comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
"TBH, this is none of my business but I think that you should revise your outlook on making decisions based on the crowd otherwise you'll end up in an echo chamber just parroting what people around you think and say. The group think was that the world was the centre of the universe at one point."
Oh, bore off mate! Did you not read a thing I said? I've only used that model based on the Zidane link as it was relevant. Check my previous posts. I'm not even remotely making decisions based on the crowd.
Your penchant for cherry picking sentences out of context to support your narrative is reflected in your inability to spot the flaws in Jose.
Shall we ask the 'crowd' to see what they think?
I'm done.
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I read it, but what I am saying is that it is not relevant. Nor should it ever be.
Every manager has flaws, and I didn't say that he was flawless. I do however think that the club and the players played a bigger part in our season being a mess than Jose.
You can ask the "crowd" sure... but the fact that we are seeing protests and "ENIC out" signs everywhere even after we sacked Jose might show that the majority of fans also agree with me and that the problem is at the top and was never with Jose.
Cool, I'm done too.
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comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 13 minutes ago
Just make it happen ffs!
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I ain’t renewed my season ticket yet
Make it happen Daniel and I’ll be on the phone quicker than aurier giving away a silly penalty
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Are you going to? I think I will begrudgingly do it today. There won't be a manager in place before the deadline.
Levy has played a blinder, string us along with poch rumours then sign Eddie Howe on friday after the deadline.
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Yes I’ll probably renew before the deadline tomorrow
I’m not happy most of our home games will be on a Sunday now we qualified for the europa league lite so will sell my ticket fir the games I won’t go to.
Keep the faith gentlemen
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I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
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Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
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Would you care to explain? I definitely think that we failed Jose more than he failed us that's for sure. Or do you still think that the issues at Spurs can be solved by just another manager change?
You don't seem to explain or elaborate on any of your statements. I think it is because you don't make any of your own opinions, and just follow the "group think". If that is the case then we should just end the discussion here as I might as well just read a sky sports news or BBC sport article written by an intern.
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It's largely because I'm busy at work so didn't have the time to respond properly. Trawl through my old posts if you think I don't elaborate enough or borrow opinions. If anything I over-explain. The reason I didn't regarding Zidane is because I do think the herd opinion is relevant for this one issue. If, for instance, everyone at work says "so and so is a diiiickkk" it stands to reason that the swell of opinion is probably not wrong. It's the balance of probability. Very rarely is that man not a diiiickkk. I think I saw on QI once that if enough people play "guess the amount of sweets in the jar" game, the average number of those statistics tends to be bang on the money. The aggregation provides accurate analysis. That's why when you couple the availability of Zidane and the lack of desire from fans for him to come here, you have to ask yourself why. It's likely because he might, just might, not have the ability to oversee a huge rebuild at a club like Spurs. However well he's done with Madrid, the weight of numbers against his appointment would suggest he's most definitely not right for Spurs.
Now, onto Jose. Jose inherited a squad that in the previous season finished top 4 and a CL final. He said he was happy with the squad when he first joined and didn't really need much in the way of recruitment. Levy backed him anyway and spend a lot of money in his first summer with us. We were much stronger than we had been before. What happened. We started playing longer balls, the patterns of play disappeared, the players looking unsure of themselves, confused by conservative tactical instructions and results dipped hugely. He perpetually deflected blame onto the players in a vain attempt to protect his own reputation which only served to dent the confidence of the players further. Form nosedived and we ended up practically out of Europe. All within 18 months.
In short, he inherited a tight knit happy group and left a divided dressing room depleted of self-esteem.
To think WE failed HIM is frankly astonishing.
There you go. Thorough enough for you?
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I look at it differently and when I heard Lloris speak after that loss after our Europa league exit I think that is shows that the problem was never with the manager. Furthermore, hearing that Kane was also upset that we lost Jose supports that they also don't see it as and issue with the manager. The truth is that the club and the players failed Jose just like they failed Poch when they sacked him. If anything, the Poch sacking was worse.
