is at Real Madrid where the dressing room, aka Ramos, runs the show. Zidane is the figurehead. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Zidane is a football genius...
He's one of the most successful managers in recent history.
It is funny but I guess it is true, Managers get the blame when things go wrong and the players get praise when things go right.
I have to agree with Sandy though, he is probably out of our league.
posted on 2/6/21
Zidane's record in the last 5 years below. And apparently he is a figure head... HILARIOUS!!!
Champions League 🏆🏆🏆
La Liga 🏆🏆
Supercopa 🏆🏆
Super Cup 🏆🏆
Club World Cup 🏆🏆
posted on 2/6/21
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
posted on 2/6/21
Morespurs
In response to your update...
Update: Club pinned tweet @SpursOfficial, has been taken down, usually a sign a new tweet is about to be put up!!!
Do yourself a favour. Don't listen to 'The Source' aka @SecretPrem on Twitter. He's an absolute charlatan and makes huge promises that never come to fruition as he's just hungry for followers. Don't get your hopes up for some big announcement at 7pm tonight.
Think about it. There have been no leaks from the club. Journos and ITKs have conflicting information yet somehow this anonymous bloke not only knows that Poch will be announced today, he knows it'll be at 7pm tonight. No chance.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
posted on 2/6/21
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
posted on 2/6/21
comment by Citizen Smeg. Viva la revolution (U6574)
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comment by add912 (U9189)
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comment by hounslows-finest (U6180)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 13 minutes ago
Just make it happen ffs!
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I ain’t renewed my season ticket yet
Make it happen Daniel and I’ll be on the phone quicker than aurier giving away a silly penalty
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There'll be somebody to take your place, don't think Levy is worried.
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And that right there is the problem with Tottenham Hotspur fc and Enic.
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Sorry that would be the attitude of any club.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by פlǝuƃɥᴉs (U19365)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 11 minutes ago
I thought Poch was going to Real Madrid?
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Nah, he's going to Everton, more chance of being successful with a rebuild project there.
At least he'll get the financial backing he'd want & won't need to move to a temporary stadium while the new one is being built.
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More chance of success ??? at Everton ????
Jeez, they are even worse than Spurs when it comes to winning something. Last year was, apparently their best year in ages, they were really going places......they finished 10th ???
People keep talking about Spurs and trophies. Last Everton trophy was in 1995, some 13 years longer than Spurs.
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Thats some huge nibble there Sandy
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It's amazing how people forget how dominant they were in the mid-eighties. I have no idea why Spurs are considered to be a bigger club, really. Were it not for Liverpool, they'd have won way more in the 80s than us in the 60s. It is odd that you have the top teams, then spurs in a group of their own, and then Everton one rung down from that. There's no reason for it, other than finances but even that has changed in recent years. We've no right to consider ourselves bigger.
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I dont think Everton fans exist beyond a bus ride from Goodison park. Everton are a regional big club. Beyond that no one really rates them and if you went abroad and asked someone to name 2 Premier League teams in Liverpool, they'd struggle to get the 2nd.
While their historic success is pretty good, their current anonymity is a failure of their board to raise the profile of the club....one of the few things that Levy has achieved in his time at Spurs.
posted on 2/6/21
Zidane would not have worked with so many losers in his life if he came to Spurs.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
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Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
posted on 2/6/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
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Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
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Would you care to explain? I definitely think that we failed Jose more than he failed us that's for sure. Or do you still think that the issues at Spurs can be solved by just another manager change?
You don't seem to explain or elaborate on any of your statements. I think it is because you don't make any of your own opinions, and just follow the "group think". If that is the case then we should just end the discussion here as I might as well just read a sky sports news or BBC sport article written by an intern.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by Troy'sTanguyTanganga (U6468)
posted 18 minutes ago
Zidane would not have worked with so many losers in his life if he came to Spurs.
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Well my expectation is that the squad would need to be revamped as well.
No matter who the manager will be they will need to gut the squad.
posted on 2/6/21
How did we fail Jose.....not spending £200m in a pandemic? He got out performed by Moyes and Ole.
posted on 2/6/21
"Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
so true
posted on 2/6/21
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 42 seconds ago
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comment by add912 (U9189)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 seconds ago
I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
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Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
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Would you care to explain? I definitely think that we failed Jose more than he failed us that's for sure. Or do you still think that the issues at Spurs can be solved by just another manager change?
You don't seem to explain or elaborate on any of your statements. I think it is because you don't make any of your own opinions, and just follow the "group think". If that is the case then we should just end the discussion here as I might as well just read a sky sports news or BBC sport article written by an intern.
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It's largely because I'm busy at work so didn't have the time to respond properly. Trawl through my old posts if you think I don't elaborate enough or borrow opinions. If anything I over-explain. The reason I didn't regarding Zidane is because I do think the herd opinion is relevant for this one issue. If, for instance, everyone at work says "so and so is a diiiickkk" it stands to reason that the swell of opinion is probably not wrong. It's the balance of probability. Very rarely is that man not a diiiickkk. I think I saw on QI once that if enough people play "guess the amount of sweets in the jar" game, the average number of those statistics tends to be bang on the money. The aggregation provides accurate analysis. That's why when you couple the availability of Zidane and the lack of desire from fans for him to come here, you have to ask yourself why. It's likely because he might, just might, not have the ability to oversee a huge rebuild at a club like Spurs. However well he's done with Madrid, the weight of numbers against his appointment would suggest he's most definitely not right for Spurs.