Jose actually started to turn the corner with us in the first half of the season which is something people forget. We were unlucky to lose that game vs Liverpool in the last minute and things started to unravel from there. I genuinely believe if we had given him the centreback he wanted last summer then we would have had a much better end to the season. Jose always needed a firm defence to build from and we have not really had that. He was starting to address that with the introduction of Hojbjerg but we never had enough of these characters. This is why I think that we failed him, we should have backed him with either more time or money... especially after getting us to the final.
TBH, this is none of my business but I think that you should revise your outlook on making decisions based on the crowd otherwise you'll end up in an echo chamber just parroting what people around you think and say. The group think was that the world was the centre of the universe at one point.
I personally take an issue based on its merit and won't be swayed by other's opinions unless they can give me a good reason to change mine. And I must say, to call Zidane a "figure head" after what he achieved at Madrid is really disrespectful to an all time great of the game. He has done more there than Pep has done in his time at Bayern, or Man City yet we would not question what Pep has done.
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posted on 2/6/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
"TBH, this is none of my business but I think that you should revise your outlook on making decisions based on the crowd otherwise you'll end up in an echo chamber just parroting what people around you think and say. The group think was that the world was the centre of the universe at one point."
Oh, bore off mate! Did you not read a thing I said? I've only used that model based on the Zidane link as it was relevant. Check my previous posts. I'm not even remotely making decisions based on the crowd.
Your penchant for cherry picking sentences out of context to support your narrative is reflected in your inability to spot the flaws in Jose.
Shall we ask the 'crowd' to see what they think?
I'm done.
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I read it, but what I am saying is that it is not relevant. Nor should it ever be.
Every manager has flaws, and I didn't say that he was flawless. I do however think that the club and the players played a bigger part in our season being a mess than Jose.
You can ask the "crowd" sure... but the fact that we are seeing protests and "ENIC out" signs everywhere even after we sacked Jose might show that the majority of fans also agree with me and that the problem is at the top and was never with Jose.
Cool, I'm done too.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 13 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by hounslows-finest (U6180)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 13 minutes ago
Just make it happen ffs!
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I ain’t renewed my season ticket yet
Make it happen Daniel and I’ll be on the phone quicker than aurier giving away a silly penalty
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Are you going to? I think I will begrudgingly do it today. There won't be a manager in place before the deadline.
Levy has played a blinder, string us along with poch rumours then sign Eddie Howe on friday after the deadline.
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Yes I’ll probably renew before the deadline tomorrow
I’m not happy most of our home games will be on a Sunday now we qualified for the europa league lite so will sell my ticket fir the games I won’t go to.
Keep the faith gentlemen
posted on 3/6/21
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I'm still not going to respond to this. All I will say is that the fact that he's not even mentioned as an option even though he's out of a job should tell you something.
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Well you kinda did already. Calling him a "figurehead" and dismissing him, not because he was not an option but because you don't think he is a good enough manager.
You can't see that all of these "journalists" are just recycling snipets of news to farm more clicks from the desperate fans because there is nothing else to report on.
Please enlighten me? What should it tell me?
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I'm basing my opinion on what I suppose you could call 'focus group information'. I've seen several polls over the last few weeks and the general feedback from most spurs fans is that there's a direct split between Poch and Conte. Then it's Ten Hag and then Potter. The amount of Spurs fans even considering the idea of Zidane is fractional. I don't think you can dismiss that kind of information. Why, with the list of honours you've provided that he's won, is he not top of the list of managers Spurs fans want? It's because their hunch is maybe that he's not entirely running the show there. I share their reservations.
He's clearly got some tactical nouse. He set his teams up well to be uncharacteristically conservative in some CL games so he's clearly capable but I think he needs to be tested elsewhere before you just look at his list of honours and be seduced by that alone.
You have to remember that they are Real Madrid, the most successful club side in the history of the game so winning is in their DNA.
Also, on what level has he shown any pedigree for a rebuild?
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Basically all I read there is that you make your opinion based on the herd mentality/group think of other. Which is fair enough, most people do. Most football fans are wrong most of the time though so I would preface with that but if that is how you make decisions that is fair enough...