Now, onto Jose. Jose inherited a squad that in the previous season finished top 4 and a CL final. He said he was happy with the squad when he first joined and didn't really need much in the way of recruitment. Levy backed him anyway and spend a lot of money in his first summer with us. We were much stronger than we had been before. What happened. We started playing longer balls, the patterns of play disappeared, the players looking unsure of themselves, confused by conservative tactical instructions and results dipped hugely. He perpetually deflected blame onto the players in a vain attempt to protect his own reputation which only served to dent the confidence of the players further. Form nosedived and we ended up practically out of Europe. All within 18 months.
In short, he inherited a tight knit happy group and left a divided dressing room depleted of self-esteem.
To think WE failed HIM is frankly astonishing.
There you go. Thorough enough for you?
posted on 2/6/21
Tottenham have contacted Antonio Conte as candidate for Spurs job - not done but talks ongoing about potential project, contract and salary. ⚪️ #Spurs #THFC
Conte is one of the options in #THFC list - as PSG are still on the same position about Pochettino. @SkySport @aalciato
Fabrizio Romano
posted on 2/6/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
How did we fail Jose.....not spending £200m in a pandemic? He got out performed by Moyes and Ole.
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I don't think we got him the players that he needed. I look back at us missing out on Skrinar last summer and then buying players that he obviously didn't fancy like Bale for example. Our main signing over the summer barely kicked a ball under Jose.
And to top it off we sacked him 1 week before a cup final... insane.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
How did we fail Jose.....not spending £200m in a pandemic? He got out performed by Moyes and Ole.
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I don't think we got him the players that he needed. I look back at us missing out on Skrinar last summer and then buying players that he obviously didn't fancy like Bale for example. Our main signing over the summer barely kicked a ball under Jose.
And to top it off we sacked him 1 week before a cup final... insane.
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I do think it odd the timing of the sacking as the man has history of winning finals but he should have been sacked after the Europa game
His ‘performance’ as manager of tottenham was nothing short of a disgrace especially for the money we were suppose to be paying him
He didn’t deserve the chance to manage us in a final
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I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
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Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
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Would you care to explain? I definitely think that we failed Jose more than he failed us that's for sure. Or do you still think that the issues at Spurs can be solved by just another manager change?
You don't seem to explain or elaborate on any of your statements. I think it is because you don't make any of your own opinions, and just follow the "group think". If that is the case then we should just end the discussion here as I might as well just read a sky sports news or BBC sport article written by an intern.
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It's largely because I'm busy at work so didn't have the time to respond properly. Trawl through my old posts if you think I don't elaborate enough or borrow opinions. If anything I over-explain. The reason I didn't regarding Zidane is because I do think the herd opinion is relevant for this one issue. If, for instance, everyone at work says "so and so is a diiiickkk" it stands to reason that the swell of opinion is probably not wrong. It's the balance of probability. Very rarely is that man not a diiiickkk. I think I saw on QI once that if enough people play "guess the amount of sweets in the jar" game, the average number of those statistics tends to be bang on the money. The aggregation provides accurate analysis. That's why when you couple the availability of Zidane and the lack of desire from fans for him to come here, you have to ask yourself why. It's likely because he might, just might, not have the ability to oversee a huge rebuild at a club like Spurs. However well he's done with Madrid, the weight of numbers against his appointment would suggest he's most definitely not right for Spurs.
Now, onto Jose. Jose inherited a squad that in the previous season finished top 4 and a CL final. He said he was happy with the squad when he first joined and didn't really need much in the way of recruitment. Levy backed him anyway and spend a lot of money in his first summer with us. We were much stronger than we had been before. What happened. We started playing longer balls, the patterns of play disappeared, the players looking unsure of themselves, confused by conservative tactical instructions and results dipped hugely. He perpetually deflected blame onto the players in a vain attempt to protect his own reputation which only served to dent the confidence of the players further. Form nosedived and we ended up practically out of Europe. All within 18 months.
In short, he inherited a tight knit happy group and left a divided dressing room depleted of self-esteem.
To think WE failed HIM is frankly astonishing.
There you go. Thorough enough for you?
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I look at it differently and when I heard Lloris speak after that loss after our Europa league exit I think that is shows that the problem was never with the manager. Furthermore, hearing that Kane was also upset that we lost Jose supports that they also don't see it as and issue with the manager. The truth is that the club and the players failed Jose just like they failed Poch when they sacked him. If anything, the Poch sacking was worse.
Jose actually started to turn the corner with us in the first half of the season which is something people forget. We were unlucky to lose that game vs Liverpool in the last minute and things started to unravel from there. I genuinely believe if we had given him the centreback he wanted last summer then we would have had a much better end to the season. Jose always needed a firm defence to build from and we have not really had that. He was starting to address that with the introduction of Hojbjerg but we never had enough of these characters. This is why I think that we failed him, we should have backed him with either more time or money... especially after getting us to the final.
TBH, this is none of my business but I think that you should revise your outlook on making decisions based on the crowd otherwise you'll end up in an echo chamber just parroting what people around you think and say. The group think was that the world was the centre of the universe at one point.
I personally take an issue based on its merit and won't be swayed by other's opinions unless they can give me a good reason to change mine. And I must say, to call Zidane a "figure head" after what he achieved at Madrid is really disrespectful to an all time great of the game. He has done more there than Pep has done in his time at Bayern, or Man City yet we would not question what Pep has done.
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"TBH, this is none of my business but I think that you should revise your outlook on making decisions based on the crowd otherwise you'll end up in an echo chamber just parroting what people around you think and say. The group think was that the world was the centre of the universe at one point."
Oh, bore off mate! Did you not read a thing I said? I've only used that model based on the Zidane link as it was relevant. Check my previous posts. I'm not even remotely making decisions based on the crowd.
Your penchant for cherry picking sentences out of context to support your narrative is reflected in your inability to spot the flaws in Jose.
Shall we ask the 'crowd' to see what they think?
I'm done.
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