I personally make my opinion on what I have seen. When he was the France Captain he carried that team as a true leader. He has won everything in the game as both a player and a Manager and knows what it takes to be the best. How he managed to create a dynasty at Real Madrid in his first job is remarkable. So much so that they begged for him to return after leaving and he went on to win the league for them.
What I said was that we should be looking to target him if Poch was not available. This would be an incredible opportunity to try and get somebody like Zidane.
But I think Sandy is right. Why would he want to come to us? Conte as well? Especially how we failed Jose Mourinho. Maybe Potter or Martinez is more our level.
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Sorry, you lost all credibility with "we failed Jose"
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Would you care to explain? I definitely think that we failed Jose more than he failed us that's for sure. Or do you still think that the issues at Spurs can be solved by just another manager change?
You don't seem to explain or elaborate on any of your statements. I think it is because you don't make any of your own opinions, and just follow the "group think". If that is the case then we should just end the discussion here as I might as well just read a sky sports news or BBC sport article written by an intern.
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It's largely because I'm busy at work so didn't have the time to respond properly. Trawl through my old posts if you think I don't elaborate enough or borrow opinions. If anything I over-explain. The reason I didn't regarding Zidane is because I do think the herd opinion is relevant for this one issue. If, for instance, everyone at work says "so and so is a diiiickkk" it stands to reason that the swell of opinion is probably not wrong. It's the balance of probability. Very rarely is that man not a diiiickkk. I think I saw on QI once that if enough people play "guess the amount of sweets in the jar" game, the average number of those statistics tends to be bang on the money. The aggregation provides accurate analysis. That's why when you couple the availability of Zidane and the lack of desire from fans for him to come here, you have to ask yourself why. It's likely because he might, just might, not have the ability to oversee a huge rebuild at a club like Spurs. However well he's done with Madrid, the weight of numbers against his appointment would suggest he's most definitely not right for Spurs.
Now, onto Jose. Jose inherited a squad that in the previous season finished top 4 and a CL final. He said he was happy with the squad when he first joined and didn't really need much in the way of recruitment. Levy backed him anyway and spend a lot of money in his first summer with us. We were much stronger than we had been before. What happened. We started playing longer balls, the patterns of play disappeared, the players looking unsure of themselves, confused by conservative tactical instructions and results dipped hugely. He perpetually deflected blame onto the players in a vain attempt to protect his own reputation which only served to dent the confidence of the players further. Form nosedived and we ended up practically out of Europe. All within 18 months.
In short, he inherited a tight knit happy group and left a divided dressing room depleted of self-esteem.
To think WE failed HIM is frankly astonishing.
There you go. Thorough enough for you?
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I look at it differently and when I heard Lloris speak after that loss after our Europa league exit I think that is shows that the problem was never with the manager. Furthermore, hearing that Kane was also upset that we lost Jose supports that they also don't see it as and issue with the manager. The truth is that the club and the players failed Jose just like they failed Poch when they sacked him. If anything, the Poch sacking was worse.
Jose actually started to turn the corner with us in the first half of the season which is something people forget. We were unlucky to lose that game vs Liverpool in the last minute and things started to unravel from there. I genuinely believe if we had given him the centreback he wanted last summer then we would have had a much better end to the season. Jose always needed a firm defence to build from and we have not really had that. He was starting to address that with the introduction of Hojbjerg but we never had enough of these characters. This is why I think that we failed him, we should have backed him with either more time or money... especially after getting us to the final.
TBH, this is none of my business but I think that you should revise your outlook on making decisions based on the crowd otherwise you'll end up in an echo chamber just parroting what people around you think and say. The group think was that the world was the centre of the universe at one point.
I personally take an issue based on its merit and won't be swayed by other's opinions unless they can give me a good reason to change mine. And I must say, to call Zidane a "figure head" after what he achieved at Madrid is really disrespectful to an all time great of the game. He has done more there than Pep has done in his time at Bayern, or Man City yet we would not question what Pep has done.
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